Hawk: Natal "not accurate enough"

Tony Hawk doesn't think too much of the new Xbox 360 motion-sensing camera and will happily stick to his plastic skateboard thank you very much.

"We actually tried to get [Tony Hawk: Ride] running with a camera, but it wasn't accurate enough, plus you can't really do ollies, grabs and flips when you're just standing on nothing."

[green]

I think it was quite stupid of Microsoft to premier Tony Hawk ride at their conference.I mean there is Tony Hawk showcasing his new peripheral which he said he designed then less than an hour later, Microsoft shows a skate boarding game where a boy holding a skateboard scans it using Natal and then flings the board away because it is not needed.If i wear Tony Hawk i would be Pissssed.

EDIT: AT Vasilik

Natal and Sony's motion controller are still undergoing development and are still over a year away.There is no reason to believe that the response time for both wont be better than something like the wii motion plus when they are released.

[vasilisk]

Well he's right, just check Natal's videos. There's almost a second delay to everything you do. We all know you can't play a game that way...

@Green
Well I didn't see any delay during Sony's presentation and I found it more responsive and accurate than the Wii MotionPlus. On the other hand I can't say the same thing about Natal. Maybe they can fix it, maybe they can't.

[GWAVE]

Well, let's be fair. Tony Hawk is going to make money selling his peripheral skateboard in his new game. So, it's in his best interest to downplay something that eliminates any need for a peripheral (supposedly)

Now, please don't misunderstand me. I don't think that Natal is the best thing ever made (it's a cool concept), but all I'm saying is that we should take Mr. Hawk's statements with a grain of salt, since he MAY have ulterior motives.

[green]

Don't worry your statement will never be mistaken for anything else.

@ blaze 929: lol so TRUE.

[Blaze929]

"Don't mind that awesome camera, buy my hella expensive skateboard peripheral!"

[Perjoss]

from what we have been shown, in my opinion the Sony motion stuff is hands down more impressive, it looked like real 1:1 movement and we could see many times during the demo how it could be applied to various game genres in an accurate and fun way. All we need now is for developers to actually take it in a develop for it. Both the MS and Sony cameras have been kinda negleted, thats the main problem with cool add-ons that come way after a consoles launch.

[badz149]

I think you might have missed something here. the Natal camera will also be quite pricey, I think! I honestly don't think m$ will sell it for $99. so...both will be hella expensive imo

[AAACE5]

Ok Tony I get it! If Natal is a good product, it makes your (probably overpriced) board look pointless! Even though, during the Natal video, they showed a kid riding a skateboard. Whatever you say man!

Anyone who says that the Sony motion controls seem better than the 360 controls needs to take off their fanboy hat, and watch all the different stuff you can do!

Sony showed different objects in your hand moving precicely, which is incredible, especially considering the fact that Nintendo are about to make people buy the Wii motion plus. Nintendo is still stuck in the past by making us buy all these extra accessories.

MS showed gameplay with the girl hitting the balls. Showed controlling netflix with your hand and voice, showed a creepy little kid you can interact with, showed some kind of video chat, and several other things.

Seriously, Natal is far ahead of Nintendo and Sony right now! It may not be as precise as the Sony controller, but I am shocked by what they showed. I thought they were going to show some pointless crap that no one would have wanted. But as it stands now... I am buying one!

[Rainstorm81]

"you ever wondered what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like?
Bam! There it is. (avatars leg goes crazy)" Kudo Tsunoda - demoing NATAL

even the breakout demo it just came down to the girl just waving her arms and legs......no skill

Natal and PS motion both have potential, but PS's offering has 1:1 accuracy cant beat that for gaming. (not casual gaming)

yea very accurate / sarc

PS - for those who doubt sonys camera go watch the EyePet trailer.

[I did not murder him]

You guys are crazy.

"There's almost a second delay to everything"

"Sony motion stuff is hands down more impressive"

"Better improve because the PS3s motion sensor looked amazing and much better than the current Natal"

It's no wonder people didn't even bother reading this except for PS3 fanboys. http://www.engadget.com/200...

[Rainstorm81]

the story is about a motion camera's accuracy by the guy MS had to present his game during their E3 Press Conf.

Sony fans comment because the rushed tech demos by sony were the most accurate motion controller seen to date.

Dont blame sony fans, blame Tony Hawk for stating the obvious.

Just because you own system X, dosent mean you cant enjoy or comment on system Y. But you know that, thats why you troll PS3 news just like the PS3 fanboys troll 360 news.

You have become the very thing you hate. Now your mind is Lost

[I did not murder him]

Cry me a river no one in their right mind would say such a thing. The on the floor hands-on experiences the media is getting tells me only PS3 fanboys see these things wrong with it. Natal is the talk of the show man, games come second and defacto motion controllers come 3rd.

[Rainstorm81]

Really? i thought it was about the Games. Thats what motion controllers are for Games. E3 for Games. Consoles for Games. the entire industry is about the Games. If games come 2nd in the GAMING industry then something is drastically wrong.

"Natal is the talk of the show man, games come second and defacto motion controllers come 3rd. "

um you do know NATAL is a defacto motion camera so it falls in 3rd with the rest of the Motion gadgets.

best of the show : Alan Wake, Splinter Cell, GOW3, Uncharted 2

Motion gadgets with "potential" thats still a year off comes last.

Since to you games come 2nd at the biggest gaming show of the year its clear that you are only into games for the "Console fanboy War" because you are a fanboy yourself

(but i might as well be talking to a brick wall)

[UnwanteDreamz]

Once again the Natal fanboys are pretendidng that all the stuff in the comercial was done live. I was impressed with their advertisement but the actual live demo was not impressive.

[cherrypie]

There was no delay at all -- did you not see the super-imposed avatars? they were repsonding 1:1.

It would be **REALLY** great if Eurogamer was more clear about what Hawk is saying here.

"We actually tried to get [Tony Hawk: Ride] **RUNNING WITH A CAMERA** but it wasn't accurate enough," Hawk told MTV Multiplayer. "Plus you can't really do ollies, grabs and flips when you're just standing on nothing."

But at the launch of Natal, they said they havent shipped the SDKs yet. So how -- EXACTLY -- Eurogamer, did the RIDE devs "try to get it running with natal"?

Using the Xbox LIVE Vision or similar (eyetoy), no, it wouldnt work. But NATAL is a 3D camera, something very different than the Camera RIDE devs would have access to.

SO, until their is clarification, I'd like to suggest that perhaps Eurogamer is intentionally being unclear here.

Hawk **ISNT** talking about NATAL. Do you think that Hawk **REALL** knows the difference between Natal and the "camera" they tried to get it to work with? MS just bought 3DV a few months ago, they certainly didnt show it to Hawk/Ride people.

Further, to those saying "OMG, PS3mote is better than Wiimoteplus". Get real. They are identical in every way.

PS3Mote (gyro, accelerometers, light source) + eyetoy (cam tracking).
WiiMote+ (gyro, accelerometers, Camera) + Lightbar (light source).

They are **THE SAME EXACT THING**. Dont pretend otherwise (or, if you're on N4G, you can go ahead and do this, and I'm sure no one will be honest or informed enough to point out the stupidity of what you're saying).

Wiimote+ == PS3Mote < Natal.

[Megatron08]

I agree with the TC. Personally I think "ride" seems like be more fun to play from what was shown. Natal is very impressive tech and "Milo" was amazing but I just dont see it being something I want to use to play games with. There a reason I dont own a wii after all.

[whoelse]

Natal looks good but it have a lot of limits in what can be achieved in games. How can you play a FPS, or play a sports game like football (soccer) apart from the penalties.

The Sony controller has limitations too but not so many in my opinion.

[mfwahwah]

@1.2

Tony Hawk could lose money with his game and he'd still be 100,000 times richer than any of us. I don't think he cares that much to sabotage Natal :/

[Rob0g0rilla]

That's pretty messed up.

I really don't think motion controls are as good as a controller. Cooler? Yes. But it'll never be as responsive as using a controller. I doubt they'll ever manage to make motion controls as responsive and effective as pressing a button. I think people will buy into both Sony's and Microsoft's motion tech but they'll always go back to using a controller.

[thewhoopimen]

In order for motion control to be adopted as the defacto standard for gaming, it needs to be as versatile and easy to use as a controller and more importantly respond as quickly as what's happening onscreen for the gamer.

For this reason, I place Sony's tech at a higher level of polish and promise than either the Wii or 360's implementation, though I'm still highly doubtful whether motion control will supplant existing tradition.

I mean look at it this way. All the negative (360 only) trolls complain about how there's a slight millisecond delay between action and reaction in Killzone 2 and how much it kills gameplay, is suckage, blah blah. Well now their lauding a NATAL motion control system that takes 1/2-3/4 second to react. Who's being the hypocrite and still can't see it? The 2 complaints are very much interrelated. No gamer can stand a millisecond delay let alone a 1/2 second one.

When you look at it in that light, Natal is an order behind either the wii or sony implementation. Isn't that the honest truth?

1:1 is the holy grail of motion control this generation. Not a non-controller system with delayed feedback. Let's get reaction time right before we start going all fancy. To me MS's concept is like trying to fly before learning how to flap efficiently. All flash little substance.

Developers are still stupid about wand movements, where are they going to start with no prop?

[shazui123]

I guess since the games exclusive, and Hawks unbiased, its true, specially since it looked so at E3. Better improve because the PS3s motion sensor looked amazing and much better than the current Natal. Lots of possibilities there, not so much into "cleaning windows" again, or kung fu

[khsmooth]

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- My rating of the conference
The good:No charts,Crackdown 2,Halo ODST footage,Alan Wake(finally),footage of MW2,and MGS coming to Xbox 360.

The bad:Natal being yet another desperate attempt from Microsoft to cash in on the Wii,no Killer Instinct 3,no Rare,no Mass Effect 2,Beatles thing was too long.Oh,and Cliffy Bs T-shirt was Xtra Smedium.

The unnecessary:Natal,InstantOn with its whopping 8 movies,taking shots at the Wiimote,Facebook/Twitter on the 360,and Left4Dead2 showing this soon.

Overall:B-,good job but there was nothing shown that makes me want to go out and buy a 360.
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...."Natal being yet another desperate attempt from Microsoft to cash in on the Wii"...is the PS3 motion controller in the same desperate microsoft boat??? Or is the PS3 Motion controller a Wii Plus Plus and is far more different then what the Wii is doing?? With all of that said, I hate the fact that both Microsoft and Sony wants a part of the Wii's magic. And Sony can say that they had a motion control before Microsoft but is a new controller a way of saying they half-a??ed the sixaxis? No. It's there way of saying we have a remote control thingy like the wii, much like MS is saying we can make you jump around and look foolish as well. I digress. Like when the wii was announced I was the first one excited about the possibilites that it could do for gaming, but when I found out about the hardware limitations I was instantly dissappointed. Now with MS and Sony going full force into the Motion sensing ring we should be happy that both boxes are able to handle intense physic based caculations that makes indepth games stand out. Let's all take a breather for awhile because both companies showed tech demos on stage and MS showed burnout running behind closed doors. Sony's is so early that they was using an engineering designed device. All of this is to say that both companies have shown a real knack for technical achievements and I look forward to seeing how a developer can make both of these devices shine. Lets look forward to something truly amazing and pray that no shovelware is on the horizion.

[KingME]

I keep hearing people talking about a one second delay while using Natal. Sorry guys, no matter how many time I look at the video I just don't see the one second delay. I think the technology looks pretty good, not to mention the technology is still in development stages.

As for Tony hawk, unless I missed something, he said "We actually tried to get [Tony Hawk: Ride] running with a camera, but it wasn't accurate enough," but did he actually say NATAL? I didn't think so, therefore the title to this article is Bullsh!t. You know what they about people that "assume" it just makes an "A$$" of "U" and "ME".

It's amazing how people speculate so quickly and will type anything for a website hit.

[timmyrulz]

"Better improve because the PS3s motion sensor looked amazing and much better than the current Natal"

Cheers i have just spat coffee all over my keyboard

[Pennywise]

Why because someone isnt fooled by the glitz & glamor and calls a duck a duck? I commend someone brave enough to say it like it is. 1:1 or its a loser.

[cherrypie]

@3.2

PS3Mote (gyro, accelerometers, light source) + eyetoy (cam tracking).
WiiMote+ (gyro, accelerometers, Camera) + Lightbar (light source).

no difference.

However, Natal is *full body motion*. And it was one to one. Watch the live Ricchochet demo. Watch the girl move, and her body super-imposed. Their is no delay (give it a rest fanboys). And it is 1:1.

[ZuperAmazingCooKie]

Xtards are hypocrites, they bashed the Wii to oblivion because it was not accurate, it was a waggle fest, had few buttons, etc. And now that Xbox 360 is getting Natal, it's the greatest invention ever.

I certainly agree that the new webcam is advanced. However, Microsoft should have mixed that with its classic controller, like Sony is doing. But anyway, both Sony and Microsoft have enough time to 1up each other for next-gen, because this gen, these add-ons won't matter that much as they will the next.

[Montreafart]

Designed for casual gimmicky shiatty games like "Draw the elephant" or "Youre in the movies".

For real games, it lacks the precision, accuracy and control.

WORSE: its added with voice recognition, face recognition and all that high tech stuff to make it appear as if its "high tech".

In reality, all that crap is useless and only buffs up the retail price of that gimmick.

200 bucks for that crap? = XBots = owned

[badkolo]

as much as i loved natal he is right, it was 100% responsive, there was a delay, now if thats due to beta and bugs then fine, meaning if they fix that and any other issues then natal blows everything away, but if they dont fix it then it wont fair well.

[brianodom]

you're talking about a company who has to work on their console every 6-12 months to fix some new cause to the rrod...this could take decades to sort out

[TheForgotten0ne]

It was lot's of delay, but other then that it was quite cool. It showed lots of potensial, and I'm hyped about it.

But still the accuracy and as far as I could see no delay on the PS3 motion controler, now that was amazing. But walking is always hard to do there.

I have to say, I like the future of gaming : )

[Raf1k1]

your right.

Though Natal tech is nothing new. It's been used for years now with big screens you can find in cities. UK is usually very late when it comes to new tech and the BBC are planning on using very similar tech with their big screens. (I know this since one of our media groups from uni presented their idea for how it could be used to the BBC in Manchester for their 2nd year Specialist Project.) Apparently they want to have it ready for the 2012 Olympics in which they will be getting people playing interactive games on them.

The technology at the moment isnt as accurate as it needs to be for mainstream gaming but I think it has lots of potential but will be expensive. I don't like the fact that you have to move your hand so much when browsing through an online catalogue just to get to the next item and then move ur hand in the same motion for the next and then the next etc. It is so much easier to just hit a button on yout pad to search through what's there.

MS and Lionhead have obviously already spent a lot of time and money on it while Sony's doesn't seem to be that far into development and reminds me of motion capture technology that is used quite a bit for animations but applied differently.

I think its probably best to just wait and see

[BigBen]

They still have lots of time to fix it.

[Pennywise]

There was delay, they do have time to fix it... but the PSeye is basically the same thing. The camera is VERY dependent on lighting and cant really pickup on 3D movement.

I've played games with the eye and it could be better. Lets hope their camera does the trick, but from the demo yesterday it didnt.

As much as no controllers is appealing, if holding the controller plus the camera makes it 1:1 then thats what needs to be done.

[Baliw]

are we gonna play with Natal?

Seriously, people need to check again the Sony motion controllers video; when the guy walks back and sideways of the tv and his character acts like it. That motion sensor HAS depth, no as Natal nor Wii.

Also check the accuracy when drawing out from the arrows from the quiver.

[Narutone66]

you turn around or move forward or backward in a FPS game using Natal? With the Sony Motion Control, you could with the buttons on the controller or you could move forward and the PS Eye could track your movements.

[Raf1k1]

I know exactly what you mean. It seems to me that with Natal, MS are gunning for a slice of Nintendo's casual gaming pie.

[mfwahwah]

"cant really pickup on 3D movement. "

Watch the demo again. Or for the first time. Since you obviously didn't see the 3D movement that I saw. And that they TALKED ABOUT AS THEY DID IT.

[Ju]

Without any buttons you will never be able to play any game which has an infinite freedom to walk around, simple. This cannot be done by just tracking motion. That said, even if the Natal tracking solution as a pure optical system is impressive it is also impractical for other-then-casual games. I bet right here, MS will figure that out over time. Guess who has years of experience in the market with optical tracking systems in games. Hint: It ain't MS.

[BYE]

People want a physical attachment rather than making wild gestures like an ape. For racing games, that is a steering wheel and pedals, like you would use in a real car. For shooting, it's a gun or at least a grip and a button.

But still, Natal looks like a nice gimmick to mess around with. I bet it's good, casual fun for 1-2 days until it gets old.

[fooflex]

Don't you realize that since you don't have to have a controller in your hand you can use real stuff, like playing a golf game you don't have to swing your empty hands you can hold a real club. You can stand on your own real skate board. you can hold a preferably fake gun in your hand. I don't see why props wouldn't work which would make Natal even feel more real.

Of course I don't think Natal could work for shooting controls, but you can add voice commands and gesture commands for your crew plus slightly unhinge the camera to use head tracking. that would make the whole experince more awesome.

[mfwahwah]

@8.1

If I'm going to skateboard and golf in my living room, then why don't I just go out and actually do it?

[fredy]

wtf it's so blatent

[Raf1k1]

lol true

but where would this industry be if it wasnt for rip-offs?

I hope both Sony and MS can make their tech work as well as they think it will

[skatezero246]

but it's ok for Microsoft to throw there money around because they can't come up with there own exclusives?

[mfwahwah]

When has something being a ripoff EVER mattered as long as it's a quality product?

[rawd]

hahahaha
Love it

[bigjclassic]

you are a reasonable human being. Cool tech, but needs some tweaking to get real accurate motion right. Sony and Wii Motion+ already have 1:1 down.

[OldParr]

that tony hawk game does not look that much fun...

[bjornbear]

If you have, then you'll know that pulling tricks off on "nothing" is effing retarded. He has a point, and was probably asked by a journalist what he thought, and its his honest opinion

i'll listen to a pro skate boarder about whats best for a skate game than any tech nerd =P thank you very much ^^

[fooflex]

He had to say what he said, I don't think his board is bad, and it'll hit the market way sooner then Natal is even an issue, but he's marketing his concept, being asked if he's afraid of another product the dumbest thing to say, yes I'm afraid, our idea is now stupid.

I happen to agree that the board probably feels more realistic, but also for the majority of people playing yes people who can't skate they may prefer a more forgiving imaginary board, plus it would be cheaper without the pepherial, I'll also bet the next Hawk game supports Natal, so this is all very pointless.

[divideby0]

the 360 does not have the power to run this app.

it will take a 720 or PS4 or at least 2 more PS3 development years

this aint a hardware bash

[Raf1k1]

I think it can defo run the tech. But its a different story when its applied to a game as you need to make sure u can run the tech with the game without compromise one or the other.

[divideby0]

yep...

[Sayai jin]

Natal is still under development, right? So I am sure the product will improve. This is not the retail version.

[Javier19]

LOL sorry i have trouble taking the opinion of someone whos trying to sell a plastic Wii fit board wannabe seriously.

[Bladestar]

what the hell? Why are sony leg humper talking about Sony's lollipops when it comes to this? We are talking about a skate game... how would you use Sony's solution when it comes to this? duct tapped 2 lollipops in your hands and two in your arms and then imagine you have a skateboard?

Sony's lollipops have 0 relevance and shouldn't even be mentioned because just like the wii it does not work for many games... that this is one of them.

Now, Sony leg humpers are already declaring Natal Doomed even without the first game for it being out... just like many did when Microsoft announced the xbox 360 and many though that it would do worst than the original xbox and no one would even bother buying one... no to mention that within 6 months of the PS3 release.. the PS3 would beat the xbox 360 in every single region...

This are the same people that said that Online gaming would not work back when Microsoft pushed Xbox live and now xbox live won a "Guinness World Record".... not PSN.. not Nintendo's online service.. but xbox live.

Also the same people that laughed about digital distribution when Microsoft added xbox live marketplace saying that digital distribution is not possible... and now we have Sony removing UMD from the PSP and making the PSP go completely digital distribution dependent... and even add a movie marketplace...

now even full retails games will be sold on the PS3 and xbox 360 via digital distribution...

one would think that even after so many successful attempt to bring stuff to consoles that many people didn't think possible Sony leg humpers would give microsoft the benefit of the doubt.

[lokiroo420]

here here box boy, dont be so quick to attack then defend 360 and natal, natal is joke, ps2 tech, old news, you think this will be successful, 150 mil ps2 sold and this stuff wasnt game changing, get over it.

[dustgavin]

Bladestar is just mad that his experience with Milo will not be accurate enough.

[Lamoo]

Yeah... cause we all know Sony is great at marketing.

/sarcasm

[jax07]

The NATAL is an EYETOY

[fooflex]

MS already has a camera thats the same as eyetoy why would they make it over again. And do your homework, Natal is a RGB Camera, Depth sensor, and multi array microphone with a custom processor. This kind of technology allows you to actually distinguish a person and there specific movements, which means fully body motion capture. You can't do that with the eyetoy. you can project their image on the screen for mini games ala ps2 eyetoy games and they were so gimmicky and aweful, this is something else entirely.

[Ju]

The only difference is the depth sensor, and maybe the sensor resolution (the PS Eye runs 60fps on a 640x480 resolution), the microphone is already 3d - its a mic array which can filter directional audio. Note this is PS Eye, not the EyeToy). So, what's left is the distance sensor. Natal will not show anything new then casual games. If its $20 and bundled with each XBox, maybe. But even then, and even if all these "famous" people with an opinion now praise it as the second coming - which they usually do when they see some nice new gimmick - its a novelty and will not work as a general input device for _all_ games.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Natal isn't just motion controlling it controls your entire 360.

Natal has more possibilities and potential over Sonys Wii Mote.

[fooflex]

the fact the you can use gestures and voice means you can play a game with a controller and then just start talking to your unit persay or pause the game and teach the system a hand gesture like a thumbs up or fist pump, to be a unit command, there is just tons of application for this. Personally I want to use it to slap someone I'm talking to in a game.
But the other controllers are going to require a game to be built from the ground up with use in mind. instead of to complete existing hardcore titles.

[Enigma_2099]

... I won't play it.

[PLAYINB3YOND]

As a matter of FACT the PS3 motion controller has not got any accelerometers or gyros in it. If it did it wouldn't need the PS Eye. If you actually listened to the guy demoing it instead of jizzing your pants over MS pants you'd know that the PS Eye is only tracking the lit up ball on the end of the stick and the only mechanical devices on it are the buttons. Also they also showed the Natal technology to Steven Spielberg so yes Tony Hawk did try it.You need to do your research before coming up with conspiracy theories. Thats all I have to say.

[fooflex]

This is what the ps3 guy said:
"It has a variety of buttons, and internal motion sensors..." then he went on about the sphere.

so internal motion sensors the thing you didn't listen to because you were to buy making funny of Natal, probably implies gyros and accelerometers. Also because that is the only reliable current technology to do what they are doing.

[crazyclown]

this proves my theory that this new thing by Microsoft may potentially fail. I'm not ranting, but lets say for FPS games, how would this work?

[strickers]

MS fanboys need to do some home workbefore claiming what Eyetoy can and can't do,let alone PSEye.I was lucky enough to play Eyetoy tech demos at the Gaming show in london(the vintage games one)and the water stuff was on the first eyetoy.The showing of images to the camera and then onscreen intergration were shown for PSEye some time ago on Eyepet and again on the new Eyepet trailer.Also on PSEye the big lump on top is 4 way noise cancelling microphone array.Also please consider that Dr Richard Mark created the first Eyetoy some years ago,so plagarism claims are a little cart before the horse.Do you really think the first Eyetoy was not any inspiration for the Wii?Can't do,can it.Ninty are beyond analysis.

[Ninjamonkey]

This is the thing.

MS will probably release some kind of controller too as for shooters and stuff you need buttons. Something to use as a gun, an analouge stick to go forwards (unless you want to walk onto your TV) and stuff like that.

Sony's controllers look odd, but are good in that you have buttons, and something to hold. Its good for shooters and fighters.

Personally i think MS is further ahead with the body reognition, and it can tell between people. they have the software done, but sony just has an advanced wiimote.

The final solution though lies somewhere between MS's and sonys tech. Sony will obviously copy MS's camera thing and MS probably has a controller in development.

but yeah this is the future of gaming =D

[PHIL1017]

Natal looks good to me, im impressive. BUT my friends and i were discussed it about that.

ONE BIGGEST QUESTION IS...NATAL CAN READ OUR FACE EXPRESSIONS BUT VOICE? HOW CAN NATAL COMMUNICATE WITH DEAF PEOPLE WHO CAN'T VOICE? CAN NATAL READ OUR AMERICA SIGN LANGUAGE BY USE HANDS?

THEN NATAL WILL BE FAIL FOR ALL DEAF PEOPLE.

PSMC IS BETTER THAN WII REMOTE. I HATE WII REMOTE BECAUSE IT HASN'T MORE ACCURACY AND NOT ENOUGH SPACES. AGAIN, PSMC IS THE BETTER MC AND TRUE 1:1 THAN WII REMOTE.

SO IS PSMC BETTER THAN NATAL? I HAVE NO COMMENT. (I DONT WANT ANY FANBOYS TO HAVE ARGUE WITH ME AND OTHERS. I PREFER PEACE)

:-)

[NegativeCreep427]

isn't fooled. And why the hell would he? Only the MS butt-buddies who try their hardest to convince themselves Natal will perform flawlessly in actual practice are saying Natal looks good.

[keysy420]

natal will fail for those reasons the same way ps eyetoy didnt do that well. games need controlers