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PS3 vs. 360 - Riddick: Dark Athena comparison screens

As the european release of The Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena is getting closer, Cynamite has put up lots of comparison screenshots from both the PS3 and Xbox 360 version of the game. Can you tell the difference?

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onijutsu5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

i always wonder if they bothered to turn on full hd in the ps3 settings

EDIT: sorry thats full rgb isn't it :P

HWG5846d ago

Just so you are aware, the FULL RGB settings are for OLDER PC-level color TVs. Turning on the Full RGB settings on TVs will make the colors look darker, but it will also crush the blacks and cause problems in the output of the picture. What they should change that setting to say is "PC RGB" or "TV RGB".

I made this post on the IGN boards not too long ago to someone who said something very similar to what you said.

"RGB Full, before anyone says a word, is misleading. It is meant for PC style DVI displays that used 0-255 color values as base. Modern HDTV's used 16-235, and using Full compresses these channels and resamples the color data - which can accentuate or even cause additional banding."

Now you know why this setting is not used for PROFESSIONAL reviewers.

Ghoul5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

Its not that easy, and your mixing things up.

"Just so you are aware, the FULL RGB settings are for OLDER PC-level color TVs"

This is wrong RGB full is only for MODERN HDTV's and all PC-LCD monitors, read lower for explanation.

"RGB Full, before anyone says a word, is misleading. It is meant for PC style DVI displays that used 0-255 color values as base. Modern HDTV's used 16-235, and using Full compresses these channels and resamples the color data - which can accentuate or even cause additional banding."

Wrong, older TV's use only RGB Limited because of TV-standards, older HDTV's too.
PC-LCD all use RGB Fullrange and MODERN HDTV's can use the FULL RGB space too but it shouldn't allways be chosen especially when watching a movie (read below for explanation).

"RGB Full Range (HDMI)

Adjust the output settings for TVs that support RGB full range. For RGB video signals, the range of color scale that is input varies depending on the TV in use. This setting is for use when the TV is connected to the PS3™ system using an HDMI cable."

For GAMES
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Only modern HDTV's can display as older TV's can only display a limited RGB space 16-235 (because of TV-standard's)
any pc-lcd can display RGB Fullrange as they dont have those TV-standard's.

RGB Fullrange enables the output of the "missing" RGB spaces wich result in more variaty in the blacks 0-16 and whites 235-255. (read expetion for movies below)

RGB Fullrange is only for HDTV's that support it and will result in a much more vivid picture [(in games)if your HDTV supports it].

For MOVIES
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Almost allways keep it to limited as all DVD/BLU are encoded in TV-stadard's and hence are allready limited to RGB 16-235.

Enabling RBG Fullrange on DVD/BLU will result in worse whites and blacks as it "deletes" or "flattens" the fine contrasts.

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- If black sometimes appears bright and sometimes appears pale on the screen when [Limited] is selected, set this option to [Full].
- If black appears dull on the screen when [Full] is selected, set this option to [Limited].

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Everyone needs to test it out themself for games if theyre HDTV supports it, and for movies stick to limited RGB and adjust your TV settings for movies.

EDIT::

"Now you know why this setting is not used for PROFESSIONAL reviewers. "

Well the complaints where more then fair since the reviews are NOT professional if they didnt use the correct settings in the first place. It's a fact no matter what you think that a reviewer playing a ps3 game on washed out greys IS using the wrong setup in the first place no matter if its about FULL or LIMITED.

and all complaints are correct if someone shows of comaprions or reviews with wrong setup PS3's and mostly allways get a lower score because of flaws that are the reviewers OWN fault.

Kain815846d ago

thx for the Info^^

Bubbles

MURKERR5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

is that multiplats are near enough equal now

only fanboys would see this as a bad thing

Doctor_Doom5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

I did the right decision and bought the xbox360 version, but the ps3 copy looks good too.

HWG5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

Ghoul, obviously you're not aware that all these PS3 games are devised for the standard 16-235 output. So therefore, you are wrong. These games were designed, as the movies were, for that output. Thus using a 0-255 crushes blacks and offsets whites. You get a WORSE picture if you're using a 0-255 setting on a 16-235 TV ( which ALL modern HDTVs are. )

Ghoul is also the same idiot whom tried to 'prove' me wrong months ago on a similar topic of the XBOX 360 vs the PS3's graphical horsepower. I proved him wrong on a number of occasions and he will always 'disagree' with me regardless of his 'facts.' I wouldn't take anything Ghoul has to say with merit as he is nothing but a fanboy.

Ghoul5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

"Ghoul is also the same idiot whom tried to 'prove' me wrong months ago on a similar topic of the XBOX 360 vs the PS3's graphical horsepower. I proved him wrong on a number of occasions and he will always 'disagree' with me regardless of his 'facts.' I wouldn't take anything Ghoul has to say with merit as he is nothing but a fanboy."

your on some kind of paranoia ?

seriously dude that sounds so silly i can't really believe your serious. That "topic" you said was a discussion where you only bashed the ps3 without lackluster arguments and wrong info.

i have MUCH better things to do than stalk you and disagree or whatever. *shakes head*.

But im getting used to the fact that eitehr side calls me a fanboy whenever i defend a system (360, pc, wii, ps3 whatever)
It's just to easy trying to bring down my comment by saying im a fanboy.

oh and thanks AGAIN for your insult but im getting used to that since most start to insult when they run out of arguments.

have a nice day hwg

EDIT ::

"Ghoul, obviously you're not aware that all these PS3 games are devised for the standard 16-235 output. So therefore, you are wrong. These games were designed, as the movies were, for that output."

its funny this is something different you said above, in fact now your using my arguments and only state that all games are made for a 16-235 (TV-Standard), your switching your argument.

HWG5846d ago

Yes, yes, I'm sure you're so high and mighty. The fact of the matter is ... well you're wrong! Your intelligence through and throughout has been rather disappointing on any subject you take up with me. You always come into the argument trying to one-up the person whom stated their facts right the first time. God forbid anyone give your beloved PS3 distaste, because you would live and die for your system would you not? As far as I'm concerned, you're nothing but a trivial waste. You always seem to think that if anyone challenges you, they're deliberately insulting you. Which in this case, let me be clear, you're on a very unstable pedestal. You're not right on this instance, as I researched this exact topic many months ago when I had the same question. Every single AV expert gave me the rundown and told me exactly what settings I should use on my 52" LCD ( LN52A750 ) which is a top-of-the line television that I don't think you'll come across anytime soon. I know the settings to use for high end televisions, and if you're running on a 2001-2002 era HDTV that used DVI input or BASE HDMI as PC input, then tada you should use Full, because the PS3 will upsample and convert the 16-235 that it is programmed to output to 'appear' correct on those televisions. On any modern HDTV, using these will result in off whites and crushed blacks. Anyone who disagrees with me on this has problems in their TV configuration.

Ghoul5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

jeez whats up man ?

the only one attacking is you, i "tried" to discuss this matter.
your the one insulting and calling me a fanboy and suggest im a broke kid by naming your superduper tv "that I don't think you'll come across anytime soon".

oh and i said it earlier. TEST IT OUT, its not allways full and not allways limited wich looks best, but you take this as a personal attack. then please learn to discuss as i am in no way attacking you in person, other then you.

EDIT::

i just wanted to say a "corrected version" couse your projecting YOUR tv settings onto everyones else tv. and its not that easy as they differ greatly (sadly).

btw good comment on your tv from rahzel
http://www.avsforum.com/avs...
try enabling fullrange and set HDMI Black Level to Normal.
just a try nothing else, so please dont feel attacked again.

i dont have yout tv but maybe it helps

ThanatosDMC5846d ago

Pretty bad quality screenshots. He should have used at least fraps or something. These are just taken from a tv by a still cam.

The Lazy One5846d ago

You are both somewhat right.

Not all modern HD-TV's work with the 0-255 range, so you should really check your TV before changing the settings.

You definitely shouldn't set your PS3 to full RGB if your tv is set for video standard, which I'm guessing a lot of people do due to poor labeling of settings.

Ghoul5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

thats all i said,

if you read my first comment i carefully explained that there is no wonder-setting you can switch on or off.

you need to test it out individually if your tv has Full or not and if it benefits in a better picture or not, there are many ways to get the best picture. you cant blindly enable RGB Full like some suggest (hwg is correct on that one) instead you have to work it out yourself to see wich one is best for you.

i just explained how it works and how people can find theyre best setting.

Einhander5846d ago

360 looks better in those screens and in the Eurogamer comparison as well, not a big enough difference to make a fuss, still buying the ps3 version.

I did not murder him5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

I was going to say the same thing.

Some sets can now use the full PC range. But the same RGB features *being turned on excuses* can be applied to the 360. You hear all kinds of stuff on this site like Super white^YCbCr claims when games default to RGB

I don't think RGB-FULL has anything to do with the missing detail^textures and the lower rez in the PS3 version though.

This is a very bad comparison.

All the big comparison sites will tell the viewers what settings are being used. I'm sure they use the settings that make the PS3 version look its best depending on the equipment they have.

Jaces5846d ago

Again and again the only difference I can see is one screen is lighter than the other. hmph.

Really no difference other than that.

Zeevious5846d ago

You could have simply tried them!

Every TV is somewhat different, and the most important thing is the native color gamut & the TV's settings...usually set to a display mode just for display at the point of purchase, not your home.

This is easily done with free SD or HD calibration patterns:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs...

THEN try the two settings and see which one works best for YOUR setup.

For more detailed console settings you can also find console specific recommendations & specific TV settings.

cliffbo5846d ago

why don't games look washed out like that on my machine... oh yeah: full RPG

I did not murder him5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

Who disagreed with me? come on you should know by now I only post when I'm pretty much right.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ga...
http://www.n4g.com/NewsCom-...

The PS3 and 360 versions almost look like two different builds at times lets get real people.

No one is talking about faded contrast problems and yes this issue can not be fixed with RBG. Folks are pointing out the lack of detail and sharpness in the PS3 version. The PS3 version doesn't even seem to be near the resolution the 360 version is not to mention different effects missing like lighting and so on. PS3 textures are blurry.

Goodness if you can't finally see the difference when looking at the 14th screenshot then you need to see a eye doctor.

Jaces5846d ago

Well if anyone forgot, this game was exclusive to the Xbox awhile back.

It makes sense seeing as how the 360 is a bit better looking in some cases since the PS3 got it as a port. Still a great game though, on my 3rd play through.

stevenhiggster5845d ago (Edited 5845d ago )

It's nowt to do with RGB full or limited, if the tv is set up correctly then it won't be an issue. Most of these places are using the same tv on the same settings for both. If you set up the tv for one then it goes without saying that it won't be correctly set up for the other. I don't have RGB full on mine because when I do the blacks and shadows are too dark, I have a Sony Bravia with Live Colour Creation and the picture is absolutely perfect without RGB full. So just buy a decent TV and set it up properly for whatever you are veiwing. I can gaurantee you that no colours or blacks ever look faded on my PS3 because I have it set up properly!!

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crazy17045846d ago

PS3 version clearly looks better, nicer colors and better textures

lowcarb5846d ago

"PS3 version clearly looks better, nicer colors and better textures"

Ok now take off the fanboy goggles and look again lol. They both look close enough to the point where this comparison is stupid.

HWG5846d ago

The fanboyism in that comment is disgusting. Both games use the exact same source material. The 360 and PS3 have identical textures, and what not. To say otherwise is absolute ignorance on your part.

Now if you want to talk about better looking games, take a look at the PC. I'll enjoy my 2560x1600 resolutions, higher textures, 16x AF and 8x AA. Enjoy your fanboyism, I'll enjoy 60+ FPS of High Def goodness.

Why o why5846d ago

like 90% of comparisons in 08 and 09

HWG5846d ago

I love how the PS3 fanboys 'disagreed' with me because I proved them wrong. I hate fanboys, they're ruining this site.

Why o why5846d ago

all your doing is attacking others. So what if you sound like you know what you're on about. Sometimes peoples posona's filter into their comments and your hate for ps3 fans seems to ooooze out everytime you type something....just an observation

solidjun55846d ago

He attacks like his life depends on it. It's not serious man.

boodybandit5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

What's up with you?
Too much red meat?
Steroid use?
Not enough sun light?
Chill and quit taking things so seriously. You'll live longer. ;)

These comparison articles get N4G members no where. It just ends up turning into a war nearly every time. Judge for yourself with your own eyes and don't rely on sites to give accurate comparisons. All I know is games on my displays (on the PS3 and 360) usually look different then what I see in most of these comparison articles submitted here.

Statix5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

You haven't proven ANYONE wrong. In the case of multiplatform games, it is almost a constant that textures differ in their resolution between platforms; this is fully evident in several of the screenshots for Riddick; there are clear instances where one can see how the textures differ. Don't pretend to speak so authoritatively on a subject for which you obviously have zero technical knowledge.

aaron58295846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

is always sensitive to "fanboy" comments...

I dont know about you guys, i never seem annoyed or "disgusted" with the "fanboy" comments...

If you are really a neutral, you can really enjoy those "fanboy" comments. They are funny and hilarious at times.

but attacking others, calling others a fanboys, makes you look more like a fanboy.

On Topic. It's pretty much useless now, doing comparisons such as this one... They are getting so close.

phosphor1125846d ago

It's a port from PC/360 to PS3, they are all gonna look different, so sit down shut up and play the game.

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Fishy Fingers5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

If you can see much difference then you have better eyes than mine. Nothing there that you would notice in-game. Some of them arent even taken at the same frame.

Strange though, I think the game looks great when your playing it (both formats) but those screens dont.

Edit: Eurogamer have a better comparison up if your interested http://www.n4g.com/NewsPend...

edhe5846d ago

These stills don't show much difference. Eurogamer video shows some minor differences that again show the cheaper console to perform better.

DelbertGrady5846d ago

I see a huge difference!

I just can't tell in which version it is that I see it...

thereapersson5846d ago

Get over yourself already, Edhe.

n4gn4gn4gn4g5846d ago

For the features that are important to me ... the PS3 works out cheaper.

Is this what you meant?

solidjun55846d ago

he tries to bait you and then email you gloating how he did it and will continue to do it. He leaves a paper trail on kotaku.

Ju5846d ago

Eurogamer has a one sided weight on their comparisons, as always. I can't really see a difference. I was however surprised that the PS3 demo ran butter smooth 1080p and I can't really say if that's scaled or not. BTW: These guys have a different opinion then EG: http://www.lensoftruth.com/... (so, in the end, its an opinion after all).

edhe5846d ago

Xbox 360 Arcade Console
£124.99 Free Delivery

Sony PlayStation 3 PS3 Console with 80GB HDD + FREE Killzone 2
£289.99 Free Delivery

Play the game for half the price.

Go on, keep trying to justify why the ps3 is important to this generation. So far i can't see one reason beyond an increased need for multithreaded processing.

Just to pre-empt - Cell? No. Bluray? Nice, but it's only data. You could use floppies and still have HD. Free online? Not even caught up with launch-level xbox 360 live yet, anything else? Exclusives? they're just games.

Every article like this that comes along just confirms my decision that buying a 360 this generation was the right thing to do to get the best versions of the games i want to play.

It's undeniable, sadly. You can disagree all you like but the bottom line is that it's true. I wish i was interested in the ps3 titles so i could maybe slip justification in for blu-ray, but it's not happened yet.

Even found out today that wipeout HD isn't 1080p native afterall thanks to it's use of the Dynamic Frame Buffer, which in itself is actually pretty sweet though.

Go on, someone give me a real reason to crank out over 250 smacks for another console.

Ju5846d ago

That is related to Ridick in what way ? Well, if you got your 360, why would you buy a PS3 to play that game? Go get the 360 version. Well, what's wrong with that ? I got a PS3, so, I won't get a 360 to play that game, obviously.

And OTHO, you can simply flip that argument and I could say give me a reason to get a 360, for not having WiFi, free online (which I enjoy a lot), and the BD rom, one of the major reasons I got one (well, and the reliability). I mean, I have all that, why would I want to downgrade ? (just the HDD alone add a similar price to both, BTW). I got Cyrsis, GeoW (1) and ME1 now for my PC. And since I have them, I haven't really touched any of those games for more then say 30 minutes. I got the games I want and that's what I play. Others might have a different taste and go with what they like most. Works perfectly fine for everybody, IMO.

FamilyGuy5846d ago (Edited 5846d ago )

Whether it be limited or full they still used the WRONG setting when displaying the PS3 version.

But beyond that, did anyone else notice the screen tearing more apparent on the 360 side? It was ridiculous. Does the 360 have a setting to remove or lower those? If you didn't see it, wait for the scene where it pans past the kids face up close. Any panning scene really...

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Deadman645846d ago

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thehitman5846d ago

I dont think those screens are any good to begin w/ though.

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Man the Mad Max game was really underrated when it came out

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miyamoto3318d ago

Tenchu: SA on PSOne comes to mind.
MGS is great but Tenchu is ops it in my book.

Odoylerules0003318d ago

Tenchu! NICE! Wow, I haven't seen anyone mention Tenchu in such a long time. Really, they're my favorite stealth games from back in the day. Ayame or Rikimaru?

miyamoto3317d ago (Edited 3317d ago )

That's a toughie

but seriously

It's either between Proto-Rikimaru
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

or Manji Cult
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Nothing beats the original that won Shuhei Yoshida's heart.

Odoylerules0003317d ago

@miyamoto Okay, my mind is officially blown. First, at how gutter the first Tenchu test footage is(that jump sound effect..), and second...Wow! I had no idea that was motion capture. I immediately knew what I was looking at when he started moving, though. Incredible. Thanks a lot for showing me those, I had no idea those videos existed.

Fist4achin3318d ago

What about the one that was so stealthy, no one played it at all because nobody knew it was there?!

I'm actually having some fun with Shadows of Mordor and sneaking around the orcs and uruks