Neocrisis: 360 Can't Handle Star Ocean?

Neocrisis writes: So I have been playing Star Ocean: The Last Hope for a few days now and will be writing up my review very soon but while playing I have come across quite the annoying glitch.

[swiftshot93]

nope, SE is just making the choice to not invest time and money for anything thats not final fantasy (on consoles)

[jazzking2001]

good point

[drewdrakes]

Agreed, anything that doesnt run well on this generation of consoles should be put down to crappy programming.

[GUNS N SWORDS]

"Neocrisis: 360 Can't Handle Star Ocean?"

wrong question, bioware and mistwalker's two rpgs hit way higher notes than what's out now. right now the only thing both companies (tri-ace and SE) are interested in is getting these games off their waiting lists.

to make an RPG, takes real work. this article wouldn't have even been posted if tri-ace wouldn't have made it's mistakes with this game.(such as bad programming)

[iamtehpwn]

Has suffered from technical issues. Blue dragon is the only one that hasn't, although ironically, Lost Odyssey suffered from long load times, though I LOVED that game.

[DJ]

Such as noticeable framerate stuttering and textures not loading properly or at the right time.

[Chuvanes]

exclusive JRPG in xbox360 = glitch fest

[cayal]

Square Enix are just getting lazier it seems. Prefer the money and not the work needed to make a good game.

Have they had a change of leadership or something over there?

[GUNS N SWORDS]

"Even Bioware's RPG (Mass Effect) had huge technical problems
Such as noticeable framerate stuttering and textures not loading properly or at the right time."

i still play the game, ever since NXE's HDD installation it's been one of my most played RPGs. i have to say it's cut down on a lot of things.

[Diugu]

Its obvious that this is the developers fault. They didnt program properly for this game and it shows.

Sub HD graphics, glitches, etc.

[Bonsai1214]

@Cayal

they merged with Enix. its when they they started to drop in quality.

[ChampIDC]

Some of you people seem to forget that the game is developed by tri-Ace and only published by Square Enix.

[tplarkin7]

I thought The Last Remnant was supposed to be AAA. I bought it and then returned it after 1 hour of play. The game needed another year (even then it would have just been a status quo JRPG).

I'm not getting burned by SE again. If an SE game receives less than 9 on gamerankings or metacritic, I'm not giving it a chance.

[DelbertGrady]

And apparently the PS3 couldn't handle GTA IV...

http://www.gamestooge.com/2...

Has nothing to do with the consoles. This glitch has appeared on both 360 and PS3 games. Didn't Fallout 3 suffer from it as well?

[vhero]

There probably won't ever be a fix except for a PS3 version that wont crash... You can shout the 360 can handle anything the ps3 can until your blue in the face but games like SO prove otherwise.

[HoofHearted]

It's the first time it ever happened to me too. I'm on the Cardianon (sp?) Mothership in the part where the red barriers open and close. The thing that really pisses me off is that the save points are already few and far between. I was maybe 5 minutes from getting to the next save point and the game froze. I was so mad I simply quit.

If this becomes a pattern I'll give up on the game. I don't have the patience to play the same things over and over because it keeps freezing.

[edgeofblade]

"Even more think that perhaps the combat in the game is just to intense for the 360 to handle and that the combination of the graphics on screen and the buttons being mashed on the controller is too much for the console to handle and it gives up the ghost in the process."

This has got to be a joke, and a poorly executed one at that. It would be just like a dingbat JRPG player to not understand that games are programmed, not woven from pure gold thread by Rumpelstiltskin. The "intensity" of the game has nothing to do with how well it runs. It has EVERYTHING to do with memory registers, draw buffers, and processing cycles.

Me thinks someone is trying to paint the 360 as a flustered granny trying to drive on the freeway and having a panic attack. It's not like that at all.

[AAACE5]

For SE, anything that isn't called Final Fantasy or Dragon quest is just a cloud of smoke to keep gamers occupied until those hit.

[SpoonyRedMage]

@tplarkin7: Well very few JRPGs get over 90 on Metacritic in fact the only ones that have in the last three years were FFXII, FFVI(GBA), Chrono Trigger DS and Persona 4. So Square aren't doing that bad, they're just not doing as good as they used to after VII.

Although I think with each successive entry less people buy it because it's not one of the older ones. for instance many people not like VIII for being different from VII and not liking IX for being wildly different from both VII and VIII. Square really hit gold with FFVII and their fanbase has dwindled ever since.

EDIT: @^: You're absolutely right although the other games aren't necessarily bad, they're just nothing compared to their main series. I think they'd be a lot better recieved if they were made by a smaller company who doesn't have two of the most famous RPG series out there already.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

What the writer is reporting is interesting information, but the title is flame bait. Why are you saying 360 can't handle Star Ocean?

[jazzking2001]

lol

[Helghast Slayer]

Just like the first comment. I think SE don't want to invest too much money/dev time in any rpg unless it has Final Fantasy in it. Sadly Quality Assurance is not a major priority for them. I mean why would you bother when you know you'll still get paid for mediocre games lol.

I think i'll stay away from any SE rpg's until Final Fantasy is released.

[Game13a13y]

i guess Microsoft should write them a bigger check next time.

[Narutone66]

having trouble with Tekken 6 too. http://www.destructoid.com/...
To think that they say that it is easier to program for the xbox 360.

[rhood022]

And yet another 360 rpg with technical issues. If it isn't stuttering frame rates, it's long load times and freezing.

------------
But seriously, hopefully it's an isolated incident. I just started playing it yesterday and, so far, haven't run into this issue. But to be fair, I'm only about an hour in.

[jazzking2001]

so true

[ThePlaystation3guy]

Your mom couldn't handle Star Ocean!! OH SNAP!

[jazzking2001]

that sure was random

[LastDance]

I dont get it

[Game13a13y]

Once again, this guy ain't making any sense yet he has more bubbles than me, i don't get this world anymore.

[evrfighter]

if you want more bubbles than all you need to do is comment in a kz2 article. (there should be about 10 on the front page) and join the circle jerk brigade.

[N4Flamers]

I was reading the comments and you wrote kz2 bubbles for you
see how easy it is

[TheColbertinator]

I decided to hold off SO4 for now.It looks like a good RPG but I am currently knee deep in other games at the moment

[jazzking2001]

i wish that it was on the ps3

[MrWonderful]

@ jazzking2001
it will be on ps3 sooner or later. mark my words

[ff13lover]

ps3 should get this

[TheMART]

But it isn't. Now what?

[ViceKingz]

and you don't know for sure mart. theres no 360 exclusivity tag on the box. now what?

[Kleptic]

well this has to be frustrating for both PS3 and 360 owners...

a lot of PS3 owners are familiar with the series, but instead had to sit back and watch 360 owners brag about having it first...nevermind that its nearly at Wii resolution and that the 360 apparently can barely run it...

oh well...I haven't been interested in a Jrpg since FFVII...but I can see where some from both sides would be pissed...

[PtRoLLFacE]

sounds like mass effect lol

[jazzking2001]

lol

[Snoogins]

Just the UE3 being the UE3. Very few games made with this dinosaur play without the occasional freezing or framerate hiccups. I used to experience freezing quite often with Gears of War, back when I had one of the original Pro and Elite SKUs. I wouldn't necessarily blame the 360, even though when it gets hot it behaves like my girlfriend during that time of the month (I kid my girlfriend, she's not THAT bad!), I'd blame that P.O.S. game engine! Though it is unproven at the moment, Square needs to start licensing their Crystal Tools engine so future RPGs won't have to be made with UE3.

[mboojigga]

I picked this game up yesterday and haven't even installed it to my console yet and it has ran just fine.

[NinjaRyu]

"Some people have been somewhat confused reporting that the game is also freezing during cut scenes however this is not the case. Some of the cut scenes are long enough that the 360 controller auto shuts off. When this happen the cut scene stops until the controller is turned back on. The game gives no prompt telling you to re connect the controller so some may think the game has frozen but that is not the case. "

[Sharpshell]

back when all games had quirks like this... and nobody said anything. Now I find if there is even a little slowdown in a game people are like "THIS IS CRAP WTF!" lol I miss the old days when reviewers didnt even mention glitches unless it made the game unplayable.

[Helghast Slayer]

Look here buddy. The 360 has been on the market for 3.5 years now so devs should know how to develop for the darn thing. Not to mention it has been said to be "EASY" to develop for so why are we still having to deal with these issues?

Also people seem to forget that people like me pay $109.00(Aus) for their supposedly hard work so why should we settle for less. Frankly this gen has been a big joke with all this DLC, Timed Exclusive and Exclusive Demo nonsense ever since M$ entered the gaming market. And it so happens that quality is not a priority anymore with some lazy devs because they would rather take the easy way and cater to the lowest denominator.

[Bathyj]

Couldn't disagree more.

I miss the days when devs didn't have the option of patching so they had to finish the game before it was released.

Thats one of the great things about Killzone that no one is giving it credit for, its so polished and playtested. Its the most complete game I can remember playing for ages. No doubt some issues will appear, mostly with online and it will be patched be it is already shinning like a diamond.

[Godmars290]

But 1)when have there been games like these and 2)"back then" when did games commonly have loading and frame rate issues?

And of course people are going to make noise when there are graphic problems - this is suppose to be the HD console generation.

[Microsoft Xbox 360]

Games this generation is a lot more complex than previous generations, so expect bugs here and there. But Killzone 2 is an exception. It's polished and runs perfectly with the greatest graphics to ever hit a console.

[BlackCoffee]

I was playing Killzone 2 Yesterday, on the train section, to the Tharsis Refinery. Rico glitched and was wading chest deep in the metal of the trains deck as if it wasn't there. All games have bugs, singling out one console for it is just going to come back to haunt you. Soon there will be loads of Killzone 2 and all future PS3 exclusive articles pointing out each and every flaw. It happened to Gears of War 2. Therefore it will come back and bite you in the ass.
It is tit for tat like a schoolyard in here, it's getting old.

[Bathyj]

Its not hypocrisy. Yes all games have bugs, but you cant deny Killzone has a much higher level of polish then most while the trend these days is for games to have less.

[ceedubya9]

So I must be one of the fortunate ones. I've only encountered slight slowdown a couple times during battles, but that's about it. Besides that, its ran pretty smoothly for me off of the harddrive.

[kingme71]

Why is it these days that when a game has issues it has to be related to the faulty hardware and not faulty programming? This title is obviously an attention grabbing title, when in reality you would attribute freezing issues to the code running on the hardware, not the hardware running the code.

[Hiruma Youchi]

My friend who also owns a xbox360 never made me part of those issues. I think it just might be your console.

[Zeus Lee]

Square Enix and bad RPGS go hand in hand this gen.

[ceedubya9]

People have been putting way too much stock in SE. Other than the Final Fantasy games, their RPGs have been pretty hit or miss. PS1 days were probably the high times. PS2 days were dominated by Final Fantasies on a broader scale. However, the Megaten games were always of high quality, and generally were better games, just not as mainstreem.

[JOEdANGEL]

@Zeus Lee

They're not necessarily bad games, just not as good as we would expect.

@ceedubya9

The megaten games were made by Atlus, not Square. But you're right about the overall quality of most of Square Enix's games, with FF generally scoring high and the rest a mixed bag.

[ceedubya9]

that the Megaten games were made by Atlus. I was just using them as an example of continuous quality. Perhaps I could have worded it better, but at least you get what I'm saying :).

[SpoonyRedMage]

@JOEdangel and ceedubya9: I agree, the game that Square are doing now are still good and enjoyable but they'll probably never get back to where they were with VII(although XIII might just do it).

Both have bubbles.

I always preferred FF to SMT but they're both great, very different though.

EDIT: I think part of the problem is that SaGa and Mana have pretty much faded away(hopefully there's revivals for both on it's way) so they're concentrating on DQ and FF now with side projects. People just need to understand that TLR and the others are B games, like Parasite Eve is. I think a reviewer got it right about The Last Remnant when they said it looks bad simply because Square also make Final Fantasy.

[Aceluffy]

We just suppose to ignore the glitch that exist here and there for the sake of appreciating the hard work that the developer put into the game. Come on, I know for certain that no game is perfect, but there's nothing wrong with reporting or letting people know that there's some kind of abnormality when the game is played, it's just to let people know what to expect, especially when later they find out what's causing the problem, so the people that own the game can make an informed decision about what to do. If the game is good/fun, that glitch is not gonna affect it much. Nothing wrong with the article, the people who respond to it however... I can't say, especially if there are certain PS3 fanboy who wants to bash this game based on that it's still an Xbox 360 exclusive with multiple discs. Regarding Star Ocean 4, I'm sure they'll find a way to solve the problem for good, just takes a little bit of research and time.

[altimako02]

thought it could be his disc , or that he is a fanboy trying to put something down about the 360, because the title of the article is a little extreme if you ask me. and there have been plenty of games on the ps3 that have alot of bugs (does that mean that the ps3 cant handle the game) this article is just fanboy chatter.

[NinjaRyu]

Somehow I get the feeling that this story is just being used here to to add to the long list of anti 360 or anything or anyone that supports the 360 on this site. Notice one of the updates!

Then again I just it's just the normal thing to do here on N4G, just bash on the 360 or that's not made by sony, God forbid anyone on this website should try to talk about games without bashing something or posting up flamebait articles like this. After this is a sony lover website not a gaming website!(Sacasim)

"Some people have been somewhat confused reporting that the game is also freezing during cut scenes however this is not the case. Some of the cut scenes are long enough that the 360 controller auto shuts off. When this happen the cut scene stops until the controller is turned back on. The game gives no prompt telling you to re connect the controller so some may think the game has frozen but that is not the case. "

[poeo]

bad code is bad code, the console is not to blame most of the time.

Orange Box was bad code on the PS3 for example, no one in their right mind would suggest the PS3 is unable to handle that.

also, Bully port from PS2 to Xbox 360... now THAT'S another example of bad code.

[Unicron]

I wouldn't blame it on the 360. I'd blame it on Square's current business practices. We have to appeal to the west! Toss everything on the 360! What's that, we said we are multiplatform? We lied!

It's pathetic. If they DID release this game on both consoles, I would have snapped it up. But I guess they want to join Bethesda and Rockstar in snubbing their fanbases.

[knightoftears]

It's sad to see my favorite genre suffer so much just so M$ can have the games on their console. It seems to be a case of bad code here, but other JRPGs released were horrible with the exception of one or two. It seems Square-Enix has gotten lazy, which makes me think back to the days when REAL devs made the JRPGs. Squaresoft>>>>> >>Square-Enix forever. Level-5 will be the future!

[edgeofblade]

Here, print out this sticker that says Final Fantasy and stick it on your games. It will make you feel better.

[Why dis]

So because this game supposedly freezes its the 360?
Only 360 games need patching? lol

[knightoftears]

You obviously can't read. I said it was bad code...since when does that point to the 360? It's obviously SE's fault.

[Why dis]

So the header won't cause PS3 fanboys to flock in and bash?

I don't care what it says can you read? my comment says the same thing you're saying. Whats with the header do you understand?

You can disagree all you wan't "360 Can't Handle Star Ocean?"
Doesn't make any sense.

So go attack the people talking sh*t about SE. lol

EA will publish MASS EFFECT 2 But I doubt EA is going to micro manage The Bioware studio.

[akaFullMetal]

seems weird that SE is having a hard time with the 360, especially since its suppose to be easy to make games on, at least compared to the ps3. So it does question if the hardware is limiting games? Mass Effect had trouble, so have alot of rpg's on 360 like infinity discovery, so maybe the 360 is?

[Why dis]

You know what roll SE played as the publisher in the development of Tri Ace's title?

You know SE micro managed the development of SE?

The same thing can be said about multi platorm PS3 games having trouble when it comes to your comment about RPG.s

[JOEdANGEL]

I played Infinite Undiscovery, and I experienced no technical issues with it.

[Shadow Man]

But I did notice a little different after you install your game in your HD. I think is best to not install the game, it ran fine before I did the installation.

[Godmars290]

We'll find out if the same is true for PS3 titles when FFXIII rolls out.

Though have there been any reports of freezing with Eternal Sonata or Tales of Vesperia?

[NinjaRyu]

I'm sure their hasn't!

[BlackRaven85]

I haven't experienced these freezes in Star Ocean, but, on topic I would have to say no. As far as I know there hasn't been reports of freezing in neither games.

[celestialninja]

This echoes what used to happen to me ALL the time when I played FFXI online. For months we (MS) and I tried to narrow down the problem. The only solution we came up with was the graphics processor could not handle everything on the screen at once so was freezing up.

After trying on 4 diff Xboxs all of which froze up during besiege and the alike, we gave up playing and turned it over to a PC.

[REALgamer]

So that sounds more like an internet connection issue - losing contact with the server during intense data loads being shifted to the central servers. Maybe speak to your ISP?

FFXI is not a graphically intensive game, but it is internet bandwidth-intensive. Similar to how WoW is not graphically impressive yet still runs slow on many new PCs simply due to the constant bandwidth being used, as they game struggles to prioritise either rendering the next frame without updated data from the servers due to the speed OR waiting for the next info packet to display.

[DOOMZ]

Not even once....

[PattyWacker]

Misleading title much? I think Star Ocean glitch would be more than sufficient.

[kingnick]

Considering how bad Square Enix published 360 games have been from a technical standpoint just imagine how bad they would have been on PS3 given the same resources.

If a PS3 port eventuates hopefully they put a lot more resources into it especially QA.

[PattyWacker]

I dont think the 360 has any problems as people are trying to point out. Enough games have come out on that system glitch free that I can easily point out Square as the problem and not the 360. There's a reason I didn't buy this game. Square has honestly gone downhill and isnt even an A+ game developer anymore. They are being outshined by every other RPG developer out there. My anticipation for FFXIII has fallen greatly. I barely even care anymore, especially since I dont see it out until fall of 2010.

[Reibooi]

For those who are saying the reason behind this issue is the Unreal Engine you would be wrong as the game does not use that engine. The engine used in Star Ocean is a extremely overhauled version of the Infinite Undiscovery Engine. It's somewhat difficult to tell as Star Ocean looks leaps and bounds ahead of Undiscovery however it is indeed the same engine so that rules out the UE3 engine mess(Which btw would most likely have been the problem had the game used that engine)

As it stands it make simply be a glitch. Until Square decides to address the issue we will not exactly know the cause.

[AKNAA]

Whatever, lets just hope SE fixes this problem when it gets released on the pS3 soon...

[N4Garbage]

I haven't experienced 1 technical issue through my entire 70hour playthrough.

I'm on Disc3 on ENII.

No Framerate problems in battle or free roam, epic story, awesome fighting gameplay.

This is a great RPG.

Nor have any of my friends.

This is just yet 1 technical issue experienced by 1 person that has been blown out of proportion by negative news feeding fanboys.

Well /slowclap you've been fed. Now die.

[Argento-Nox]

It's nice to know SE got a bit of comeuppance for their stupidity in not releasing this multi-platform day 1. Assuming SE releases this on PS3 at a later date, I have no doubt the rpg audience will give SE sales a big middle finger as a reminder.

[Cyrax_87]

...what happened? they haven't made a decent game since FFX, yet, for some reason, I can't put FFXII down >_>

[DelbertGrady]

Many random games have had this problem. Dead Rising, Oblivion, Fallout 3 etc. PS3 games have had them too.

http://www.gamestooge.com/2...

http://boardsus.playstation...

[south205]

After reading the review here, I don't think it's Star Ocean with the bad code. I think it's a problem with some 360s. Like for example, my 5th 360 will freeze every time gears of war 2 loads the title screen. I've taken that same copy and played it on a buddies console and it was fine. It's just an error in certain consoles.

Even after my 5th one came back from the rrod, it will still freeze on the gow2 title screen. So therefore, I wouldn't actually blame square for that.

[Neo604]

FF13 with nuke the thing!

[tudors]

I only said the other day that KZ2 appears to be maxing out the PS3, 30fps and lag, but truth be known how can we really know? we are talking some serious technical stuff here, and though we like to think we know the score most of us don't, what I do know is we expect a lot and put a hell of a lot of presure on the DEVS to be perfect or call them lazy, well the same people who said RROD was known about from the begining are likely the same people who think DEVS would produce a deliberatly shabby game when this does not make sense, all this equates to is loosing money, why would they want that.

BTW the title is completly out of order, imagine if this was titled

"the PS3 can't handle KZ2"

[Ichiryoka]

But where in the world did you get lag from? There is no lag in killzone 2 online. You are just pulling stuff from yo ***. The problems in Star Ocean 4 are not that serious, I bought the game 2 days ago and i havent ran into any problems. I love this game and will be playing it for a while, but to say that killzone 2 has lag, now thats sad. And how can killzone max out the PS3 when games of a higher calibur will be released on the system? If they make killzone 3 on the ps3(which I'm sure they will) that must be overloading the ps3, it can't be done.

I guess the title should read

"Tudors cant handle the fact that killzone 2 is a success."

[GodGinrai]

your not allowed to say anything nagative about KZ2 .if you do happen to find a fault in the game you are somehow delusional and "cant handle it" according to some of the zealots (like Ichiryoka ). There is also nothing wrong with a game running at 30 fps aslong as its stable and locked at 30,yes? far cry 2 ran at 30....i still liked the game.

[XLiveGamer]

Wow you PS3 fanatics talk too much sh!+ against Xbox 360 - games with your 10-12 years old comments. Always talking sh!+ about companies and games that have been developed for Xbox 360. You don't see Xbox 360 fans that constantly talking trash about PS3 console or games around here. Apparently someone hurt your feelings. Its funny how some people have sending me messages insulting me and cursing for a neutral comment or comparing two games or comparing one game with a game i like while also letting know that the game compared its a great game too.

So that mean you don't want them and need those games on your PS3 right?

You guys are paying more attention to what Xbox 360 console or his developers are doing than to your console of choice. Its sad to see how some people goes behind a piece of plastic and word ship him so hard lying and insulting others in his name.

Please before you comment read all the damn article and grow up.

[frictionini]

there are more glitches on exclusive and multiplatform prioritized on the 360 than those prioritized on the PS3. Seems like lesson learned AGAIN for the X time although devs will keep on ignoring this just to screw themselves

[GodGinrai]

its all one big conspiracy right...(yawns) my breaks almost over,but im gonna leave "some" of you with this.some you guys need to find interests outside of video games........you care waaaay to much about the politics of the indusrty. maybe if you put that same energy you spend thinkin about this stuff,into something more constructive (or better yet go to uni and get into the games biz yourselves!) you wouldnt spend so much time worrying about corporations that dont even know you exist.

peace

[REALgamer]

Simply sounds more like a software bug than 'the 360 can't handle SO4'.

Killzone 2 froze on me while i was playing the campaign but I'm not writing articles labeled 'the PS3 can't handle Killzone 2'.

This article has a very misleading a fanboy-baiting title.

It's simply a bug in the software they need to sort out, like many games have albeit a quite serious bug that should be patched immediately, not a reflection of the console it's on.

[creeping judas]

Bah, MS biased media site. Where SONY has paid these so called journalists off.

[NMC2007]

I have a question, what game this gen was shipped glitch free?
Can you name one? Bonus Question: What game out there was shipped without needing a patch to fix it.

-_- Again, the hit box responds to the hit signal.

OMG I am having a problem with a game, it must be that the console can't handle it, well if that is indeed the case then the PS3 can't handle a lot of sh1t, will y'all agree to that nonsense too?

I am so sick of stupid ass articles.

[jlemdon]

by installing the game it takes longer to load and freez more?!?!

that's crazy.

[ceedubya9]

NOT TRUE

[XPC HARDonE]

tales of vesperia never had a problem

the 360 has the best graphics ever, killzone 2 cant touch bomberman zero.

deny u cant

[ZILLA]

360 is like a 90 old man trying to fight a 25year old UFC fighter,there no way in hell he can match the stamina,power or KOs(games)!

[Ebi]

I just thought of something:

Gamers are moaning today about SquareEnix and their RPGs (particularly on the Xbox 360). Other gamer counter their gripes with the notion that
SE are just the publishers and the fault lies with the developers (particularly these comments come from 360 JRPG fans).

Fair enough. Now consider this:

SE may NOT be responsible for developing the game, but they ARE the games' publishers. Being a publisher is, in my opinion, just as important as the developer's SE is using their logo, their brand. Associated with this brand is a history encompassing the finest RPGs the world has ever known (from the Squaresoft era). Given the firm's history (irrespective of their merge with Enix - what a bloody stupid move that was...) they are using their brand power, their name that was built upon great gaming franchises to PUBLISH MEDIOCRITY! There, I said it! The Last Remnant and Infinite Undiscovery has been perceived, not solely by me, but by the entire gaming community to be lackluster relative to the firm's past resume' of developed and published games.

This is not an attack on the Xbox 360, this is an attack on SE. Who else also believes that ever since their merger, Square has lost it? Who of us are also crying for the era of PS1 and SNES RPGs of time past? Moving along with the times is all fine and dandy, but shovelling crap in our faces and labelling it as change is not.

Fellow gamers, this is not a PS3 vs Xbox 360 issue. This is an issue of a world-class brand that has fallen from grace. I'm a die-hard SquareSoft fan, and I'm waiting for lucky number XIII. If it's not up to the standards of the past, the f*** SE and f*** Yoichi Wada.

[Shane Kim]

so the 360 can't handle a mediocre JRPG with sub HD resolution? Shame.

[OutLaw]

I had this problem with the second disc playing the game on 1080i. So I decided to load the game up from the hard drive and put the 360 on 720p and so far no problems. Hopefully I wouldn't have to do this for the third disc.

[rawd]

the 360 can't handle Pong

[Zool 08]

or space invaders

[N4Sony]

This site has been infested by Sony fanboys. Just look at the posts to this news article.

First off, SO4 is yet to freeze on me. Technical issues? Only thing is a slight slowdown when the game loads the massive environments the game takes place in. Oh, and I'm well into the first landing on Roak, so no, it's not just that I'm yet to play it enough to get a freeze.

Second, how about the PS3's handling of Assassin's Creed and GTA4? How about Prince of Persia? SERIOUSLY, I guess the PS3 just couldn't handle those games too?

Honestly children, grow up. This thread is EXACTLY what's wrong with N4G these days. I like my PS3 and enjoy KZ2, HOWEVER, I'm going to have a good laugh when Feb/Mar NPD has 360 own PS3, AGAIN.

[devilhunterx]

So how was Enchanted Arms? Eternal Sonata?

[PsYcHoToE1]

360 Can't Handle Star Ocean? - what a stupid title. Why wouldn't it? Now that all these articls are out about "can 360 handle KZ2?" are out people are getting paranoid. Look at the new resident evil, F.E.A.R 2 GOW2 just to name a few run perfeclty smooth on the 360 with no problems.

This site has the most f-up information.

[reddevilyi]

A freezing problem isn't going to be caused by the 360 hardware not being able to handle something. If it was slow down, frame rate issues, or textures not loading in correctly I could understand. But freezing is more than likely caused by a scratched disc or a programming error.

[Roper316]

Mine froze about 4 times in the Caldarion ship/space station in the lower levels in the mazes always at the end of a fight. It happened about 4 times, so far that is the only place I have experienced a problem.

[ironmonkey]

well square enix did say it was easier to program games for 360 but the looks of it i'snt major glitches and having make 3 cd's makes it difficult and it lowers quality u can pay them 50mil or whatever but ur not gonna get a perfect game 3 cd's ruins games its just old school now plus dubbed in english made the game ever worse never heard voice acting sound so bad like that but at least it sold something, so kudos to ms

[Foxgod]

wow, so bug means hardware cant handle it ?
The world is in trouble then, because bug free software doesnt exist.

[komp]

if it happens once its a bug,
if it happens more than once its a feature.

[The Judderman]

And the ps3 can't handle anything the 360 runs. Every game released on both always suffers on the ps3 yet shines on the 360. funny that. Maybe the ps3 isn't all its hyped up to be. Same as ps2.

[dustgavin]

You just keep telling yourself that as the PS3 continues to smash the 360 in graphics and quality.

[Homicide]

I never had any problems with Star Ocean. The only problem is the voice acting. blah!~

[Foxgod]

KAY :D

[The Judderman]

When the ps3 can handle it i will.

[Blu Ray3]

the 360 in graphics.........but it takes too long and too much money in general to get those results.....so what's the point,
to only get a handful of exclusives that really shine this gen?
This is part of the reason why the 360 will beat out the PS3 this gen.

[Magic_The_Celt]

LMFAO xbox 360 cant even handle a flop?

[ironmonkey]

its to bad that when the first images of star ocean came out i thought it was gonna be the most good looking game coming out but now playing it,its horrible in graphics and the dialogue wow! could of been better lol the voice actors made me not want to play it. expected way more from this game

[RealtorMDandDC]

360 cannot handle Tekken 6...................according to the producer