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Starfield Achieved an Unprecedented Player Count Record in 2023

A recent report by Newzoo has shed light on the state of the gaming industry in 2023 and what the future holds. The report discussed the top ten games on each core platform based on Monthly Average Users (MAU) in 2023, unveiling some intriguing insights.

One striking observation was that Starfield emerged as the sole single-player game to make it to the top ten on Xbox and PC in terms of average MAU (Monthly Average Users), even without PlayStation data due to it not being released on that platform. This new franchise stood out among a list dominated by multiplayer and cooperative games, where the other titles had an average age of over seven years.

Admin Note: it should be noted that these figures are only stats from major publishers who make them available publicly and does not include all stats from all games within the same time period, which means that the stats are skewed toward the available data set and not real world data.

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Sciurus_vulgaris45d ago

Starfield was a steam platinum tier seller in 2023( https://store.steampowered.... so the game did well. N4G seems to have an ever shifting goal post for what makes a game successful, especially if said title isn’t on your preferred platform.

shinoff218345d ago

Player count shouldn't really be a factor when the game was given away. What would've been real indicative is how much it sold. Which we won't get those numbers.

Truth is stsrfield was incomplete nonmatter how you put it, and it lacked alot. Lore, maps(2023), real exploration, etc. I won't even get into the stuff I think is dumb like fps and loading because it's trivial at best.

Games_People_Play45d ago

The game is also on Gamepass, so “player count” doesn’t impress me. What was the game’s total cost, including advertising, and what is the total sales?

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S2Killinit45d ago

What a bogus record. The game was on gamepass and MS acted like it was the most amazing thing to show up on a screen since moving pictures.

Its like breaking record for climbing but I took an elevator

mrcatastropheAF45d ago

@shinoff2183 the game topped steam charts from purchases so what are you on about goofy. It was not given to steam players for free and topped charts as a platinum seller.

We can have our opinions on the game but its financial success can't be understated

Games_People_Play45d ago

I never said Gamepass was free.
I have had Gamepass Ultimate on my PC and Xbox. How does that change what I said?

Mr_cheese44d ago

It's like congratulating wiisports for being the wiis top selling game when it was prepackaged with every system 🤣

Crows9044d ago

Yes it is. When an irrelevant disappointment keeps on trying to be relevant...it's sad

LordoftheCritics44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

''Starfield Achieved an Unprecedented Player Count Record.....''

Now imagine all those tears of suffering.

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Sonic188144d ago (Edited 44d ago )

The game is on gamepass. How much did the game sell 🤔

Zeref45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

The ONLY single player game in the top 10... Interesting. Not Tears of the Kingdom, Not Hogwarts Legacy, Not Spiderman 2, Baldurs Gate 3... Starfield is in the Top 10. The way people talk about the game as if it's the biggest flop ever contradicts reality. Goes to show that none of your opinions on this website matters. Reality disagrees. No matter how hard you try to spin this. Starfield came in late and blew every other game that people thought were "better" games out of the water in reality. We love to see it. Congrats to Bethesda and Xbox.

Obscure_Observer45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

"Starfield is in the Top 10. The way people talk about the game as if it's the biggest flop ever contradicts reality. Goes to show that none of your opinions on this website matters. Reality disagrees."

Absolutely! Starfield is an absolute success!

Direct quote from the article:

"One striking observation was that Starfield emerged as the sole single-player game to make it to the top ten on Xbox and PC in terms of average MAU (Monthly Average Users), even without PlayStation data due to it not being released on that platform. This new franchise stood out among a list dominated by multiplayer and cooperative games, where the other titles had an average age of over seven years."

Let them fight the numbers!

fr0sty45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

The game was included on gamepass, was released by the creator of the much-loved skyrim, and so they ride that hype train of "overhyped game from a popular dev that is being given away free to GP subs" to get every person who bothered to even try it for 5 minutes to drive up the monthly active users on PC and Xbox (excluding nintendo and PS5), creating a hype-point to sell the lie that their game is doing good, while still refusing to release actual sales numbers. Can't "fight the numbers" when the actual sales numbers aren't being released...

mrcatastropheAF44d ago

@fr0sty the game was a platinum seller on steam where folks needed to pay full price to get the "its only successful because it was on GP" angle is looking extra goofy rn

Ra303044d ago

Top 10 of what? Currently on Xbox Live its not cracking the Top 40 (41st) of most played games. On Game Pass where you play it free I'm told it can't crack the top 10 (15th) and on Steam its not one of the Top 100 most played. Sure a lot people bought into the pre-release hype as they did with Halo Infinite and jumped in on release but Starfield isn't currently on any top 10 most played list. So maybe back in 2023 just after release the game had good player count but that's no longer the case as Starfield The Game of the Generation suffered the same fate as Halo Infinite did when gamers actually got to play the game they didn't like it and quickly moved on.

Crows9044d ago

Can't fight numbers that dont exist buddy. How much did it sell?

Armaggedon44d ago

People keep jumping on this game. Its okay, they are still giving their time to it. Might as well be playing it

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Petebloodyonion45d ago

It seems they don't take into account Nintendo and it's mucky regarding PlayStation.
Not saying that Starfield was not popular in 2023 but simply saying that this article seems to cherry-pick some data in order to fit the headline.

Zeref45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

This website covered it better. This is the reality. Deal with it. Nintendo is covered properly and so is Playstation. Your excuses don't matter.

https://exputer.com/news/ga...

VincentVanBro43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

@Zeref, read the articles you send.

“ On the flip side, Switch has a few exclusive single-player titles on the top ten list.”

Don’t trust headlines, it is immediately contradicted in the body of the article

You’re full of shit lol

rippermcrip45d ago

Starfield was free to what...25 million? people.

No sales numbers released. Estimates are around 2.5-3 million. We know it dropped out of Steam Top 100 sales after only 2 months.

Good job trying to put down those other games that not only sold butt loads, but actually were GOTY winners/nominees.

Zeref45d ago

Your insecurity is showing because nowhere did I put these games down. I personally enjoyed Hogwarts Legacy much more than Starfield.

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purple10145d ago

Im a ps fan and even I know 12 million true it, surely we can do simple math, steam states it sold 3.8 million so the other 8 million either paid for it on Xbox or tried it included in their monthly sub

But yeh we will never know how many it was destined to sell because gp can make any game seem like a success
If still say 3.8 million on steam is pretty dang good tho

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CrashMania44d ago

You're wasting your time, actual logical thinking and context doesn't exist to these people, they know all this full well anyway. They know it didn;t move the hardware needle, barely anyone was rushing out to grab and xbox to play this, there was no huge increase in GP subs, no sales data has been given (no doubt it will pretty well on steam at least), gee I wonder why. It's easier for MS to to not give any context and talk about MAUs, planets explored, bullets fired lmao.

Crows9044d ago

@palapolonoj

Do some bing searches buddy

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shinoff218345d ago

And known of those games were given away on gamepass. What the sold numbers. Idc about ms player count that's a bs metric

Zeref45d ago

More people played it than any other single player game. Which is all that matters. Go cry about it.

Lightning7745d ago

Just give a congratulations and move on stop being part of the whine crowd around here.

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RNTody45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

You mean games people actually had to buy or that are exclusive to one platform? As opposed to being available on Games Pass to all PC and Xbox players, with extraordinary levels of hype and marketing behind it? Yeah, "interesting", but sadly "player count" may even entail sitting on the main menu for five minutes, as I'm sure it's all those who booted the game. I mean, I played Need for Speed Unbound for 10 minutes on PS Extra, I guess I'm part of the "player count".

Starfield may be successful from metrics like these, but the fact remains that it pales in comparison to all of Bethesda's previous works and is the lowest rated of their titles. If you want to talk about reality, Starfield will be forgotten in a year with a very low engagement: Skyrim, Morrowind, Oblivion, Fallout 3 will live on.

Edit: I'm hoping the modding scene changes that for Starfield. I'm sure someone will have the bright idea of making landing on planets a thing. Who knows.

But if you want to be excited about "player count" over actual sales and critical performance, you do that I suppose.

Zeref45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Yeah i'm more excited about how many people played the game over how much money the trillion dollar corporation made from it.

RNTody45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

@Zeref The point is somewhere across the globe where you missed it. Sales and good critical performance means we get more and better, the developer is likely to grow. Player count in a single player game that is available on a subscription service is utterly meaningless without knowing the criteria, because playing for 10 minutes or a couple of hours and deleting the game can make you part of player count for all I know.

mrcatastropheAF44d ago

It topped charts on steam as a platinum seller where folks had to pay full price to play so despite ratings and reviews the "reality" you are referencing is the reality that Starfield was a financial success.

We can debate whether its a good game and worthy of all the hype it received but what can't be debated is the games financial success.

The game was likely given to over 8 million people via GP subscription and still managed to sell millions on Steam...put a nail in that "GP hurts sales" argument as well while we're at it.

RNTody44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

@mrcatastropheAF Hate to break it to you buddy but Starfield certainly didn't sell many millions on Steam, there are no sales stats available and some estimates put it at 2.5 million copies sold in total across all platforms, which pales compares to previous Bethesda games. Not to mention its active Steam player count, meaning people currently playing the game, has dwindled to numbers less than games like Skyrim, The Witcher 3, Fallout 4, heck even Batman Arkham Knight still has half the average player count of Starfield.

Yet, we can't find any sales numbers for Starfield, so you cannot draw the conclusions you're drawing. You also used the phrase "platinum seller" without defining it. What does that mean? Top 12 sold titles? 400,000 copies?

You cannot conclude the game was a financial success, because Microsoft does its usual of telling you about player count and hours spent orbiting planets but won't disclose sales.

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rippermcrip45d ago

There's no insecurity. I was pointing how how ignorant your logic is when you apply some common sense.

You suggested the game did well because of how good it is, when that had nothing to do with it.

Petebloodyonion45d ago

"This website covered it better. This is the reality. Deal with it. Nintendo is covered properly and so is Playstation. Your excuses don't matter."

Did you bother to check your data?
https://exputer.com/news/ga...

there's a nice graph in the article giving info and Starfield appears as #8 on the Xbox Platform but appears nowhere else (not on PC). As for Nintendo, they validated only USA and UK data and the usual single-player entries are all there (Zelda, Mario).

So again what does this article try to prove? that if I squint my eyes and believe in Santa it will make Starfield the most-played game of all time? the best game played between Date X and Date Y?

Again there's no concrete explanation on how they are gathering the data and how it can be proven fact for the world.
heck here's one concrete data in a similar fashion
According to the games being played by PeteBloodyOnion on his average game time
Walkabout minigolf is the most game played of the year 2023 putting an Indy Quest title ahead of Massive popular games like COD, Fortenite, etc. Walkabout Minigolf is secretly showing that VR is growing fast.

Plague-Doctor2744d ago (Edited 44d ago )

The issue is that the title suggests it reached top 10 overall across Xbox, PC, and PS5. The data clearly shows it was only in the top 10 on xbox. There is no overall top 10 in their report. Also Switch has TotK, Mario Wonder, etc. No idea why they don't count. Also, MAU data is collected by most countries so they just gathered it all together. I'd trust the numbers/data they're presenting

andy8545d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Now see its ranking if it wasn't given away 'free'. Baffles me how much people cling to stuff. It didn't blow anything away. It isn't hard to spin anything, the massive marker is its the only thing in your list you could play without paying anything extra. Also, it literally says without playstation data, so how can they include it in the wording above playstation. So it's just an Xbox and PC list 🙃

HansyJ45d ago (Edited 45d ago )

Incompetent response. On the surface you can say that but behind it all as
Others have explained it in reality was a flop compared to what it should have done

Zeref44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

A flop that sold at least 4 million on Steam and likely has 10s of millions of players on Gamepass or bought on Xbox and was played by more people than any other single player game 🙂

No matter how you spin your theory that it's a flop does not add up. Hard data can't be argued against.

fr0sty45d ago

THIS JUST IN!!! Xbox Series X leads every other console and PC by most drops of sweat emitted from the palms of their players... no data was available for PS5, PC, or Switch, but this surely means that Xbox is #1 above all others, because none of the other systems were even in the top 10!!!

KwietStorm_BLM44d ago

Obviously it was never the biggest flop ever, but it also has a lot of issues that people have spoken on and thoroughly detailed. And it didn't win game of the year or rpg or whatever, so it obviously didn't blow every other game away either. It's really just another Bethesda game at the end of the day.

Zeref44d ago

And yet it was played more than any other single player game 🙂

Gameseeker_Frampt44d ago

@Zeref

Except it isn't "the ONLY single player game in the top 10" - right above where it states that is the chart that shows Tears of the Kingdom, Super Mario Bros. Wonder, Animal Crossing: New Horizons, and Hogwarts Legacy in the Switch Top 10.

Also remember that these reports are put together by analyst groups looking to sell their information to investors. They don't say where they get their information from and most of it is vague guesses meant to impress those who know nothing of the actual video game market. The fact that they are comparing the MAU of 4 different platforms without mentioning the actual size of the userbase shows how flawed this report is. The top 10 MAU on Xbox is going to mean something different than the MAU on Switch which has 4 times as many users

Gamingsince198144d ago

It was top 10 on only xbox ......imagine cheering because it was number 8 in a list of terrible games for xbox. This isn't about the other platforms lol

KwietStorm_BLM44d ago

"And yet it was played more than any other single player game"

You say that as if it backs up any claim you made. It, in fact, did not 'blow every other game out the water.' That statement doesn't even make any sense.

Flewid63844d ago

That's like saying Fortnite is good because millions of junior high school kids are playing it.

I haven't seen a single award recognition for Starfield all year.

VincentVanBro43d ago (Edited 43d ago )

The data was only pc and Xbox. Why would you think tears of the kingdom or Spider-Man 2 would show up?

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GamingManiac45d ago

LOL and how many of those actually completed the game, or even played for more than a couple hours?

Lightning7745d ago

Same can be said for any game. Hell 50% of Baldurs Gate Players didn't even beat Act 1, 10% didn't even complete the tutorial. Baldurs Gate, easily one of the most popular games last year. Full priced, half priced on a subscription doesn't matter. Doesn't change ppls gaming habits. Hey, you would think if you spent 70 you would sit and get the most of out said game. As I said ppls gaming habits have changed over the past decade more distractions and being pulled around constantly. Yes even made worse with something like GP. How many beat it or complete is a redundant metric.

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RNTody44d ago

@Lightning77 You're so right, player count and how many players beat a game, especially on a subscription service, is a redundant metric. However unlike Starfield, Balders Gate 3 can boast very high sales and exceptional critical performance. Once someone buys a game, it's irrelevant what they do with it thereafter. As long as it's not a refund, the sale is made and the developer gets theirs. With Games Pass, playing for 10 minutes and deleting may make you part of the "player count" but it certainly is a redundant metric.

FGHFGHFGH44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

Baldurs Gate 3 is still in top 10 sales on steam and top 10 played games (released before starfield) while starfield is like #300 below games like division 2 and fishing planet

MrBaskerville45d ago

Everybody would want to play it, as everyone played Skyrim. But that doesn't mean it'll have staying power. I don't believe it will have as strong legs as Skyrim had.

Obscure_Observer45d ago

"I don't believe it will have as strong legs as Skyrim had."

No game needs to have strong legs as Skyrim to be successful.

Starfield is nothing but a VERY successful new IP which performed way better in comparison to other big, beloved and well established gaming franchises.

Congrats to Todd and everyone at Bethesda.

I can´t wait for Shattered Space and the official Mod support coming this year

Tacoboto45d ago

What was that figure from earlier in the week, like 60% of game time or something like that is spent on games older than 6 years?

No wonder it's like that, when people think even RPGs *need* to have legs for a decade, immediately when they launch.

fr0sty45d ago

You know a game is doing bad when it has to resort to other statistics like MAU, which can be easily skewed, instead of outright sales, to justify its existence.

MrBaskerville45d ago

But it needs to make money. We'll never know if it did. But maybe a lot of people just paid for 1 month of gamepass and that was that. I'm glad I didn't pay, never want to play it again. By far the worst Bethesda rpg.

Crows9044d ago

You're right...Starfield is nothing but initial success in monthly active users. That's all we know for sure!

Armaggedon44d ago

The downvotes though. These people want this game to be a failure so bad. Its okay, people have been jumping them since fallout 4. People want to strong arm Bethesda into making different games. If you dont like what they make…. Dont play it

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Zeref45d ago

You don't believe it or you don't want it to cuz it's an Xbox game? The game is not even a year old. Hasn't even gotten it's first DLC yet or even official mod support.

MrBaskerville44d ago (Edited 44d ago )

I just get the impression that lots of people were dissapointed. They kinda removed the one thing that gave their games appeal, leaving you with just the jank.

I'm sure there are tons of fans, but it's one of the more contentious releases from Bethesda (still mixed reviews on steam). I'm sure Fallout 76 also have fans, but no one would claim it was a fan favorite.

Crows9044d ago

It's a Bethesda game...Xbox has little to do with it.

ChasterMies45d ago

“One striking observation was that Starfield emerged as the sole single-player game to make it to the top ten on Xbox and PC in terms of average MAU (Monthly Average Users), even without PlayStation data due to it not being released on that platform”

There are too many caveats to parse what this is saying. The article links to a report from “newzoo” that can be sent to your e-mail inbox.

Plague-Doctor2744d ago

What's weird is their data (you can open the report as a PDF) shows Starfield as #8 on xbox and not in the top 10 at all for PC. Also TotK and Mario Wonder, among other games, are #2 and #3 on Switch. Their wording is very strange.

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Why Starfield's Colony War Setting Would Be a Great Opportunity For a Prequel

While its campaign may have failed to impress some players, Starfield's Colony War setting offers fertile ground for Bethesda to explore in a prequel.

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Insider claims Starfield could come to PS5 in 2025 after more Xbox games 'this holiday season'

Well regarded insider, NateTheHate, has said that more Xbox games could be coming to PS5 'this holiday season' followed by Starfield in 2025.

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ThinkThink5d ago

The latest rumor is flight simulator 2024 is heading to PS5 this year.

romulus234d ago

That would be a great game to go multiplat. I would definitely pick that one up on PS5.

OtterX4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That would be an absolutely fantastic score for PSVR2 if they have any VR support plans! MS Flight Simulator (2020) is one of my favorite VR experiences over on PC. Not so much a game, but one hell of a VR experience!

M3talDiamond4d ago

Where is this guy I havent seen him on N4G much lately?

OtterX4d ago

@M3talDiamond - I've been around, just not as much. Fam visiting, and been helping an indie team release a game, so that took a lot of focus. Thanks for noticing! haha

Skate-AK4d ago

I think they were talking about fr0sty's link.

OtterX4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Skate-AK ah ok, I was confused as heck, didn't even know if I should respond bc I legit just came off of an N4G hiatus. XD

So he just responded to the wrong person, gotcha. I hadn't even seen or clicked on Obscure's link til now!

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Ethereal4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I'd be all over this.

Knightofelemia5d ago

Even if the rumor was true and if that did happen. I still wouldn't play or own a game that is classified as open world just to run into invisible force fields.

Rebel_Scum4d ago

Then what is your solution to open worlds that obviously have to have a point where they must end?

Knightofelemia4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Rebel_Scum

Really? Do you even need an answer to your question? The point to open world games is not to run into invisible force fields but to explore ever nook and cranny of the game hence the term open world.

Barlos4d ago

Same here. I won't be buying any Microsoft Games game

Notellin4d ago

Wow you're such a tough and smart guy taking that stance! You're really changing the world Barlos.

helicoptergirl4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I hope you don't mean any and all Xbox games.

If you do mean all of their games, then why not buy a game you're interested in? MS are a 3 Trillion dollar company. People with your stance are not going to make a dent, so you might as well take advantage and enjoy playing on Playstation (the best place to play) with their games AND Xbox games. Who cares about giving them money? It's killing the hardcore Xbox fan that you even have the opportunity to play Xbox games on playstation. So why not indulge. The more games they sell on Playstation then the more games they will port over in the near future. Certain obscure people will die inside along with many others. I'm laughing all the way to the "Games Bank" and I hope you do too.

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DaCajun4d ago

Every open world games have invisible walls. So i guess you never play any open world games. If you don't believe me then you've either never played any Open World game or you never explored every corner of an open world game because there is no such thing as a true open world go anywhere game.

Gotta love a troll, just be honest you're a Microsoft hater. It's ok I dislike Microsoft also but at least be honest why you commented.

Neonridr4d ago

remind me of an open world game that went on forever.. I'll wait.

Rebel_Scum2d ago

ok, so what is your solution then?

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isarai5d ago

If it came to ps+ ill try it, but im certainly not spending my money on it. I wanted this game to be awesome and it just seems so incomplete

Barlos4d ago

Exactly. It's fine to rent it on Xbox so why should they expect people to actually buy it on PlayStation? They don't deserve your money.

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Neonridr4d ago

kinda like No Man's Sky when it first released.. amazing how updates can change a game, huh? Zero reason why this game couldn't be more fleshed out with updates and add-ons.

mkis0073d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Bethesda doesnt have a history of supporting their games after paid dlc ends for very long...certainly not in the realm of no mans sky's free ( all of them) updates and additions.

Destiny10805d ago

send phil, some more dev kits

we need all xbox exclusives games ported before phil shuts them down

neutralgamer19924d ago (Edited 4d ago )

We were often ridiculed by Xbox enthusiasts, but it’s essential to understand that Microsoft's $100 billion investment was aimed at generating profit, not merely pleasing fans with Day 1 Game Pass releases.

Microsoft should consider releasing all its games, including flagship titles like Halo and Gears of War, on PlayStation. This strategy would maximize revenue while still releasing games day one on GP, money which could then be reinvested into the future of Xbox. While a few loyal fans might be upset, this approach makes the most business sense in the long run. Even put forza on PS5 get the sales. On Xbox gamers get these games day on GP while other platforms pay full price. Win win

nzjono4d ago

Huh? "We were often ridiculed by Xbox enthusiasts" Its the other way around, their ship is sinking, and they have known this for some time.

neutralgamer19924d ago

Once these acquisitions were announced, many Xbox fans felt that the primary aim was to take games away from PlayStation. Any suggestion that Microsoft wanted to maximize its return on their $100 billion investment was often dismissed with claims that Microsoft doesn’t need PlayStation or Nintendo to profit from these acquisitions.

Historically, Xbox operated independently within Microsoft, for better or worse. However, with such a significant financial commitment, Microsoft's goal is clearly to maximize revenue. They can still release these games on Game Pass at launch and also sell them at full price on other platforms. While some Xbox fans might react negatively if Xbox games appear on PlayStation, from a business perspective, it makes sense to leverage a platform with a much larger install base.

Phil Spencer and his team are under pressure to grow revenue and profit. It is becoming increasingly clear that achieving this growth solely within the Xbox ecosystem is challenging. Many Xbox gamers now expect Microsoft to cover the costs of games through Game Pass, rather than purchasing them outright. Considering that Xbox, now in its fourth generation, accounts for only 15-20% of overall software sales while its competitors are setting sales records, it is crucial for Microsoft to explore broader strategies to ensure profitability.

neutralgamer19922d ago

It’s the dumbest you have heard because changing of goalposts have been a thing Xbox fans have been doing for decades now. Yea a company that just bought out 2 giant gaming publishers along with many other studios will never be an underdog. Them being in 3rd place is their own fault so now you can consider them a. Underdog Allan’s want while rest of us still see right through another goal post being moved

And maybe you didn’t read but when a console has 70 million sold and another 30 million so why is it surprising to you or anyone else that each gaming site has more PlayStation accounts. Keep punching air since you don’t have any valid argument to stand on

Notellin4d ago

You clowns were never ridiculed by Xbox enthusiasts. They are the underdogs and a massive minority and that statement is made up nonsense.

You guys need to quit playing victim in the fake war of console wars. The loudest fans are PlayStation fans and it's not even close.

neutralgamer19924d ago

The celebration of Activision's acquisition was met with enthusiasm, and any concerns about recouping that investment were dismissed with immature remarks. It's clear that PlayStation has a significantly larger fan base, a fact underscored by the fact that all their home consoles, except for the PS3, have sold over 100 million units. A larger fan base naturally leads to a more substantial online presence.

It’s absurd to label a company that has just spent $100 billion as an underdog.

I don't have a preference for any particular platform (I use a PC), but calling out issues shouldn't label someone a hater or a fanboy. If we can't discuss matters affecting all gamers maturely, we're missing the point.

Publishers are motivated by profit and see us all simply as gamers, regardless of platform. Their goal is to divide us and exploit us, but we often do a better job of dividing ourselves.

In 2024, we should be united to stand against unfair policies from publishers. Instead, we're arguing and failing to acknowledge when our preferred platforms make mistakes. We need to come together for the betterment of the entire gaming community.

Notellin3d ago

@neutralgamer1992

"It’s absurd to label a company that has just spent $100 billion as an underdog."

They're in last place they're the underdog. No way to debate that unless you move the goal posts.

In the case of your example the team that spends the most money always wins and is favored. The dumbest shit I've ever read on this website now by a mile.

Notellin3d ago

Man this is still the dumbest shit I've ever read that has received up votes on this website. But the community here is absolute garbage so I'm not surprised.

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Starfield's new Xbox performance modes are thoughtful and comprehensive

Digital Foundry : Bethesda's Starfield was generally a well-regarded RPG, but the game's 30fps target on consoles was the subject of some controversy. The game's massive scope arguably justified that 30fps refresh rate, with only high-end PCs capable of hitting 60fps and higher, but now Bethesda has changed course and opened the floodgates on Xbox Series X consoles following significant optimisation work. Players can now independently select performance and visuals modes at arbitrary frame-rates. How exactly do these new combinations fare, and is 60fps really a possibility after it was explicitly ruled out before?

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darthv725d ago

900p in performance mode for SX.... I'd assume a 5pro would at least hit 1080p if not more.

jwillj2k45d ago

It’s a point, click and load game. Stop with all the massive scale bullshit. Only thing massive is the number of junk items they decided to throw in the game.

Armaggedon5d ago

Its not BS. This games running more systems than virtually any AAA game. Why else do you think it has loading screens? Besides, the clutter has been apart of their DNA for decades at this point. There are other games out there for people that dont care about that kind of stuff.

Mr_cheese5d ago

Probably because it's been created on a very outdated engine that isn't designed to fully utilise current gen abilities.

You've only got to look at what rockstar games achieve with their releases.

Armaggedon4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Mr_Cheese People keep saying the engine is outdated, even though other engines have built upon past iterations. I think it would be more accurate to say that the engine does not do what you expect to see from a “current gen” game. Red Dead 2 was cool, but its not packing as many systems and permutations as Starfield. People make flimsy comparisons too often: “Look what this open world game can do with its visuals and presentation. Whats Bethesdas excuse?”

Yes, look at what this open world game can do that has no skills or attributes, no building potential and minimal crafting potential, coupled with all of the other variables packed in a Bethesda game. Not mentioning all of the other systems in place, you already have an unbelievable amount of potential variables to calculate. No wonder starfield has loading screens.lol
Heck, I would say that even Fallout 4 in 2015 had more systemic depth than Red Dead 2. It amazes me how much people underestimate Bethesda. Keep sleeping on them.

Mr_cheese4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

RDR2 is a living, breathing world with dynamic weather, full interiors, changing landscape with unscripted encounters, multiple onscreen npcs, wildlife, all with their own functions, animations, skins.

I wouldn't disregard one for the other.

Bethesda is notorious for operating on an outdated engine.

We could even use cyberpunk as an example of a fully open world game with multiple levels of variants.

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Played the majority of Bethesda titles, not sleeping on them, just noticing a pattern

Armaggedon4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@Mr Cheese

Rant inbound. Dont blame you for not reading.

I honestly think their notoriety with the engine is here-say sprinkled with a bit of confirmation bias over the years. For example from a typical naysayer: “Bethesda games have lousy performance and their gameplay is outdated, therefore their engine must be outdated.”

There was one journalist/Youtuber that mentioned something interesting. He was breaking down the negativity behind Bethesda, and mentioned that if there is an issue, its not Bethesda’s engine….its Bethesda.

If there is an issue, it is that Bethesda are very ambitious and seek to prioritize testing themselves to see how much stuff they can put into a game and still have it function without crashing. This ambition can cause them to forget their core audience, and pay attention specifically to what they want. I think thats one of the key reasons why BG3 is so beloved by people, its because the game was in a form of early access for years, and is literally built on the feedback of those that were able to access it. People who play Bethesda games are looking mostly for “meaningful” exploration, cool loot, and environmental storytelling, but Bethesda has honestly been shifting gears recently. It seems they want to focus on terraforming the open world rpg further via building and crafting.

I think Starfield is an example of a solid game, alienating the expectations of the core audience. Bethesda wanted to make this game for years, and they sought out to achieve their ambitions, rather than service their audience. The “problem “ with Starfield is that it is a clash of design philosophy, ery similar to Fallout 76. You just dont try to fit a Bethesda game with all of its variables into a multi world, multi landing zone game space. But they tried it anyway, hence the loading screens and othe supposed issues. I admire their ambition, and I love Starfield, ut I can understand where people that dont like the game are coming from. I just wish naysayers understood the true nature of this game.

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