310°

The future of Xbox: Will history remember 'the end of exclusive games' as the right choice?

A gamble that could pay off, or backfire.

Read Full Story >>
windowscentral.com
Jin_Sakai63d ago

Xbox is pretty much irrelevant at this point and PlayStation will open up a massive player base for Xbox games.

Obscure_Observer62d ago

Yeah, it´s so "irrelevant" that even publishers and developers that used to skip Xbox and keep their games exclusive to either or both Nintendo and Sony, are now heading towards to Series Consoles.

Playstation "massive" player base couldn´t prevent Sony from losing freaking 10 Billion after its latest financial report, and PC which used to be treated as Sony´s *main* competitor according to Andrew House, is now their main partner.

Those are the facts.

62d ago
Crows9062d ago

Another fact for you. Developments is pretty standardized now compared to before.

Many games still skip Xbox consoles.

62d ago
Ironmike62d ago

Sony going to be doing the same watch next Yr

62d ago
S2Killinit62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Xbox has never been as irrelevant as it is today. So much so that they are releasing their games on other consoles to make a profit.

Facts

anast62d ago

It will be up by 20 billion by the end of the 4th quarter.

StormSnooper62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Even you can’t deny that Xbox isn’t what it used to be. They lose more ground with every generation.

derek62d ago

@Obscure, lol. You guys are delusional. The stock went down and it will go back up. PC is a partner? There is nothing to partner with concerning pc, it's is an open platform and Sony will use it as it sees fit.

Markusb3362d ago

imagine thinking anyone needs to listen to the company that has came 3rd place in every gen in every gen it was on the market, xb pretends its driving the industry this is not the case, when you have to say every screen is an xb you know you have to only a 3rd party publisher.

Philaroni62d ago

I don't do this much but I'll make and effort. This is at both Obscure_Observer and Jin_Sakai.

First off, none of the systems are irrelevant. I, myself am getting a bit tried of all the doom and gloom comments. The real facts are yes, MS is in 3rd place (BOOH ooh) they still make cash, good for them. Nintendo is about as healthy of a company that next to never has laid people off when all others did. Third, Sony is being Sony, They are or at least at this time of writing, have understood they can't with the cost of games do things how they use too.

@Obscure The loss of 10 Billion is in market value. That is not just due to them lowering expectations for the PS5 but as products as a whole. Unless you have some Sony stock like I do. It matters little, The market will correct itself as it tends to do. Its just share holders selling when it was high and not seeing it getting higher up. As complex as it is, they do answer more to the NIK then the DOW or others. Much more going on there then just PlayStation as Japan is having some major social and economical issues atm. For some information on how this works I will just quote.

"Market value or OMV is the price at which an asset would trade in a competitive auction setting. Market value is often used interchangeably with open market value, fair value or fair market value, although these terms have distinct definitions in different standards, and differ in some circumstances"

It really means nothing to us gamers, Sony and MS are so far apart in this its a joke to compare. Though I get why gamers see this and freak out.

On the MS side, they got all the capital in the world, right now.. I hope we see it translate in to good games and want the best for it all, though, though history and my personal experience working at MS. Cash does not solve issues, you can have the money but if you don't pay the right person/people to do it then you get nothing out of it, and we don't in the end.

I do think MS is trying hard to be the best version of themselfs in the Xbox brand. Though.... The thing that sticks with me is.... how is it the largest, most powerful, software company in the world still has no game engine of there own? Slipstream failed, hard, Mixer dead. They seem to be as bad as google on just green lighting things and then never really cultivating those who are there.

Cacabunga61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

FF7R? When is it coming to your box?

“ Sony´s *main* competitor according to Andrew House, is now their main partner. ”

Ok so you prefer what, when Xbox is a competitor or a partner?? Cause it’s2 totally different things.. you cannot like both except if you are a brand fanboy only which means you are delusional

Sonic188161d ago (Edited 61d ago )

@Obscure_Observer

Watching you have a nervous breakdown is hilarious. It's like you put all your energy in Microsoft and Xbox and they let you down and betrayed your loyalty to them. Everything you said in the past is irrelevant now 😂

+ Show (10) more repliesLast reply 61d ago
62d ago Replies(8)
TheEroica61d ago

Down with exclusives games... Down with gamers posing as corporate shills... Power to gamers having access to all games without hardware pay walls!

Eonjay61d ago

And then you get to Nintendo who is like 'Hell No'.

GhostScholar61d ago

That’s odd to say Sony will open up a massive player bass for Xbox games when all
I read on here is that Xbox has no games. Also no one said there won’t be exclusives. People said Sony would never put their games on pc but they did. Lastly, Sony fan boys keep Xbox relevant because Xbox is all they talk about. SMH

Eonjay61d ago

If all you read on N4G is Xbox has no games, you might not know how to read lol.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 61d ago
-Foxtrot63d ago

I hate the idea of consoles losing exclusive games, I'd be gutted if Sony or Nintendo started putting their games on whatever willy nilly as you've got to have that special "ooomf" to justify the purchase of each one.

However in Xbox's case they've been heading down this path for years now, not just because of Microsoft's new business goals but because of their own silly decisions. Microsoft buying up two massive publishers paved the way for them to become a huge third party publisher themselves and in years to come more games will come to other consoles

If you think they will stop at just 4 games then you are lying to yourselves

Lightning7762d ago

Nobody suspects they'll ll stop at 4. They're just testing the waters. If they succeed expect more of those types of games to make the jump.

EvertonFC62d ago

"If they succeed" well we know the answer to that already, so basically a 3rd party company in 3 years.

62d ago
62d ago
Lightning7762d ago

@Ever riiiight They're releasing a new gen console.

So much for 3 years I guess.

@landy get lost spam bot.

62d ago
EvertonFC62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

Of course they will have a console, but they will love the profits from Nintendo and PlayStation gamers buying the games.
It's gonna actually be a great move for Xbox, I'm not in the playstation has defeated Xbox camp fella I can assure you.
Playstation fans won't like me saying this but Sony will see the profits MS is actually making and will no doubt offer at least some exclusives imo at some point nxt generation.
It's about profits for these companies at the end of the day and they all love the €/£/$

Obscure_Observer62d ago

"If you think they will stop at just 4 games then you are lying to yourselves"

Well, I believe more games will come eventually. Just not the ones you´re expecting.

They´re already announced their plans to release another powerful next gen system. So to assume they´ll release their major system-sellers on both Nintendo and Sony´s systems is silly to say at least.

"I'd be gutted if Sony or Nintendo started putting their games on whatever willy nilly as you've got to have that special "ooomf" to justify the purchase of each one."

I wonder if Playstation consoles will be worth for you in the future as more and more games will making its way to PC.

I believe Nintendo will be the only one of the big three to remain loyal to console gaming only for the foreseeable future.

62d ago
Philaroni61d ago

I can agree on some of this, the two big ones for me are Killer Instinct, and Sunset Overdrive. My reasons for this is that Sony owns EVO and it could spark a new life in the KI IP to have another, even side matches. Sunset Overdrive is one of the most under played games I feel on Xbox, being it was from Insomniac, and near all of the fanbase was on PlayStation.

Nintendo, well they are fine. I honestly see them doing something with Xbox before Sony, If you know the history Nintendo was a division of Sony many years ago, long before many of us could walk. I don't see them working 'together' anytime soon.

As for the PC part, I'm kind of in a 20/80 Agreement? 20 for 80 against. Most of the people I play with are all on an Xbox or PS4 or PS5. Lots of Steam people as well. My best friend will only play on his big TV and such, where I am here with my Uber gamer PC set up that is outdated.. but I can still play everything rather well.. though it cost me close to *coughs* $2700 back then... As much as I want to upgrade I hate to say it the PC gaming situation has got rather crap over the last few years. If you don't have the technical know how on fixing stuff on your own. That is just not worth it to most people. Can just by an Xbox or PS5 and more or less plug and play.

As for the games on PS making it to PC. So far for me its worked out well, they do a good job of Ultra wide support (God please MS support this, I'd kill for it) and compared to 3rd parties have a better track record of fixing things more in a timely manor. Is it perfect, hell no. But MS still blows balls at the MS Xbox launcher, I been crossing my digits for a refresh. Anyone that has used it alot will know the pain XD.

Nintendo I agree will be in their own place, kind of beside the big two but not against them? Oddly all the MS news as of late and such just keeps benefiting them more then anyone.

EvertonFC61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

I believe we have 1 generation left of hardware, maybe 2 generations for Nintendo and PlayStation but after that it'll be an app on your phone like GP, Ps plus, steam etc and you just flick the app to the TV and your playing your favourite games.
It'll cost the gamer £350 a year if they want Nintendo, Xbox and playstation subscriptions, GaaS, live, early access service games will all be across the subscriptions and exclusives will be timed from all 3 companies with exceptions to some 1st party games from the 3.

StoneTitan61d ago

You just eat up everything that spencer says.
I mean. If xbox does not bring their big games over to ps its over for them. Watch the next elder scrolls. Skyrim sold over 100million right?
Starfield did what? Not even 10. No ps- no bethesda. They are gonna let go more and more people its gonna be a massacre.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 61d ago
MrDead62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

It's funny now MS is multiplatform it's own platform will be it's smallest customer base. They purchased publishers and studios that profit the least from Xbox and now MS is taking control away from Xbox heads and making multiplatform games multiplatform again!?!.. MS is the worst thing to ever happen to the gaming industry so far, lets see what damage their dream of rentals only does to gaming, their horrendous mergers have already crapped on the workforce and left fans of franchises in limbo.

EvertonFC61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

MS won't care when 5m plus Nintendo/playstation fans buy the halo collection or 10m buy the gears games etc etc.
Shit load of cash from playstation and Nintendo with Xbox back catalogue alone then add to that indy, ES6, hellblade 2 etc.

MrDead61d ago

@onFC
"MS won't care when 5m plus Nintendo/playstation fans buy the halo collection or 10m buy the gears games etc etc."

Exactly, Xbox is MS's smallest market. Now that they are buying up the industry firing thousands of devs and making a handful of extremely rich people even richer the Xbox hardware is kinda pointless. Their dream of making the gaming industry into a huge rental service is still the goal, so don't worry your wish could still come true.

anast62d ago

Nintendo can't, it would destroy their console sales. Their consoles are always the weakest every gen.

NotoriousWhiz62d ago

If you exclude the SNES, Wii, and the Switch, then sure.

anast62d ago

The Switch, SNES, Wii are weaker than the PS5 and SX. This is objective.

62d ago Replies(1)
+ Show (3) more repliesLast reply 61d ago
XiNatsuDragnel63d ago

I won't like exclusives for platforms entirely go away because it negs the validity of a purchase.

62d ago
isarai62d ago (Edited 62d ago )

My thing is, making a game exclusively for one console allows the developers to get closer to to the medal, and get more out of their games than other developers on their platform. That's why first party games no matter the platform or generation have always been a step above everyone else, and have spearheaded technology far ahead of anyone else besides the rare outliers like Rockstar.

That has always been a huge draw for me as a gamer, and it would really suck to see that go away.

Popsicle61d ago (Edited 61d ago )

This^. I love that there are some games that are able to focus on one platform and maximize the strengths of the hardware. 1st party games are what push the boundaries of what is possible every generation. I as a consumer, do not want to lose that.

Show all comments (77)
290°

Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

Read Full Story >>
theverge.com
darthv721d 16h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle1d 3h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18811d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio1d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning7719h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga1d 3h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv7213h ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19928h ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21831d 2h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga1d 1h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan21h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit13h ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus2319h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv7219h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier8h ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

+ Show (4) more repliesLast reply 8h ago
purple1011d 5h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos1d 5h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-19h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac1d 4h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad1d 4h ago (Edited 1d 4h ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1011d 4h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic1d 2h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead19h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

+ Show (1) more replyLast reply 19h ago
Show all comments (45)
140°

Why Monopolies In Gaming Must Not Be Allowed

As of right now, there are no monopolies in the games industry, and for the sake of the medium as a whole, they never should either.

thorstein1d 15h ago

Shouldn't be allowed in any field.

Inverno1d 11h ago

And yet the biggest tech companies in America are essentially that. They buy up all the small comps only to kill them off and steal what they have, and if they can't buy em they bleed them to death.

jwillj2k41d 10h ago

Eventually they’ll realize the value is with the employee not the company. Buying an IP means nothing if the people who contributed are let go. They’ll get it one day.

MrCrimson1d 9h ago

tech is different because they buy threats and then kill them. Twitter bought Vine and did nothing with it. Despite people seemingly liking it. Could've had tiktok a decade before bytedance. go figure.

Zenzuu1d 10h ago

Monopolies shouldn't be allowed regardless. Not just for gaming.

MrCrimson1d 9h ago

They buy IPs not talent. That's why these buyouts never work and the IPs die. Right now it's too expensive to develop games - but I expect that to shift maybe as AI tools can make it easier. The best games have been indie games for awhile as big developers fuck their ips to death with "games as a service" -

70°

The INDIE Live Expo 2024 event is to feature over 100 game titles

INDIE Live Expo, Japan’s premiere online digital showcase series , will debut never-before-seen games & content updates across more than 100 titles on May 25th.