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X-Men Games Will Be Sony Exclusives For More Than A Decade, Leak Reveals

Kotaku writes: "From the looks of it, Insomniac and Sony have secured exclusive rights to the X-Men heroes in starring roles as far as video games go, and the deal includes some stipulations that keep Marvel from using those characters in a way that could undermine them."

maniacmayhem133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

Oh boy! Sony is a monopoly and also taking the games out of the hands of gamers and narrowing the market/competition.

C'mon, we know the standard drill when something like this happens.

On a serious note, this could be cool that Sony and Insomniac are creating their own Marvel Universe. The same way the Arkham series did. I'm curious to see how their take on X-Men will be.

-Foxtrot133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

"Oh boy! Sony is a monopoly and also taking the games out of the hands of gamers and narrowing the market/competition"

Marvel went to Xbox for a deal before Spiderman, they weren't interested in licenced games so they went to Sony next.

https://www.videogameschron...

Microsoft had a chance, they didn't take it

maniacmayhem133d ago

Okay, so Sony is still taking the games out of the hands of gamers with these deals as I said before.

What changed?

-Foxtrot133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

You can't take something from someone which was never a thing to begin with, it's a new line of X-Men games, not continuing an old line of established games.

I love the spin though

Microsoft: Buys 2 massive publishers making games like Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, The Evil Within, Doom, Wolfenstein, Quake, Dishonored, Prey, The Elder Scrolls, Fallout etc exclusives.

You: Nothing but silence

Sony: Has some exclusive deals going of franchises that nobody was giving any love to, especially when those franchises last games were years ago and pretty terrible. Basically Sony doing things as a reaction to Microsoft buying up stuff in the industry.

You: COME ON SONY. JEEEEEEZ. WHAT THE HELL.

What do you want them to do? Lie down and die.

maniacmayhem133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

Lmao, there's always an excuse and made up rules as to why it's okay that Sony does it and not MS.

Sony is keeping X-Men and Spider Man games on their own platform. Doesn't matter if there wasn't any before or they weren't getting "the love" they were supposed to.

You can't change a narrative all of a sudden just so you can excuse your favorite company.

Sony: makes exclusive deals with IPs they don't own and keeps them on their system.

You: It's okay, they weren't going to be anywhere anyways! The developers were close with Sony and Sony has a special relationship blah blah blah

MS: Actually buys a developer, keeps their doors open, puts their games on GP that is basically playable on everything and a toaster.

You: OMG MS IS A MONOPOLY AND BUYING EVERY DEVELOPER AND TAKING THE GAMES OUT BLAH BLAH BLAH

**What do you want them to do? Lie down and die.**

Pretty sure that was the same exact sentiment that Xbox fans were saying when YOU ALL were yelling that Xbox has no games or first party developers, but then once again changed the rules saying MS has to grow their developers from scratch because it's unfair any other way.

CrashMania133d ago

Anyone with half a brain and a tiny bit of logical thinking knows a licensing deal to fund and develop marvel games as a first party is not in any way the same as spending 80 billion on publishers to sweep up a dozen or more IPs that have been on playstation for decades in some cases, but this falls on deaf ears of the most brainless fanbase on the internet.

Neonridr133d ago

@Foxtrot - I believe his remarks were tongue in cheek.. If you are outraged at what MS did but not what Sony did, then what type of hypocrite are you?

shinoff2183133d ago

Still isn't on the level of buying two major publishers. If you can't see that , sorry for ya. I'd rather ms had made a couple bethesada games exclusive rather then buying the whole fking company. Sony ain't buying marvel(couldn't afford anyway) they just got some exclusives lined up. Mind you games being developed by Sony studios.

Cacabunga133d ago

Sony knows what it takes to stay on top of the game.. xbox bought finished games from studios and publishers during 360 era but Sony secured licenses and makes the best games out of them themselves!! I talked about 360 era because it’s the best one xbox has and will ever get.

Tody_ZA132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

Maniacmayhem, you're just embarassing yourself with your thoughtless comments.

There is nothing wrong with an exclusive if you invest in the studio, allocate your game engines, resources and tech to the game and have an actual involvement in the development. You know, how actual good games are made. Look how far Insomniac has come since Sony invested in them. Why the hell should Sony invest in a game and studio, take on publishing costs and provide the resources of PlayStation studios and then publish it on Xbox, or Vice Versa?

You can't cry about losing a game that Microsoft had NOTHING to do with. Sony actively made Marvel's Spider-Man happen. You're just deliberately being stupid to maintain your false opinion.

You know what happened when Insomniac teamed up with Xbox once upon a time? They made a game that made $500 profit apparently. Now they're making multi million dollar franchises that are universally acclaimed and moving consoles.

Investing in new games and growing studios is good for the Industry. Buying up publishers is not.

If you can't see that, then you're not worth responding to further.

ravens52132d ago

I don't think xbots are stupid. But boy do they play the part sometimes. Like 🤯

TheKingKratos132d ago

@Maniac

Such a nice name for you indeed

I have seen such a stupid takes on this hell hole but you take the prize for the most dumb one

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darthv72132d ago

......and people were worried about the CoD 10y deal.

SMH

Tacoboto132d ago

Microsoft took the Spider-Man games out of the hands of Xbox-exclusive gamers by declining the deal. Their reasoning was a slap to their players' faces, too - "We don't want others' IP" but then spent $77bn buying exactly that.

Sony, like MS too for the IP they have, isn't stopping anyone from buying the hardware necessary to play the games they make.

So... Blame the owner of the IP for making deals that you don't like, maniac.

badz149132d ago

@maniacmayhem

Nothing changes. So what games are Eony taking away from non-PS gamers? Care to make a list?

GamerRN132d ago

The goal posts changed....

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Christopher133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

If I make a lot of ridiculous claims, maybe someone will believe one of them!

maniacmayhem133d ago

You definitely let a lot of them slide on this site already, why start commenting against them now?

Christopher133d ago

Yeah, I get downvotes from everyone because I don't tell people when they're being hypocritical on any side of the spectrum!

Nice attempt at that gaslight.

maniacmayhem133d ago

No, you seem to actually target certain people on one side with your remarks than you do the other.

But cool attempt at being the victim.

Lexreborn2132d ago

@maniac if you see him attacking one side over the other more. Maybe that’s because you’ve positioned yourself on that side so firmly it’s rare for you to see the other?

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Christopher132d ago

***No, you seem to actually target certain people on one side with your remarks than you do the other. ***

The gall to follow this up with....

*** But cool attempt at being the victim. ***

I've never gotten downvotes for criticizing 'the other side' for a complete lack of news, wasting time on MP elements that went nowhere, keeping the generation on PS4, trying to compete with GaaS companies, etc. Never.

But am I a victim? No. I'm a person who realizes people, like yourself, like to put up walls on arguments rather than actually discuss them openly and honestly.

InUrFoxHole132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

I agree with that. He does tend to target. I r think he's a cop in the real world... lol

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isarai133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

Can't take games out of people's hands if they were never in people's hands. Like what existing X-Men games are they talking away from you? Is there some multiplatform X-Men series no one knows about ?. Having exclusive rights to make new games based on a license is not the same as Buying an existing franchise/series everyone is currently consuming and making it exclusive. Big difference between license and ownership, Also not what "Monopoly" means at all, maybe learn what the word means before throwing it around.

Markusb33133d ago

xb gamers wont play these games anyway, just take a look at how many got to level 10 in starfield

Outside_ofthe_Box133d ago

"Oh boy! Sony is a monopoly and also taking the games out of the hands of gamers and narrowing the market/competition."

When Sony buys the equivalent of Zenimax and Activision in the span of a few years then you can sarcastically makes this this statement. Until then continue to make obvious false equivalencies!

maniacmayhem133d ago

Why, Sony is still keeping games off of other platforms?

Why does it have to be on some type of equivalence scale?

It's always fun to see how lopsided views are here and then the spin when a favorite company is now doing exactly what was these people accused another of.

Shane Kim133d ago

maniac

Besides, in 10 years you can play them on the xbox. We wont be playing any ActiBlizz or Zeni games on PS again.

derek132d ago

@maniac lol, the difference is these future xmen games are being made for an audience who buys games so marvel knows the deal with contribute to the overall growth of the ip. New games that both parties will benefit from, look at Spiderman. Microsoft/xbox is the place ip goes to die so everyone should be concerned when Microsoft tries to buy their way to relevance. We've seen it already with Bethesda and we'll see it with abk. $100 billion spent while xbox continues to fade away into irrelevance. Lol

BeHunted133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

From the recent leaks, I think it's because Disney demands 20% in Royalties from Sony for each copy sold. That's why Microsoft refused the Offer.

ziggyzinfirion132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

No. It was already revealed in previous articles that Microsoft refused the offer because they would rather want to focus instead on their first party titles (Halo, Gears of War, Forza etc.). It has nothing to do with royalties. Disney actually made a better choice in opting to Sony after being declined by Microsoft because their studios more than capable to handle Marvel franchises. Just look at Insomniacs Spider-man compared to when it was developed by Activision.

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Redgrave132d ago

Bro, it is well documented that MS said no to a Marvel offer. It's not taking games away when one guy says no, and the other yes.

It is also not the same as buying out developers, saying games will be available everywhere until the deal closes, then making the games exclusive that were said to be "made available for more gamers on more platforms".

It's a dirty business and nobody plays cleanly at the end of the day, but in this instance it's only because Sony said yes where Microsoft said no.

Asplundh132d ago

People with this "Microsoft doesnt want a Marvel deal" argument know that they literally just revealed one at the Game Awards right?

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1Victor132d ago

@maniac comments

I’m sorry but I think we all missed the news where Sony purchased Disney and lied about keeping their content on Xbox.
Till then your fake rage and equalization of everything Sony get as a (timed) exclusive to Microsoft purchasing a legacy 3rd party publisher is just offensive read without 🤦🏿🤣

OptimusDK132d ago

SONY had a chance of buying ABK but didn't not so different at all

itsmebryan132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

Have you read the leak? Insomniac is now only making Marvel's games til at least 2031/32.
And did you see the schedule? It's like a game every other year and how much for development. They are going to run insomniac into the ground.

I bet they didn't know this would happen before they sold themselves to Sony. They can't be happy being forced to make Marvel games instead of their own games.

Sony made an awful deal with marvel.

RedDevils132d ago

The more you talk, the more fools you make of yourself.

MrBeatdown132d ago

Ironically, Microsoft now owns Activision and their trash Spider-Man and X-Men games.

So I guess if you really want your Marvel fix on Xbox, you can bug Microsoft to remaster Spider-Man 3 or X-Men Destiny.

Crows90132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

I'm sorry...what? You do know insomniac is a PlayStation 1st party right? They're not taking any games away. Insomniac games wouldn't come to Xbox.

Blade isn't being taken away from PlayStation for instance. The devs who are now making the game who traditionally made multiplatform games were taken away but not the game itself. L

Starfield was taken away because as we've heard...Xbox came in and said no more playstation versions. And we all know they were originally planning a PlayStation release ... It's their biggest console base.

Geez ..just read more of your comments...your name suits you. You make no sense

recoctimocassirnff131d ago

To everyone trying to explain to xbox fanboys very easy to grasp differences between what ms is doing and what sony is doing, you're wasting your time.

Their "sOnY dOEs iT tOooOO huUUuUrRR" has been debunked 100s of times, but they just want to remain deliberately stupid.

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VivaChe133d ago

is there not an ethical issue with reporting information obtained illegally through a ransomware hack??

purple101133d ago

I’m going out on a limb and say yes

However
Freedom of internet act blah blah

Once it’s in the public domain its free game for anyone to use

Christopher133d ago

Gaming sites aren't based on ethics. Haven't been for 20 years or so.

Christopher131d ago

@InUrFoxHole: We're an aggregate. It's hard to call us ethical when we are what people put out there. I mean, look, the leaked Insomniac stuff is all over here because it's out there and the community wants it. So, really, the question is "is the community ethical?"

derek132d ago

Nah there is no ethical issue unless a reporting outfit choses to make a stand against these losers who do these things, the information is out there. The problem with gaming "journalists" is their persistent lies and half truths along with a distortion of facts for clicks.

gold_drake132d ago

yes

but the internet is gonna internet does it make it right tho.

Mr Logic132d ago

No. It's unethical to withhold the information from the public.
If someone from the Pentagon illegally leaks information to a journalist and they publish it, then the journalist has done nothing wrong.

ChasterMies132d ago

You mean public information? Usually no issue but there are various data privacy protections depending upon the type of data, jurisdiction, and victim of the data breach. There is also an ethical and legal issue of using data, even public data, to harass someone. Remember that one website that was sued for harassing Hulk Hogan? I don’t.

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Felix_Argyle_Catbro133d ago

Coming simultaneously to PC according to the leak though.

Zeke68133d ago

Jim Ryan is soon gone so that is probably going to change Playstation to less PC-focused.

DarXyde132d ago

Doubt it.

PC gamers are generally pretty warm on Playstation Studios titles (except the Last of Us, but that's just because it was a bad port).

Why would they leave them out to dry like that? I actually think this was one of Ryan's better strategies.

Zeke68132d ago

"Why would they leave them out to dry like that? I actually think this was one of Ryan's better strategies."

Well, maybe because they need to spend more time on their Playstation offerings now when their little GaaS experiment seems dead in the water and with all the trouble Insomniac is in after their hacker situation.
I assume Jim Ryan's bosses are eager to get Playstation games to be their main priority again after blowing alot of cash on PC and other nongame related things surrounding the PS brand.
But we'll see soon enough. Jim is gone in about 4 months so it will be clear with a new leadership how they are planning for the future. We just have to wait and see.
And ofc you think it's a great strategy, I guess you got to play these games for the first time now on your PC ?
Or am I wrong? ;)

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Shiore2u132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

Oh yea, they're just gonna decide to not want to make easy money anymore after purchasing a studio to port games, all because Jim is gone. Corporations are certainly known for their humility toward the sensitivities of brand worshipping troglodytes over money. Lmao.

Sarcasm aside, the whole reason Sony even got involved in porting games was because game spending is down, they're trying to maximize their profit as much as possible to make up for that, which makes exclusivity a hinderance. That's not going to change any time soon.

DarXyde132d ago

Zeke68,

"Well, maybe because they need to spend more time on their Playstation offerings now when their little GaaS experiment seems dead in the water."

You forget they have Nixxes? That is, quite literally, their only function.

"I assume Jim Ryan's bosses are eager to get Playstation games to be their main priority again after blowing alot of cash on PC and other nongame related things surrounding the PS brand."

Sony is clearly managing both just fine. They stagger releases, too and the ports are handle by other studios. It's not a bad deal at all.

"And ofc you think it's a great strategy, I guess you got to play these games for the first time now on your PC ?
Or am I wrong? ;)"

Very wrong. I have a MacBook Pro that can run Dark Souls I flawlessly and Dark Souls II with difficulty on a good day (both through virtualization, and done as a test). I'm not a PC gamer—I don't have a PC. Occasionally, I'll pick up native games to see how they fair (Lies of P, Resident Evil Village) and they run very well.

But PlayStation games? No. None.

Zeke68132d ago

@DarXyde,Shiore2u
It wasn't long ago Jim Ryan himself said they didn't make much on PC Ports, it was a disappointment for them.
And Nixxes doesn't mainly do PC Ports, that's just a media guess. They are supporting Sony/PS in PC related tech like PS Store, infranet structure and stuff like that too.... Backend stuff.
"You forget they have Nixxes? That is, quite literally, their only function." - No it's not!

DarXyde132d ago

Zeke68,

"It wasn't long ago Jim Ryan himself said they didn't make much on PC Ports, it was a disappointment for them."

They're expecting $450M in revenue from PC by end of fiscal year. That is nothing to scoff at. Horizon sold over 3M on PC too, so there's that.

"And Nixxes doesn't mainly do PC Ports, that's just a media guess. They are supporting Sony/PS in PC related tech like PS Store, infranet structure and stuff like that too.... Backend stuff."

Link?

"You forget they have Nixxes? That is, quite literally, their only function." - No it's not!"

Okay, can you share some insights on this?

Shiore2u132d ago (Edited 132d ago )

@Zeke68

The ransomware leak shows that porting costs Sony less than 30 million, and they're expected to make, as DarXyde pointed out, almost half a billion by the end of the year. Nixxes has been porting games since the dreamcast. Quite literally 99% of their existence over the last two decades. No experience of which has anything to do with what you broadly and tech-illiterately stated.

PC ports aren't going anywhere any time soon. You're just going to have to accept that. Economies have ups and downs. Sony is a business and needs money to stay afloat like any other. If you didn't want this to happen then you and others should have forgone eating and paying rent to warrant Sony financially maintaining exclusivity.

Zeke68131d ago

"Link ?"
Alright, we are done. I will never ever need to discuss with you guys again, are you 3 years old and never heard of Google??!!
It took me LESS than 7 minutes to find both articles through Google.
You guys ain't serious at all.
Sorry guys, I'm out. :)

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mkis007133d ago

Nah that is conjecture unless you can find those words.

TheKingKratos132d ago

No they would never do that ... You probably will never see it on pc after Jim leaving too as his strategy wasn't good enough.

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Ironmike133d ago

Isn't this the same as what everyone was saying Microsoft was doing but it's okay now I own a ps5 and xbox and think it's wrong of both companies

CrashMania133d ago (Edited 133d ago )

How is a licensing deal to use a 1st party studio to build games from scratch the same as spending 80 billion to remove decades old multiplatform IPs and cancel PS5 versions of already in development games the same? Please explain.

mkis007132d ago

It's not and it never will be, that is an grade school hot take.

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InUrFoxHole132d ago

It's exactly the same. These companies are takings games and compiling them so you have to use their product. Stop simping for these plastic boxes. But but they're only taking this and that... its all the same my man. These companies don't care about you. Only your $. They're all scum bags. The problem is gamers have taken the bait hook line and sinker. So now we're making excuses for them. What is better for the consumer? Play where you like or exclusives? Xbox is dead wrong and so are sony

CrashMania132d ago

@fox

'It's exactly the same'

No it's not. The rest of your post is just rambling while pretending to be nuetral, but you aren't fooling anyone.

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ChasterMies132d ago

Paying for a license is not the same as buying up game publishers. Robber barons didn’t get rich by buying a license to put logos on their trains. They got rich buy buying up all the tracks.

aaronaton133d ago

Their roadmap looks pretty dull imo, no Resistance or new IP's for a decade then.

Zeke68133d ago

I would love a Resistance Reboot or something like that too, but dull, that roadmap is far from dull imho.

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Square Enix Declares $140m Loss Amid Game Pipeline Shakeup

Final Fantasy VII Rebirth publisher Square Enix has declared a $140m loss based on a shakeup of its internal development pipeline.

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Furesis19h ago

What are they doing over there? Sounds like they canceled something big. I read a rumor a while back about ff9 remake . Here "Final Fantasy IX has gone through a very challenging development, the game is still in progress but may undergo changes drastic enough that we won't hear about it for a couple of years."
This could be one of the reasons if the rumor is true. That was Silknight i don't know how credible he is but it's something and it would make sense.

-Foxtrot17h ago

I hope IX is still on the cards

Just a straight up remake which they expand a little bit nothing over ambitious

If IX dosent happen then VI and VIII will never be thought of.

Kakashi Hatake7h ago

6 and 8 were way more p popular games despite today's cult following of 9.

TiredGamer16h ago

What are they doing? Sales are falling and the costs are out of control. Big releases need to be absolute sales home runs now, and Final Fantasy sales have stagnated.

Now we know why Square didn’t fall over themselves to remake the original FF7 all these years ago. It certainly wasn’t a license to print money, at least not with what the expectations were. Each of these full on remakes drains an enormous amount of company resources for a razor thin profit margin.

TwoPicklesGood16h ago

Breaking the game up into multiple parts was a mistake IMO.

blackblades14h ago

The loses came from cancelling games nothing else.

shadowT18h ago

Do not miss Final Fantasy 16. Great game!

raWfodog18h ago

I'm waiting for them to release the complete edition bundle, but it's definitely on my list.

PhillyDonJawn17h ago

Wth is going on with the gaming industry?

mandf16h ago

Corporate investors taking everything

TiredGamer16h ago

Not rocket science. Compare sales numbers, development cycles, and budgets to the previous gens. We are all collectively burning up the industry from the inside out. Expectations are ludicrously high now for every release and sales are dropping for even the most prestigious of series.

We used to be satisfied paying $50-60 for a game that took 1/100th the budget and staff to make. Now gamers feel cheated if they have to pay the same for a game that took 100x the budget. We may be reaching the end of the line for this model of gaming.

wiz719112h ago

@tiredgamer I think your point is one that ppl don’t understand and you hit it on the nose .. some gamers don’t want to take accountability but it’s some of the gamers fault the industry is where it’s at .. we as gamers set the standards for the industry not the shareholders , ppl forget that the shareholders and the industry want and need OUR Money. Both the Xbox and PlayStation are seeing a drop in hardware , the industry is very stagnant right now.

Tacoboto13h ago

Speaking to Square:

Turns out their mismanagement wasn't related to the western studios they dumped to Embracer, but their own fault.

With regards to Xbox - a good way to kill your brand is to pull support on high quality titles and only dump B and C-tier titles to it

With regards to PC - Epic Games Story exclusivity for any duration and piss-poor optimization will hurt you.

With regards to FF Pixel Remasters - y'all messed up by barely releasing them on physical, like wtf that was free money!

And lastly, you don't help a franchise by releasing a mainline title that undermines every title that came before it. FFXVI was a DMC-like with bottom-of-the-barrel side quests and I can't imagine that helping Rebirth at all considering its marketing is directly tied to how big that game is.

Tacoboto12h ago

Sony is getting their best titles and with the most polish, so what about it? Nintendo gets their top properties too, for titles that can run on Switch hardware.

It's the other fanbases that get the second- and third-class treatment from Square. If that's due to agreements with Sony, that's not a Sony issue but a Square one for accepting those terms. Sony is doing its best to look out for Sony.

TiredGamer17h ago

The industry implosion is continuing. Sky high budgets, prolonged development windows, stagnant sales numbers, and falling currency values (inflation) are wreaking havoc on the legacy industry. AAA games will slowly become the rarity.

CS717h ago

Sad. Rebirth was one of my favorite games in a long time. Should have sold more.

CrimsonWing6916h ago

Oh I’m with you. What’s worse is they can say, “Well we tried to make this amazing game and spend all this money on, but not enough people showed an interest. So no more of these since we can’t take a hit like that.”

The industry is going to take a dramatic shift. Mark my words on this.

rpvenom15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

I think there is quite a large portion of individuals like myself who held out on buying it on PS5 because I can get it on PC eventually. To be able to mod the game and also have custom graphical settings to my liking

gold_drake5h ago

same

but im not sure if it matters at all. im sure they made sony pay a hefty sum for the 3parter to come on ps5 exclusively. so watever they made in sales, might have come bk in profits for square, but i dont know
and we dont know what "underperformed" even means for square.

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Here's Everything I Expect From The Witcher 4's Combat

Danish from eXputer: "The Witcher's upcoming sequel needs to overhaul the series' combat system if it wants to make a big splash among gamers."

on_line_forever23h ago

after what we see ( 2015 - 2024 ) in dark souls 3, blood borne , sekiro , dragon's dogma 2 , rise of the Ronin combat they should really careful and bring very good combat in Witcher 4 this time

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Square & Bandai Namco Being Honest About Quality Is A Step In The Right Direction

Saad from eXputer: "After suffering from massive financial hits, Square Enix & Bandai Namco appear to be turning over a new leaf but I'm still unconvinced."

Nerdmaster1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

I was talking about games with some Japanese guys here in Japan, and it seems like around here Bandai Namco has a fame of making low-quality games, with the occasional gem.

About Square Enix, I believe they lack the capacity to improve. They should learn with Capcom (although even Capcom still makes some bad mistakes), but I don't think they ever will. They keep chasing whatever is new at the time (blockchain, AI...) to say "we innovate", without considering the public perception and if these things actually improve the games or not. Them releasing too many small games with no advertising also shows a lack of trust in its own products. Even with their biggest games, like turning FF into an action game with XVI and the very divisive plot changes regarding whispers and timelines in VII Remake, shows them trying to attract a new generation of gamers without understanding what made the series so big in the first place.

shinoff21831d 8h ago

I want a true ff7 remake. With thatcsaid I'm way happier with 7 remake then I was with ff16. I'd still prefer turn based but square keep chasing these Lil kids

Snookies121d 5h ago

Man, it is perfectly fine to prefer turn based. Turn based is amazing. But there's zero reason to call anyone who likes action games "lil kids". Liking one gameplay system over another does not make you more mature in any way.

VersusDMC1d 8h ago

People love the new FF's overall...the problem is the abundance of 7's they release that lose money or make very little like diofield, star ocean divine force, Valkyrie asylum, harvestella, foam stars, etc. Advertising wouldn't have saved those games. Apparently Forespoken had a big Advertising budget but we saw how that went.

shinoff21831d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Star ocean divine force actually sold well from what I've read not ff type numbers but well enough. Was a dope game to.

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 6h ago

Bandai Namco is going to Bandai Namco, I do believe that Square Enix can't change without changing the entire management, they've had these issues for more than a decade and haven't learnt, I have very little faith they can course correct. I'll still buy their better remasters/remakes like Star Ocean 2 though (not FF7R).

Asterphoenix1d 4h ago

Namco is just milking the same Sword Art Online with lack of budget as well as anime IPs that don't go to decent developers like Jujutsu Kaisen and My Hero Academia. Namco deserves their losses and no future Dot Hack or Xenosaga remaster :(.

Square allocated lot of their budget on Forspoken was a mistake. Square always had management issues. Star Ocean 2 was a great remake and I found their recent entries of FF(16 and Rebirth) better than 13 and 15.
I think they were better than 360/PS3 generation where Square went really downhill.

CrimsonWing691d 7h ago

I don’t know why NOW they decide on this, but I guess later is better than never.