GamingIndians: Killzone 2 Preview - Deserves the Hype

gamingindians.com has gone live with both their single and multiplayer preview of killzone 2. excerpt from the preview,

"Despite some small niggles, Killzone 2 is shaping up nicely. It's very rare for a sequel of a mediocre game to generate as much hype as Killzone 2 is doing, but this time around, the game actually deserves it."

[PoSTedUP]

shut up no it doesn't. what is this for the wii? lolololololololoooooool

[Kleptic]

the music the competition is hearing currently as Radec gathers his troops, leading up to february...and er, just pretend there is no title screen for the game the music is actually from...or something...

[Nicaragua17]

Killzone 2=GOTC(Game Of The Century).It will convert many Xbots into ps3 owners LOL.That's how powerful Killzone 2 will be.

[SONYSLAVE]

but there is millions of gamers that doesn't even know that killzone is a game.

[Kain81]

check and mate

[Why o why]

killzone looks like it will release its unfairly soiled name from the history books with this gen defining gem

[el_bandito]

Indeed. It deserves the hype. The only thing on our minds right now is if it will "live up to" the hype, and I'm guessing it will.

[beavis4play]

sorry, wrong reply.

[Tomdc]

yeh sure... us lot are hyped for good reason, but will the average playstation 3 owner by hyped?

[house]

2009 will sure be a great year for gaming theres going to be a crap load of stuff for the ps3 well looks like i am going to be broke most of 09 jk

[Nathan Drake]

It had the thrill of Gears 1 multiplayer,the tactical element of Team Fortress 2,and the pacing of COD4.

[SRU9600]

...and no Deathmatch mode.

Seriously, why the developers did not include a straight-up Deathmatch mode is beyond me (and beyond lame).

[thereapersson]

no Deathmatch mode? That's odd...

Can anyone confirm this?

[Sarcasm]

"no Deathmatch mode? That's odd... "

There is, it's called "Body Count"

I don't know what that guy above is talking about.

It's also the beta, so they limit the kind of games you can start. I'm sure the full multiplayer will let you start "Body Count only" servers.

[SRU9600]

"Body Count" is Team Deathmatch. I am talking about an "every man for himself" type of Deathmatch.

It's not available in Killzone 2, and that sucks.

[thor]

Deathmatch is rarely played if you think about it. It is fun, but in most team-based games you only play it as a distraction every now and again. Counter-strike is an example of a game where there was no deathmatch, or at least I never played it. But nobody asked for it because it's hard to be slow and tactical when you're running around fragging everyone you see. I never played deathmatch in COD4 and rarely in Warhawk. It's not that big a loss.

Oh and yes it's confirmed that there is no deathmatch mode. Only team deathmatch. The devs listed all the available gameplay modes I think there are:
Assassination
Capture & Hold
Search & Retrieve
Search & Destroy
Body Count (Team Deathmatch)
And you can play any of these on their own, or mix them up within the same game.

[SRU9600]

You can't be serious, thor.

Deathmatch is the most basic of multiplayer modes. It's what many people think of when you mention online gaming.
It is universally loved by millions of gamers, and not including it in Killzone 2 is simply retarded.

I play Deathmatch because I am better than most people at playing FPS games. Forcing me to play on a "team" of noobs and downright idiots really sucks.

[thor]

Yeah but deathmatch is almost always the exact same, no matter what game you play it in. It would get rid of what makes KZ2 online unique. Killzone 2 is designed to be team-based and tactical, and adding deathmatch would not fit with the other modes. Do Socom and Counter-Strike have deathmatch modes? Maybe they're there somewhere but nobody plays them. I don't think anybody plays Warhawk deathmatch anymore.

If you're worried about being forced onto a team of noobs, either join a clan so they're NOT noobs, or just go rambo on your opponents. That's what you'd do in deathmatch anyway.

It's tempting to say they must include it because it's a staple of FPS. But I think it would feel tacked-on.

Of course I wouldn't object if it were included, but I'm not really going to miss it.

[Dark General]

No "Deathmatch" works for me. Team Fortress 2 to me (the best online game i've played yes better than CoD) has no deathmatch in it. It's a emphasis on team play and that to me trumps "I'mma kill everyone i see screw me team mates" that you always see in those deathmatch heavy online games. In fact i applaud GG for leaving it out.

[SRU9600]

I realize that some people don't care about the Deathmatch mode, but myself and many others wish that they would have scrapped at least one of those silly modes and added Deathmatch in its place.

I also realize that many people absolutely refuse to say a negative thing in regards to Killzone 2. Heck, they could announce tomorrow that they are removing multiplayer entirely and people would be on here saying "you know, people don't really play online anymore. I'm actually glad that they removed the multiplayer from the game". lol

[TheExecutive]

Ugh, Deathmatch... Good riddens to bad rubbish.

Deathmatch is completely and utterly lame. Run around and shoot people in the back all the while getting shot in the back, fun stuff

[baum]

But when you have 32 players online, it doesn't make much sense to play deathmatch. It's a chaotic mess and usually the matches are taken by two or three guys, while the rest just keeps dying without knowing who the hell shot them.

I do agree that it was basic though, and they should have added it for whoever wants to try it. After all, it doesn't require much balancing or matchmaking, basically the guns and ensuring most people are the same level instead of ensuring two or four teams are the same level and giving them missions to complete.

[Kleptic]

its by no means 'lame' that it doesn't have a straight up DM...any true class based multiplayer shooter doesn't have that...as it is impossible to have one class that isn't severly overpowered when playing others...

in Killzone 2 that would easily be the assault class...everyone would go that and a VC9 missile launcher...and it would be Quake III with 10 years worth of graphical improvements...

the beta forum addressed this numerous times...the final release may have a full deathmatch option on a custom basis...where players simply pick a faction and a class, and weapons, and go from there...obviously almost every class would be pointless aside from the assault, as the class system is built on giving other players on your own team supportive abilities...

so even if its in the final game...it will still suck...as anyone that didn't have assault unlocked...would get absolutely crushed by those who did...

the missile launcher spamming was bad enough as it was in the beta...let alone making a game mode dedicated to it...but this is a standard situation for class based games...you rarely find a deathmatch option standard, and if you do...its rarely played...

it hurts my brain trying to figure out why someone is whining that it wasn't there...a game that actually forces you to use team work to complete objectives is awesome...to the OP...you were in the beta?...and had a problem with it not allowing you to just run around aimlessly firing rockets at people?...chances are you will get that option in the final release...it just seems so pointless to me based on how the multiplayer is set up in Killzone 2...

[Dark General]

It's not so much a point of me "not caring about deathmatch" it's just that the emphasis on Killzone 2's online seem to be class based team play. It doesn't make much sense to tack it on if the online component they are building up isn't based on JUST running around and shooting. It's like Kleptic said some classes are better suited for running and gunning than others.

It's like imaging TF2 with a death match mode. Everyone would be Soldiers, Engineers and Heavies. No one would be a sniper, medic, spy, scout etc. Just doesn't fit with the game ya dig? As for not saying anything bad about KZ2. Trust me i've taken my fair share of disagree's for saying that the A.I looks sketchy and i hope they boost it more than enough times. I also harked on animations which was putrid at making smooth transitions. Animations have been fixed and i hear the A.I was dumbed down. But i'm still sketchy on the A.I.

[felidae]

WWWTTTTTFFFF? no single player deathmatch in KZ2???

that svcks

[n4gzz]

Deathmatch(not team deathmatch) deosn't really work for games like this. So, I won't be missing anything on that one but I would love to see co-op (split and online). I love co-op as much as team deathmatch.

[thor]

I agree. But co-op isn't coming, neither is any form of split-screen. It's sad, and many people point the finger at an age-old interview where they said co-op "could be patched in" - but more recently they have gone back on what they said and one of the developers himself said that it will not feature in the game and will never be patched in.

If you think about it, it would be very difficult to do. It wouldn't be simple. You'd have to
Rewrite the AI to deal with multiple players
Adapt your existing network code to deal with co-op
Redesign areas of the game - e.g. let's say you go through a door and you become trapped, or you fall down a hole. Now the 2nd or 3rd player wouldn't have, and so would now be trapped on the outside of the door. There are probably countless things like this.
Redo dialogue - a lot of it wouldn't make sense in co-op. This might not _have_ to be changed (it isn't in a lot of games) but they're perfectionists.

Split-screen would take an extortionate amout of work, unless they don't mind seriously degrading the graphical quality. Even then, it's still not easy to implement split-screen.

[thereapersson]

Bubbles for explaining it so well.

[n4gzz]

well, that is sad. I was really hoping co-op online least, but oh well. COD4 is still the best shooter (online) for me without co-op as of now. I think, KZ2 is going to replace that looking at some gameplay. I am going to buy 2 copies anyway, for me and my brother but I will surely miss co-op.

[beavis4play]

i don't need a link, but do you remember the site the dev interviewed on? i'd like to read the article. i thought i'd read everything, but i guess i missed a pretty big interview. i'll check back later or PM me. thanks

[Oner]

In the newest issue of Playstation the Official Magazine they have an article about what games to look out for in 2009 and Killzone 2 is in it. Here is the direct quote

"While co-op is not part of the initial release, don't be surprised if that appears some time down the line as downloadable content, along with a comprehensive Home space..."

I rarely disagree with you Thor but from all info I have found it seems to be opposite what you found. But please give us some links that state otherwise. I would rather be wrong but informed properly then misinformed and thinking I am right ;)

[Kleptic]

I never read a dev saying it was definitely not coming...but agree with you thor, in that its not something that would be easily patched in...nor would that make a lot of sense anyway...that is a major feature that GG and Sony would want in at release, if at all...

it does kind of blow...but I think GG is pushing bots, both online and off, instead...as you can make your own games completely offline against bots...as well as have them fill in empty spaces online too...

which is better is up to the user...I haven't played the single player obviously...and usually never really cared for co-op all that much...Resistance 2 rearranged that though...and Killzone 2 could have some sort of Resistance 2 like seperate co-op...that would be absolutely awesome...

and possibly...maybe something like that is what they are talking about for co-op...utilizing the existing competitive multiplayer classes into some sort of co-op campaign, that has nothing to do with the regular single player campaign...that seems the most realistic option if they are planning any co-op...not just patching in the ability to play the single player campaign online...

[YouNoob]

another mediocre game (just like the first one, which also had a lot of hype) and therefore mediocre sales. ps3, the home of mediocrity.

a basic fps with decent visuals doesnt convince anyone anymore these days. some fony fangirls maybe but you also could sell them poo in a box and say it's a ps3 exclusive and they'll find it great.

[Why o why]

please grow up. If people loved the beta's im sure the game cant get any worse before its release. The next shooter you'll probably be playing worth anything is cod 6 so for a shooter lover like urself its best you hibernate in that dark cave you dwell in until September next year;)

[anubis12]

this, uncharted 2, and god of war 3....that is it

[bviperz]

Don't you wish. Much, much more coming down the road. Fully expect an empty wallet in 2009 and empty bank account by 2010.

[moreover]

i hope all of the ps3 owners purchase it and dont let another R2 incident happen or i will be paying a visit to ur houses. so go buy it.