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10 PS2 Games We'd Love To See On PlayStation Plus Premium

Cultured Vultures: One of the main selling points of PlayStation Plus Premium is the slew of retro games, so we're pitching some great additions from the PS2.

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P_Bomb1128d ago

Had to say SSX Tricky didn’t ya? Now the song is stuck in my head, lol!

MadLad1127d ago (Edited 1127d ago )

Ah.

The luxury of getting backwards compatibility sold back to you behind a paywall. Then hoping the games you actually want to play are even available.

Lexreborn21127d ago

You mean like switch online? Something we still don’t know (which Sony still has time to say) is if when it hits psn. Will it be buyable outside of psplus. Only way I see it not is if those games are 100% cloud based.

MadLad1127d ago

This isn't a Nintendo article, it's a Sony article on the service they're providing their BC through.
And if you can't put an original disc into your console and play that game, it's less backwards compatibility and more just reselling you old games you may already still have.

Lexreborn21127d ago

Well you can’t really do that with any consoles then except ps5/ps4 and Xone/seriesSX. Even on the Microsoft side the BC is half baked for older titles as it’s always been from Xbox-360 to 360-xbone.

The only true bc device to ever exist was base ps3 in the last 13 years. So it’s been over a decade we haven’t seen “true” BC so why complain now?

It seems like you are looking for something to hate that’s been pretty established for a long time now. At some point you gotta let it go and just accept the reality.

septemberindecember1127d ago (Edited 1127d ago )

@lexreborn

Wii U and 3DS were both backwards compatible with their predecessors fully. So PS3 was definitely not the last *true* BC device.

MadLad1127d ago

Um

Microsoft has been supporting BC since the 360 days, when PS3 took it away early on.
Microsoft then took another step and actually updated a lot of their BC titles, and allows you to put a disc and and play it.
Sony is just now allowing again BC, but are putting it behind a paywall.

And I've been talking about this for a while now because as soon as they pulled BC on Playstation we saw countless remasters in their place.

Lexreborn21127d ago

@september I definitely said backwards compatible console. And the Wii U would fall into the same standards of 1 generation prior BC which is a standard for these systems period. The ps3 had true bc as it played every ps1 and every ps2 game without any buffers or limits.

@ted the 360 had a small portion of BC titles as most of the Xbox catalog did not work on 360. That’s partial BC no matter how you wish to spin it. If you are going to down one platform BC as being limited, don’t forget the limits of all the rest.

As I said it’s practically a standard at this point.

septemberindecember1127d ago

"true BC" isn't *every* system. True BC is when it is using a solution that doesn't require downloads or internet services to play. If true BC is defined as complete and total compatibility with all prior systems then the PS3 wasn't true BC either because it wasn't compatible with every game (particularly when they moved to partial emulation but even before that).

I like to keep things more simple than that.

Lexreborn21127d ago

@september then you aren’t keeping it simple at all because you just created several reasons why you define “true BC”. You are trying to over look the point of my example OF the PS3 model that had it. Which isn’t making it any less true since that mode DID support full BC from disc at that as well.

I have stated multiple times, that the BC that has been done since then is partial. Which is 100% true, the systems either only do 1 gen prior or even 40-70% of the titles from previous gens.

BC simply hasn’t been a reality in the console space for over a decade. It’s either emulation, partial BC or none at all. And if you want to keep putting up different make shift reasoning such as “putting in a disc” when that hasn’t been the case for almost 20 years now as there are games that never released on a disc. Which is another reason why BC is a ridiculous thing to squabble over.

septemberindecember1126d ago (Edited 1126d ago )

Simply put, "true" BC doesn't mean it has to be backwards compatible with ALL previous devices. The 3DS and Wii U count as "true" BC devices. Your attempt to create some alternative meaning for what a "true" BC device is doesn't matter.

Also, again, even the hardware-based PS2 backwards compatibility on PS3 had compatibility issues. Some games didn't work. So the "without any buffers or limits" thing simply isn't true.

There is no need to try to redefine what a "true" BC console is for the purpose of some dumb argument against BC. 3DS and Wii U were backwards compatible video game consoles without relying on emulation and they released after the PS3.

Lexreborn21126d ago

@September I can literally find several articles of games not compatiable on the Wii U and 3DS from prior generation. And that list is almost the same of anything you could find to discount PS3 BC (which are games that used special connectors, add ons, slots not found on the device) and if you want to use that as the argument that PS3 couldn’t play everything then that applies to Wii U and 3DS as well meaning from your definition we’re both wrong.

Even though still I have been direct that I’m talking about consoles BC handling. And I haven’t been “against” BC I’ve been actually quite accepting of what the standard has been because I’m not sitting out here complaining about “limitations” on certain devices as a negative.

Example being the original person I responded to.

septemberindecember1126d ago

Clearly you're misunderstanding the argument. I'm NOT discounting PS3 BC. You're discounting Wii U and 3DS BC. So if true BC is complete and utter compatibility with no limitations, PS3 doesn't make the cut. That's not MY definition. That's what YOU are trying to say it is based on your responses.

This is why I said I like to keep things simple. Wii U, 3DS, DS, GBA, Wii, PS3, early PS3 devices are all true BC devices. Xbox 360, PS Vita, Xbox One are not true BC devices. I believe PS5 is true BC with PS4 games. Though iirc Series X/S requires an online connection to begin a Xbox One game, so that would not make it true BC.

Basically, if it requires a download for physical media and/or can't actually play physical media it isn't true BC. True BC is playing physical media with no required online or additional download.

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CaptainHenry9161127d ago

How would you put the original disc in the disc less PS5 🤔

MadLad1127d ago

There's the Xbox Series S, yet you can still put it in the Xbox One, Xbox One X, and Series X, and they don't charge you to do so.

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NotanotherReboot1127d ago

Fifa 2001 , 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 please

SDuck1127d ago

PES was better during that time

Luc201127d ago

That'd be amazing! Imagine being able to play all those DIFFERENT games 😂

jBlakeeper1127d ago

I know it’s a PS3 game but it’s a crime that I can’t play GTA IV in my PS5. It and Red Dead Redemption. And that’s the truth.

SDuck1127d ago

It's fucking dumb to put out rdr2 everywhere and not porting rdr1 alongside it

MrNinosan1127d ago

RDR has been on PSNow for years

jBlakeeper1127d ago

And the version on PSNow sucks.

Gardenia1127d ago

Driver
NBA Street
Timesplitters
SSX
Prince of Persia
Stuntman
Splinter Cell
Black
Maximo
Suikoden

And I'm not even talking about all the remastered that have been released on the PS3 and PS4.

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10 Great Games That Critics Hated But Fans Loved

There’s definitely no denying that some games might have been undeservedly bashed by critics. The reasons why vary from game to game, but there’s a lot of diamonds out there in gaming that have been obscured by plenty of rough.

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VivaChe105d ago

Return Fire (PS1). It has a Metacritic of 71 but it is one of the best games on PS1. https://www.metacritic.com/...

P_Bomb105d ago

Warframe. Started life with a 64 on meta but improved quite a bit over the years. I put north of 1000hrs in.

LucasRuinedChildhood103d ago

I suppose that's just a case of the score not updating as the game slowly got better. The PS5 and Switch versions are 85/86.

BlackCountryBob104d ago

Can we address how odd it is for the idea of hated by critics seems to work at anything below 80%? 3 of these 10 have a critics score of 70 or higher and only 1 has a score below 50.

I would say anything below 40 would be bad / hated, 40-59 is ok but missable, 60-69 is functionally average, 70-79 is good, 80-89 is very good, 90-94 is outstanding GOTY candidate, 95+ is genre defining

LucasRuinedChildhood103d ago

Yeah, Alien Isolation with a score of 79 certainly wasn't hated. lol

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10 PS2 Games Way Ahead Of Their Time

These are the games that championed ideas, mechanics and systems that would ultimately be a much bigger part of the gaming space in the future.

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TheNamelessOne245d ago

FF12 is still my favorite in the series; followed by 7 and 9.

Abnor_Mal245d ago

Same, but I like the original version more than the zodiac age.

Escamotage244d ago

What's the difference between FF12 and Zodiac Age? I've only beaten FF12.

Abnor_Mal244d ago (Edited 244d ago )

@Escamotage The job system mainly, and how you can set up your party. For me in the original late stage of the game I would give my A team the same skills but nerfed. Vaan was my tank/bruiser/soilder, Penelo was my healer white mage, and Fran was my black mage of course. But I gave Vaan the ability to use both white mage and black mage skills but nerfed a few levels under the true mages. Penelo could use a bit of dark magic and Fran could use a bit of white. So if either mate ran out the other could step in, same with Vaan, with the gambit system it was easy to set up that they would complement each other in battle when needed.

My B team was set up similar but a few levels below my A team. Then when my A team got new weapons and armor, their old gear was passed down to the B team.

In Zodiac age you could not do that, in such a degree as I had it in the original.

Relientk77245d ago

Kill Switch is one of my fav shooters from that generation, highly underrated in my opinion.

Green-Smurf244d ago

EA needs to bring back Army of Two

DefenderOfDoom2245d ago (Edited 245d ago )

Red Faction 2001, brought Minecraft .

90sGamingWasBetter244d ago

I'm one of the few people who preferred the original Red Faction to the first Half Life.

DefenderOfDoom2244d ago (Edited 244d ago )

Red Faction came out in May 2001 on PS2 and Half Life came out on PS2 in November 2001 . So I played Red Faction 1st .

SimpleSlave245d ago

1. Indigo Prophecy - No
2. God Hand - Hell yeah. Still is. What a game. But Adaptive Difficulty sucks.
3. Metal Gear Solid 2 - Gameplay-wise, sometimes it was and sometimes it wasn't. The AI stuff was already Cyberpunk fair and Political Miss-information was old stuff as well. Furthermore, these themes don't really play out during the gameplay portions of the game. So they might as well have been a movie spliced into a game. Which is my main criticism of the MGS series. A lot of Talk and hardly any of it is part of the gameplay or affects it in any meaningful way.
4. Dark Cloud - Couldn't say. But Procedural stuff sucks 99% of the time.
5. Splinter Cell: Pandora Tomorrow - The Xbox version sure was and kinda still is. The PS2? Not even close. The Asymmetrical MP was cool though.
6. The thing - The system was kinda cool in theory. In practice? Meh. But it should've been brought back for other games for sure, and expanded upon. At least some type of variation of this mechanic.
7. Final Fantasy XII - While the System was kinda cool. It did lends to your party playing on Automatic. Became monotonous after a while.
8. Kill Switch - Kinda. But Metal Gear, Splinter Cell and Winback already had it first. Then there was Time Crisis.
9. Mercenaries: PoD - You spelled Monster Attack way wrong.
10. Mortal Kombat: Deception: Tobal No. 1 or Ehrgeiz.

Ristul244d ago

I have to agree on Splinter Cell, Xbox version was much better, even the Gamecube version performed better than the PS2 version. But the Xbox version was on another level.

Iceball2000244d ago

What was the differences that made the Xbox version the superior version?

Ristul244d ago

Iceball2000: There are plenty of comparisons on youtube, I would suggest you watch them to find out.

The Xbox verison is basically the pc version in terms of graphics, so it looks and runs amazing compared to PS2, and handles lighning/shadows very well (important in Splinter Cell as you use the dark for stealth). The levels are complete and are not devided into sections like in the PS2 and Gamecube versions. Lastly, the PS2 has longer loading times. That's some of the differences for you, there's probably more that I'm forgetting.

That said, the Splinter Cell games are great on any platform.

Venoxn4g244d ago

Good list, I would include Okami (brush mechanics), Viewtiful Joe (time & zoom mechanics)

purple101244d ago

whoever downvoted these two, isn't a gamer

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Shinji Mikami Wants to Bring Back God Hand Over Any Other Franchise

During a Gamescom 2024 interview with Wccftech, Shinji Mikami confirmed he would bring back the God Hand series over other franchises he worked on

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isarai254d ago

MAKE IT HAPPEN PLEASE!! 🙏🥺

Cacabunga254d ago

strange choice.. game was good but not great.
i'd prefer to hear him say Vanquish 2.

CrimsonWing69254d ago

If they do, you know it’ll be censored.

isarai254d ago

Half the script would not fly today 😅

CrimsonWing69254d ago

lol it’s so true. Man, I miss the days when people could just joke around and not have a care in the world. Nobody took any of this stuff seriously… where did we go astray?

Venoxn4g254d ago

That would be my dream come true: God Hand remake and a sequel

MehmetAlperTR254d ago

Just make a zombie game... Stubborn man.. Do it. Because you are very good at it.

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