PS3 Dev: "It's great hardware-it really is!"

Factor 5's co-founder and president Julian Eggebrecht talks PS3 development and about upcoming title Lair. He also points out why Factor 5 went with Sony over Wii and Xbox 360 and will probably remain that way.

[Jrocks_4_ever]

These developers are starting to get this cell/RSX thing together and then spread the knowledge to other developers. Like i always say and will continue to say.... Its just a matter of time for sony and time is on their side. And when its time RIP to Wii and yes the X360....

You dont have to agree with me.. Go ahead and flame this comment, your only going to make yourself look very stupid and embarrassed in the near future.

JMO....Peace

[NoUseMerc]

I think that Sony has a vision and we just need to give everything time. People forget that the Xbox 360 was facing hard times when it first launched. There really weren't that many games out for it and it had all sorts of problems. The Xbox 360 has been out for almost 2 years now and the PS3 is already almost caught up? Don't you think the PS3 deserves a little credit?

[THWIP]

Sony and the PS3 game devs had MORE time than those working on the 360 launch. Sony and MS started work on the next-gen around the same time, with Sony getting a jump start on R&D for Cell and Blu-Ray by about a year. ALL games begin on PCs, and are then optimized for the console specs/hardware their intended for. To think a game like Lair would look any better, if they'd had MORE time, is retarded.

And no, the PS3 isn't NEARLY "caught up"....not in graphics, sales, or online...NOTHING.

[hfaze]

"To think a game like Lair would look any better, if they'd had MORE time, is retarded."

So in a nutshell, you're saying that optimization of the game code to the architecture it is targeted for WON'T make a game look better??? LOL...

So I guess game developers should shove out thier games half-baked since spending the time to actually optimize the game is retarded...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

OH... I needed a good laugh... ;-)

[blackmagic]

The 360 has been out for 1year and 3months which is no where near 2 years. Also, sony released dev kits to developers during the E3 2005 time period, the same time frame that developers got 360 dev kits and ps3 hardware was finalized over 6 months ago. At E3 2005 games like resistance, motorstorm, lair and killzone 2 were already in development and Sony even released many videos that they claimed were running 'in engine, real time' at that time so really, how can games with 3+ years of development and 2 years with dev kits be considered to not have had enough time? It's just a matter of time, just wait and see. I'm tired of hearing it, sony already got an extra year to get it together. I already waited to see. The time has already passed. And don't give me any of that 2nd gen crap, Resistance was in development for the same amount of time as gears. Gears is the first game epic has ever published on the 360 using a game engine that has never been used in any other game published on the 360 before it. It is a first generation game.

[techie]

We all know the ps3 is harder to work with than the simple xbox360...so why argue who started first - ps3 will be behind for a while. But heres the thing - if the xbox360 is so easy to work with they may well get the best out of it very soon and have no where to go - which isn't that much of a bad thing since the games look amazing now.

But the ps3 is like a block of marble that needs to be chisled away over a few years (just like ps2 - God of War2 looks amazing) to see what can really be made of it.

[TheMART]

Please post this interview, it's too dumb to be true actually, but a good read for a laugh:

"We had huge fights with Microsoft basically going back and forth about, “Please, please, please, please put an HDMI port in there, because only then can you really see the graphics,”

Oh please. That's an insane statement... With component and VGA, you'll be just fine and people won't even notice ANY difference, especially under 60 inch you'll be just fine. Saying you can only really see the graphics with HDMI. WTF dudes, what kind of Sony campaing bullsh!t is that???

Oh wait, that's why Gears of War has the best graphics on the 360 with component... rigghhhttttt Please if you can only say stupid things like this, please shut up. It's like we hear Barbie Ken talking himself

@ Jrocks_4_ever (below)

Ofcourse mate. Gears is the max the 360 will have. Now you made yourself look incredible stupid. Every gen console shows that the games compared the first few years and the last step up so much in graphics etc. Same with Gears. Gears of War 2 will shock you again. It's like saying that Resistance will be the max the PS3 will get. Ofcourse not. But Resistance doesn't look so good as Gears. They had a half year extra on the PS3 games by the delay of Sony launching it. So the games should have been so much better then the 360 versions of multiplayer games. But they don't.

The PS3 is just a videoplayer that can do some games, but not as good as the 360 which is first and foremost a gaming console.

Hahaha Genji looks better then Gears. You're on crack dude. You just lost your head. Genji have you seen the scores and reviews? Hahaha Please. Don't even go there. I don't even trust you in anything anymore you're saying. You're plain lying. Your friend is probably made up. You haven't played it obviously, there are more then enough enemies on screen.

HDMI is not needed period. Every real hardware analist, hardware seller, anyone with real knowledge or someone that can actually really compare

LIKE TOP GAMER who has a PS3, a 360 and all the games available, can tell you all 360 versions of games look better. Period. And he is much, much more trustworthy then you or any other fanboy.

@ scottie2521

Read again. What I say about HDMI and screens is legit info. If you don't think so, argue on points. Sony fans always seem to run off in terms like 'loser' when they know someone else is right. Give me proof what I say isn't correct. Because it is correct, and you'll find out yourself man.

[Jrocks_4_ever]

there is a big difference when it comes to hdmi over component.. I dont know you if you ever got a chance to see Fight Night 3 live infront of you between ps3 and x360, but I just seen it yesterday over my buddys house. I took my ps3 over there and yes MR. MARTY....He said that it does look alot better and more real on the ps3. As far as GOW, that is the max the x360 got, having two years plus of development time with a lot easier system and dev tools. That game is sacrificing a whole lot, Like small numbers characters on the screen and length of gameplay and constant ongoing physics and only four multiplayer online. LOL... The only thing that GOW have is pretty graphics. I could say that Genji Looks better than GOW. Laugh if you want to but Genji is a freakin gorgeous looking game with bad gameplay. And when the gameshows reviewed Genji they said the samething. I have seen it live on my plasma and have seen GOW live on my buddys plasma. GOW is boring and definately over rated. My buddy dont even play GOW anymore. As a matter of fact he was getting ready to trade in is x360 after i showed him what the hardware alone of the ps3 can do with bluetooth technology, memory flash slots, web browser, built in wi-fi, free online gaming, 100% backwards capability, interchangeable hard drive with almost any laptop hard drive, up to 7 controllers at once, upscales regular dvd movies, HDMI(tru HD), no huge add-ons, oh and by the way blue ray built in(which is going to be the next format)....the list can continue, but he didnt trade it in because he called ebgames and gamestop and they said they will only give him $150 bucs for his x360 premium. LOL..LOL... And gamestop also said that they wouldnt except the hard drive in the system...How dumb is that.....Like i said M$ is a freakin rip off.........

Back on subject:
Dont you see the truth in the article??? M$ dont have HDMI now, but have tremendous rumors/truth of HDMI and a bigger hardrive that is still not interchangeable like th ps3 that is coming out. You can't see it because you dont want to see it. M$ is a joke/rip off.

Like i posted in another article: M$ cant compete when it comes to hardware. All they have is good software. A your software is only as good as your hardware. And its showing that M$ cant make good hardware like sony and the software is coming for Sony in the near future.

JMO...Peace

[MikeGdaGod]

i don't understand. you claim the 360 is so much better than the ps3, yet everytime ps3 news is posted you type long ass posts talkin nothing but crap.

THIS IS A QUESTION TO ALL FANBOYS:

if your system is better, why waste your time posting nonsense about another system? why not play your games and ignore stuff that you feel is inferior? all it does is point out how much of a lame you really are.

TheMART you are trully the biggest loser on this site. At least some people try to be objective. You just talk a bunch of bullsh!t.

[MikeGdaGod]

first, you are a Loser. (with a capitol "L")

only losers and lames come on the internet and talk about things they know nothing about. i've read enough of your post to know you don't own a ps3 and don't have a clue on most of the things you post about.

second, seeing how i own a 360 and ps3, i'm hardly just a sonyfan. i like both systems. now that doesn't mean there isn't one i like over another, but i'm definitely not just a sonyfan...especially seeing how i own about forty 360 games. i want both systems to do well.

third, i just bought HDMI cables for my 42" LCD panasonic. i can tell a difference. not just with the picture, but with the sound quality also.

damn all that crap about what you read from this site or that site. i have the products, thats my proof. if thats not enough too bad. i know what i'm talkin about. the question is...DO YOU?

[MikeGdaGod]

in my opinion, fight night, does look better on the ps3. the load times are horrible, but it does look better. this is the only game that i have on both systems, so i can't comment on the rest.

[dantesparda]

"The PS3 is just a videoplayer that can do some games, but not as good as the 360 which is first and foremost a gaming console. "

Damn dude, when you say things like this, it really does make you look dumb, now it may be true that the PS3 was a trojan horse to get the Blu-ray in, but to say that its a video player 1st, is really just dumb. And makes you look a little rabid. Besides if that was true (that the PS3 is just a video player that can do games, than what does that say about the 360 that is only a little bit better graphically? That means it would suck, cuz it can barely outperform a video player, think about what you're saying, sometimes it can be self defeating).

"LIKE TOP GAMER who has a PS3, a 360 and all the games available, can tell you all 360 versions of games look better. Period. And he is much, much more trustworthy then you or any other fanboy."

Dude, you've got to really stop saying this sh!t. I dont care if Topgamer has "Strawberry Shortcake" or "My Little Pony's". What he says/or thinks isn't FACT, but rather HIS "opinion". And besides to act like he isnt biased, is just bullcrap, complete and utter bullcrap, nobody cares what he says except the 360 fanboys. The dude is definitely biased, plain, pure and simple. And Mart, one last thing. Stop repeating the same thing over and over again. You're like a broken record, ("this is a recording") What are you Republican or something? you just keep repeating & repeating the same thing over and over again, til you think, people think its true. And why dont you have your gamertag on here? do you even have a 360?

[Geohound]

"We had huge fights with Microsoft basically going back and forth about, “Please, please, please, please put an HDMI port in there, because only then can you really see the graphics.”

Yeah uh, That's pretty dumb.

Hopefully this title will be stellar and push me towards buying a PS3(after a price drop or two of course)

[NoUseMerc]

I think you guys miss the point. I dont think he means that you can't ahve nice graphics without HDMI. You have to know that Lair will showcase some of the most advanced character models around with HDR lighting and all sorts of layering. To truely see this in its max form you must have HDMI for 1080p graphics.

If HDMI wasn't that important why is MS coming out with the new Black Xbox 360 that includes HDMI?

[Jrocks_4_ever]

just dont want to realize that ms is dumb when it comes to hardware. And in all ms is trying to play catch up by trying to imitate greatness.

JMO......

[blackmagic]

Virtually every comparison between HD-DVD picture quality and Bluray picture quality have gone in favour of HD-DVD despite the fact that the most HD-DVD players don't have HDMI outputs (the newest models excluded).

In terms of the Movie Industry, Sony owns Columbia pictures, Tristar pictures, MGM, United Artists, Orion Pictures, Screen Gems, Triumph Films, Destination Films and obviously Sony Pictures which makes up approximately 30 percent of the entire movie industry. In terms of the Music Industry, Sony owns BMG, Arista, Columbia, Epic, RCA Records, Legacy Recordings, Sonic Waves and obviously Sony Music. This represents apporximately 26 percent of the music industry.

Now the big picture is analogue outputs CAN NOT be secured with digital rights software. Digital outputs such as hdmi CAN be secured with digital rights software. If you were a company that owned about a third of the movie industry and about a quarter of the music industry would you be pushing hdmi with DRM built in or unsecured analogue? Keep that in mind everytime you hear Sony touting HDMI as the second coming.

[techie]

Agreed - but it is the case that although the picture quality may not be too improved over hdmi -the sound quality definately is. Every site I've read about different outputs says the sound quality is improved greatly - and so for true hd sound you need hdmi output - plus it helps for the picture quality as well.

Also most reviews have said fight night looks more realistic on the ps3 - better sweat and skin etc (except the clothes aren't as flowing as on xbox360 apparently) but whether this is down to capabilities of the hardware, or merely more time for the developers to fiddle is another question entirely...

[Genki]

I thought it was a good interview, mainly because it's nice to know that there are quality developers that are utilizing the PS3's hardware exceptionally well. While that's basically to be expected with a console, it's really just cool to hear a developer speaking out positively about their work with the PS3. This is especially relevant among the myriad of hardware related negativity that storms the internet seemingly on a daily basis.

I'm particularly interested in the Sixaxis controls for Lair and Warhawk though, as the results are somewhat curious. If this control style is a success similar to the analog stick for the N64, I wonder if it can breathe new life into flight-related games. Whatever the case, I just hope it's well executed, because I think it would be tragic for a game like Lair to be sub-par. I hope to see more good come from Factor 5 in the future.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Marty the problem is that only a few TV's support 1080p over VGA and Factor5 uses that resolution. Face the truth, analog is last gen and shouldn't be in a next gen console.

[TheMART]

Bullocks

Only a few TV's accept 1080p VIDEO over Component. Games isn't a problem. Second. VGA does it all. 1080p Video or 1080p games. There is no TV that doesn't take that.

HDMI only limits the playing of video in the future. It's a copyright sh!tty system.

Plus: Who the heck owns 1080p HDTVs? Like no-one. How many games again on the PS3 that are out now are in 1080p exactly? oh hell none, all 720p mohahaha

Face the truth. HDMI is not needed this gen. Next gen 1080p TV's might be getting normal. But are people going to put in screens over 42 inches in their normal living rooms? makes no sense if they're about 2, 3 up to 5 meters or even more away from the TV. For real. Be real.
Don't follow Sony's: true hd starts with 1080p and HDMI bull. They'll just give you 720p games and there is really no difference at all

@ OutpostCommand (below)

Then why is it that Top Gamer, who has PS3 and 360's plus 1080p screens together, concludes that the 360 still has better graphics. the best images, the best screens in general on component/VGA?

Plus: games won't be available in 1080p that much, if not almost any in the end (all PS3 games at this point in time released are 720p also). I don't know about you, but all HDTV LCD screens from Samsung, their latest 26, 32 inch and above have VGA as far as I've seen. Maybe those huge DLP tv's in the USA not but we don't use them overhere in Europe.

Ofcourse 1080p resolution is higher, but if the games don't support it, what the hell? If people don't buy a 4000 dollar/euro 1080p TV for the coming years, who cares? For real. Be real. HDMI isn't needed this gen

[OutpostCommand]

Mart, it goes like this:
HDMI >(Difference is barely noticeable though) Component > (By a MILE) VGA.
Mart, stop acting like a noob, and face the fact:
VGA sucks.
I will take HDMI or Component ANY day over VGA.

And what are you on about few TVs accept Component ?
If anything, getting a HD VGA TV is almost impossible.
I brought my TV last year, and even that doesnt have VGA (Accepts DVI + HDMI)
Mart, unless you are talking around 2003 era TVs, I have not seen a single HDTV which accepts VGA.
VGA isnt dying-
its already dead.
PCs dont use it.
TVs dont use it.

EDIT_1: Oh, and Mart - you sound like someone who hasnt seen a 1080p image in their lives.
1080p > 720P BY 45 MILES !
Sure, 720p is nice and dandy, but 1080p looks far better.
Hell, my TV only accepts 720p and 1080i, and 1080i looks better than 720p.
I have seen a 1080p imagine on another TV.
I can assure you, the difference is more than noticeable.

[hfaze]

"Plus: Who the heck owns 1080p HDTVs? Like no-one."

I think you'd be surprised as to how many people own 1080p HDTV's... Now that Westinghouse has theirs down around the $1000 range... I picked one up to replace a decrepit (made in 1989) 32" TV, and never looked back...

"How many games again on the PS3 that are out now are in 1080p exactly? oh hell none, all 720p mohahaha"

Check your facts... Ridge Racer 7, NBA '07, Gran Turismo HD Concept, with MUCH more to come... You probably won't see much as far as 3'rd party 1080p games, but first and second party games there will be MANY more...

"Face the truth. HDMI is not needed this gen. Next gen 1080p TV's might be getting normal. But are people going to put in screens over 42 inches in their normal living rooms? makes no sense if they're about 2, 3 up to 5 meters or even more away from the TV. For real. Be real."

If HDMI is not needed for this gen, then why is M$ rushing to get a newer rev of the 360 out there with an HDMI port, hmmmm??

[Grown Folks Talk]

people are just waiting for the good games.

[Captain Tuttle]

Right on GFT!

[miasma]

He says the "symmetric" design of the PS controller is "very important" and suggests it's better than any other out there (XBOX 360). I disagree. I own a PS2 since launch and the PS3 (controller) is the same, I think the symmetric design is good, i recently bought an XBOX 360, and have no problem problem with that controller at all. Or, do i have any problems switching back and forth between the different orientations. For me it isn't that different.

[rowdy 1]

sucks the x button is way to close to the start button

[miasma]

ya just have to excersise some control over your "rowdy" fingers...

[THWIP]

HERE is what the 360 and PC fans get, instead of that one-dimensional "Warhawk with Dragons" crap: http://www.projectoffset.co...

http://www.gametrailers.com...

Download the videos, and prepare to weep, Sony drones.......your Lair can't compete.

[NoUseMerc]

Lair isn't one dimensional. Not to mention Project Offset is a completely different game. Plus, Project Offset is coming to the PS3 and PC. so ha. Pays to know people on the inside.

[THWIP]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xb...

That was 6 months ago....it's now rumored MS will be publishing as well. Sorry kiddo, but UR wrong.

And yeah, P.O. is a completely different game....because it's MUCH MORE than a dragon-sim.

[Siesser]

I was about to say the same thing; Project Offset is still listed as multi-platform and coming to PS3. If that changes though, it will be the game that makes it worth it for me to go and buy a 360. Other than that one, there aren't any exclusives I feel I HAVE to play.

[THWIP]

Show me ANYTHING from their website, that mentions the PS3....one WORD even.

I'll save you the trouble...it's not there. ;)

[Siesser]

I'm not stating that it's not going to happen; just that it hasn't been announced. They still have reviews and blurbs from Playatation magazines and sites on there, and they haven't stated that it's exclusive to the 360 platform, which is only mentioned once on the site. The possibility of it being exclusive is very high, especially since Sony seems to lack the sense of when to throw money at a project (you all know which one), but until it's announced . . . it's a rumor; not fact.

[NoUseMerc]

MS is not the publisher of Project Offset. Actually, yes I know they denied it, but Team Offset has signed with Blizzard and Blizzard will be publishing the title on the PC and PS3. Blizzard has also gone into talks with both Sony and MS about publishing future titles on the consoles but inside word says that they have chosen Sony due to the independent server system that Sony allows its developers.

Blizzard doesn't want to give up Battle.net and with the PS3 you can use it still for your games!

[Captain Tuttle]

Just release the game. The previews reek of mediocrity. Put it out there and let the people decide.

[The great 1]

The origional was brilliant, so i have no doubt the sequel will be great also, give it up Mart you have never played a Playstation 3, you said Jrocks_4_ever - that you don't trust a thing he says anymore, what a laughable comment, it seems many people gave up taking anything you said seriously a long time ago, Fact is Genji is better than Kameo which launched with the 360, Resistance is better than Perfect Dark Zero, COD 3 is better than 2, Full Auto 2 is better than 1, RR7 is better than 6, pre and simple the PS3 launch had better games, it's obvious your a guy who is either paid to write crap for MS or your 40yobv (40yearoldbigvirgin) because on this site like 20 hours a day and you comments make you sound retarded like a part of your brain is jammed or soemthign and keeps reciting the same crap over and over GET A LIFE.

[THWIP]

Comparing Genji to Kameo....which are NOTHING alike, and saying COD3 is better than COD2. Show me ONE REVIEW that gave COD3 a better score than COD2 ; Treyarch screwed that game up so bad, it's pathetic.

[TheMART]

Why then Greaty, are the scores of the 360 launch games all higher then the PS3 all time low scores??? Tell me that one.

You're a laugh also: COD3 is better then COD2. Yeah it's a year later, a version later. COD4 will be better then 3 duh. Best thing is, COD3 on the 360 is better then on the PS3. But gameplay on COD2 SP was better then COD3 I can assure you.

Go watch the reviews on PS3 launch games and 360 launch games. You'll be sh!tting your pants

[DJ]

Factor 5 actually pushed MS to included HDMI, and they refused? Kinda sucks that Microsoft built their entire system around analog output (-shudders-). It still bugs me that people state "PS3 devs had more time" after saying how much harder the PS3 is to develop for than the 360. You'd think those two facts would kind of negate each other. =P

Great interview, and I'm glad they're trying to fine-tune all the gameplay aspects. A lot of people at TGS complained about using motion sensing for ground combat, which shows why it's so important to preview these titles early on.

[rowdy 1]

will be rocking in time the devs will share information to make the games better. I think thats awesome. I'm still playing RFOM and Ithink that game is top notch. The online is great too. I likethe whole sony online platfrorm its pretty cool. I really think its going to take off just fine even some of my xbox buddies liked it and the way FNR3 played and looked .

[malachi23]

Hey Mart mate, i don't know why you bother.....your right in everything you've said in here...but i think that Sony has got to them first.

Once you've been brainwashed by sony then you don't come back from it.

[PS360PCROCKS]

well from experience, HDMI for my HD cable channels REALLY makes a difference on all fronts...but I still think it's stupid for him to say that their not developing a game because of no HDMI, sounds more like a "I Love Sony" comment than anything. Although when 360 came out I didn't even have a Hi-def TV and it forced me to buy one and seein how I didn't need HDMI, I got a TV without it. But now that I have a nicer flat screen LCD with HDMI I really wish Microsoft would have included it, cause it really does increase picture and sound quality. So I do applaud Sony on that, cause GOW looks better, but Resistance looks slightly sharper on my tv, sigh oh well. Props to Sony. BUT I still love the games I'm getting, I think their fantastic and look great and I'm having a kick in the ass with my system so i'll leave and let you all fight over this because no matter what you say I know I won cause I'm happy.

[MikeGdaGod]

I had my ps3 for a while now and just got the HDMI cables. HDMI does improve sound quality for sure. I really noticed a difference

[Maddens Raiders]

I'd bet my ranch that you've never played Genji and the only things you know about it are what you've learned second hand. Beautiful game, parts of it (fire, waterfalls, forests) rival the realism and HD clarity of your best offering and exceeded my expectations. Now I don't want to jump all over you mate, but why don't you try playing and enjoying a title before deciding to vomit all over it based on conjecture, hyperbole and hearsey. I can't wait for Genji II on PS3. It's gonna be a stunner!

Now Factor 5 has been around video games for quite some time. They cut their teeth with Nintendo and chose to go with the PS3 over the "mighty" Wii. This is very telling, as Eggerbrecht is no Johnnie- come-lately to this biz. It seems as if some of you 360 die hards are quite miffed about it and it's caused quite a stink. =] Well why don't we let Lair speak for itself. Again only the the real PS fans like myself will be playing the game and therefore, will be the only true posters worthy of sending in feedback. This is a joke for you guys to try and slash and burn every single good story about the PS3 as if it is actually damaging your inner child. You're worse than a rabid Rwandan death squad looking for fresh "child" blood. Why? because the PS3 is still a li'l baby. Just barely coming into its own and developers from Bethesda, to Evolution, to Factor 5, and even EPIC* are starting to see what this *baby can do. Yes, being a SNE fan means we have to wait. But if prior console wars have borne out anything: Its that GOOD things come to those that wait. Cheers.

[Contra26]

good news for PS3... I'll buy this system later on... probably when Xbox 360 library slows down.... or maybe when I get bored of X-LIVE..if that's possible... and when PS3 cuts it's price....

I still think PS3 should have been release 2008 when developers figure how to use the damn system.

Real gamers play for gaming experience. Nerds go for specs.

[Violater]

Project offset is pretty bloody impressive and as a PS3 owner i hope it isn't an xbox exclusive for long

[GaMr-]

If anyone ever calls you a fanboy let me know. I'll gladly put them in there place.lol Good post bro and some of the most level headed statements I have yet to see on this site. I can see why you have six bubbles .... (Yea im bubble envy) ahahaha

[PS360PCROCKS]

Thanks man, appreciate that. I try to do my best with good comments. I actually love the PS3 I got both (its my roommates) I just prefer my Xbox for now, it's got great games coming. But lair, holy hell I REALLY want that one...

[PS3alltheway]

360FaNS
M's is making another Black xbox 360 just keep up with Sony PS3
M's is Desperate he'll do anything just to keep with SOny

''yup thats right pactch up to catch up''
"upgrade to catch up"
" Add on to catch up"

He'll Sony Ps3 just lauch 2 months
Now M's is desperate WTF!!! cmon M's u already got 1 year lead isn't that enough? damn 1 year lead with over 37 countries ship of 360 yah almost 100 360 games but what only one game that is worth it GoW 2 yers in the making short story framerate sux 4v4 online fawking overrated shyt.

[PS3alltheway]

Future Proof Bluray cost alone $1000 built in PS3

One thing i really like about Sony is like

like father like son
Ps2 to Ps3
Ps3 to Ps2

there not just going to next gen they go beyond far Next Gen

SONY 4 LIFE
fawk 360
Wii is For Kid like theMart just play Super Mario

[Master of Menace]

1 year lead is not enough. 10 million sales is not enough. Playing catch up will not be enough. In fact the new Black XBOX 360, simply highlights the shortcomings of the old XBOX 360.

[Captain Tuttle]

Stay on topic. It's no surprise that you're already down to 4 bubbles.

[Retard]

HDMI = 7.1 Audio; FTW period. Exactly why it's called NEXT GEN, cause we have YET to catch up to it.

[bagjuice]

Something sony enthusiasts seem to overlook is that the future of movies isn't HD or BR, it's on demand. Xbox Live is far ahead of sony in that department. Rentals and DVD purchases have been dropping with the onset of cable boxes and xbox live providing online content. The days of physical media are over, from mp3s on your ipod to movies on your console.

As for HDMI vs components. It's definitely one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Side by side analysis have always favored the 360. And I'm happy MS opted for _512_ MB VRAM as opposed to the PS3 256. Their textures will always be superior and coupled with free antialiasing, the graphical prowess of the 360 is clearly ahead. As far as physics and other processing, perhaps the ps3 can fight for a win.
The only reason Sony opted for HDMI is because of HDCP, if you want your stuff DRM'd by the rootkit gangstas at sony, go for it. Scratch your $30 Sony Pictures BR disc so you have to buy another one.

[techie]

The ps3 has 512mb - its architecture is just different and that the cell can function a lot without need for ram - its just a new machine with new capabilities - I dont think shouting numbers is going to make a difference - there are ways to get around things.

I mean the ps2 only 32mb ram - and look at what God of War can get out of that! Bloody riding on the back of Pegasus, and a huge statue in the background while you kill 10 foes around you!!! If there's a way then devs will find it - it's just a different way of thinking and coding.

[power091999]

Fanboy's aside.

We want BOTH systems to do well. Trust me on this. The more competition there is the better games/hardware/support we will get.

For you Sony/360 fanboys. I understand where you guys are coming from I too am very loyal to certain brands/companies. However when it all comes down we want both consoles to do well, or our gaming experience will not EXCEED expectations, it will only attempt to meet them.

My honest opinion of course.

[DoctorJohnson]

Its all about the games, and 360 is leading the pack as of yet. HDMI isn't really needed... just look at the Wii, who is kicking both the PS3 and 360's ass in terms of sales. Apparently 480p is still valid.

I think Factor 5 has just sold their souls to Sony, why would they talk bad about it?

As for the black xbox 360, there is no confirmation of it yet so people need to stop referring to it as a done deal.

[OutpostCommand]

You state 480p is still valid...well, actually, is it ?
I have yet to play a HD game (1 month until PS3 in England).
However, im pretty sure once I get to play games in 720p and 1080i, I wont want to go back.
Im all the more sure this will be more the case in 2 years once the Wii starts to really show its age.
JMO.

[Anerythristic26]

Everybody in here should really take this article with a grain of salt , it's a dev working on a PS3 exclusive title ( it also seems they want Sony to make them an offer on thier business. )

Of course they are going to give glowing praise to the PS3 they are practically Sony employees.

Sorry guys I really feel that threads like this should be for the PS3 fams. These statements are akin to a Sony Exec praising the PS3 , UH DUH , lol.

[Montrealien]

Awesome, the PS3 will show its tru power...with time. So like I always said, I cant wait to buy one, in 2-3 years, heck the PS2 is a bettewr buy atm.

Also to all you "One system to rule em all" people. You guys waste you breath everytime you claim one system is better then the other, a tru gamer does not care, hence you guys are not tru gamers, you are brandwhores...get it? got it?

[THAMMER1]

This guy is trying to sell his game. PS3 fans should beware or the HDMI and Blu Ray thing being promoted as an advantage. Because it has no credible effect toward the how well a game turns out.

Blu Ray is just a storage format. HDMI is only an all in one cable. The advantage here is not a games related advantage it is only hardware.

Ex: HDMI and Blu Ray will not remove the jaggies from Motor Storms flames and back ground characters, nore will it remove the jaggies and poly textures from R: FOM. Blu Ray is just a DVD with extra storage capablities but it still dose not keep FNR3 from slowing down or G.R.A.W. and Rainbow 6 Vagas from being delayed 6 - 9 months for the PS3.

Sony has fooled you guys.

[Anerythristic26]

In effect 360 is getting a bunch of timed exclusives because of the BLU RAY issue. That can't be good for Sony.

Edit: I know the 360 is getting GRAW 2 at least with a 3 month lead time. Is this a Blu Ray issue ?

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

It's a cell processor developer issue. Go to youtube and find X-plays review of Gundam, Untold Legends, and Genji. Horrible considering they were PS3 exclusives developed specifically for Cell.

[THAMMER1]

Is 100% correct. SONY *sigh~ =[

The CELL is powerful but it is not a chip that is made for GAMES it is really a server chip or number cruncher. So games games can be made on it. But it takes allot of extra coding. And the textures and and technical crap has to be spread all over the disc to counter the slow BR read speed. I see the lynch mobb coming for me I've said too much.

[techie]

What are you talking about? You can't quote three games that had bad gameplay and claim that its the systems fault. That's just stupid - that's simply the developers crappy game.

Genjii looks absolutely beutiful - but its gameplay is poor.

It has no grounds on the capabilities of the hardware. Stop nit-picking and go and play some games!

[Runnin n Gunnin]

Great post Thammer, props to you. Its all about the software which, at least in this point in time, is with the 360.

[techie]

Yes it is about the software - but the good old Thammer implied it was the hardwares failing...when clearly at least genji looks incredible.

[ApocalypseShadow]

gears of war won't remove the large brick,the intense heat,the loud accessing,the updates that brick your system.TOUCHE!

i'm glad factor 5 found a system that melds together what they want to accomplish for flight games.i can see namco making the next ACE COMBAT with motion control.can't do that on 360.poor shame.or any flight or racing game.

the ps3 was built for anything that comes around:

motion control

ps2 controller comfort that doesn't make you have to start over relearning controls.

LARGE hard drive swap

card readers,wifi,web browser,video thumbnails,cool photomode.downloads,flash slots,1080p support,large media disc,BUILT-IN HIGH DEF PLAYER.you name it.sony was ready for anything that comes.and still has BETTER BACKWARDS COMPATABILITY THAT WII AND 360 PUT TOGETHER.

then there is the eyetoy.what if you don't want to use any controllers,sony pushed that tech better than anybody.microsoft is still playing catch up.

people like mart knock the ps3,but it is the ps3 that was made to be future proof.he knocks the fact ps3 has problems with older high def tvs.but the system was MADE for future tvs.but can be patched for older tvs.he knocks 1080p.but now microsoft is saying"look at us!"we have a patch that upscales to 1080p."totally killing the idea that 720p was the be all for devs.he knocks hdmi,but future tvs are going to have it if he likes it or not.analog is on it's way out.hmmm...360 supports analog.hmmmmmmm.....

any way you slice it,microsoft is patching and upgrading its system to just compete with what sony is already offering BUILT-IN.and as for hd downloads,it's the future,BUT NOT THE PRESENT!it will be years for everyone to get on that bandwagon.and sony's got that covered too.more movies,more music,more games.and ps3 has a cell chip that can push 12 simultaneous hd videos in your face without struggling a bit.starting to look like BACK TO THE FUTURE 2 when marty's son was watching tv.360 can't do that.that's fact.and when that content comes to ps3,xbox live is going to look small.that's the truth.

as for top gamer,why should we care what he has?doesn't change the fact that ps3 was built to be future proof.and has 2 consecutive wins when it comes to gaming with ps1 and ps2.

[Grown Folks Talk]

that phrase is garbage. both CPUs & GPUs will get better. unless the ps3 can upgrade these items with a system update, then it's not future proof. technology will continue to improve.

[THAMMER1]

Your missing the point. All I am saying is the HDMI and Blu RAY will not fix the software. The Software is made by developers and the CELL and the RSX not lending them very much flexibility that is why the games look like they do. HDMI & BR can not help that at all.

If you bought a PS3 good for yo but the internet is not the place to look for purchase security. Oh and you comment about the bricked 360's do not bother me because it dose not effect me. I've had the same on since 11/05 and it works great.

The updates help it run smoother you do remember when Sony released the update to fix backward compatibility right? Now for PS3 owners who have an internet connection have better and smother running PS2 games. Both console maker put out updates you douche bag. It is a awesome feature do you not agree.

Oh yeah you do not have to try so hard DOG. I am not here to hurt you so do not act so threatend.

[ApocalypseShadow]

is faster and can do more things than ANY chip out there.that's fact.IBM doesn't support any other chip but cell as future tech.that's fact.12 hd streams can't be done by any other chip out there.that's fact.it doesn't need to be upgraded.i will admit the gpus for both systems will get passed up real quick.but that was a given.it has always been the case.but sony covered it all.microsoft just patches and patches and adds-on what should have been built in.built in is always better.that's fact.and cheaper.

[Grown Folks Talk]

the xbox was bettet than the ps2. built in hard drive, built in controller ports, built in ethernet. no memory cards, multi-taps, or network adapters to buy. the cell is strong, i know this, but it will be outdone as well. it's a matter of time.

[DJ]

http://img405.imageshack.us... =]

[ApocalypseShadow]

i'm not threatened.by your tone,it would seem that YOU are threatened.since you couldn't disagree about what i said,then i must have hit a note.you wanted to dis ps3 with the jaggies,i dissed 360 in THE PS3 SECTION.which is where YOU ARE. you then had to attack me.then i would have to come back with something like"the only douche bag i see would be your mom."but since this is a new site,i'm not going to go there.(wink)

if factor 5 likes ps3,then that's their choice.lair looks like it has potential and i can't wait for the results.i would like to have a motion control game.it looks like fun.and i'll leave it at that.

i'm not the one who claims he's unbiased but comes in the ps3 section ALL THE TIME TO DIS PS3.

[Runnin n Gunnin]

Come on man, don't pull that "YOUR IN THE PS3 SECTION!" Sony fanboys come into the 360 section and start flaming news about the 360 also. Everyone is going to speak their mind and add in their 2 cents and there is nothing you can do about it. Just have fun and debate your side, which your doing pretty well at.

[DoctorJohnson]

It all comes down to the games each system offers. I would beg to differ on the 'one console to rule them all' arguement.. everyone has a preferred system! Does this make a person a fanboy since he/she only sees one console that fits his/her tastes? Absolutely not. Besides, if everyone had all three, why have console wars? Talk about take the fun out of it. The 360 would be mine because it has all the games I am looking forward too. PS3 has nothing for me and the Wii has nothing for me. Motion control means nothing to me but if you like it, more power to you. A true gamer does not diss anyone for liking one console in particular over another.

As far as the whole gaming industry goes.. well its up for debate.

[THAMMER1]

O.K. the point is I posted facts and you ranted and slammed the 360. I only stated that PS3 fans have been mislead to believe that HDMI and BR would improve the way the games the buy play and look when it is not a complete fact that they would.

Yeas BR and HDMI are nice and convenient to have in your new console. But your defensive rant was lame. DJ posting pictures of games as if I'm slamming the PS3. WOW! You guys come out of nowhere with you defense campaign. Nothing I said was false.

Just to summarize all my post in this thread. I work in a customer focus group for one of the largest banks in the world. HDMI and Blu Ray are being used to net you into thinking you need them to make your video game experience better and it is not completely true. We and other companies like Sony find way to try and out shine our competitors and tings like this are the cheapest way to do it. And Sony is one of our largest portfolios if you must know.

The Cell is not made for the propose of video games. It is possible to code games on a server chip. Why do you think developers are having so much trouble? And yeah things are getting better but D@MN would you really want to wait for G.R.A.W. 2 and Rainbow 6. You already missed the first G.R.A.W. 1 unless you’re not a total tool and played with a friend or owns a 360 your self. Now G.R.A.W. 2 gets Delayed O.K. you can not be happy for real. But if you are COOL, you are a true PS3 fan and I could care this much (-1,000,000,000) but you expect me to stay in the 360 section and not tell the truth you got life messed up. I have not bought a PS3 yet because I not like that. I only buy what I really want. The PS3 needs a face lift. (In my opinion) But I do have friend with them and I play quite often.

Feast on knowledge here. http://www.research.ibm.com...

And the truth is Lair seems to be fun but if the PS3 was magically $300.00 today it would not be on my list at all. This guy in the article is using the catch or niches of the PS3 to sell you even harder and I'm sorry if Sony got you there but we all have free will to buy what we want when we want to.

And any HD TV you buy has a VGA input you can get 1080p for your 360 through VGA. But you really do not need to game in 1080p either it is just another niche. I am not trying to stop people from buying the PS3 at all. I just am *not a nonobjective reporter I’m a banker who happens to love video games. I tell the truth about the 360 too. It is just that it dose not have many negatives out side of the glichy boxes from time to time, not that is pretty rare now. I have had 3 friends with bricked and replaced 360’s and one friend with a PS3 disk read error. Hey stuff happens. GOOD TIMES I will stop saying PS3DO. =]

LOL a peace offering. Enjoy the vid. PEASE LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I'm a joker but I'm for real.

[NoUseMerc]

PS3 will kill all competitors. A company like Sony knows what they are doing!

[Runnin n Gunnin]

"PS3 pWn$ f@gbox 1.2 and wii"

[ApocalypseShadow]

that's what any dev would do.get more people to get ps3.get people to buy his game.

as for 100% support of ps3,i support games first before any company.i played 360 for the first six months though,there were no games i wanted except for ffr3.but i hate EA.microsoft wanted a fresh start,but put out the same type of content.so i decided to not upgrade from my xbox.(we won't even talk about them not making games for it.)

anyone can see just on hardware,not software,HARDWARE.that ps3 has more built in it than 360.it should because it came out later.i'm not saying it's better than 360,but having everything built in is cheaper and has advantages.something microsoft decided to abandoned.i also like japanese type of games.which sony has in spades.when 360 gets action games,real ones,i'll have a 360.but not before.

but yeah,that ps3do was a comment that a hater would come up with to bash the system.i have not come up with any names for 360.and never will.same with power of green and his n64 graphics comments.which is ridiculous.so many gamers bashing a system before it can get its legs.if i'm defending anything,it's that sony should be given a chance to prove themselves like they did twice over.

and to make this LONG comment relevent,CAN'T WAIT FOR LAIR!and i do like jokes.grillstation and spacestation3 were funny.just like that 360 cooking scrammbled eggs.

[neogeo]

I don't understand how we compare the power of a system by they sloppy ports EA does while on the can. Anyway can anyone tell me what 360 game looks better then the Gran Turismo HD concept. I know its only a concept demo, But it already blows my 360 out the water. What about Motor Storm? Anyone seen the final version of that! if 360 even tried to attempt those physics the frame rate would drop to a stand still.
I'm not a sony fanboy. I'm a nintendo fanboy. I'm stuck with a 20 gig ps3 that I can't sell but I gotta admit its starting to grow on me.

[kornbeaner]

the 360 just can't really deliver the same gameplay Sony can.
Sony is a Hardware Company, not software thats why it takes so long to master their system, but it has a much longer Lifespan then any console, God of War 2 should be a perfect example of the staying power of the PS brand. MS is a Software company that's why they are able to give developers better tools to make games look great sooner, but the Staying power is just not there. Look at MS past with the PC world and you'll see. DOS, DOS3.1, DOS 6.2, Win95, Win98, WinME, Win 2001, Win XP, Win vista. All these OS's have come out within the last 15 years all about 3 year shelf life. Don't get me wrong the GPU in the 360 is great but the machine scream Minor Upgrade. The PS3 even if it is forced screams were trying to do next-gen, Blu-Ray, Cell, Almost everything needed built in a system ($600 sku) HDMI. Sony is pushing a lot on a gamer and even forcing them to adopt some yet un-proven formats, but at least their looking into the Future. What's so next-gen about the 360 The GPU and what else. DVD been there, 3 core processor intel has a quad-core out, and Cell is a 7 core (8 but the PS3 version only uses 7). Rumble Controller done that (though i miss it for some games). I gotta buy extra accessories if I decide that it fits my needs. I do have a lot of respect for the box MS put out but they are not a hardware company they have no idea what it takes to have staying power with hardware. That's MS's game, They don't make power they make it more accessible and easier to control. PS3 has the opposite problem they have a Gorilla, but they have no way to unleash it quickly. The future is now and you can't go wrong with either machine, especially if you like a grand spectrum of games, but the PS brand has shown Staying power and while the 360 does have the lead right now will it be able to turn this marathon into a Sprint cause that's the only way they are gonna win this generation of war.

[Contra26]

shut up ... 360 owns all...
hahahahahahahaha
PS3 owners are stupid... because they coulda saved their money and wait for games to come out..

ATTENTION ALL YOU PS3 owners: you guys are stupid. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahh aahhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hah

the heck..... everything about the PS3 is ugly... the price, the look, the luanch titles, the controller (lame), and especially the Stupid people who bought it at launch....

[DJ]

Whether you believe it or not, that's cool. Apparently PS3 devs have access to all 7 SPEs. The OS requirement, get this, is 5% of one SPE. That's it! Tiny compared to the preliminary info that came out. I'll try and find the post again for link purposes, but yeah.

[kornbeaner]

Just like you 360 fanboys love to get nickeled and dimed.

"I want Wi-fi" + $100

"I want to view HD-DVD, but don't want to get a HD-DVD player, I'll get the 360 Add-on" + $200

"know what i have a bunch of Digital pics and MP3's on my SD card, Guess i need the Flash Card reader" + $50

"I need a Charger to Recharge my Battery pak for my controller" + $30

"For some reason i find the urge to want to dress up my 360 cause it's so ugly to look at out the Box" +$20 Per face plate

Good way to save money.

[Bullseye]

To all those guys that keep harping on about the virtues of Hdmi sound improvements, i'd just like to remind you of something. From an electronics point of view Digital is great, it convenient, easy to produce the chips,manipulate and compress the data and store on convenient media types eg CD, DVD and so forth.To electronics 'digital' sound is a boon. However, it is worth noting that ALL sound is ANALOGUE in nature and the way human beings hear, is also anoluge. Never be fooled into thinking 'digital' sound is superior,because there's no such thing as digital sound.Digital is great for getting large amounts of analogue sound into a 'digital representation'of the original sound, but thats all it is, an approximation of the real sound nothing more... Oh BTW PS3 is a relatively powerful machine, relative to other consoles that is.It also has some advantages over 360, but graphics will never be one of those advantages.Unless of course, they change the graphics card installed.

[THAMMER1]

You do not have to buy all that stuff. I down load HD movies for the 360 video marketplace at $4.25 each. So you really do not need a HD DVD drive at all unless you really want one.

Please do not bring up the charge and play packs on the Internet if you’re going to add an extra $10.00 bucks to the true cost. People can just go to amazon.com and get the real price and find out that you are a lie. 3rd party companies offer good ones for $14.99.

The SIXAXIS has an internal battery that is rechargeable by USB adaptor but after 9 - 12 months it mite die and you will need to buy a new one all together just to go wireless. That $50.00 bucks a year could go to an XBL membership. *zingg

Also if you want wi-fi the 360 is also compatible with 3rd party USB wifi and you can find them as cheap as $30.00 also at amazon.com

If you have flash cards and SD cards chances are you have a PC or a MAC with windows you can just stream that stuff from there.

It is not that people are slamming the PS3 is just that the PS3 has all of that stuff extra and most people just will not need it. And kids who play video games really do not need that stuff.

I know in real life you may not be this kind of person but I see from your avatar that you bought a PS3. The Internet will not give you purchase security nor will spreading lies and inflating menial issues. Your PS3 should do that with out any thing extra I know my 360 dose. I play at least 4-5 games out of my 15 360 games to choose from every day online and off line. GOOD TIMES

[Bhai]

Next-Gen = HDMI + More-Disc-Storage + Motion-Control + HDD

.......end of story !!!

[zonetrooper5]

I will keep it simple:
HDMI
HD-DVD
Blu-Ray
1080P

^^The above are all not needed for this generation of console gaming.

[LightofDarkness]

FIRSTLY:
Will all fanboys please SHUT! THE! F**K! UP! FOR HUMANITY'S SAKE!!! They're going to start chlorinating the gene pool, and I'd be inclined to agree. So please, do us all a favour and evolve a little. I am so sick and tired of reading these comments day after day and seeing a bunch of loud mouthed little tools with nothing more relevant to say than "PS3/X360 pwns j00 PS£/X360 fanbois LOL oversold feature+ oversold feature+ oversold feature= tr00 nexT gen eat it LOLOL." They're video games consoles. Not major religions or two sides of a 3rd world country fighting for food. GET OVER IT.

SECONDLY:
I happen to own all 3 consoles, as well as a nice high end PC. It's not because I'm rich, but becasue I'm a college student who knows what he likes and how to get it without taking out loans. I love all 3 of them. They all have a unique feel to them that's even apparent when playing cross-platform games. But obviously, I have a favourite. And right now, it's the Xbox 360. Not because I'm a devoted Micorsoft fanboy or a scheming marketeer employed by Bill Gates himself, operating out of a shady motel room in a remote part of New Jersey. But because right now, it has better games. As well as better looking games. And better online capabilities. And a more comfortable controller.

I have Resistance, FNR3, GT:HD, Motorstorm demo, Full Auto 2(somehow) and Tekken 5. Resistance is a good game. It was blown WAAAAYYYY out of proportion by a lot of PS3 fans and it damaged the game by making it live up to unfair expectations. But it's still good. The graphics do really let the game down. Let's face it, when you're making a first person shooter, one of the most important aspects of it is the graphics. It's the first thing people look for in an FPS. FPS games are all about pushing technology, especially graphics (see: Wolfenstein, DooM) and they have been since the beginning. It's all about immersion. Graphics help achieve the aim of immersion, but Resistance's let it down. If this were a PS2 or Xbox game, I'd be much more impressed, because that's what it looks like: a high quality game from the last generation of consoles (just one or two obvious impossibilities on a last gen system).

As for HDMI vs. VGA vs. Component, it's kind of down to preference, but a lot of the HDMI argument is moronic and seen through rose tinted glasses. Sony's marketing of HDMI as being "essential" to true HD gaming is a blatant lie. PC games have been playing in HD for years over VGA with no problems, and the Xbox 360 is doing it now, if it were so essential they'd have included it in the box. The truth? HDMI is just Sony wanting heavy copyright protection on top of it's beloved Blu-Ray player. They're not giving you HDMI support because you asked for it and they're just being nice guys, looking out for their fans and being a helping hand to the consumer (as many of the fanboys in the post would have you believe), it's about them being stingy and protecting their intellectual property in any way they can. It's also about winning a format war so they can make more money. If it somehow manages to help consumers, it's just a happy coincidence. Don't ever, for one second, think that a major corporation is on your side. They would sell your soul in a fraction of that second if they could. Ever wonder why they left it out of the box? Because that's clever marketing. Telling you you'll need it to get a true next gen experience out of something you've just sunk $600 into, you'll race down to the nearest high end retailer and buy one at a ridiculous mark up("what's another $50 on top?" you'll ask), as opposed to Sony putting one in the box at factory cost and missing out on some more green. And IMO, VGA looks way better than Component, and the majority of the industry agrees. Component's more like a HD capable composite, subject to a lot of noise distortion (of course quality varies between cables).

The Playstation 3 is not bad at all. It's quite good. But it needs good games NOW. Sony talked a lot of smack about how from day one it will outshine the competition but it hasn't. Fanboys need to stop arguing in Sony's corner about every little thing right now, because you only diminish yourself ( as all fanboys do) and your favourite product. You can argue system power until you're blue in the face, but without any software to back it up you have no legs to stand on. Maybe VF5 will help turn some heads and showcase the machine's real abilities. I mean 360 fanboys need to give it a break, you didn't actually think Resistance was the best the PS3 had to offer did you? Even GT:HD (which doesn't look that great, IMO, lots of obvious trickery), much lauded by graphics wh*res who don't know much about graphics, isn't close to the system's real power. That's why it was canned and released for free. I have Heavenly Sword, VF5 and Motorstorm pre-ordered online, (I live in Ireland and have no access to these titles via retail yet) as I firmly believe these titles will raise the PS3's standing from arrogant but rusty returning champ to serious competitor once again. Now if they'd just add a few more things like working friends lists to the online service (i'm not saying copy Xbox Live, but do something, it's like a wasteland) then we'd be on track for a winner. As I've said before, maybe the PS3 will be the true winner this gen, but right now it's my white knight in shiny plastic armour.

[neogeo]

You may be correct about HDMI not looking all that much better. Truth is I like the warm feeling I get when I look at that fat gold, Digital cable sticking out the back of my beautiful LCD. not to bring up that My room is set up so perfectly and sexy with a black TV, Black PS3, Black surround sound system and black controllers. There is no way your going to talk me into get a ulgy, goofy, 360 clunker and a extra HD.DAVID box. It would make my room look last gen. Setup is important also keep in mind. I i have a female over to my pad the first thing she does not think is. WOW this guy is a big geek with all this game crap laying around. looks are important to me. even I sony never makes another game again I will be happy with my blueray player.