When is 30 fps Okay for Consoles?

With PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X having so many games out of the gate with multiple performance options, it's important to consider the implications of different frame-rate targets and how they impact the experience.

[isarai]

When it's not a very fast paced action game or racing game, but these days it's better to just give the option.

[darthv72]

Having played games since Pong, i never really had a problem with it before. Looking back at some of the games that i really felt could have used a boost to their fps... alien vs predator on the jaguar is most definitely one of them. I think that was like... 15fps and if it had been 30 it would have been a whole different experience. Just thinking about it at 60 sort of freaks me out. Those aliens were pretty damn fast even at 15 so to think at 60... yikes.

30 works if it is meant to be some cinematic experience. I am getting rather spoiled by the addition of performance modes in modern games though. So lately I have been enjoying more games upwards of 60fps or close to it.

[anubusgold]

twisted metal one and 2 in multiplayer the game would drop down to single digit
frame rates.

[TheFirstClassic]

Back in the late 90s we just dealt with low frame rates. Perfect dark is so hard to go back to on the n64 now, but at the time people accepted it because it pushed the limits of the system so well. Somehow ocarina of time still feels ok though, despite being capped at 20.

[outsider1624]

Been playing since nintendo days. I've never had any problem during the ps1,ps2 days. Infact i never knew whar fps was..lol. All i ever did was enjoy playing games.
Anyone remember the original Shadow of the Colossus on ps2? Damn..the frames really dipped on that one.
Anyway for fast paced shooters, 60fps is required. Most of Sonys first party games run really smooth even at 30. Cant wait to check out the 60fps.

[bouzebbal]

This...
The focus on fps is so stupid imo... No game would beat a good old Streets of Rage..
I don't notice any difference playing at 60 or 30.. Tlou remastered felt exact same as ps3.. All I care about is a smooth fps, no lagging during highly crowded scenes

[anubusgold]

@TheFirstClassic I had a pc back then as well and no those single digit drops was bad as well. Doom and wolfenstein if i was getting frame rate drops was that bad i would have said eww and dropped detail to get a better frame rate. Even Oregon trail had better fps than that lol. For shooters i was playing unreal tournament it had a pretty good frame rate untill some one shot the redeemer at you that would cause the frame rate to lag.

[ABizzel1]

with the CPUs no longer being the limiting factor the option for 60fps should be in every game. 30fps is acceptable for RPGs and slower-paced games, but 60fps should still be an option.

[--Onilink--]

And even for those types of games, if you just played something at 60 (or even turned on the 60fps mode on that game), 30 feels and looks janky as hell.

I played all of Watch Dogs Legion without much of an issue because I basically focused only on that game.

Started Spiderman at 60fps and then decided to try how the quality mode looked and had to immediately go back to 60 haha (even though I had no issues on PS4 the first time)

The more games continue to come out with a 60fps option, the harder it will be to not notice how janky 30fps really is

[StoneyYoshi]

It's a matter of your eyes adjusting to it. Hopping between the two will be the most jarring way to compare the two. But if you were to play something at 60fps and not touch it for weeks and go back into it at 30 fps, it wont be as noticeably bad. It's a huge difference in feel but 30fps is still a perfectly fine frame rate for some games.

CP2077 is a good example. Game started out at 60FPS for me but once outside in the city the FPS tanked to about 40-45. It initially was annoying but I eventually got used to it after an hour or so.

[ChasterMies]

Agree 100%. I played The Last of Us Part II and Control Ultimate Edition on PS5 at 30fps. Both games have slow moving protagonists and 30fps looked fine.

[ApocalypseShadow]

When the developer believes it is the best course of action for their game. We can run in circles thinking something should be better. Be it graphics, frame rate, more objects on-screen, resolution, better A.I., etc. It's the developer's game. Don't like it, make your own at 60fps.

And, contrary to all the BS, 30fps is playable. Don't let anyone make you believe it isn't.

[Jin_Sakai]

30fps is awful on OLED. I say just give us an option to drop resolution for 60fps.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Depends on what you expect from the developer's game. I had NO PROBLEM playing Ghost of Tsushima exactly as Sucker Punch released it. 30fps. 60fps NEVER crossed my mind. It only would cross it if it ran at 5fps which is unplayable. That never happens in the game.

Would it be great that all flat games were 60fps? Sure. I'm aware of what it does.

I would love all PSVR games to be 120fps with super graphics. But the developers decided what worked for their game. Some run 90fps. Some run 60fps and are re-projected to 120fps. You can see that some games aren't exactly smooth. You can see detail increased and more polygons on-screen at lower frame rates. Will I complain about it when the lesser frame rate games are hella fun to play? Nope. I'm going to play them because the developer decided that what they did, their vision of the game at a certain level of detail, works at a lower frame rate.

We can all sit here and expect all these games to run at a certain level. Or expect the developers to give options in their game so that you, the player, can decide graphics or speed like PC. If they can offer that, then great. But Gamers need to check their expectations when it's not their game being made.

Or, they can go to PC where they can play with frame rates all day. I'll just be playing to have FUN. The main reason a game is made in the first place.

[The_Sage]

Movies are filmed at 24fps. That's why better tvs incorporate 4:4:4 pull down. I actually prefer 30fps for cinematic game.

[JackBNimble]

Most gamers have no idea what fps a game is, only the few hardcore gamers have any clue .

I'm willing to bet half the people here on n4g can't tell a 30fps game from a 60fps game.

[Atticus_finch]

Get a better TV my dude.

[arkard]

@atticus better then an OLED? Which is what?

[sagapo]

Did you use gaming mode? Runs better imo. Never had an issue on my oled to be honest. Is it an LG? Although other brands use the same oled screen as LG, they use different image processing, perhaps that’s the problem in your case.

[GameZenith]

I'm sorry but technically 24fps is also playable but would you want that?

This is why I jumped to PC gaming in which 60fps is the minimum and I can reach up to 100+ fps.

[Kornholic]

There is no 60fps minimum in PC gaming. There are people with budget specs that are happy to reach a stable 30fps.

[StoneyYoshi]

"This is why I jumped to PC gaming in which 60fps is the minimum and I can reach up to 100+ fps."

This is entirely up to your budget. not everyone can afford a system that can run everything at a minimum of 60fps. Especially if you are trying to reach 4k60 as a minimum, you definitely wont be anywhere near the price of these consoles.

I have a pretty solid 1440p rig at home also just so you understand I'm not being biased towards consoles in my comment.

[Zhipp]

60fps is the minimum on PC if you want it to be. You can make much more significant sacrifices in the graphics departments than the developer ever would have for the console version if you truly prioritize 60fps above all else.

[anubusgold]

@GameZenith You can get to 60 on everygame easy on pc but cyberpunk, but you could if you dropped res scale like what consoles already do .

[XbladeTeddy]

"And, contrary to all the BS, 30fps is playable. Don't let anyone make you believe it isn't."

Playable, yes, but is it an optimal experience for the player in racing or shooting games? No, it's not. It's all about the type of game.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Has nothing to do with optimal. Is it playable? Yes it is. Optimal is only possible if you have a system capable of running what you want to make as a developer. Which might also sacrifice what a developer is trying to achieve. Drive Club proves you're wrong. Multi million selling games like Spider-Man prove you're wrong. Ghost of Tsushima proves you're wrong.

If all you're going to worry about is if it's 60fps to enjoy a game, then I'd suggest moving on to another game that 60fps. And stop complaining about 30fps games.

[DVAcme]

@JackBNimble I could buy a gamer not being able to distinguish between 60 and 120fps, but between 30 and 60? GTFO, that difference is BLINDINGLY obvious.

[ApocalypseShadow]

No one is talking about telling the difference. Is 30fps acceptable to play? If a developer demonstrates that it is, and there are multi million selling games proving it, some being GoftY, then 30fps is acceptable.

Apples and Oranges. We're talking about Tangerines.

[ZeekQuattro]

Maybe because I come from a time when 15 fps was normal for bigger games but I'm fine with some games being 30 fps. I'm also fine with others being 60 fps. Far too many people act like 30 fps is an unplayable mess if it fits their argument. But if it's a game they like they'll find a reason to like it at 30.

[JEECE]

Yeah, there are definitely a lot of people on here now pushing the "30 fps is unacceptable" line who happily played games in the mid 20s fps and probably didn't know what framerate was five years ago.

[Kornholic]

Even if you don't know what a framerate is, you are still experiencing and feeling the sluggish control feedback that comes with low framerates. Just because you can't name the problem doesn't mean you don't recognize it.

[Espangerish]

I happily played games 640x480 is the 90s...doesn’t mean I want to go back to it now I have 4k.

[GameZenith]

Get used to playing PC games at 100+ fps then come back to 30fps and tell me the experience is the same....

[StoneyYoshi]

Thats me. Play 100+ fps (locked at 144fps on siege and COD) on my PC for 85-90% of my games but still would go back to my PS4Pro to play all those glorious first party games running at 30fps with no issues with the experience. And I primarily play on my PC more than I do a console these days too.

You talk like you cant go back to playing a console game at 30fps at all without being annoyed by it... I feel bad for you if thats the case. Tons of great games that are still capped at 30.

Its usually super annoying if you are playing a game at 60+ and then switch the same game you've been playing to a locked 30. But if you go from playing Siege or COD on your PC and then go play TLOU2 its not going to ruin the experience because you aren't used to already playing that game at 60+.

[LOGICWINS]

Unless it's the Switch, 30fps isn't okay by any means.

[JackBNimble]

So you're a pc only gamer right?

Because 60fps on console up until this new gen have been few and far between.

[Shiken]

And even that will change for the new consoles as the hardware gets pushed. These 60 fps games are cross gen after all.

But 30 fps is not really an issue for me in any game...so long as it is a STABLE 30 fps. Having said that, 60 fps is always a better option if available. You really do feel the difference right away. That still doesn't make a stable 30 fps horrible though.

[Fiddlerblue]

Consoles are about to go back to 30 fps once newer engines such as unreal 5 proliferate. The tech demo epic games showed off was running at 30 fps on PS5 but woah mama was it gorgeous.

I really don’t mind either way. 60 fps is nice but I’m also used to 30.

[StoneyYoshi]

Care to elaborate on your opinion? Or was that a fact? 🤔

Lots of games run at 60fps on the switch btw
https://www.digitaltrends.c...

[Beef5upreme83]

Never

[kneon]

always

[BeRich233]

30 fps is for people who say they cant tell the difference or say "it doesnt matter". Everyone else 60 fps or more.

[GameZenith]

Or for people who do not game on PC.

I'm sorry, but I jumped on the PC train and have a RTX 3080 and get high FPS. Going back to 30fps is like watching claymation.

[StoneyYoshi]

Glad someone managed to score a 3080. My 5700XT still gets the job done very well though. I'm waiting for what they release later this year instead now.

[AceRimmer302]

Damn right. Anything below 60fps is so jarring after PC gaming for years. PS4 was the first Playstation gen I completely skipped thanks to the lousy frames. Glad the newer consoles have finally got some CPU power. Hopefully 60fps becomes commonplace like it was decades ago.

[goldwyncq]

I can tell the difference it's just not a dealbreaker for me.

With that attitude I wonder how you even survived last gen.

[Michiel1989]

I think ps3 x360 gen was worse in terms of framerates if i remember correctly? a lot of those cross platform games ran like trash especially early on in the gen. remember Haze? :D the game that ran at 12fps where you shoot beehoney in your arm as a drug or something.

[EazyC]

lol to anyone who ever says that, just show them a game on PC where it allows you to cap the FPS. The difference when going between them is crazy

[StoneyYoshi]

"30 fps is for people who say they cant tell the difference or say "it doesnt matter". Everyone else 60 fps or more."
Thats a nice opinion...

I can easily tell the difference between the two being a PC player also but I can also say it doesn't matter depending on the game. As long as the game doesn't need to be fast paced, a solid 30fps does the trick but I'm not going to force a lower fps if my PC can handle it.

[franwex]

Maybe a turned based JRPG-that way it’s assets can really shine in 4K or even 8K.

[DarXyde]

To me, 30fps isn't necessarily the issue. It becomes problematic when a game demands more—in general, I believe racing games, fighting games, fast paced action games, and competitive online games should be at least 60fps. Anything where sense of speed and reaction time are important mechanics.

In other words, I don't see it as when 30fps is okay. I see it as when more is necessary for a good experience. Granted, I will always take more frames over less.

[Darkwatchman]

That’s exactly what the article argues. It’s not downplaying 30fps. That’s just the title because titles be hard. It’s saying the framerate target depends on the game. A game like Devil May Cry demANDS 60fps, but extremely cinematic games that place “experience” above in-depth mechanics are perfectly fine at 30fps as the sacrifices needed to be made to hit 60 aren’t worth it for those kinds of games

[anast]

120 or it's a piece of junk.

[ocelot07]

Much rather sacrifice the likes of resolution and ray tracing for a 60fps option. 30 shouldn't be a thing for ps5 and series x.

I honestly can't enjoy a game at 30 anymore. Even the last of us 2 I was enjoying it but the 30fps was just horrible to the point I stopped playing it and am currently waiting for a 60fps patch for ps5 or a PS5 port. Same goes for Spiderman i was enjoying it but the 30fps was ruining my enjoyment. Most probably because at the time I was playing some pc games at 60fps+ and just felt so much better.

Only game I play at 30fps right now is crash team racing. I would love a 60fps option but 30 for this type of game is manageable.

[Tedakin]

At this point there should always at least be a 60FPS performance option.

[Atticus_finch]

I much rather have destructible environments, better Ai, more on screen enemies, ect.
60 FPS looks good but I rather my games play good.
Locked 30fps works great.

[GameZenith]

Downvote me but I'm just being honest.

People who are fine with 30fps a clearly not PC gamers. Get a PC and spend a year playing at 60, 100, 120 fps and then come back to 30fps and tell me with a straight face that the experience is the same.

[andy85]

Absolutely all over these comments saying the stuff repeatedly aren't you 😂😂😂 no one cares about your PC and nobody is saying higher frames aren't better. The point of it is 30 FPS playable, and yes it is. Especially in some genres when FPS is irrelevant. But I remember playing Spiderman and thinking it was 60 FPS for ages when in fact it's 30. It felt smoother.

[dolfa]

30 FPS is garbage for any action and unplayable for any competitive game

[andy85]

@dolfa Impressive how Uncharted 4 won game of the year for a 30 FPS action game then if its garbage 😂 and it's not unplayable in the slightest.

[Michiel1989]

im a pc games and im fine with 30 fps in a lot of games, far from all, but 30 fps works well enough in a lot of cases although i would ofcourse still prefer 60. So yeah your statement is false. Do I really need Valkyria Chronicles or Nino Kuni to run at 120 fps to fully enjoy it? no......

[StoneyYoshi]

You are being honest about YOUR OPINION.

Your earlier comments say you jumped to PC which sounds like it was a recent jump. And now you are basically bragging. I have been a PC gamer since 2005 and a console gamer since 1994.

"Get a PC and spend a year playing at 60, 100, 120 fps and then come back to 30fps and tell me with a straight face that the experience is the same."

Who is saying the experience is the same??? This discussion is about if 30 fps is still okay for consoles, and it is for some games but not all of course. You can still enjoy a game just as much at 30fps compared to 60fps especially if you don't have the choice between the two. 😂

[Father__Merrin]

no one gives a damn about your cumpter

[Neonridr]

I mean it's never a good thing. But we put up with it because we don't have a choice. More frames is always better.

[Harryvok]

60fps is an experience I just enjoy so much more than 30fps. It's more natural, more immersive, less jarring. That's why I'd much prefer at least an option to drop resolution for 60fps.

I've tried 3 different games at 120fps now and can barely tell a difference between 60 and 120, but 30 to 60 is such a huge difference for me. I don't really want to play any games at 30fps anymore.

[TheColbertinator]

30 FPS doesn't bother me even on PC gaming. What upsets me is the marketing drivel that 60 or 120 FPS makes games better.

[GameZenith]

Lol you must have a 2008 GPU.

[TheColbertinator]

I have a Commodore Amiga thank you very much

[Michiel1989]

and you still have your 2008 childishness :)

[StoneyYoshi]

Thats what happens when you are a long time PC gamer unlike yourself. lmao

[Smellsforfree]

I have a hard time playing a game that I've played at 60fps at 30fps. After playing Horizon Zero on PC at 60fps it is very hard for me to go back to the Playstation version that is locked at 30fps. That being said, I don't think I'd care between 30fps and 60fps in an RPG like Persona 5 -- I'd rather it have high visual fidelity over frame rate, so long as it were a fixed 30fps with no dips.

[Firebird360]

Its never ok. We need to stop accepting it as an option.

[VersusDMC]

Playing Nioh 2 and Spider Man on PS5 and then suffering through the frame rate of Persona 5 Strikers on Switch makes me appreciate 60fps allot more these days. Performance mode for life from now on.

[jamesclark1991]

I'd say probably the beginning of time - 2020

[RonsonPL]

You lose more of the enjoyment by sacrificing 60fps compared to what you lose by lowering the graphics quality to achieve 60 instead of 30. Many would disagree, and they simply don't game on a display which shows the difference.

Depending on game genre, it can be primary or secondary difference. The input lag, and how the game "feels" to control is the other possibly most important.

All two combined and the answer to the question is zero.
Only this:
Cutscenes, and games designed to be watched instead of played (If you even care about those games) and that's it.
So, for me, there's zero games where 30fps is OK.

PS4's 30fps games can run at 60fps on PS5.

Fast paced games should run at 120fps
Most of the greatest hits for Playstation 2 managed to be awesome games while being visually impressive anyway, and all that at mostly rock solid 60fps. That will be 21 years ago in a few weeks. it is also way above 35 years since 60fps games were already present in mainstream .

30fps in 2021. Seriously. Should've been retired a long time ago and should re-join with its friends: interlaced video modes and 300x200 resolutions.

[thorstein]

I really like 4k 60FPS. Many games are already achieving it and many games in the future will. It's quite nice.

[ActualWhiteMan]

Never in racing or first person shooters IMO.

[TheOptimist]

I bought a console in 2017 and couldn't really play the PS4 for long hours because the 30fps gave me a headache.

[Good-Smurf]

I was so used to sub 30 fps for so long I'm much more tolerate to frame rate difference than many and 60 fps sometimes do make feel sick mostly FPS games but it depend from game to game.
So in my case I'm okay with most games that do 30 fps.
PS5 options will spoil me to no end with 60 fps being more of a norm.

[Exvalos]

All games really should be 60 at this point its 2021. However its tolerable in, turn based games.

[MadLad]

It's really hard for me to play at 30fps. There's a few specific sorts of experiences where you can get away with it but, 9 out of 10 times, it feels really bad and just brings down the experience as a whole.

[Petebloodyonion]

By normal ppl's logic, when the game is playable
By N4G's logic, when the game is exclusive to PLaystation if not 120 should be the bare minimum.

[Acecalibur]

According to nerds it never is

[MadLad]

Someone who spends their time posting on online videogame forums calling other people nerds.

How ironic :^)

[CertifiedGamer]

What we should be aiming for is locked frame rate when it comes to first person shooters. Something I noticed is that once I saw 120fps on a PC, it is really hard not to notice 60fps even more so 30fps. I like graphics but I want a smooth experience. I think developers should be aiming for locked frame-rates instead of having them jump from 30-60fps like majority of games do now.

[Flawlessmic]

As long as its a locked 30 and doesnt dip im fine with it, ive always preffered fidelity anyway and have always gamed on consoles pretty much so im used it to it.

I know people say they notice a huge difference however i never have where its been like wow this is a game changer.

Have no problems with devs atleast offering both options thats a great solution, as we all win the end.

Id say maybe racing games are the only ones that should have 60 as a must

[Father__Merrin]

But some people it hurts thier eyes 👀 30fps on console feels somewhat smooth depending on title but on PC if you use Riviatuner to lock to 30 it feels sluggish

[Shiore2u]

Virtually zero difference, perhaps you're just mentally challenged?

[MadLad]

No.

[philm87]

30fps (or lower) has been the standard sort of frame rate in console games for years apart from on an FPS or sports games. Did PS3/XB360 games even hit 30fps consistently? I remember a lot dipping down to below 20.
I'm pretty used to 30fps so would happily take improved graphics over frame rate in most cases. 60fps can sometimes feel a bit weird to me, I'm used to the cinematic feel of 30fps. I remember how weird watching the Hobbit was when I went to watch it in the cinema at 60fps, just didn't seem right.

[BrettAwesome]

When you've tried everything else 😂

[DJStotty]

When a game does not need it to be 60fps....

[Einhander1971]

If its a solid 30fps doesn't bother me.

[ScootaKuH]

Never? Pretty sure we've moved beyond 30fps now.

60fps should be standard now

[Fritzwochel]

Long before I knew what FPS was, I just enjoyed playing Nintendo games, because they had that fluidity to them that many other games lacked.

[waverider]

I think the problem of last gen was that not even 30 frames locked was on all games. The jag cpu were very, very, very bad. Its a miracle what some studios were able to do with that crap of CPU, In some tasks the Cell Cpu on the ps3 was better then the Jag Cpu on the Ps4. The jump to the PS5 is like 5 or 6 times more powerfull...

[kumashii38]

Some say 30fps is a deal breaker, some say 30fps is just fine.
So it's good to have a few options based on preference.

[KinoFan]

NEVER.... 60FPS should be the minimum. Especially on PS5 and XBOX series S/X going forward. Devs can't complain or blame the CPU anymore.

[smolinsk]

It's never okay with 30fps. It's absolutely bad for the eyes with 30fp. Shouldn't be allowed

[IcedOmega13]

It's a tough call. I love breath of the wild on my switch at 30fps but the dips are noticeable. Having said that I LOVE breath of the wild on my PC through CEMU and the smoothness of the game being upgraded to 60fps is substantial.

[lazyboyblue]

When it's really 30 not 18 - 29 fps

[Guyfamily999]

If the CPU is capable of hitting 60fps (which should be every single cross gen game, since the CPUs in the new consoles are roughly 4X as powerful and cross gen games are running at 30fps), there should always be a performance mode that reduces graphics (lower res, or no RT, etc) to target a higher framerate.

[Youngindy21]

I only really ever notice a difference if the gameplay is fast and hectic like in first person shooting games like COD, DOOM, and Overwatch. For most other games, I don't mind a stable 30 to 40 FPS. It just can't dip beneath that or the game becomes unplayable.

[gold_drake]

i prefer 30 fps over 60. i dont like the way it looks and feels most of the time.
but if i prefer stability over anything.

[RiverCityBoy]

Im not saying 30fps is some kind of taboo or anything, but I think most if not all games from here on should just have performance options. Unless a game is coming from a smaller dev team who may not have the money or resources or whatever to make their game run at 60frames or if 30 frames is part of the games style, then 60fps should be a standard now. But again just give the option cuz why not?

[Giblet_Head]

It's a cope, nothing else to say.

[akaFullMetal]

30 is fine, but of course higher is better. Of course fighting games and racers should be 60 but some games it isn't that much of an issue. If there are options, then who cares.

[MasterChief3624]

I don't mind 30 fps if it's locked and consistent. But once it dips even once, the illusion is broken. I always prefer 60 (I know I'm a peasant as I have yet to experience the glory of 120 fps or higher, please don't attack me in this difficult time of realization), but consistency is key.

[Pedrof]

The answer is never period.

[DVAcme]

Obviously 60fps is optimal, but I have no problem with 30fps as long as those are ROCK SOLID 30fps. If it's 30fps with performance dips, that's straight-up unforgivable. And yes, I DO think that 30fps does have a more cinematic feel than 60fps, since we're used to 24fps being the standard frame rate of commercial movies. I remember when The Hobbit came out and it was shown at 45fps in various big screenings and people felt off about it.

In terms of where I land in the snobbery scale, I lean way more towards performance over graphical power. I prefer a game solidly running at 30 or 60fps than one that looks amazing but keeps going up and down in frames all over the place. That's why I's never been in any rush to upgrade to 4K. My big screen is 1080p and that is more than sufficient for me.

[ManMarmalade]

I remember the frame rates got low from certain spell effects during battle in FFIX since they pushed the limits of the system. Bahamut's animation for his summoning dropped the framerate a bit as well as Thundaga and Shiva's summon animation to name a few. But at the time, we didn't really care. The game was beautiful to look at back then and it still is one of the most graphically impressive PS1 games.

[hiawa23]

Whenever the dev deem it necessary. I leave it to devs to make the games as the hardware allows as they see fit.

[RgR]

The real question is resolution. It is the one thing that shouldnt be the focus but is for some stupid reason.
FPS > Resolution.

Having both is ideal but irrelevant as the whole point is that peformance is more important and performance is better when the resolution isnt so damn high.

Just invested in a laptop and will be playing all my games at 1080p and most likely at the highest graphical settings because of it with an incredibly high fps.

Giving the option is great and all but it actually takes away development time from more important things.

[Hawk198666]

If you say 30fps is fine then you're a casual. 60fps should be the minimum, no excuses. PS3 was putting out 60fps open world games like RAGE! and full 1080p 60fps ones like GT5. 60fps should've been the normal last Gen, this Gen its ridiculous to see anything at 30fps. I would rather have smooth gameplay with a very responsive game than a slight graphical increase.

[CrimsonWing69]

I personally don't mind it, but I do get the preference for faster frame rates.

I just never play anything competitively and I don't mind the theatrical-movie look. Granted, I will admit when you see the same game running at a faster resolution it is a little jarring to go back, but it's not enough to detract me from playing a game or complaining about it.

[MadLad]

Is 30fps still really cinematic looking though? :^)

[Killa78]

If it's a locked 30, it's not so bad.

I preferred Spiderman Miles Morales at 30fps but Control was better at 60fps on ps5.

I've got Persona 5 Strikers on ps5 and prefer the graphical settings rather than performance.

[TakeTori]

In Undertale.

60fps is the minimum for all games. If the game can't maintain 60fps and MUST be locked to 30, that's when you know that you need to buy a PC and play the real version of the game. 30fps in games feels AWFUL.

[calderra]

I'm literally autistic, and I have never had a problem with a game being in 30fps. If I'm not having a problem, then trust me, most of the complaints about 30fps are all about e-peen points and not about gameplay. Now 60+fps (yes it's a thing on computer monitors) CAN be helpful for some genres. Twitch shooters where pixel-perfect aiming is necessary (Quake railguns), racing simulation games (not Forza but more like Assetto Corsa). But for 99.9% of games people are playing? You could switch from 60fps to 30fps, and if you didn't have an fps counter, they wouldn't notice.

[Macosan22]

Never

[Nuvem]

When you wanna see a PPT presentation.

[aftershock]

Never. 60fps should be the minimum.

[FlameWater]

When it's 1996 and the new Nintendo 64 just came out

[Pyrofire95]

It's only acceptable when I'm watching Netflix and I'm still upset.
But really I hope that 60fps becomes a console standard again. With how powerful these new machines are and the new technologies or improved technologies of reconstruction, VRS, and such I think you can more often than not have uncompromised 60fps gameplay target.
At least there seems to be more and more options for visual targets. Personally I think resolution can be the first thing to drop and goes a long way bringing down the render cost and I glad when I get that choice.

[SDuck]

As someone who plays Rocket League at 160fps because my PC lets me, I have no problem with games at 30fps. Before patch 1.1, Cyberpunk 2077 was running between 26~30fps and I had no issue with it

[DFresh]

I’m always going to pick performance over visuals if it’s an option.

[KATACOREY]

NEVER!!! 🤣

[UnholyLight]

Must be the generation I come from. None of my friends or I care as long as it's over 30fps I can't hardly see a difference. Anything over 60fps is overkill anyways unless you're gettin sweaty every match trying to be the next big MLG star

[crxss]

for cinematic games yes.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

Only when playing a MMORPG, I play on PC mostly (have a Switch) and it won't matter if you have the best most expensive CPU (MMORPG's are way more CPU intensive) your frames will drop when the screen is filled with people playing, sub 30FPS sometimes. This is just an example of a huge World vs World battle in Guild Wars 2 https://www.youtube.com/wat...