With PlayStation 5 and Xbox Series X having so many games out of the gate with multiple performance options, it's important to consider the implications of different frame-rate targets and how they impact the experience.
When it's not a very fast paced action game or racing game, but these days it's better to just give the option.
Having played games since Pong, i never really had a problem with it before. Looking back at some of the games that i really felt could have used a boost to their fps... alien vs predator on the jaguar is most definitely one of them. I think that was like... 15fps and if it had been 30 it would have been a whole different experience. Just thinking about it at 60 sort of freaks me out. Those aliens were pretty damn fast even at 15 so to think at 60... yikes. 30 works if it is meant to be some cinematic experience. I am getting rather spoiled by the addition of performance modes in modern games though. So lately I have been enjoying more games upwards of 60fps or close to it.
twisted metal one and 2 in multiplayer the game would drop down to single digit frame rates.
Back in the late 90s we just dealt with low frame rates. Perfect dark is so hard to go back to on the n64 now, but at the time people accepted it because it pushed the limits of the system so well. Somehow ocarina of time still feels ok though, despite being capped at 20.
Been playing since nintendo days. I've never had any problem during the ps1,ps2 days. Infact i never knew whar fps was..lol. All i ever did was enjoy playing games. Anyone remember the original Shadow of the Colossus on ps2? Damn..the frames really dipped on that one. Anyway for fast paced shooters, 60fps is required. Most of Sonys first party games run really smooth even at 30. Cant wait to check out the 60fps.
This... The focus on fps is so stupid imo... No game would beat a good old Streets of Rage.. I don't notice any difference playing at 60 or 30.. Tlou remastered felt exact same as ps3.. All I care about is a smooth fps, no lagging during highly crowded scenes
@TheFirstClassic I had a pc back then as well and no those single digit drops was bad as well. Doom and wolfenstein if i was getting frame rate drops was that bad i would have said eww and dropped detail to get a better frame rate. Even Oregon trail had better fps than that lol. For shooters i was playing unreal tournament it had a pretty good frame rate untill some one shot the redeemer at you that would cause the frame rate to lag.
with the CPUs no longer being the limiting factor the option for 60fps should be in every game. 30fps is acceptable for RPGs and slower-paced games, but 60fps should still be an option.
And even for those types of games, if you just played something at 60 (or even turned on the 60fps mode on that game), 30 feels and looks janky as hell. I played all of Watch Dogs Legion without much of an issue because I basically focused only on that game. Started Spiderman at 60fps and then decided to try how the quality mode looked and had to immediately go back to 60 haha (even though I had no issues on PS4 the first time) The more games continue to come out with a 60fps option, the harder it will be to not notice how janky 30fps really is
It's a matter of your eyes adjusting to it. Hopping between the two will be the most jarring way to compare the two. But if you were to play something at 60fps and not touch it for weeks and go back into it at 30 fps, it wont be as noticeably bad. It's a huge difference in feel but 30fps is still a perfectly fine frame rate for some games. CP2077 is a good example. Game started out at 60FPS for me but once outside in the city the FPS tanked to about 40-45. It initially was annoying but I eventually got used to it after an hour or so.
Agree 100%. I played The Last of Us Part II and Control Ultimate Edition on PS5 at 30fps. Both games have slow moving protagonists and 30fps looked fine.
When the developer believes it is the best course of action for their game. We can run in circles thinking something should be better. Be it graphics, frame rate, more objects on-screen, resolution, better A.I., etc. It's the developer's game. Don't like it, make your own at 60fps. And, contrary to all the BS, 30fps is playable. Don't let anyone make you believe it isn't.
30fps is awful on OLED. I say just give us an option to drop resolution for 60fps.
Depends on what you expect from the developer's game. I had NO PROBLEM playing Ghost of Tsushima exactly as Sucker Punch released it. 30fps. 60fps NEVER crossed my mind. It only would cross it if it ran at 5fps which is unplayable. That never happens in the game. Would it be great that all flat games were 60fps? Sure. I'm aware of what it does. I would love all PSVR games to be 120fps with super graphics. But the developers decided what worked for their game. Some run 90fps. Some run 60fps and are re-projected to 120fps. You can see that some games aren't exactly smooth. You can see detail increased and more polygons on-screen at lower frame rates. Will I complain about it when the lesser frame rate games are hella fun to play? Nope. I'm going to play them because the developer decided that what they did, their vision of the game at a certain level of detail, works at a lower frame rate. We can all sit here and expect all these games to run at a certain level. Or expect the developers to give options in their game so that you, the player, can decide graphics or speed like PC. If they can offer that, then great. But Gamers need to check their expectations when it's not their game being made. Or, they can go to PC where they can play with frame rates all day. I'll just be playing to have FUN. The main reason a game is made in the first place.
Movies are filmed at 24fps. That's why better tvs incorporate 4:4:4 pull down. I actually prefer 30fps for cinematic game.
Most gamers have no idea what fps a game is, only the few hardcore gamers have any clue . I'm willing to bet half the people here on n4g can't tell a 30fps game from a 60fps game.
Get a better TV my dude.
@atticus better then an OLED? Which is what?
Did you use gaming mode? Runs better imo. Never had an issue on my oled to be honest. Is it an LG? Although other brands use the same oled screen as LG, they use different image processing, perhaps that’s the problem in your case.
I'm sorry but technically 24fps is also playable but would you want that? This is why I jumped to PC gaming in which 60fps is the minimum and I can reach up to 100+ fps.
There is no 60fps minimum in PC gaming. There are people with budget specs that are happy to reach a stable 30fps.
"This is why I jumped to PC gaming in which 60fps is the minimum and I can reach up to 100+ fps." This is entirely up to your budget. not everyone can afford a system that can run everything at a minimum of 60fps. Especially if you are trying to reach 4k60 as a minimum, you definitely wont be anywhere near the price of these consoles. I have a pretty solid 1440p rig at home also just so you understand I'm not being biased towards consoles in my comment.
60fps is the minimum on PC if you want it to be. You can make much more significant sacrifices in the graphics departments than the developer ever would have for the console version if you truly prioritize 60fps above all else.
@GameZenith You can get to 60 on everygame easy on pc but cyberpunk, but you could if you dropped res scale like what consoles already do .
"And, contrary to all the BS, 30fps is playable. Don't let anyone make you believe it isn't."
Playable, yes, but is it an optimal experience for the player in racing or shooting games? No, it's not. It's all about the type of game.
Has nothing to do with optimal. Is it playable? Yes it is. Optimal is only possible if you have a system capable of running what you want to make as a developer. Which might also sacrifice what a developer is trying to achieve. Drive Club proves you're wrong. Multi million selling games like Spider-Man prove you're wrong. Ghost of Tsushima proves you're wrong. If all you're going to worry about is if it's 60fps to enjoy a game, then I'd suggest moving on to another game that 60fps. And stop complaining about 30fps games.
@JackBNimble I could buy a gamer not being able to distinguish between 60 and 120fps, but between 30 and 60? GTFO, that difference is BLINDINGLY obvious.
No one is talking about telling the difference. Is 30fps acceptable to play? If a developer demonstrates that it is, and there are multi million selling games proving it, some being GoftY, then 30fps is acceptable. Apples and Oranges. We're talking about Tangerines.
Maybe because I come from a time when 15 fps was normal for bigger games but I'm fine with some games being 30 fps. I'm also fine with others being 60 fps. Far too many people act like 30 fps is an unplayable mess if it fits their argument. But if it's a game they like they'll find a reason to like it at 30.
Yeah, there are definitely a lot of people on here now pushing the "30 fps is unacceptable" line who happily played games in the mid 20s fps and probably didn't know what framerate was five years ago.
Even if you don't know what a framerate is, you are still experiencing and feeling the sluggish control feedback that comes with low framerates. Just because you can't name the problem doesn't mean you don't recognize it.
I happily played games 640x480 is the 90s...doesn’t mean I want to go back to it now I have 4k.
Get used to playing PC games at 100+ fps then come back to 30fps and tell me the experience is the same....
Thats me. Play 100+ fps (locked at 144fps on siege and COD) on my PC for 85-90% of my games but still would go back to my PS4Pro to play all those glorious first party games running at 30fps with no issues with the experience. And I primarily play on my PC more than I do a console these days too. You talk like you cant go back to playing a console game at 30fps at all without being annoyed by it... I feel bad for you if thats the case. Tons of great games that are still capped at 30. Its usually super annoying if you are playing a game at 60+ and then switch the same game you've been playing to a locked 30. But if you go from playing Siege or COD on your PC and then go play TLOU2 its not going to ruin the experience because you aren't used to already playing that game at 60+.
Unless it's the Switch, 30fps isn't okay by any means.
So you're a pc only gamer right? Because 60fps on console up until this new gen have been few and far between.
And even that will change for the new consoles as the hardware gets pushed. These 60 fps games are cross gen after all. But 30 fps is not really an issue for me in any game...so long as it is a STABLE 30 fps. Having said that, 60 fps is always a better option if available. You really do feel the difference right away. That still doesn't make a stable 30 fps horrible though.
Consoles are about to go back to 30 fps once newer engines such as unreal 5 proliferate. The tech demo epic games showed off was running at 30 fps on PS5 but woah mama was it gorgeous. I really don’t mind either way. 60 fps is nice but I’m also used to 30.
Care to elaborate on your opinion? Or was that a fact? 🤔 Lots of games run at 60fps on the switch btw https://www.digitaltrends.c...
30 fps is for people who say they cant tell the difference or say "it doesnt matter". Everyone else 60 fps or more.
Or for people who do not game on PC. I'm sorry, but I jumped on the PC train and have a RTX 3080 and get high FPS. Going back to 30fps is like watching claymation.
Glad someone managed to score a 3080. My 5700XT still gets the job done very well though. I'm waiting for what they release later this year instead now.
Damn right. Anything below 60fps is so jarring after PC gaming for years. PS4 was the first Playstation gen I completely skipped thanks to the lousy frames. Glad the newer consoles have finally got some CPU power. Hopefully 60fps becomes commonplace like it was decades ago.
I can tell the difference it's just not a dealbreaker for me. With that attitude I wonder how you even survived last gen.
I think ps3 x360 gen was worse in terms of framerates if i remember correctly? a lot of those cross platform games ran like trash especially early on in the gen. remember Haze? :D the game that ran at 12fps where you shoot beehoney in your arm as a drug or something.
lol to anyone who ever says that, just show them a game on PC where it allows you to cap the FPS. The difference when going between them is crazy
"30 fps is for people who say they cant tell the difference or say "it doesnt matter". Everyone else 60 fps or more." Thats a nice opinion... I can easily tell the difference between the two being a PC player also but I can also say it doesn't matter depending on the game. As long as the game doesn't need to be fast paced, a solid 30fps does the trick but I'm not going to force a lower fps if my PC can handle it.
Maybe a turned based JRPG-that way it’s assets can really shine in 4K or even 8K.
To me, 30fps isn't necessarily the issue. It becomes problematic when a game demands more—in general, I believe racing games, fighting games, fast paced action games, and competitive online games should be at least 60fps. Anything where sense of speed and reaction time are important mechanics. In other words, I don't see it as when 30fps is okay. I see it as when more is necessary for a good experience. Granted, I will always take more frames over less.
That’s exactly what the article argues. It’s not downplaying 30fps. That’s just the title because titles be hard. It’s saying the framerate target depends on the game. A game like Devil May Cry demANDS 60fps, but extremely cinematic games that place “experience” above in-depth mechanics are perfectly fine at 30fps as the sacrifices needed to be made to hit 60 aren’t worth it for those kinds of games
120 or it's a piece of junk.
Much rather sacrifice the likes of resolution and ray tracing for a 60fps option. 30 shouldn't be a thing for ps5 and series x. I honestly can't enjoy a game at 30 anymore. Even the last of us 2 I was enjoying it but the 30fps was just horrible to the point I stopped playing it and am currently waiting for a 60fps patch for ps5 or a PS5 port. Same goes for Spiderman i was enjoying it but the 30fps was ruining my enjoyment. Most probably because at the time I was playing some pc games at 60fps+ and just felt so much better. Only game I play at 30fps right now is crash team racing. I would love a 60fps option but 30 for this type of game is manageable.
At this point there should always at least be a 60FPS performance option.
30fps shouldn’t even exist anymore.
I much rather have destructible environments, better Ai, more on screen enemies, ect. 60 FPS looks good but I rather my games play good. Locked 30fps works great.
Downvote me but I'm just being honest. People who are fine with 30fps a clearly not PC gamers. Get a PC and spend a year playing at 60, 100, 120 fps and then come back to 30fps and tell me with a straight face that the experience is the same.
Absolutely all over these comments saying the stuff repeatedly aren't you 😂😂😂 no one cares about your PC and nobody is saying higher frames aren't better. The point of it is 30 FPS playable, and yes it is. Especially in some genres when FPS is irrelevant. But I remember playing Spiderman and thinking it was 60 FPS for ages when in fact it's 30. It felt smoother.
30 FPS is garbage for any action and unplayable for any competitive game
@dolfa Impressive how Uncharted 4 won game of the year for a 30 FPS action game then if its garbage 😂 and it's not unplayable in the slightest.
im a pc games and im fine with 30 fps in a lot of games, far from all, but 30 fps works well enough in a lot of cases although i would ofcourse still prefer 60. So yeah your statement is false. Do I really need Valkyria Chronicles or Nino Kuni to run at 120 fps to fully enjoy it? no......
You are being honest about YOUR OPINION. Your earlier comments say you jumped to PC which sounds like it was a recent jump. And now you are basically bragging. I have been a PC gamer since 2005 and a console gamer since 1994. "Get a PC and spend a year playing at 60, 100, 120 fps and then come back to 30fps and tell me with a straight face that the experience is the same." Who is saying the experience is the same??? This discussion is about if 30 fps is still okay for consoles, and it is for some games but not all of course. You can still enjoy a game just as much at 30fps compared to 60fps especially if you don't have the choice between the two. 😂
no one gives a damn about your cumpter
I mean it's never a good thing. But we put up with it because we don't have a choice. More frames is always better.
60fps is an experience I just enjoy so much more than 30fps. It's more natural, more immersive, less jarring. That's why I'd much prefer at least an option to drop resolution for 60fps. I've tried 3 different games at 120fps now and can barely tell a difference between 60 and 120, but 30 to 60 is such a huge difference for me. I don't really want to play any games at 30fps anymore.
30 FPS doesn't bother me even on PC gaming. What upsets me is the marketing drivel that 60 or 120 FPS makes games better.
Lol you must have a 2008 GPU.
I have a Commodore Amiga thank you very much
and you still have your 2008 childishness :)