PS5 and Xbox Series X don’t need to worry about Nvidia RTX 3070
Nobody says it did or even thinks that. This is just the pathetic cycle of games journalism, the need to scrounge around for topics to write about.
There's a typo. 'Kill' is spelt *obliterate* /jokes. before someone tries to obliterate me Btw the author is arguing ''why it did not kill the consoles,'' in case anyone wants to comment surf only.
Why would anyone give this article clicks? Most console owners don't care about the latest GPU so the argument is irrelevant anyways, that's why they're console gamers and not pc gamers.
They all live in the same bubble, one they foolishly think is shared by the gaming community.
It's worse than that, games journalist are known for creating a fake hit piece to generate clicks, and then a week later the same site releases another hit piece article arguing for the opposing view. Anything to get those clicks in.
There was an article from yesterday that said: Forget PS5 and Xbox Series X: Nvidia’s RTX 3070 could be all you need
Many PC gamers did say that.
There have been a few articles asking the question if the RTX 3080 is stealing the ps5 and SX thunder or if you even should by those console. https://n4g.com/news/237035... and https://n4g.com/news/237023...
That just proves my point more. No one initally thought what these games journos are writing about. It's just their pathetic attempt to find something... anything to write about. It's all garbage.
@potatoseal: "Nobody says it did or even thinks that. This is just the pathetic cycle of games journalism, the need to scrounge around for topics to write about." Where is it that you use the word "initially"? They are someone. So people though that, hence this article is correct.
Literally was an article just the other day implying it so apparently somebody thinks it. They're wrong of course but it didn't stop it from being suggested.
I think he meant nobody actually thinks it, they're just saying it for attention and clicks. I mean the same website that published this article published the one the other day saying the exact opposite. it's just dirty journalism to make a few bucks from outrage.
Actually, techradar did, https://www.techradar.com/n...
"No, the Nvidia RTX 3080 didn’t just kill the PS5 and Xbox Series X" "PS5 and Xbox Series X don’t need to worry about Nvidia RTX 3070" Bruh, choose 3070 or 3080. Anyway, consoles are never going to get killed. So aren't PCs. People choose consoles for convenience and money-saving People choose PC for the customization, experience and the other million options PC brings to the table. I knew that my PC in 2016 was thrice the price of my PS4 at the time. But I wanted the experience. I wanted to play games at 100+ fps. I wanted to tinker around with my hardware. I wanted to customize my games with mods. I wanted to play competitive games with whatever input I choose. I didn't want the lack of peace of mind that I have paid for the Multiplayer side so I have to make the most out of it. I will not be getting a PS5, not because it isn't cheap or because it isn't convenient, but the platform does not fulfill what I desire and does not feel like money well spent as a buyer of its previous iteration. It will obviously be worth it to many other people who want to play the games the platform has to offer or people who want the convenience of a sit-down and just play. Also "Nobody says it did or even thinks that. This is just the pathetic cycle of games journalism, the need to scrounge around for topics to write about."
''I knew that my PC in 2016 was thrice the price of my PS4 at the time. But I wanted the experience'' This ^ Every gen I want a maximised experience. I usuallybuy the consoles for the exclusives but like 95% of my time is on the pc. My 6yrs of time is much more valuable and I want a maximum quality experience.
"but like 95% of my time is on the pc" Big this. I have like 5000+ hours on PC compared to barely 300 hours on my PS4 in the last 4 years. This was the first time I bought a console though and I didn't find it worth the money. I mean I played all the exclusives, but I only ended up liking a couple - Bloodborne, Gravity Rush 2, Matterfall and Nioh & Yakuza (Before they came to PC).
Unless you're a diehard ps4 exclusive fan there really isn't any reason in owning a playstation if you're a pc gamer. I might skip out on next gen consoles, sony exclusives don't really do it for me .
It really depends. I have pc for maybe 25 years (not one :-)) and I hopped into console world 10 years ago. And do you know why? Because of my time. After 25 years on pc, still you have to tinker this and that. Its fun. But if you want just turn on and play for a while, it sometimes isnt possible one pc. Lot of games are ok, but sometimes, there are really big problems (like when first when Forzas came to PC, that was mess, etc..). Or windows10 updates are disaster and it doesnt matter if Im on Intel notebook, ryzen desktop or even Intel desktop. And that costs time.
Agree 100% with the the endless options and customizations on PC. The closed ecosystems of consoles feel incredibly suffocating once you gotten used to the freedom PC gaming brings. Finding a game that I want to play isn't limited to whether the store has a copy or paying for the overpriced digital versions on console. Steam, Epic, Gog, cdkeys, g2a, and others provide plenty of options for buying games at much more reasonable prices. And of course, the modding community of PC gaming adds an entire avenue to gaming that isn't available on consoles at all. I'll still buy PS5 for the exclusives as I really enjoy them. But everything else is played entirely on PC.
The close environment is the price to pay for not having the cheaters like there are on PC. Every multiplayer game on PC is plagued by them. It was already like that 20 years ago, it's even worse now.
"Steam, Epic, Gog, cdkeys, g2a, and others provide plenty of options for buying games at much more reasonable prices. " Well, consoles have cheap retail sellers. I bought the ps4 disc version of Borderlands 3 for 5€ while the cheapest price of the pc version i saw was 25€.
Man if only there was a second hand market for console gsmes /s
@jukins yeah....that falls under: "whether the store has a copy" Yes, the used market is an advantage for consoles, but consoles are moving away from physical entirely and embracing digital more and more.
"Anyway, consoles are never going to get killed." What console are we talking about?? Because one console will be a waste of money next gen especially if you're a PC gamer first and can play all their games on PC *day one*
And yet you still don't get what they are doing. It's not about whether it you are a PC gamer or a console gamer. It's about where you want to play. Start on PC and then take it too the living room it's about YOU deciding where you want to play and on what. Now PC is only "Day One" if you have Game Pass Ultimate. If you have Game Pass you are only doing the console version. Ultimate gives you the ability to play on both and it the better deal if you have a PC and a console. Some games will play better on PC like Wasteland 3 and others on console (anything with 4 player split screen coop). I'll take those the coop split-screen games in the Living room any day on a much larger screen and more spaced out over than my 34" Ultra Wide Monitor and crammed together.
"Some games will play better on PC" Most games will play better on PC with the new GPUs coming out. I also expect Halo infinite to run better on the rtx 3070 and rtx 3080 than the series X
Yup. I built my first PC in 2012 because that gen went too long, and some games just didn't meet my standards for what were passable anymore. I specifically remember Far Cry 3 being a blurry mess on my 360. I then built a 680/i5 system, which I eventually added a second card to. It was night and day playing the same games, and they system lasted me years of competent performance before I eventually upgraded to two 1660ti. All and all, the $1500 I eventually spent in the last 8 years felt like a great investment. Of course, it wasn't as cheap as dropping a few hundred on a console (more if you invested in the mid-gen refreshes that the console heads deemed needed), but it provided me with a stronger gaming experience. I inevitably got a PS4 Pro, which I got a great deal on because I have a buddy who runs rental service store who got one back after someone paid a bunch of money into. It's probably my favorite console I ever owned, honestly. But I love it for the exclusives, and the fact I can play more games with different friends. The 3rd party content just wasn't delivered in the same way my PC allowed, and that makes up the vast majority of content released, and that's how I expect most games to run. There are amazing console releases to be had, but it's not enough for me to just own that, when I know the difference in performance to be had.
Ah....the counter article to "Forget PS5 and Xbox Series X". How very Forbes of you. The bottom line in these arguments is how do you want to play games. I've made the argument many times that if you want the living room big TV experience then console is the to go. I certainly would not want to balance a keyboard and mouse on my living room couch. And a console fits nicely into the entertainment center and becomes a more natural component of the living room. And yes, consoles are simply easier. So there is no "killing" anything because of new GPUs. That is just hyperbole. However.... "My gaming machine has a Ryzen 7 1800X, 16GB of DDR4 RAM, and a Radeon RX 590.... " "So for me to get the most out of all the tech Nvidia has put into its RTX 3000-series, I’d need a new processor, a new motherboard, and likely new RAM. And while I’m there I might as well upgrade the power supply unit. " Well, if you want to get the "most out of all the tech" then yeah, buy everything new. But it isn't required. The same motherboard that takes the Ryzen 7 1800X will take a Ryzen 7 3000 series as well. That 16GB DDR4 RAM is perfectly fine. The author didn't bother stating what PSU wattage so no idea how he says "might as well upgrade" except to fluff up his argument. "One thing I would highlight though, is a lot of games are multi-platform titles, developed to cater for the lower common denominator. In the case of the next-generation games consoles, that means the PS5 with its 10.28 teraflops of GPU power. As such, it may be a while before you get any PC games that will take advantage of the graphical grunt of even a GeForce RTX 3070.." Nope. It will be in November when I launch Cyberpunk 2077 maxed out with all the ray tracing it will give me. That is a bogus theory regardless unless you want to pretend that PC game visual settings and presets have been limited to what PS4 and Xbox One could handle all gen. Devs started putting ray tracing in games for PC before PS5 or XSX were even given their names. So no idea why devs would suddenly stop beefing up their PC game versions simply because PS5 is 10.2 TF. Makes no sense. There are perfectly valid arguments for consoles vs PC, but these are not them.
I don't know if killing is the right word here. Because as consoles they already have different sector of the market for themselves - at least in the west. The performance and especially the prices of both the 3070 and 3080 might have made some people that were on the fence about upgrading their computers or buying the new consoles, decide for the first. And then you have the "smaller markets" like Asia - outside Japan. Where those new cards might make the consoles a little less appealing. As the region already have a strong PC centric market and if we go by tradition there will be exclusive and cheaper version cards dedicated to them. Another market that it will be really interesting to see is Brazil. Sony is currently dominating there. But they ditched local production and regional pricing not that long ago. Meanwhile some leaks of the 3070 and 3080 prices put them for almost half of what people are expecting that Sony will ask for the PS5. So depending on what end up being the true, there might be a bigger push for PC gaming there or Microsoft can get their X360 days crown back. But coming back to the core markets (US, EU and JP). I don't think these cards will really steal much thunder from the consoles.
it certainly killed the xbox upgrade your Pc for a lot less then the series x will cost, no buying expensive battery packs/free online and 3x the performance
It's hard to counter those points, without sounding defensive, so here, have your agree lol
Judging by your comment history, you wouldn't mind seeing Xbox go away. All I can say is, you don't want to see a day where it's just Sony and Nintendo in the physical console market. Nintendo already does its own thing, leaving Sony basically a monopoly. You know what monopolies do? Nothing to the actual benefit of the consumer.
Yeap, companies can't get too confortable or it is us that suffer. Just look at the PS3 early days or Microsoft original pitch for the XOne for examples of that.
I feel as though the series x might be Microsoft's last console. They are definitely focusing forward on services and it wouldn't surprise me if come the next next gen, their games may be available across all platforms, including Sony, Nintendo, and mobile. Microsoft has always been a software company, it makes no sense for them to continue to dump hundreds of millions/billions of dollars into hardware research and development, marketing, production costs, shipping costs for the hardware, etc. etc. if a good percentage of gamepass subscribers will be playing Microsoft's games on their pc's...there are diminishing returns on investment there, and going forward it looks like the gap is becoming bigger between what is possible on pc and the limitations of console. With gamepass, xcloud, and their cloud servers/azure, Microsoft is in a very strong position on that front. Deciding to let pc gamers have access to every Microsoft first party title was the writing on the wall for how much Microsoft really does not care about hardware sales anymore. If you already have a pc, upgrading to the 3070, 3080, or 3090 is a no brainer. If you don't, it may be a good time to consider pc gaming. There are many benefits, such as mods, not having to pay for xbox live, greater control over your gaming experience, cheaper games (and more variety/selection), more capable hardware for ai upsampling/ray tracing, overclocking potential to squeeze even more performance out of your pc, etc etc. I have always bought multiple consoles, but that changed this current gen. Xbox one did not appeal to me....the games were not there. So this gen it's been Sony and pc for me, and that is what it will be this upcoming gen as well.
He never said he wanted to see them go away what he said was there's a more compelling reason to go with upgrading your PC graphics card if your an xbox gamer and he listed valid reasons why, there's no need to get defensive about it. If MS is still making games even if they're played on PC there's still competition.
I also see no reason to buy an xbox x. But "upgrade your pc for a lot less", is just utter rubbish. The cheapest next gen card is 500 euros. And then you assume that peeps have up to date PCs that wont bottle neck your shiny new card. Most will have to upgrade their cpu, mainboard and probably also memory if you'd be coming from ddr3. Not to mention probably a new psu to power your next gen card, at the very least a 650 bronze psu. AND that fast SSD if you don't have, so that's a extra 700 to 1000 euros on top of the 500 euros for your next gen card. I'm a diehard Sony and Nintendo fan but I build custom gaming PCs for a business. So don't miss inform, cheers.
First this site publishes an article titled "Forget PS5 and Xbox Series X..." now this. They are really chasing the clicks. Then again that is game "journalism". Some will argue it is different writers but still, its a weak editorial policy that hides behind "we have diverse opinions" in order to cover all the bases.
Is there something inherently wrong with a publication representing multiple different viewpoints?
hell even Nvidia it will not have time to kill the PS5, cause the PS5 will be sold out within minutes :D
Who thought it did? I swear, these games media types live in their own bubble.
The 3070 is "good" value but still quite expensive and nowhere near the value proposition that is consoles. And chances are, if you're like me, you may need to basically upgrade the whole pc to stop bottlenecks. I'm currently rocking an i7 4790, gtx 1070 and on ddr3 ram which is quite old now.
To be fair, that console value proposition comes with hundreds through its life, just to play online, and a closed digital marketplace, where the prices aren't typically as good as PC, due to the lack of competition, and then, typically, tied to that hardware, meaning you better keep that tech, instead of selling it, like many PC gamers do when upgrading. PC gaming is always going to be more expensive, but it allows so much more on the user end; and that initial cost of the console is always going to be a disingenuous point, if price of online through the generation, and weaker sales prices, aren't thrown into the mix. As far as I see it, you can build a rig for around a grand with the 3070. A PS5 or X will cost you about a grand, if you factor in online through the generation, unless they blow our minds and make online free. It's just about when you spend it. That said, you should be fine with your CPU. Minor bottleneck there, if anything. You may want to update the ram though.
I get what you're saying, but that price for online comes with ps plus games, secure online play (no cheaters without crossplay) and an ecosystem with the majority of your friends. The games I play on ps4 have much more vibrant servers vs pc. I don't mind paying a subscription for that, whereas on PC partying up can be a pain. PC sales aren't always the best, granted games are £10ish cheaper on release but Steam sales are awful atm. Paying £1000 today (not even taking games into account) is worse than £1000 over 5-7 years. Then there's exclusives which hasn't even been taken into account. Ram requires a new mobo and CPU as that generation Intel doesn't support ddr4. I only really use my pc for old multiplats you can pick up cheap now.
Serious question - was the rig you built in 2012 your 1st PC? Compared to PC gaming in the mid Eighties, 90's, and 2000's this is unquestionably the worst time to be one. Overpaying on GPUs that never get fully utilized, brute forcing console sloppy seconds, lack of triple AAA investment from major publishers, and nude mods aren't very compelling arguments. So it always falls back to performance. Which is why arguing about the value proposition of PCs over consoles is a fool's errand. I should hope that if one pays a grand to upgrade their rigs they should be able to tinker with framerates. I get it though, it's better than touting "the next indie game that scores big before it comes to consoles" counterpoint. Minecrafts just don't happen that often anymore. And yes to your or anyone else's next question, I own 3 PCs in the house, 2 of which are gaming rigs. I just don't idolize platforms and sugarcoat my bias as the best option for everyone. Consoles and PCs are the ying and the yang of gaming so I find these articles deplorable and ignorant.
thats still a very capable system right there
Nope the only console it killed is the xbox series x.
Wow, insecure counter articles.
Both articles were from the same website.
All consoles & graphic cards will sell well.
Graphic cards has from the very beginning been better than existing consoles and still the console market is growing every generation. I wonder why. Please, ps5 will sell more in 6 months than RTX 3080 will in it's life time. That's how it swings.
Console gamers by and large will continue to be console gamers and PC gamers by and large will continue to be PC gamers with some fluctuation both ways. Just like the beginning of EVERY...OTHER...GENERATION that came before.
Nobody with any sense really thinks the 3X announcement killed console sales. It is an interesting moment in PC gaming where a card that will clearly outperform the next gen consoles is announced, and might release prior to the coming consoles, and cost less than a grand to build a PC around. That's already peaked a couple of my friend's interest who always were interested in PC gaming, but didn't want to invest. I already have 2 friends; one a big Sony fan, the other Xbox, who decided they're switching to PC as their first purchase now. The Xbox pal now just not going Xbox at all, being you now get virtually everything through gamepass.
That's nothing new and has been since the very beginning. People buy consoles for the exclusives and they are fine playing multi releases on them too. That's why Sony has 5 consoles that has sold over 100 million units each.
That is new. I'll be the first to admit that it used to cost probably $1500 out of the gate to out beat the performance of a console out of the gate, due to the benefits had working with a singular, closed system. Now it can be had for less than a grand. The whole point of my comment was to say the barrier to entry has now been lowered to a place not seen the last few generations, and you can now build a PC that will fairly outperform the current gen consoles for under a grand - about the same cost of the consoles, themselves, when you factor in a generation of paying for online. You bypassed any point of information I made, and just responded "Sony sells good, so". Which I never said it didn't, thus my "nobody with sense thinks this will kill console sales" literally had in my first sentence. I honestly don't even understand how you find this a proper reply to my comment.
"I honestly don't even understand how you find this a proper reply to my comment." Start with reading what I say. This is nothing new because graphic cards back in the early 2000 outclassed Playstation by a mile for example. What's new that you can build a better pc than upcoming console release? Do you have a hard time understanding or are you just misunderstanding for the fun of it?
My comment spoke on how nobody reasonable should think this would hurt console sales. I then state that this is actually a fairly large difference of price to performance, and the first time a baseline card will actually outperform consoles prior to their release. I then stated how I have a couple friends actually going PC for the first time based on the announcement. Literally all I said, and your response was "that's how it's always been" which it's not. "People buy consoles for exclusives and buy rereleases" which I never said they didn't, or bring any of that up at all. If anything, it ever so slightly ties in with me saying I have console friends who actually chose to go PC after the 3X announcement. Slightly. And then you go on about the sales of Sony consoles, which I never brought up, and I literally started my post with "this obviously won't affect console sales". So, yeah, I genuinely read through everything you said, and have no idea why you chose to respond in the way that you did. Feel free to spin verbal gymnastics on the matter though lol.
"So, yeah, I genuinely read through everything you said, and have no idea why you chose to respond in the way that you did." Apparently not. You're still going at that this is new. Literally this whole sentence doesn't make sense. "I then state that this is actually a fairly large difference of price to performance, and the first time a baseline card will actually outperform consoles prior to their release." This has happened ever since the mid 90's. So why are you continuing spouting lies as truth? "I then stated how I have a couple friends actually going PC for the first time based on the announcement. Literally all I said, and your response was "that's how it's always been" which it's not." No, that was my, and I quote, response: "People buy consoles for the exclusives and they are fine playing multi releases on them too." Instead you think I replied with this: "Literally all I said, and your response was "that's how it's always been" which it's not.". No, that was about the graphics cards. You do seriously have a hard time understanding simple sentences and make up your own versions. Sorry, but that it's not our problem and yours alone.
It did not kill PS5 or Series X, all it did imo was squash the whole "Consoles are ahead of PC" talks a lot of people was putting out. PC were always ahead of consoles when it came to graphics and with the PS5 and Series X seemingly on paper to beat/match the highest current PC builds it was only a matter of time before PC's got a leap, and push back to the normal cycle of things.
It killed anyone who just purchased 2080Ti. That's it.
I just recently bought a 2060 super, could have waited put a few more $$ and got a RTX30××. Oh well was planning on building another PC soon anyway, so I'll just go high and get the 3080, my current rig was my first one built and the kids love it..next is one for the livingroom, even tho we all have laptops lol.
it certainly put PC's on a par very early on with the upcoming consoles.
The base level card will seemingly outperform the consoles. We're definitely going to see another round of mid-gen upgrades.
This site is talking to itself .
Consoles haven't and are not going to be killed by PC. They are on different categories.
There isn't a direct relation between TV and RTX 3080 like the consoles does , I'm tiered of pc nerds miscalculations to throw the cost of all the components and softwares , jeez.
True but gave them a big kick in the cherries .
No graphics card is going to stop the PS5.
I honestly can't stand it when PC gamers act like buying a console is this thing they can't understand. Consoles are cheaper, more convenient, and atleast when it comes to PlayStation has many games you just can't find on PC. But mostly console is way cheaper. Building a solid PC with one of these new cards will automatically run you more than any of the new consoles with just the card and cpu alone
"No, the Nvidia RTX 3080 didn’t just kill the PS5 and Xbox Series X" It just annihilates it lol