Is Gran Turismo 7 on PS5 really (much) better looking than GT Sport on PS4 ?

Sony unveiled the upcoming Gran Turismo 7 on PS5, with a short clip of gameplay. But, when we compare, is this brand new GT7 on PS5 really better looking than the current GT Sport on PS4 ?

[Kribwalker]

it doesn’t look like a generational leap to me. But GT 7 definitely seems like a full game with GT style single player and gt sport style multiplayer. It’s almost like GT Sport was like the Prologue they released on the ps3, and then they fleshed it’s out to a complete MP game

[Obscure_Observer]

"it doesn’t look like a generational leap to me."

Yeah, it´s far from impressive.

[Dee_91]

@ obscure
take a look at gt sport copper box on youtube and gt sport now.
this is just an early stage.
you can realistically expect about as big a jump as gtsport was to gt6 by the time gt7 releases. .

[CaptainHenry916]

Looks like another Sony exclusive that's going to get a great review score just like most Sony exclusives. Not surprised from hearing this from you though

[S2Killinit]

Ahahaha Krib and Obscure. Tell me, are you 2 the same person, answering each other? Or do you both rush to PS articles as soon as its critical? Im sure Obscure was relieved to find Krib had commented first, otherwise they would have lost their opportunity to derail the conversation.

I fully expect both of you... gentlemen, to be MIA once the reviews come out?

[DarXyde]

At least it's gameplay.

[Kribwalker]

@S2kill
derail the conversation? The article is asking if gt7 looks like a big upgrade. I’m sorry if me not praising sony for offering 2 games that look like ps4 games just upgraded slightly (spider-man) as next gen exclusive titles, that don’t look that next gen........i answered the question, i don’t think it looks much better yet

[Ricegum]

Wow. This comment section got flooded with Xbox fans so quick. You guys really want GT7 to be bad don't you.

OT. The game looks great, I think it's still a way off but I'm excited to see GT return to its roots again. No other racer offers a campaign as good as a Gran Turismo game.

[CaptainHenry916]

@Ricegum

Just like that *certain group* wanted the last of us 2 review to be bad 😁

[ProjectVulcan]

Probably because comparison footage is being made using GT Sport on a PS4 Pro, which is already running at 1800p, far above the base model.

PS4 Pro is still less than four years old hardware. We haven't had mainstream home consoles that had mid life refreshes to raise their performance like this before.

Inevitably that meant the gap would narrow to next gen machines.

If you only had GT Sport at 1080p on 2013 PS4 hardware then the comparison would be much more dramatic, 1080p to 4K with extra effects is obviously more impressive than 1800p to 2160p with a bit more polish.

[S2Killinit]

@krib
Come now, lets not act like you havent been doing this for ages.

[Kribwalker]

@ricegum
“ You guys really want GT7 to be bad don't you. ”

not in any way, i feel after a generation of OK exclusive racers, that Ps fans would want a new GT game that at least matches the quality the Forza series has been doing all gen. I loved the old GT games on the ps2, but since the PS3 GT prologue and the half game they released, it has been on a steady decline

[IRetrouk]

What do you even mean by quality? You mean car numbers krib, because quality wise gt sport was better than forza 7 in both car models, trackside details like trees and lighting and gt6 before that was of a higher quality than any forza on the previous gen too, that's not even getting into handling, or players becoming real world drivers.. or sales..
Gt7 100% looked like a jump, you could see that in the lighting and car models, trackside detail also looks better as did the shadows and interior details, you should do yourself a favour and watch the 4k 60fps feed, game really does look nice🤷‍♂️
Also spidey looked great, think you need your eyes looked at to be honest.

[yeahokwhatever]

There have been no shortage of excellent racing games on PS4. I still havent played anything as good as DriveClub this gen, and I have a high-end PC with all of the Forzas, Need For Speeds, Asetto, Project Cars, Dirts, etc. I freaking love racing. GT:Sport is an Esports game. They tacked on some career events to hold the classic fans over. Polyphony has said that the models built for GT Sport were actually being made at PS5 level detail this entire time and then downgraded to work with the PS4. If you actually play a ton of Sport, and then watch the 4k trailer for GT7, 2 things are obvious. 1: its a work in progress, but its a REAL DEMO. and 2: its much, much, much better looking than GT:Sport.
All that said, DriveClub was perfect and my favorite racer in the past 8 years.

[NeoGamer232]

I think there is a lot of differences.

The level of detail and type of detail in the environment is different. Check out the shadows and amount of things all around.

Also, when they are side by side inside the tunnel you can see that GT7 uses ray tracing for lighting to make it more realistic. (0:57 mark of the video)

[Games1st]

Confirmed in interview to have nearly all next gen features.

[Dragonscale]

Its far from impressive like your attempt at trolling. All it means is gt sport looks that good its hard to improve on it.

[bouzebbal]

GT sports does look impressive.. What will make difference is the amount of details off track, remove the load screens quick is the most annoying thing with the series.. I think they reached a level of realism in the cars with GTS.

[Keltech]

@Kribwalker " that Ps fans would want a new GT game that at least matches the quality the Forza series."

YIKES!!!, I cringed reading that. I'm surprised you wasn't embarrassed writing it. I don't think any GT fan would want cell shaded cars that look like they're hovering above the track.

[darthv72]

I really hope its not just GTS with a 7 on the end. I want this game to be SP focused (like all previous mainline GT games) and have the MP side to round it out. I know their deal with FIA and whatnot but seriously... for a game to wear that number, it has to be worthy of that number like the previous entries were.

[Atom666]

I think it will. They led off with talking about campaign for a reason, and I'm sure they've heard our GTS complaints.

[Tech5]

are the reflections ray-traced? what setting are they? mazda drives by and the driver does not show up in the reflections. https://youtu.be/rrHGSe6VvQ...

ray tracing shows all environment detail and cars. examples
https://youtu.be/GpTjTdnvEO...
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[AmUnRa]

Polyphony said the campaign will be like the old GT games, did you see the event last thursday? He said it clear as day😉

[BiofourceGun]

@ tech
after re-watching this a couple times. even being directly behind the Mazda in GT7 your car is not in the reflections. https://youtu.be/rrHGSe6VvQ...
it just reflects the background. i take it GT7 is using standard planar reflections.
planar reflections can still yield some pretty good results. https://youtu.be/ZphX42ZdqH...

[rainslacker]

GT:S seems to be integrated into GT7. It's off to the side of the menu. although it's just the live feed icon. But, it has cup races, you can modify your car much more than they allow in Sport, and it why wouldn't they provide at least an A-Spec campaign since they're making it a numbered GT. The menu itself also seems to be much more like the past couple numbered games.

If anything, this will be where you go to play GT:S into next gen.

GT:S itself would have been fine if they had released it with a proper A-Spec campaign. GT has had MP for a while, but the focus on this GT was more about competitive gaming.

[fr0sty]

Keep in mind objects can be omitted from ray tracing in order to save resources, it may be that they chose to only RT the background, or perhaps they aren't far enough along with optimization to have the cars included as well, we'll see when it releases.

[outsider1624]

Looks next gen to me. And im glad GT7 is back.
Every generation from PS1-PS3, i bought a GT. I only skipped sport because it didnt have what i love most about it - career mode.

Happy that it's back baby!

[ABizzel1]

That's because most of you don't know what to look for to show the graphical improvements because you've never had a PC to change graphic settings to understand the difference in quality.

The lighting thanks to Ray Tracing is a night and day difference.
The shadow quality (also partially thanks to RT) is a night and day difference.
Reflections are a night and day difference due to RT.
The environment is a much higher quality render with significantly more polygons and textures.

The only thing that may even be comparable are car models, because we know GT and all other racing games reuses car models to save time on development. But even then some of the cars are retextured and have Ray Tracing for the internal; components.

https://twitter.com/TigerCA...

The reality is this is what you guys get when you keep asking for 4K. A Native 4K resolution is a waste of the GPU power of these consoles, and if you're not watching this video on a 4K display then you're already taking away from the quality of GT 7.

[Knushwood Butt]

The visuals in GT Sport are great.

Just how much bettet can a car look?

[Knushwood Butt]

* better *

[gigzamillion]

"not in any way, i feel after a generation of OK exclusive racers, that Ps fans would want a new GT game that at least matches the quality the Forza series has been doing all gen."

Your comment is insulting and just an attempt to start a fight as usual. GT Sport is better than "ok" you'd know that had you actually played it, we appreciate your concern for all us Ps fans but we don't want a game like Forza but thanks anyway. GT is the real driving simulator always has been and always will be.

[badz149]

GTS already looks stunning. Sony even used it for their 8K/120fps HDR + real-time Ray tracing demo back in 2018 fgs! even Yamauchi-san said that the assets they used in GTS is next-gen ready.

the footage showed during the event looks quite good actually and they showcased the ray tracing feature and a lusher environment on the trial mountain compared to the last time we visited it in GT6.

the improvement will not just be in graphics. GT7 will definitely be 4K60fps, that much is certain and that alone already an improvement over GTS. RT will be added and 3D Audio through the tempest engine and there will be more cars and more circuit and of course the SP campaign that people like so much. It's just that I don't think they would want to release it too early and subsequently kill GTS when the later is still pretty much alive and kicking in the online department and not to forget that gamers can carry over their saves to the PS5 because it will be BC. so there will be a great racing game to play on the PS5 at launch in the form of GTS BC. who knows, they might release a PS5 patch for GTS to make it runs better on the PS5, right? that would be AWESOME!

[Rynxie]

Probably because polyphony is using the same engine as gt sport. They are known for using the engine (resources) of previous hardware. Not until gt8 will we see a next generation Gran Turismo.

[IRetrouk]

Gt1, gt 3, gt 5 and gt sport have all had new engines built for each of their respective platforms(gt 5 featured older series models for some cars, that's models though not engine) this is the first next gen gt that has been built with the last gen engine, which was built with the future in mind(plenty of interviews you can find to confirm), that's ofcourse assuming they are using the sport engine(nothings been confirmed yet). Forza is the game that actually resuses its engines and models, it's only getting a new build now after using an updated 360 engine all gen. Gt 7 will be as next gen as any other racer that comes out.

[Elit3Nick]

Your own idea of a generational leap won't happen anymore. It was different going from PS1 to PS2, and then PS2 to PS3, since new graphical techniques led to a significant jump in visual fidelity. Now with GT:S, there's already near-photorealistic graphics, so even ray-tracing won't lead to a significant visual improvement.

What we will likely see is an improvement in gameplay, namely more cars, more complex physics simulation, and other mechanics that will deepen the experience.

[Smclaren1985]

Don’t understand all the dislikes here friend, really nice to see someone actually being honest because what you’ve stated here is tue. They seemed to have slacked of a lot when it comes to visuals ever since the ps3 , this new game is finally a full game from the start but it’s clearly using the exact same engine. You can still see higher quality Lods popping into place as the car moves Through the level.Thats something I really thought the new ssd design should have almost completely eliminated could change though over time fingers crossed. It is Fairly obv in the sake of time they used the same engine just tweaked for ps5 here’s hoping they improve it further Not to say it loookd bad because it looks great

[Sonyslave3]

As it stand no it doesn't look all that different but it in early build form give it 2 or 4 years you gonna see the difference.

[rainslacker]

There are quite a few lighting effects, and overall, the car models do seem to be more detailed. But, GPU's have been able to render car shapes pretty well for a while now, including this gen, so I don't know how much further they can go, and the textures already are pretty good on driving games. That just leaves reflections, which is something that cars have when they're all polished up, and that was certainly an improvement shown in the GT7 trailer.

I'd be happy with a full PSVR mode though.:)

[DrDeath]

Full psvr would be stellar

[KilluaX3]

At least GT7 is running at playable frame rates if the 60fps/120fps thing is true.

[Ricegum]

I wonder how many times you've said "frame rate" or "fps" in the last week.

It must be a staggering amount.

[rainslacker]

If I had a nickel for every time he said it, he'd be getting pelted with a lot of nickels because I'd throw them at him.

[Rimeskeem]

You must hate watching movies or tv shows lol

[KilluaX3]

Those aren't interactive mediums. What a stupid comment.

[Dragonscale]

120 fps is actually pointless fgs lol.

[KilluaX3]

No it's not. It's considerably smoother compared to 60fps.

[shuvam09]

Driveclub 2 :'(

[I_am_Batman]

It looks good, but it's also obvious that they've used the PS4 build of GT Sport as a foundation for GT7. Draw distances and shadow LOD are potentially hard coded into the engine and those residuals are obviously very visable here. The raytraced reflections are a nice upgrade, but games striving for photorealism will have a hard time overcoming diminishing returns, especially when the last gen games already looked really good. It's possible that different times of day or different weather will show a greater visual gap between GT Sport and GT7.

I would imagine there is going to be more to GT7 than simply better looking graphics though. The 3D audio of the PS5 and haptic feedback on the controller might make these games a lot more immersive for people that aren't playing with a wheel and surround sound already.

[crazyCoconuts]

Agreed. Non-open-world Driving games already look so beautiful as is, the differences might be subtle.
I feel like there's lots more room to grow when you take VR into account. Even on PC the VR versions don't look great. If Sony can find a way to get GT7 to look great on PSVR2 and work with my existing wheel, I'm all in.

[Knushwood Butt]

Yep, G29 support and full game in PSVR please!

[yeahokwhatever]

I love it when people who lack any graphics programming xp say things they dont understand. Adorable.

[I_am_Batman]

What do you think I don't understand about the things I've mentioned? These are very basic concepts, otherwise I wouldn't even mention them here. I'm not a professional 3D artist. I'm a software engineer who is very interested in game design. I try to educate myself on every aspect of game development and have at least dabbled in most fields associated with it.

I'm not too arrogant to admit when I made a mistake, quite the contrary. I welcome any corrections, because that gives me another opportunity to learn something new. So why don't you make your criticism a bit more concrete so we can actually have a constructive discussion about it instead of throwing around baseless accusations and assumptions?

[Rimeskeem]

Your name is a good answer to all your comments.

[rainslacker]

Not sure why you would assume that draw distances and LOD's are hard coded into an engine. That defies all logic. LOD's in particular are programmed on the application level to be able to plug in a specific LOD based on the distance it is from the camera. Draw distance is just a clipping of where to stop the draw, and it can be set by a variable.

It's possible they used the GT:S engine....in fact its very likely. The engine itself is fine for what it does, and there is no reason to reinvent the wheel to make a new GT game. Just improve on what was there before....which hopefully is the AI, driving physics, and graphics. At least with the SSD, we hopefully won't have to wait while the track loads....a GT staple.:)

[I_am_Batman]

It just seems like the most likely explanation for what we're seeing in regards to the Shadow LOD pop in and draw distance for the tunnel lights to me. I've only looked at GT7 briefly so I might've missed some more tells that could answer those questions more definitively. I might take another look at it over the weekend, if I find a high bitrate video.

Yes, you could and should do these things using variables, but bad coding practices happen all the time especially when there was no intention to ever change the value due to it being a console exclusive game. We've seen similar things with Bloodborne for example, where the expected framerate was so deeply integrated into the source code, that any alteration to it would screw with the logic of the game.

It's of course possible that it was an oversight, and it is indeed a simple fix, but no matter what causes these issues, I expect them to be fixed before the game launches.

[rainslacker]

It's more likely the rendering routine needs modified to adapt to the higher speeds of the PS I/O. Rendering routines will do things in a certain order, and different hardware, even if similar, may not operate as efficiently.

I can't see them hard coding the things into the engine though, and even if they were, they'd have variables set to them. LOD's in particular are going to vary between objects, so hard coding them into an engine makes no sense.

[Melankolis]

"games striving for photorealism will have a hard time overcoming diminishing returns"
I agree. Games such as Uncharted 4 and TLOU Part 2 have already looked very good.

[EazyC]

Yes -- people forget HOW good GT Sport looks, to be console-only and a class leader in the sim racing genre is quite incredible.

[waverider]

The final version will be a big jump. Thats not the problem. The big question is how much time to launch the game? Graphics arent the question... Its time. He LIKES perfection, small details!

[Dee_91]

yeah. after gtsport released, i learned not to question PD's graphical prowess lol. There wasnt a release window at the end and that kinda scare me

[boing1]

Watch Digital Foundry. GT 7 has ray tracing and is aiming at 4k 60fps.

[Tacoboto]

The lighting is the biggest difference - even in that thumbnail we see the lighting be that much more natural and Sport's is harsher

[ProjectVulcan]

It has some 1/4 resolution ray tracing on body reflections of the player's car in gameplay.

It looks good but it won't be transformative, especially if you use cockpit cam all the time!

[boing1]

And? It's still doing something that wasn't possible on consoles before.

[ProjectVulcan]

And? The 'and' was me expounding with more details the use of the technology in this game.

That was literally the 'and' my little lad.

[boing1]

Yeah, but why is it important and why it suddenly needs to be transformative? And you didn't 'expound' anything, Digital Foundry did. You just repeated it. My point still stands. It wasn't possible before and now it will be. Do you somehow feel threatened by this? Why the downplay? And PS5 as a whole has a huge chance to be transformative, especially with the controller and hyper ssd.

[timotim]

Didnt the Pro version of GTS also run at 4K/60? So is that all the PS5 is capable of once RT is enabled?

[boing1]

No, it wasn't full 4k. It's enough for 90% of people.

[ProjectVulcan]

It runs 1800p checkerboarded on PS4 Pro. GT7 looks to take a small step up and moves the game to native 4K.

[timotim]

Oh wow...I'm sorry to hear that. So it was already behind the competition huh...

Simple resolution bumps with some RT elements wont get their game looking next-gen however. Everything looks the same from the trackside detail to the environments to the interiors of the car...like PS4 Pro 1.5

[boing1]

What competition? GT is available only on PlayStation.

[Atticus_finch]

Poor Tim.
Competition?! Hahahaha
Imma leave this for you.

https://youtube.com/watch?v...

[timotim]

Poor Atticus
Competition is ANY racing game that has the potential to pull gamers away from GT and on to it instead. Its peers.
Imma leave this for you.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

[Knushwood Butt]

Competition is good.

I'm looking forward to reduced load times, improved PSVR sipport, and more varied AI.

In GT Sport I hate that dumb algorithm or whatever it is where a car in front of you goes off the track just so that it can rejoin the circuit with perfect timing to hit you.

[boing1]

How other games can pull someone away if that someone wants to play GT? If you're a fan of something, nothing will pull you away. That's the power of exclusive games.

[rainslacker]

Our computers at work make Forza run and look a lot better than what you see on your X1X. Granted, they're $4K super rigs with GPU's that aren't available to the public yet that we write our own drivers for, but still, your XSX is well behind the competition obviously.

Better GPU's often have a funny way of improving the visuals.

[neutralgamer1992]

timotim

What competition GT is sales king and is PlayStations biggest IP. Competetion has yet to catch up to GT and competetion keeps releasing yearly games while one GT gets free support for years

$60 forza at launch of Xbox one with $50 season pass never forget

[gigzamillion]

"Everything looks the same from the trackside detail to the environments to the interiors of the car...like PS4 Pro 1.5"

It doesn't look the same so stop trolling and trying to start fanboy arguments in an article for a game you don't care about on a console you don't own. You've mentioned openly in the comment sections before that you don't own or care about Playstation so its obvious you're just here to troll.

[Atticus_finch]

You proved nothing since GT continues to provide more quality than any other racer. GTS is far ahead of the competition, ahead enough that it has no competition.

[RebelWAC]

I can't wait to see how/when they implement a weather system.

[lazyboyblue]

I think Phil Spencer forewarned us of this when he said the generational leap would be in different areas over than graphics this time.
The power is a unquestionable leap but maybe we've hit a ceiling in what can be achieved artistically at the moment. Unreal engine 5 and other new engines will bring the graphical leap in the coming years.
Until then, games will still feel better if frame rates are up. Then we have 4k, her and haptic feedback to enjoy as well. Sound design is another area that's finally being treated to some innovation as well.

[Godmars290]

"I think Phil Spencer forewarned us of this when he said the generational leap would be in different areas over than graphics this time."

And yet the only thing MS have been talking up has been graphics. Their fan camp the T-Flop difference.

By all counts if the PS5 has an advantage, its going to be load time. Sony's experience in putting out 1st party titles.

[Kavorklestein]

The Tflops have been talked about for the power and ability to give series X better performance... not just "gfx" like you are saying. I think the time will come when 1st party Devs for PS5 and Series X may shock us with what they can do about 3 or 4 years down the line. Perhaps sooner? But still, nothing so far screams "next gen" for me as far as graphics. But the fact these consoles will perform like a very high end PC for a fraction of the cost, and last me a whole generation like 7+ years, and offer "software remasters" or upgrades on games I already own is a main selling point.

[yeahokwhatever]

my GPU from 2 years ago does 12.7 TFLOPS in my PC. There's more to it than TFLOPS. Talent. Microsoft has none.

[AK91]

Wait till the final product and then make comparison.

[MoonConquistador]

Yeah, but that approach doesn't suit the narrative being pushed so hard since the PS 5 reveal event.

[Tacoboto]

Eh, it's a good counterbalance to the AC:Valhalla 4k/30fps narrative.

Which all boils down to exactly what AK91 suggests.

[timotim]

Oh...I was under the impression that if its ready to be shown, then its ready to have opinions formed about it.

If Sony wanted to wait until its release to show us the game, then you would have a point...I dont know how far off GT7 is, but I do know they made it their business to show it off thinking it would give off good impressions...

[rainslacker]

Don't Xbox fans form opinions about games that haven't been shown also? I've been hearing how great Halo Infinite will be since it was a X1 only game. Not to mention all these unknown games from new and brought studios.

[gigzamillion]

It did give off a good impression but no matter how it looked there was gong to be certain people to downplay it, pick it apart and troll the comment section over it.

[Obscure_Observer]

@rainslacker

"Don't Xbox fans form opinions about games that haven't been shown also? I've been hearing how great Halo Infinite will be since it was a X1 only game."

Interesting...

Based on a single CGI trailer, We heard that Halo Infinite would be a next gen only game, we would not be able to play as Master Chief, it would be GaaS and a MP only focused game... all FUD bs of course.

And we heard all that... from you. :/

[timotim]

@Rain

How can you form an opinion about games you dont even know exist yet??? You are free to speculate for sure on games that might be announced or what you hope will be. But Sony officially revealed this game...we have every right to give our opinions on it. It looks very much like GTS with RT added. And Halo Infinite was never an X1 only game. From the first time it was shown, it was announced as X1 AND Windows 10.

[Zega]

I say it again "ps4" graphics! Nothing more!

[outsider1624]

Go check again. There's a difference.

[boing1]

Why repeat something untrue?

[gigzamillion]

Repeating it doesn't make it true but you go ahead if that's what you need to do.

[Godmars290]

Its a racing sim.

[buffig]

This what happens when people don't understand what theyre looking at. Just the addition or raytracing is a massive leap.

[traumadisaster]

Well that’s a problem because those that don’t know what they’re looking at do look into their wallet.

Just like those who watch TVs on vivid mode you can’t convince them, and if they like it so what. Same goes if they don’t see much of an improvement on ray tracing and such.

[dumahim]

Is GT Sport running ray tracing reflections?
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[StoneyYoshi]

Clearly it is not... the PS4 doesn't support it. GT Sport uses a very common technique called SSR (Screen Space Reflections) Basically a low-quality reflection of an object that can only show up as a reflection if it is in the cameras field of view whereas, with Ray Tracing the object doesn't need to be in the cameras FOV to create the reflection of the object.

I believe during the RTX showcase with BF5 they were showing how that works compared to ray tracing.
A good example of Ray tracing in the GT7 Trailer is when they show the car in the car trailer with the mirrors on both sides. With SSR, there would be no way to render the side of the car's reflection since the side of the car isn't visible by the cameras FOV.

[dumahim]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[StoneyYoshi]

Lol maybe add the /s next time. just looked like a clueless question to me. I get clueless questions on the daily at work.

[BenRC01]

Probably using ps4 assest as usual. Only care about vr anyway, pretty much done with the mx5 to lambo gameplay loop.

[boing1]

Well, they were boasting about future-proofing and car models being prepered in 8k during GT Sport development. They even showed GT in 8k at some point to show off some Sony TVs. So yeah, it'll be PS4 assets, but with higher quality. I hope for proper PSVR support this time too. GT Sport had too little.

[Jrios355]

I remember a couple of years ago when GT6 was announced, the developers said something about a tradition of releasing 2 Gran Turismo games in one console generation. With GT Sport being the only GT game on the PS4, I guess they changed their minds.

[MoonConquistador]

And that could still happen if GT 7 comes to PS 4 too.

There's nothing been suggested that it's PS 5 exclusive, and on the flip side of that, nothing saying it's going to release on both either.

But they'd be mad to overlook an install base of 120 million PS 4's which will be a reality by the time PS 5 releases.

[Magog]

Draw distances in sport are garbage so yeah it looks way better.

[Asuka]

I'm sure it'll look better once it's finished. I don't know if anyone has a direct feed of the gameplay but the 1080p 30fps live stream doesn't do it justice

[CrimsonWing69]

all racing games look good to me. Like whenever I see a demo for the next Forza, Dirt, GT game they all look good. It's kind of a moot point to use them as a tech demo because it just looks like another racing game.

[isarai]

I think this is one of those things where it will really only stand out when you have it running natively on your screen. But even so what was shown wasn't the most impressive improvement. Hopefully they can show something more impressive later on

[Visual Dragon]

Look at the pop in, in the rear view mirror last gen still has it gt7 looks to have no pop in meaning everything is rendered at once.

[sampsonon]

Yes, it does.

[Movefasta1993]

Not visually because car games are reaching photo realism faster than other genres , frame rate lighting and weather is where we will see the big Iimprovements in next gen .

[ForwardDude]

Asking the question reveal you watched the trailer not in 4k or on a cheap 4K TV. In 4k, GT7 look better.

[Saaleh]

This looks better than Gt sport, I remember watching gt sport for the first time and it looked awful. But in release date it started to really look impressive and unique. Just give Gt7 time and you will see the charm ;)

Off topic, I'm really triggered by the ad in the phone. I just feel mad every time I open a page. Ok, this is it I'm close to getting over this website. I just need to find an alternative and get used to it than I'm out of here.

[BillyG0AT]

PSVR support?

[traumadisaster]

During the Sony show I immediately glanced at the trees to see the new generation and damn, in the background where I suppose they think we don’t look I saw a kinda blocky improved shitty tree once again.

Of course sim and immersion is top notch but fix the trees by now.

[Lon3wolf]

I thought that but on the live stream only, watched the vids put up after and everything is much better?

[timotim]

Looks very much like a current gen game...thought as much during the show. This is the same studio which took 5 years to bring out the light on content GTS which was the lowest rated GT of all time...5 YEARS. The fanboys said that Polyphony was already gearing up for next-gen with 8K cars and how it wouldn't take a long time for the next game to hit shelves. Now we are hearing how the game is still early which means we dont expect this game around launch? Didnt GTS come out in 2017? Wasn't that 3 years ago and its still not close to finished? I'm sorry but the game didnt show well. Noticeable pop in and shadow detail on a platform with a marketing campaign based around its SSD and asset streaming...not a good look.

[IRetrouk]

It took 4 years not 5, gt 6 came out in 2013, gt sport in 2017, they built a brand new engine from the ground up, why do you think forza 8 is taking so long this time and not the standard two years?

Not finished? It came out exactly how and with what it was announced to come with, and has only got better every month since then, you can keep saying car numbers all you like and quoting the metacritic score but how would you know what the game is like,? You barely played it at all, you are literally judging a game on numbers vs playing what's there lol, not to mention the things they added that were not even supposed to be in the game, like the single player campaign, or the free stuff like cars and tracks, you big up sea of thieves for its continued support and say how good it now Is, yet gt sport has had more content than that added to it yet you feel no different to sport than you did before launch🤔

Looks current gen?? Lol the raytracing alone makes it look a step up, so much fud in your comment, Gt 7 looked great and those small glitches will clearly be ironed out, you and a lot of other xbox fans were saying the exact same thing about sport and look what happend, the pro version was better than forza 7 running on a pc, digital foundry done a great comparison you should really check it out.

[timotim]

My apologies...4years, not 5. Thats still a long time for the worse rated and lightest on content GT ever. And the next Forza has been in development for 3 years...will it be out before GT7??? There is usually 2 GTs every generation, this was the first time their was only one and it was the worse. I was told that the next GT was going to be a lot sooner because of that, yet we have the fanboys now saying to wait until its done to judge and that its a ways off. We didnt decide to show it off...Sony did right. Why would they show it if they weren't confident in its capabilities?

And no...no one can honestly say its a generational leap after viewing that footage. I'm sorry. Yes, it looks to be a step up from GTS...but only in the same way the PS4 Pro version was a step up from the base PS4...basically its just a step up of what otherwise looks like the same game. Do we even know for sure if its using real RT? Is it fully RT? Did the environments change much? Did the trackside detail? It looks like GTS with updated lighting, nothing more.

[IRetrouk]

Whatever man, you said the exact same crap about gt sport and it turned out great, yes it was lighter on content than previous games, so what? That takes nothing away from the quality, you can say gt 7 isnt a jump all you like, everyone has eyes man lol.

We wont know when the next forza or gt will release, we have to wait for both companies to say, but so far we have seen one and not the other, both have been getting made for 3 years.

What does how many releases a series has per gen got anything to do with anything?, they supported sport the whole gen instead of making a sequel, you keep saying it was the worst but it wasnt, it was the best in terms of driving feel of any gt ever, but again you have to play it to really know that.

The game will take as long as it takes, not really sure what the point of that is?

You can judge it now if you like, it looked good lol, pointing out one light source and a couple of shadows that didnt happen to stream in right and blowing them up as massive problems from a pre alpha build and equating that as sony not being confident is a bit crazy considering how well the game looks, and how much they showed, but you do you, the game will be another great addition to gt.

[timotim]

Ok...whatever. I giving my opinions that for some reason make you upset because it goes against what you want to hear about the game...or any game for that matter on your platform of choice. Based off the footage that SONY put out for the game, it looks less than stellar. It has noticeable pop in on a console with a marketing campaign based around its SSD and asset streaming. Trackside detail and environments look exactly the same. Models look exactly the same. Everything looks the same except lighting and some new RT elements. This is based off footage from both GT7 and GTS. However, I agree with you...it does look good...it just doesnt look like a generational leap from what was there before.

[IRetrouk]

You dont upset me tim, you make me laugh, I play the game, you dont, you talk numbers of cars, I talk gameplay😂

Platform of choice🤔 I play on xbox as much as playstation, it's not about platform of choice it's about a known xbox fan talking crap about a game he doesnt play, on a system he doesnt own, arguing with people who do🤷‍♂️ you can try and call out my bias all you like but it's you that still talks about sport being low on content even after all its updates then turns around and praises sea of thieves for the exact same thing...even though it launched with less content than sport and got less dlc too, bias indeed...

Yes the game had a couple of glitches, nothing to do with the ssd, but I wouldnt expect you to know that to be fair, again they will be ironed out and take nothing away from the game, it was pre alpha lol, use it to talk down the game all you like, you done the same with sport and look how it turned out, not only technically better than its competitors but the highest selling racing sim this gen too, a lower metacritic, car numbers and an online focus took nothing away from what gt was about, again, if you would have sat down and played it you would known this.

Gt 7 shows a clear jump in all those areas you mentioned, you really need your eyes looked at if you think everything but the lighting looks the same....madness.

[Yusi-D-Jordan]

Couple of things to notice here:

GT7 runs at Native 4K 60fps
GT7 has full raytraced reflections - The difference is immediately apparen when comparing the reflections on the car - this is much more visible in 3rd person mode.
GT7 also looks to use Ray traced global illumination, which is why the screens light up in the right manner and the lighting is consistent.
The AA, AF and TF are all much higher quality so you don’t get flickering and aliasing issues.

Remember, this is an upgraded engine and not a brand new one - we’re VERY early in next gen, once studios get a hand on developing their own tools, these games will utilize all the new features.

[Petebloodyonion]

Just remember that a lot of theses games will also launch on PS4. I don't recall a PLaystation5 exclusive before the trailer.
Just remember that Sony was still advertizing the 400$ PS4 pro in February
https://www.youtube.com/wat...
I doubt that Sony will give them the middle finger by saying tks for your purchase but now you need to buy the newer model at "X" $

[timotim]

They didnt need to give a PS5 logo before the trailer...they already put out the notice after the GTA5 fiasco that everything from this moment forward would be running on PS5...GT7 was included in that.

[Petebloodyonion]

There's a difference between running on PS5 and being exclusive to PS5.
Also noted that in the ratchet and Clank Trailer it's clearly mentioned Captured on PS5 while not really mentioned in the GT7 trailer.
Point is it could clearly be an upgraded port of the PS4 version.

[gigzamillion]

"fiasco", there was no fiasco again stop trolling.

[Oxen21]

GT7 looks really amazing!

[DFresh]

Keep in mind that’s only Alpha footage of GT7 running on PS5. There’s still a lot more time to polish before release.

[jznrpg]

It’s not a finished game . Xbox people are so worried about PS they jump to every article to downplay and misinform.

[Bruh]

Its basically GT Sport with Ray Traced reflections and even there somewhat limited. They also upgraded the engine to add Dynamic weather and time of day as the trailer showed. It's not the vast leap that one expected

[OptimusC]

better lighting for sure and less jaggies. but overall fairly similar just cleaned up a bit.

[Father__Merrin]

There's no real media released and your already skating it. Wait till we get proper previews all of your mouths will be closed

[timotim]

You mean...the official reveal was not a "proper" preview of the game??? 🤔

[gigzamillion]

"Preview" your words

noun: "an inspection or viewing of something before it is bought or becomes generally known and available"

noun: display (a product, movie, play, etc.) before it officially goes on sale or opens to the public

Its an early look it will improve stop trolling. If someone was doing what you're doing throughout this comment section in a Forza comment section you'd be irate so just stop already.

[--Onilink--]

I think for the cars themselves (both inside and out) it already reached the point of diminishing returns a while ago. However I thinks its on the environments, lightning and shadow(plus maybe even higher fps modes) that the difference will really be noted, both in Forza and GT

[UltimateRacer]

Just from the comparisons of Early Development GT7 and GTSports now GT7 is a big improvement already in a number of areas, GT7 will look phenomenal when it’s release comes around just as Sports does now.

[IRetrouk]

The exact same things were being said about sport that's being said right now, by the exact same users too lol

[UltimateRacer]

I remember people moaning about Sport when the early Development footage was released and it looked horrible but the final game looks amazing in comparison so a lot will change between now and then.

[IRetrouk]

Yep, 100% on that

[Redlife2g]

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this game will be breathtaking on ps5

[Mirreles144]

Okay real GT gamers if you notice the acceleration and break pointers (when you press R2 or L2) see how in GT7 you can accelerate and brake at the same time, and I don't think a "simulator" should allow us to do that as you can't do it in a real car.

[Fishy Fingers]

What do you mean? Left foot breaking?

"It is most commonly used in auto racing (simultaneous gas and brake keeps turbo pressure and reduces turbo lag)."

[rainslacker]

You can do that in a real car, and even do it in GT as far back as GT5. Maybe before, but I can't recall.

For tight circuit tracks that's what you should do because it means less lag when coming out of the turn. Braking slows the wheels, but the accelerator doesn't necessarily cause it to speed up. Acceleration is more a function of the displacement from the transmission.

[Duke19]

Its going to look damn good - but all racing games have looked damn good for years. Im sure there will improvements, but you are kidding yourself if you think that side by side these wont be incredibly similar visually.

People claiming that just because its PS5 they are going to be "more than a generational improvement" are out of their mind. Sony's grip over N4G is mind blowing

[SugarSoSweet]

Looks like a game of the same generation if you ask me.....

[W1ldWolf]

Doesn't need to be a huge jump, just give me faster loading, farther draw distance with less pop in and I am good this gen.

[Neonridr]

Lighting, draw distance, overall texture clarity, maybe dynamic weather (if GT Sport didn't have it already)

[moriarty1889]

yes it is.

[Bandit50]

I play sport everyday i invested in a wheel/peddle/playseat set up just for GT Sport , i play it on the pro and it looks fantastic but GT 7 looks way better too me , i can see a huge difference in how it looks , i cant wait to see the final product and be playing it , its going to be awesome to be back on trial mountain , the mighty PS5 will do GT 7 proud , it will be killer GT game ... my opinion anyway .

[Pyrofire95]

A lot sharper, more foliage density, reflections, draw distance, lighting. It's subtle but much nicer.

[ILostMyMind]

GTS is a phenomenal game, indeed.

[WelkinCole]

Trust xbots to downplay the graphics.

Anyone with proper eyesight can see the difference.

[badboyz09]

NBA 2K21(If that was gameplay) and Horizon were the only Next gen games to me.
Honorable Mention: Ratchet

[gigzamillion]

Yes it looks significantly better and its still early so it will most likely improve beyond what we see now. The fact that Sport holds up so well in comparison is testimony to the talent of Polyphony and the power of PS4. Definitely looking forward to this one and excited about having a good campaign mode from the start.

[xetiro]

More important to me is that Sony had the courage to go ahead and show us a glimpse of “Work-in-Progress” games developed for and running on PS5 systems.

GT7 is exactly that, a “work-in-progress” title already running on PS5. So I am sure the game will still improve in all departments including visuals.

So this is the real deal and can only get better from here. Not some non-gameplay propaganda running on PC rigs as a promise of “expected visuals”.

Personally, I am interested in having full car races in VR with GT7 on PS5.

[UltimateRacer]

Exactly yes they are using the GTsport engine but now it will be used to it’s full potential plus that engine was build around GCN architecture with an HDD on PS4 so there will be big changes for GT7 on PS5 once they optimise the engine.

[Games1st]

Focus is on next gen features. It has nearly all of them.

[FlavorLav01]

The feeling of inertia looked and sounded greater in this trailer for GT7. Don’t know why, but shifting and breaking looked more realistic than I’ve ever seen it in other racing games. Thought to myself, give me a good wheel set up and some practice, and I’ll have my Getaway skills polished! Lol I’m ready for more of this one, especially with a proper campaign mode!

[Charal]

Not sure the circuit used in GT Sports for this comparison is the best choice. I think grass an trees are much better in GT7.
Let’s hope the GT7 will include real time weather change this time.

[maikel19]

Not the leap I thought it would be, but as games get more realistic it leaves with more room to improve. make you admire how powerful the ps4 really is

[Edito]

This article title responds to the Xbox fans that are betting their souls on the 12TF, we are in the diminishing returns in terms of raw polygon count... The devil here is in the details and will be in every single nextgen game be it from Xbox or Playstation, the things that will play big roll is: DoF, light, volumetric clouds, speed, AI, particle effects, things like that... I think that is the route this gen is moving to.

[Wolf873]

I do see clear improvement in visuals for GT7, specifically regards to lighting. A good lighting goes a long way to complement realistic aesthetics. And quite honestly we're past those days when graphics evolution was a night and day difference (similar to generational leap from PS1->PS2->PS3 etc), now it's like a shift from day to mid-noon hehe. But improvements noticeable nonetheless.

[FyBy]

People dont understand, generational leap should be measured from OG PS4. And thats FHD vs UHD with more details and maybe better fps. So thats a huge leap! Of course more resolution, less people notice difference. From 4K to 8K despite 4x more pixels, most people dont even notice, because they dont have 8K TV or they have 75" or smaller TV.

[Rimeskeem]

There really is only so much you can improve with textures and fidelity. I think the PS5 will bring more to the table in terms of sound design and physics if implemented by the developer.

[TommyVercetti88]

Watch in 4k🙄

[GordyNYC]

looking forward to playing the campaign.

[persi]

ray tracing is really expensive on gpu, for a small visual improvment sometimes. I am not sure it is the way to follow.

[fxa5209]

Not much of a difference. I expected some revolutionary enhancements as we have seen in the past from PD. I would not buy this game again for a few lighting enhancements.

[plmkoh]

Reflections on the cars now run at native frame rates and are flipped like a mirror which is correct. GT Sport simply repeated the background samples from the perspective of the player and isn't a real reflection.

Overall the game looks like GT Sport's intro visuals but rendered in real time with anti-aliasing, object based motion blur and will be many times the native resolution. These are all good specs.

[gazgriff2k12]

Am i the only one that sees a hugh improvment?

[DrDeath]

Wow early build and so many haters. It looked incredible at points and showed ray tracing in a few areas for sure. Does no one remember that Gran Turismo sport looked poopy in the beginning too then it launched and all the haters ate crow fast?

Gunna happen again. Psvr and a full gt game gunna sell like crazy to car guys like myself.

[EazyC]

Don't care as GT Sport looks great, it's considered to be the best looking racing game aside from ACC on PC. Raytracing, rain, dynamic weather and a proper tyre model are all I could ever ask for....

And PS4 wheel compatibility of course!

[Father__Merrin]

Yes it is wait till we have full gameplay breakdowns with 4k footage polyphony will never disappoint in visuals why should they all of a sudden drop the ball? Roll on ps5 can't wait for the haters seething at the teeth...

[shauzy]

i think its because they focused gt sport to become 60fps on 4k, so they had to sacrifice, idk im not sure

[ARandomUser181]

Honestly, you shouldn't expect crazy improvements. GT Sport was already at an amazing level in terms of graphics, the PS5 just has that extra power to make improvements where it's needed. From the comparison video linked above, I can see an improvement - mostly with lighting and reflections.

GT Sport already has ray tracing I believe, i'm sure i've seen somewhere that it does but anyway, now that the PS5 supports ray tracing they can push things further which would mostly be improvements to the lighting & reflections. After all that's essentially all ray tracing does, allows for better lighting and reflections - to my knowledge anyway.

In terms of graphical power, I would say the PS4 is probably on par with something like the GTX 1060/1070 both powerful graphics cards for sure, as for the PS5 I would say it now has the RTX variant of those cards. Which would be RTX 2060/2070. This is irrelevant sure but i'm only saying this so people can better understand why you don't see a huge difference between GT Sport and GT7, now the GTX 1060/1070 cards will run any game on max settings and allow them to look good, RTX just allows for the cherry on top, which is pretty much just the ray tracing aspect and as I said before, that literally just allows for better lightning & reflections. Just something I wanted to add to again, help give people a better understanding as to why they don't see a huge leap from GT Sport to GT7.

Realistically I think the SSD is the key part i'm looking forward to the most in the PS5, purely because loading games, navigating around them and loading into maps/tracks and such will be so much faster than the PS4 and that's huge.