Why Are Sony And Nintendo So Silent? What Are They Waiting For?

Their silence may be frustrating, but there is a method to their madness.

[KilluaX3]

They have nothing to show. Absolutely nothing.

[AspiringProGenji]

Sony must have a lot to show, but they are not in a hurry for that. MS is the one that has to still make amends for their mistakes this gen and prove that next gen will be different. Everything they have show is exciting and it is working for them as it should, but Sony is not in that position and they don’t need to immediately respond

Waiting until the competition show all their cards is actually good strategy that winners can afford. Even if that makes us wait longer for something and impatient, the PS4 is enough entertainment until then. There are many great games to play this year to ease the wait

[Gazondaily]

"Waiting until the competition show all their cards is actually good strategy that winners can afford."

Well at least now people can stop with the 'SonY hAs No cOmpeTition' posts lol. Clearly that nonsense wasnt ever true and the proof is in the pudding.

[The Wood]

Nah. I just think they're moving at their own beat. They have that luxury right now. They don't have to do anything in response or in line with Microsoft. Never get goaded into doing things before you planned.

We all know approximately when the console will be released so it's up to them when they reveal. Some people are getting anxious and wondering when it'll be so that doesn't work in their favor but it's not like Sony said when they'd reveal the ps5 then negated on that.

The no competition narrative could be attributed to 2 things. 1, Microsoft didn't compete this gen or 2, Phil's words about Sony or Nintendo not being their main competitor being misinterpreted or taken too literally. Either way if gaming is xbox's business, Sony and Nintendo are competitors no matter how you deliver content. Stupid comment from a library of stupid comments from dude

[S2Killinit]

@Aspiring
True. There is no reason they need to rush. MS is probably in a hurry to make people forget this generation as fast as possible, so Sony & Ninty can hold off until its time to make their moves.

[Spurg]

No matter how much of their cards they show its too late in the game to change anything. The only thing that can be changed the way they present the info.

[Realms]

Isn't MS not in competition with Sony and Nintendo anymore according to them google, amazon, and apple are the real competition. LOL

[343_Guilty_Spark]

@Septic

The competition can wait too.

[CaptainHenry916]

@Septic

They don't have competition. It's laughable to be honest

[timotim]

I have one question and one question only...what is it that Nintendo has to be silent about? Im not understanding these headlines...they seem weird recently.

[GOULDYBOBS]

Like my dad says, why buy new technology if it will only get better

[indysurfn]

This article has fact problems for instance they say Sony and Nintendo has not had communication for awhile pointing to Nintendo they say it has not had any for the largest gap. Nintendo just had one
on 01/01/2020. ABOUT A MONTH AGO. A simple website check at Nintendo will show they had 6 last year.
And already 1 this year and about to have another one. https://www.nintendo.com/ni...

[DarkZane]

@Septic Sony does have competition ... it's Nintendo. Everyone sane realized a long time ago that Microsoft simply can't win against Sony no matter they do. The only ones who still think they have a chance are the hardcore Xbox fanboys. Even Microsoft realized it since they tried to change the narrative by saying google and amazon are their competition.

[Fist4achin]

Shhhhhh...

[Elda]

Always know the ones that stay silent usually always end up making a big bang.

[neutralgamer1992]

The reason Sony hasn't shown anything who knows but I do know this they want that $399 price point($450) is the actual cost at launch to manufacture

Sony is more than willing to take $50 loss to gain install base. In the long run they will make a lot more back in subscriptions and software sales. So ms best be ready to match $399 otherwise it's over

[madpuppy]

HAHA, that is the difference between MS and Sony/Nintendo corporate culture, Microsoft is the LOUDEST when they have nothing, they regale everyone with tales of cloud computing and secret sauce meant to tickle the ears...typical of a braggart. Sony and Nintendo, on the other hand keep quiet and build anticipation with their customers, future and present. You know from the past that they will not disappoint with hollow statements and promises of amazing technology that turns out to be as gossamer as a wisp of smoke from a candle blown out from the slightest breeze.
I'll take the silence before the storm over the hollow promises ANY DAY!

[Chaos_Order]

Don't mind me. I'm just bookmarking this comment so I can add it to r/agedlikemilk when the time comes. :)

[TrueRican69]

Sony got alot to show .

[CorndogBurglar]

Didn't both Sony and MS wait until E3 2013 to reveal the Xbox One and PS4? And then didn't they launch in October and November of the same year, just a couple months after E3?

Soooooo......why is it surprising that they haven't officially unveiled the PS5 in February?

[Felix_Argyle_Catbro]

Sony revealed PS4 in February 2013.

[CorndogBurglar]

@Felix_Argyle_Catbro

No, bro. In February of 2013 all Sony did was announce that the PS4 would be releasing Holiday of 2013. They didn't reveal a price or even show the console. They did all that at E3 2013.

[Moonman]

It's funny how the two with "nothing to show' are the only two I'm interested in. :)

[Gazondaily]

It seems like Sony may be in a bind here IF the rumours are true.

Xbox has a power advantage.
The Bloomberg article highlights that Sony might really be stuck when it comes to pricing. Sony now may be #waitingforE3 for Microsoft to show its hand when it comes to price. Even then, a lower priced SKU and higher priced and more powerful XSX with not a significant price increase over the PS5 could cause some issues for Sony.

It depends on how hard MS wants to compete on price. Spencer has said that Xbox wont be out of position in power or price this gen. Remember how Jim Ryan and co at Sony were running up and down the halls celebrating when Xbox One price was revealed? It shows how crucial pricing is.

There is mounting pressure on Sony to reveal something, particularly as it is not attending E3. The continued silence and the leaks and industry chatter seems to suggest a far less confident Sony in the run up to next gen. But, at this point, we can only make educated based on these rumours. All will be revealed in the coming months.

[lifeisgamesok]

I don't like the silence from Sony about the PS5 I think they should show a 1st party game if the reveal is still months away but when the full reveal happens, all will be forgiven

[AngelicIceDiamond]

It's interesting this gen Sony was a head of the game with the PS event and controlling the news and the positive perception. Forcing MS to scramble around months later to have an event (which they fumbled themselves )

With the PS5 parts being problematic with the price and struggling with market price proposition just shows that no matter what, it's always a stressful time for both companies handling new consoles. I, just like everyone else thought Sony was gonna do what they did with PS4 but it's always not that simple I suppose.

It's a cold War stages. Which is typically the longest most frustrating stages of pre- next gen goodness.

[Silly gameAr]

Does the thought of that rumor make you feel all giddy inside? One thing in your comment is true for sure, though. All will be reveled in the coming months.

[ziggurcat]

With an expected MSRP of $499.99 I don't think the cost of the PS5 would change at all, so the doom n' gloom of it all is a bit exaggerated, considering that they sold the PS4 for $399.99 when it cost them $381/unit: https://www.engadget.com/20...

[AngelicIceDiamond]

"Many of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on the predecessor machine"”

-Kenchiro Yoshida Chief Executive Officer

You mention rumors though everybody reported on Sony having only PS5 games. But that in itself was a rumor started by JS and every single person ran with it. Sony has never confirmed PS5 only games everyone just assumed and passed it off as fact. Tbh there's way too many things being said and illusions to make out what's, what. Nothing's "real" because nothing has officially been announced by Sony just the logo, God fall and controller features that's it.

[Silly gameAr]

There were people that were ready and willing to pay that much for the series X, and that's how much the X1X cost, but, by the tone of septic's comment, I guess there wouldn't be people willing to pay that much for the PS5. SO, I guess if the series x turns out to be 499, as well, those are going to fly off the shelves, while the PS5 just sits there, getting dusty, huh septic?

[MasterCornholio]

@Angelic

"Many of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on the predecessor machine"”

"man·y
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a large number of."

Large number of =/= All

Which means this statement is true as well.

"Some of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will not be available to play on the predecessor machine"

Sony isn't confirming that all PS5 launch titles will be playable on the PS4. However they did confirm that some titles won't be playable on the PS4.

With that said I expect the PS5 to have some exclusive titles at launch.

Edit:

Anyways what Yoshida is making a reference to are the cross gen titles they the PS5 will have at launch. Just like with every console launch there will be cross gen title and he just confirmed that some of those launch titles won't be cross gen as well. This is something that ive seen happen at the start of every console generation.

[MasterCornholio]

@Angelic

Went and looked up Jason's comment and he really isn't wrong based off what Yoshida said.

“I’ve heard some of the PS5 launch titles”, Schreier said. “I won’t say them yet as I probably will want to some kind of report on that stuff for the future. But those will be on PS5 only.”

"Many of the games launched for the PlayStation 5 will also be available to play on the predecessor machine"” Yoshida CFO at Sony

I don't see how the two statements conflict with each other. And since Yoshida is the CFO at Sony we can consider him a direct source.

https://wccftech.com/sony-p...

[Gon0S]

What is really strange is that SONY who is rumored to have less powered system is encountering RAM and SSD part price problems, whereas Microsoft using the same parts with faster GPU and CPU does encounter pricing problems...

Do you really think this fairy tale is true ? Do you really think Microsoft managed to get cheaper parts because they are Microsoft or because they built CPU, GPU and RAM plants for their own über cheap production ?

Sorry, but I don't buy this crap. This is just a race to get the cheaper price point against the opponent, nothing much about the price of internal parts (that part has already been hard settled down in contracts for months now)

[Gazondaily]

"Does the thought of that rumor make you feel all giddy inside?"

It makes me as giddy as it makes you sad =(

[Muzikguy]

Sony isn't less confident. This is their 5th time in the ring. They're being smart. What's with all the doom and gloom acting as if Sony doesn't have a clue?

[WickedLester]

How in hell do you KNOW that Xbox has a "power advantage" when final specs have not been officially released by either company? I love how Xbots just presume this.

[RosweeSon]

Or spin Sony’s silence as a problem it’s called not revealing yourself a year in advance. They gonna smash it when they actually announce something more concrete. It’s a gonna be big news whenever they decide to drop it. Myself can’t see it for a few months why do they need to people now when it’s coming if you want one get saving now ;)

[Muzikguy]

Bu...but they SAID they wouldn't be outmatched on power or price. That means it MUST be true! /s

Let's not forget that MS games will be playable on other platforms as well and they also said they're "not competing" along with other conflicting tidbits of information

[Gazondaily]

@wickedlester

"I love how Xbots just presume this."

The irony. Read the post and try again. "IF the rumours are true"

[Shapeshifter75]

Even IF the power advantage goes to XB, it will make zero difference just as it did this gen. XB1X is slightly more powerful than a PS4 Pro, but has very few applications to set it apart. I've said it time and time again...the difference is the strength of Sony's stable of 1st party studios vs. Thise under MS. Talent is on a whole other level.

[WickedLester]

@Shapeshifter75

Of course you are correct. However I'm telling you, on a pure hardware level, the performance of these two consoles will be so similar, it will be like trying to compare the latest Apple iPhone with the latest Samsung Galaxy. Yes, one of them is going to (marginally) "win" the spec sheet comparison. But I guarantee you, Call of Duty will look and run identical on both consoles. Assassin's Creed and Far Cry will look and run identical on both consoles. Madden and Fifa 2021 will look and run identical on both consoles, and so on and so forth. The only things that will truly differentiate these two consoles are A. Exclusive games and B. UI/Services.

[Atom666]

Always keep in mind that Playstation accounts for such a large portion of Sony's overall health that they need to be careful in everything they do.

Right now, they're seemingly being quiet, but it is absolutely purposeful. Price is a HUGE point. I think they are aiming for something close to $400, but between component issues and Xbox, it legitimately might be a very stressful situation for them.

But more than that, and perhaps simplest of all explanations, the PS4 continues to make them serious money, and they need it to. Balancing that transition to nextgen is crucial right now. So I expect that PS5 talk is being held back as much as possible. They're walking a line right now that is never easy.

Their market position allows them to be quiet right now, and their need for continued PS success for the company as a whole means they will want to take advantage of anything they can...including being reactive to Xbox.

For the sake of drama, I would like to see MS grow a pair and just come out now and say: "The Series X will be the same price as PS5. Whatever that is." They won't do it, but it'll be a memorable move if they did rather than the cat and mouse game we'll see.

But right now, I'm leaning towards the belief that MS sought to build the most capable machine for $500 like the OneX, and Sony aimed for $400. The differences between selling at a loss, breaking even, or selling at a profit are probably in flux right now. Those differences don't seem like a lot now, but we're potentially talking hundreds of millions of $ in revenue.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah I mean those multi billion dollar blockbuster movies they put out don’t make them any money.
Sony just letting Microsoft talk. Talk is cheap and before Sony have even announced anything Xbox could talk themselves into trouble whilst Sony play it smart and actually get things finished before showing off their next console.

[Silly gameAr]

No one wants to lose money, no matter if you're worth a trillon dollars, or 78 billion. This kind of feels like the PS3 days, where people kept bringing up Sony's finances, and acting like they could go broke at any moment, yet they came out with the PS4, even though the PS3 hemorrhaged so much money.

I believe they're in a lot better shape this time than they were last time, in case they have to take a hit.

What I find funny is the company that is worth a trillion dollars seems like they're struggling to keep up with the company that's worth significantly less.

[Atom666]

@Roswee

I'm going to go out on a limb and say you don't actually follow the ups and downs of Sony Pictures group? They have one billion dollar IP in Spiderman. Charlie's angels ain't cutting it the rest of the time. Their profits were just $50 million last quarter. For the last FY, Sony Pictures accounted for about 6% of Sony's profits.

Playstation literally accounts for 1/3 of Sony's profits last year. Facts not feelings might help you articulate a better point.

@silly

The difference has always been: what can you afford to lose? That stretch of time around the PS3 almost ruined Sony. With the smart restructuring, they're in a much better spot, but that has made PS all the more important.

If the next Xbox tanks, it will barely register with investors. If the next PS tanks, their stock plummets.

Same thing for you: facts not feelings. It's not a knock on Sony that it has to be deliberate and careful. Nintendo is in an even worse position, which we've seen play out before our eyes just 4-5 years ago.

[rainslacker]

What I see is that Sony has announced almost as much as MS, with the exception of what games would be available at launch. Sony was first to announce more than the fact that they were making a new console.

Sony has games this year they still have to sell, so I can see why they'd want to wait for those games to have their marketing run. Next gen games are going to take a lot of focus later in the year. It's really not much different than the ps4. They showed a lot at e3, but TLOU had already had its marketing run. The reveal they only showed a couple games, which weren't likely to take a lot of focus.

[Atom666]

@rain

Can't disagree. MS gets credited for the box reveal, and for generally discussing Series X a decent amount, but no real details are being mentioned.

Things that get attention, like the Booty comments about cross gen, really are only a more specific statement that Sony made weeks prior too. It should be highlighted that both companies have discussed BC and cross gen for the same reason we both mention: continued sales of current gen.

Hell, Sony COULD come out right now and say that TLoU2 will look and play better on PS5 and show us the benefits of the new SSD load times, CPU benefits, etc. We all expect those things to happen, but talking about it too much could hurt its early sales on PS4. I also don't expect too much talk from them generally until their FY ends next month.

Even the "reveal" won't tell all.

I am curious about GoT marketing though. I think they either need to throw a lot of marketing behind it if it comes after we likely see a bunch of nextgen titles at E3, or just make it cross gen. That's a game that should start a gen and get people invested into a new IP early in a gen, not at its close. With BC, it might not matter as much though.

[RosweeSon]

It’s nothing about feelings but let’s not make out like Sony don’t make money from many other revenue streams. Billion dollar films was flippant not literal. I don’t read through the bank balances no I don’t care I play games you said your self tho PlayStation is a big chunk of their money sure a 1/3 you say... so that means the majority is from elsewhere 66%
6% of their profits is still profits they make films for typically 100-250 million and they can make 3- however many times that. Then there’s their phones laptops tv’s stereos but sure Sony are majorly in trouble 🤷🏻‍♂️😂
I’m not even in a rush for PS5 I’d still get that anytime before I’ll be getting an Xbox tho this gen has done nothing to convince me Microsoft are interested in games. As for the next Xbox tanking worrying investors who cares I don’t give a shit about their investors. I care about the games why do you care about their investors are you getting a cut 🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[Atom666]

No emojis necessary. I gave my opinion as to why they're "being quiet." That's the topic of the article.

You said random things based on, by your own admission, zero factual knowledge on your part. Feelings, not facts.

If 1/3 of their entire success is tied to the success of PS, you think maybe they might be a little careful and deliberate with their PR?

[Muzikguy]

Sony phones aren't doing well and neither are their laptops. Even their TVs have been struggling. Sony Pictures makes money but they lose quite a bit too. Most their films would be considered flops. I like to actually look at that stuff, and if you are interested go here www.the-numbers.com

What confuses me about some of these comments is people talking about PS4 making Sony money and them wanting people to stay with it, but Sony has already mentioned how they want a quick transition to PS5. I wonder what they're planning...

[SpaceRanger]

“ The continued silence and the leaks and industry chatter seems to suggest a far less confident Sony in the run up to next gen.“

Lmao that’s your take on all of this? As they have in past gens, are still focusing on delivering quality experiences for the current gen... compared to MS who are making the same generation ending mistake they made in the 360 era.

[remixx116]

4 amazing gens in a row and he thinks they are scared. I kinda don't get him, if Sony can deliver during the PS3 era than they probably got this.

I find this kinda strange cuz MS has had 2 mediocre gens in a row but people are soooo confident in them at the start of every new gen. Things are kinda flipped ain't they??

[rainslacker]

Who exactly is mounting this pressure for Sony to show something?

[Mooncake]

I've sent them a few emails. I reckon 1 more might be enough to break the camel's back... full spec reveal incoming tomorrow!

[rainslacker]

On behalf of the community, I thank you for your perseverance, because the rest of us are too lazy to do anything more than suggest Sony needs to reveal now or be doomed for the future.

[Mooncake]

lol this guy...

[RazzerRedux]

"Spencer has said that Xbox wont be out of position in power or price this gen. "

Out of position doesn't mean beating Sony on either. It means they will be competitive on price and performance. So much for that "power advantage" if they aim to have the same price or they are willing to take a big loss on hardware, which I doubt Microsoft is willing to do. So if Sony comes in with a $100 lower price at launch then Phil Spencer has put Microsoft in an awkward position because he talks too much.

"The continued silence and the leaks and industry chatter seems to suggest a far less confident Sony in the run up to next gen. "

lol.....no it doesn't. Sony is right in line with the steps they took to reveal PS4. You can be pessimistic and say Sony is "less confident" or you could say Sony is being careful to not be over confident. Regardless, let's not pretend Microsoft has shown their entire hand. They haven't. They are taking measured steps just like Sony.

@rainslacker

"Who exactly is mounting this pressure for Sony to show something?"

I would love to know this as well.

[Christopher]

***It seems like Sony may be in a bind here IF the rumours are true.***

All the eggs in one basket routine.

I think it's pretty easy to explain why they're not talking, because showing anything too early is easily taken by the competition. Same way Microsoft suddenly started mentioning they would have a fast SSD as well right after Sony showed off their loading times on their SSD.

The smart thing is to show everything you can as late as possible so the competition can't suddenly implement it as well.

[Mooncake]

It isn't all about the competition either. Sony still have the PS4 on the market and some huge games incoming, they probably don't want to shift the focus at this point irrespective of what Microsoft or Nintendo are doing.

I'm sure they have a good idea of when they should start building PS5 hype, they aren't new to this game.

[rainslacker]

While I do agree with you, if you wait too long, you stand the chance of being upstaged by the competition. The SSD announcement from Sony was out of nowhere, so it took everyone by surprise. But, as a hypothetical, lets say MS decides to release specs next week, and they do happen to be significantly higher, then that puts people talking about them and their killer specs, and then Sony comes along and announces something lower. Then they're in the position MS was in with SSD, where it's not as impressive, and they don't get as much attention from it.

In the above scenario, Sony could work it's message in such an instance, and maybe focus on something different, but it's not going to help them much in the way these things play out.

However, I also feel it's pretty safe to assume that these companies also know with a reasonable degree of certainty what the other will have to offer. The longer they take, the more chances they have to find out things in ways that just happen to happen because of the insular nature of the industry. I wouldn't be surprised if both companies knew pretty closely what the specs are for the competitions systems by now. Once dev kits go out, the information doesn't stay secret for long. It's already all over deveveloper channels, because it's not breaking NDA there, and both Sony and MS do go to those channels. They wouldn't have specifics, but enough info to figure it out.

[CaptainHenry916]

Don't forget the One X won't have any first party exclusives for 2 years. They're giving the advantage to Sony anyway if you ask me

[REDGUM]

Although the pricing of these consoles will be a factor moving forward i do believe that Sony this generation, and from a personal perspective all generations, but definitely this gen have proven what they are all about.... the games, the community & the freedom given to all of the development teams out there.
We have had a wide variety of top notch games this gen.
Personally i think that Sony have proven themselves to us... the gamer, that they know what we want/crave for.

If Sony's new console was up to/max $200 dearer than the competition this coming gen i think they have shown that it'd be worth the investment.i don't believe now that price will be as big of a factor as it once was.

Sure, it'd be great to be the same price etc for more bargaining power but i just don't think they need to now. I've veen amazed at the choices in games I've been given this and passed generations, i ain't going elsewhere to game now, I'm happy with what i have chosen to play on.

[BillyG0AT]

70 dislikes for one of the most facutal comments in this whole thread?

[Christopher]

Rumors and opinions are facts now?

[Atticus_finch]

You tried. Lol

[Muzikguy]

@Christopher

I've been seeing it a lot lately

[Mooncake]

I could teabag my keyboard for a minute and the resulting text would contain just as many facts as that comment.

[Silly gameAr]

@Billygoat

Where do you go for your gaming news? The xboxhub? I'm sure where ever you go, they don't have fanboys.

[SolidGamerX]

You heard it here first folk quite equals "far less confident" apparently, lol. There's nothing educated about what you're saying you're just parroting the rumors that you like, the ones that paint a negative picture for Sony. You guys tried this all last gen and it never worked out for you apparently you need another generation of reminders. The only one in a bind is Microsoft and it doesn't require rumors for people to know that.

[HICK]

Did you happen to read that Bloomberg article? Seemed like pretty weak rumors. I'm also curious how XSX wouldn't also have the same issues as PS5 given they will probably be very similar. No one seems to acknowledge that yet. Also, if the PS5 costs $450 and they sell it for $499.99, then that is a better margin than what they made on PS4 supposedly. I think the constant regurgitation of leaks/rumors shows the need for Sony to give the gaming community something soon.

[ziggurcat]

The margin, at least at launch, for the PS4 between cost per unit and retail was $381 vs. $399.99. $19. I think if the $450 is accurate, their margin would be way better than the PS4's if they sold the PS5 at the expected $499.99. If they were fine with a $19 margin, I think they'd also be fine with a $50 margin.

[Weapon_of_choice]

I'll smoke what you are smoking, cause you're tripping bro. Only in your head mate

[madpuppy]

Septic is right, Microsoft has got Sony on the run, Sony has been running so fast that they win the race almost every generation.

[DarkZane]

@Septic No one knows who has the power advantage. No confirmed specs are out for either console. If anything latest rumors point to Sony having the advantage.

Even if it doesn't point it out, the bloomberg article definitely also apply to Microsoft. If Sony is having problems with part shortage, it's 100% certain Microsoft is having the same problem because they get their stuff from the same place. Of course, that article choose to ignore that for clickbait and the xbox fanboys chose to do so for their narrative. Just like how they pretend that the 12 TF > 9TF is a real thing even though no specs have been confirmed.

There is also zero confirmation that there will be 2 Xbox next gen since Lockhart is really just a rumor that hasn't been confirmed.

[Gazondaily]

"No one knows who has the power advantage. No confirmed specs are out for either console."

Yes I never said it was a fact.

[lifeisgamesok]

Microsoft needed to really come out make a statement and prove themselves for the next console cycle so their working on that

People know PlayStation will always be about great games

[2pacalypsenow]

Nintendo already released their next gen console.

[TheColbertinator]

And the Switch Lite along with dozens of their own self-published games selling in the millions.

https://www.dualshockers.co...

[Knushwood Butt]

Not a lot of third party titles there.

[specialguest]

Nintendo is in a unique position where they don't have to play the power game or release anything within the same timeline as MS and Sony. They continue to be in a league of their own and still have healthy sales

[execution17]

What does Nintendo have to show besides Mystery Dungeon DX and Animal Crossing and maybe no more heroes 3 and xenoblade

[Rimeskeem]

Last time Sony murdered MS before the generation even started after showing nothing. Why not do the same?

[RookieMonsterLives]

Didn't Sony reveled the PS4 hardware spec before the XB1 in 2013?

Oh yes, Feb 20, 2013
"As introduced by lead system architect Mark Cerny, the PS4 is based on a "supercharged PC architecture," with an X86 processor, enhanced PC-style GPU, and 8GB of GDDR5 unified high-speed memory. The controller is called, unsurprisingly, the DualShock 4, and features the Vita-style touchpad we'd heard about, and a light bar on the back to identify players. Each PS4 will contain a 3D camera to track the various controllers using the bar. The PS4 contains 8 CPU cores, providing almost 2 teraflops of computational performance. The power allows for 30,000 polygons to be rendered in real time (by way of comparison, Heavy Rain on the PS3 utilized 15,000). "Overall, our goal has been to architect the system to support a breadth of experiences," said Cerny.

[Cmv38]

They also revealed info before ms for the ps5 too, not sure what your point is.

[RookieMonsterLives]

Cmv38,

What details did Sony revealed for PS5 other than it will have faster loading time for games , the name, the logo and this bit of info?
"So what do we know about the PS5 so far? The hysteria started in early 2019, when Mark Cerny, the chief We wouldn't get the official name or release date until much later, but Cerny did shed some light on the next-gen console's capabilities, revealing that it would retain a disc drive, and would have something to do with Sony's game streaming ambitions; other than that there was little else to go on."
https://www.techradar.com/n...

Compared to the full spec info for the PS4 at this same timeframes in 2013?

Edit: actually I did missed the "would have something to do with Sony's game streaming ambitions" part from the techradar link. Maybe that is a big reveal in disguise. Xcloud competitor🤔

[rainslacker]

And they only showed a couple games at that reveal. It wasnt until e3 where they showed more. Sony was the first to announce any details about next gen beyond the name and the fact that they were going to have a console. Ms has shown a couple games, but any news they had besides the name and the look of the console, which are ultimately unimportant, is nothing more than what sony has announced.

[IRetrouk]

They have talked about the ps5 twice so far last year, with near enough the same sort of info, much earlier than they did with the ps4.

April
https://www.google.com/amp/...

October
https://www.google.com/amp/...

[NecrumOddBoy]

Gamingbolt is such a terrible website.

[Mooncake]

Yet this is almost the hottest story of the whole week. Only some bait from Forbes has done better.

[IRetrouk]

So far we know more about the ps5 than we did about the ps4 in the same timeframe🤷‍♂️

Not worried at all.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Not including the reveal? The reveal had games. KS the new IP Destiny Knack I think Drive Club? Unless Sony has their reveal soon as early as next week then we would know more about PS5.

We know God fall and Outriders are coming to PS5 so we know slightly more about PS5 now than we did PS4 around this time.

[IRetrouk]

I think they did it on the 21st, but up untill then, we have had more info for the ps5, sooner too.

[RookieMonsterLives]

Actually, the PS4 whole spec were revealed way before XB1 at right around this time frame in 2013

On Feb 20, 2013 to be exact by Mark Cerny
"supercharged PC architecture," with an X86 processor, enhanced PC-style GPU, and 8GB of GDDR5 unified high-speed memory. The controller is called, unsurprisingly, the DualShock 4, and features the Vita-style touchpad we'd heard about, and a light bar on the back to identify players. Each PS4 will contain a 3D camera to track the various controllers using the bar. The PS4 contains 8 CPU cores, providing almost 2 teraflops of computational performance. The power allows for 30,000 polygons to be rendered in real time (by way of comparison, Heavy Rain on the PS3 utilized 15,000). "Overall, our goal has been to architect the system to support a breadth of experiences," said Cerny.

So yes, the silence is a bit worrisome for some this time because Sony might not have the spec advantage to allow them to go first like they did with the PS4.

[IRetrouk]

The two exclusive wired articles were both published much sooner in comparison, first one in April 19 and the second in October, so no, nothing at all to be worried about.

[Tross]

Being the chatty one has clearly worked for MS. It's why they're in...3rd. Sony and Nintendo have both been doing fantastic, so while I'd love to hear more about their future plans, I think it's safe to say they know what they're doing and will share with us when the time is right. There's probably a reason why their executives are in charge of a multi-billion dollar corporation and I'm not, so I'm just going to assume they know more than I do about how and when to show off their new stuff.

[monkey602]

Can't get Nintendo or Sony to spill the beans.

Can't get Microsoft to shut up for a minute.

Dog with the loudest bark and all that

[S2Killinit]

Yes. I find that when teams talk the most cra* before the game begins, they are less confident in their abilities. Then they show up and buckle under the pressure of all the expectations they built up by talking cr**

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well MS says allot with out actually saying anything at all.

[LordJamar]

When someone has something to prove it’s a good thing

[jznrpg]

Not when it lasts 10+ years

[2BlackBelt]

They dont need to show anything, they are confident in their existing and future platforms/games.

[Ausbo]

Microsoft has more to prove. Sony doesn’t, so they don’t have to come out and talk when we think they should. They will talk when they are ready to.

People need to stop worrying. Both the ps5 and Xbox will arrive on time and both will be a deal for the amount of power they are packing

[jznrpg]

The games make it a good deal or not to me .
Power will be close either console , games haven’t been

[lellkay]

Why does Sony need to make a move right now? These articles make me laugh.

[monkey602]

Because I'm getting really impatient now? 😂 but seriously though the wait is starting to get to me

[WickedLester]

They may not say a word for a while. Dreams just launched to critical acclaim. Nioh 2 will launch pretty soon. Then Final Fantasy 7. Then The Last of Us Part 2. Then Ghost of Tsushima. Sony still has to put focus on THIS generation and market these great games coming in 2020.

[monkey602]

Those releases take us right up to Summers End though. They can't really hold their tongues that long.

I actually can't wait for Nioh 2 though

[WickedLester]

@monkey 602,

Why not though? Why "cant" they wait? Just because we as fans are impatient? LOL.

All of those games will be out before June except Ghost of Tsushima, which has been confirmed as a cross-gen title. So it would make sense for Somy to promote that game alongside the PS5. I'm thinking we may not hear anything else about PS5 until around E3. Sony could wait until after MS has their E3 presentation to find out what XSX is going to cost and then pivot based on that info. E3 is June 9th-11th. Sony could wait and do their event a week later. That would give the other PS4 games breathing room and still give Sony around 5 months to market PS5.

[monkey602]

I dont think it's the best idea to leave it that late to reveal hardware though.
A lot of people would like to know what they are getting and then pay off on it gradually before the release. It's easy for many to handle the cost that way

[WickedLester]

@monkey602

No one needs to wait for an official unveil to start squirreling away the money for it though. We ALL know the console is going to cost somewhere in the range of 400-500 dollars. I already have 700.00 saved for the console, extra controller, and a couple of games.

[monkey602]

I've put away a little myself. I know many who are bad with saving though and prefer to have the cash deposited somewhere they cant spend it.

[TheHateTheyGive]

GamingDolt, no ones frustrated that owns a playstation, sony has 6 blockbuster games coming out, last of us 2, dreams, ff7 remake, ghost of tsushima, yakuza 7, mlb 20 the show. ONLY ON ps4. While the other guys have unreal engine game pass filler games like bleeding edge which is an awful game going by the beta i played.

Now what does sony have to rush showing the ps5 when they have at minimum 6 blockbuster EXCLUSIVES that can only be played on playstation? Why dont they ask xbox what exclusives they are working on?

[Bennibop]

You missed nioh 2

[william_cade]

They are not worried about each other or MS Xbox

[Az1ner]

Try again. Go read the Bloomberg article.

[Gazondaily]

You're asking for too much here I'm afraid.

[WickedLester]

"Worry" isnt the right word. No one is "worried." Is Sony strategizing based on what MS does? Perhaps. But only fans and media use terms like worry. I'm sure Sony has "Plan A, B, and C" strategy propositions based on what the competition does. Thats just smart planning. These things aren't nearly as dramatic and "cloak and dagger" as the media likes to make them sound. Its business and any good business person will tell you, you take the emotion out of it. Yes I'm sure there ARE ongoing conversations within Sony at the executive level on pricing for PS5, but the media tries to insinuate that it's a bunch of leaderless in-fighting and indecisiveness. It doesnt work that way.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

If Sony thought like you did the entire PS brand would go out of buissness. The number one rule is to never underestimate the proposition, even if you did win a previous battle.

[william_cade]

Repeat this to yourself out loud. Not trying to be a dick.

[Elda]

Though next gen starts late this year,Sony still has some big PS4 AAA exclusives to release within this year & they're still selling these current gen consoles something Sony wants to continue to do. It's only February & imo I think Sony isn't going to start showing off the PS5 & first party titles for the PS5 until this late spring or summer.

[WickedLester]

Nailed it!

[gamer7804]

well nintendo isn't on the same cycle, so don't expect any new hardware announcements from them this year. So that just leaves sony (stadia sputtering around until it enters the infamous google graveyard). Sony will announce the ps5 sometime this year at one of their events most likely.

[Az1ner]

Sony needs to manage their funds. Hence why they waiting on xgs to see that they do. The CFO of sony even admitted as much in the Bloomberg article.

[Az1ner]

Nintendo does its own thing. Just picked up a switch lite and it's a sweet handheld.

[AuraAbjure]

Glad you're enjoying it! I love mine.

[AuraAbjure]

Nintendo said they ain't making any new switch console this year but they will do a show at E3. Sony has privately disclosed that they will reveal the first official details of the PS5 in April. The PS5 costs Sony about $450 to build so they are figuring out what to do about such high production costs.

[TheGamez100]

It is quite odd how silent theyve been.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Here’s the facts. Microsoft could take a loss on Xbox without a dent to the Corp,

Sony can’t while trying to utilize next gen hardware through their first party...PlayStation is their bread and butter.

One hell of a position for them to be in would be both being $499 yet one being overwhelmingly more powerful.. it wouldn’t stop the PlayStation from outselling the Xbox but it would shift players guaranteed. And if the Windows Mode boot comes to be real and you can access steam and the epic store while keeping your Xbox gaming and environment separate from the PC gaming environment but with the deals and selection at your fingertips if gaming on the Xbox side of things isn’t your forte... that’s a game changer. 12tf of closed box power with dedicated ray tracing cores for 499-599$ PLUS your existing PC library would make even a hardcore PC gamer say... “well god damn...”

[TheHateTheyGive]

GAMES AND EXCLUSIVES SELLS CONSOLES, NOT POWER, get that thru your head, even if xbox i 12 tf and ps5 is 9 at the same price the EXCLUSIVES that can only be played on playstation will out sell the xbox series X. ITS NOT ABOUT POWER ITS ABOUT EXCLUSIVES.

Its why pc and xbox gamers are ALWAYS port begging for almost every playstation EXCLUSIVE when they come out. Like i said many times i dont want any games that are on pc thats not on playstation already because to me 3rd party games are FILLER while playstation EXCLUSIVES are my main course in gaming.

Every time a blockbuster EXCLUSIVE comes on playstation the pc gamers and xbox gamers go GOD DAM!!!

[i3eyond the Circle]

Dead argument until we see the projects from the 14+ new studios next gen.

Are you expecting Sony’s entire first party to be ready at launch? Don’t be foolish. They are blowing a load just this year on ps4.

Be realistic. You’re doing that thing most people on this site do is read over every line and push your own narrative. Power is only one aspect of the position Xbox is taking next gen.

Get out of the past. This won’t be the Xbox One launch... if expecting it.. prepare for an upset.

[TheHateTheyGive]

If xbox thinks that garbage game pass filler unreal engine games like bleeding edge is going to beat any of the heavy hitters That sonys has exclusively for ps5 then its gonna be a worse loss than this gen. Sony does not have to talk talk talk talk like phil and xbox likes doing, when sony shows their exclusives 9 times out of 10 they deliver.

[Christopher]

***Here’s the facts. Microsoft could take a loss on Xbox without a dent to the Corp,***

Fact is, divisions within a company that post losses get closed.

[rainslacker]

There's a lot of ifs in that comment of yours.

Fun fact. If MS closed up the XBox division today, the investors wouldn't care, and it'd only be a blip on the decrease in revenue for the overall company. There's a reason that last gen there was a push by one group of investors to spin off the XBox brand. It was because it was a drag on the rest of the companies financials. Not that it was losing money, just that it wasn't performing as well in terms of revenue and profit.

Sure, MS could continue to release consoles for free to everyone for the rest of our life times. It doesn't mean that is MS goal, or they'd do that. The only reason Xbox was saved from that investor push was because Nadella made it into a key part of his push for cloud services. He recognized the rather large revenue potential that came with gaming. But another fun fact, that wasn't from selling consoles, but selling services like you see MS doing now, and more so, selling cloud services to 3rd party publishers.

No if, ands, or buts about it.

To put things in perspective. MS could have sunk tons of money into mobile phones and Windows Phone OS. They brought Nokia, and were trying hard to do well in that market. They actually even had a really good product.
But they were losing money, and not gaining market share. What they were hoping to do, which they also infected Windows with with Metro, they didn't do, and they eventually just closed it down. Luckily Xbox isn't in that same position, but to think that MS is just doing gaming because they're so cool, and that they will funnel endless funds into it, is just naive. I have no doubt that if Xbox fails to deliver on what they're hoping it will with services and the push for cloud, the push to have it spun off by investors will return. It got a stay of execution, but Nadella will expect it to perform as much as the investors he told it would perform expect. MS makes enough on Xbox to keep it running, but that doesn't mean they are compelled to because the gaming community thinks its a huge part of MS business.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Services are Microsoft’s end game.

Billions is mere pennies to the grand scheme of things. More money to AMD in R&D for the best parts and the acquisition of studios given free creativity with a larger budget is a testament to that.

Xbox is becoming a different beast. Y’all don’t see it yet... but it’s upon us and it will bring mass nausea.

[rainslacker]

I saw it long before everyone else, yet I got disagreed to death saying that MS was moving towards a service model. I mean, if I thought it would make a difference, I'd even go back and find statements that said exactly this, and show you the flood of counter arguments that I got from it from Xbox fan boys.

I said this long before they threw their hat into the ring with xCloud, and while they were still talking about Game Pass before it came out. I said they were going to do be doing this near the start of this gen, because Nadella pretty much said what his vision and goals were for MS, and he made it clear that Xbox was going to be a key part in achieving that.

So no, it's not me who's not seeing things, it's others not believing what I say, then turning around and using it as a positive years later, like they have done for so many predictions I made earlier in the gen which have come to pass.

What I'm stating though is that what they are bringing, what you are going on about the grand future of Xbox, is not what the people in the community are asking for, nor what they want. Services get sh*t on every day, and just because MS is doing them doesn't make them something great. It's the disconnect that you display between it being a good thing when MS does it, and will somehow insure their awesome survival in new markets, and the actual console market that we have all been living and dying in for the past 40 years, that I'm criticizing.

MS doesn't win the console war by just going after another market, and happening to have a console. It doesn't work like that....no matter how hard you try to say it will be the case.

In the mean time, I'm pointing out, that this constant attempt you make at saying how MS has all this money, so sucks to be anyone else, means nothing, because MS doesn't look at Xbox the way you are acting like they do.

[QuePasa87]

They know they'll do well regardless so it doesn't really matter when they decide to speak up

[Shezgear]

Sony will win next gen. It is just a more popular console world wide and with way better exclusives. We have seen that since ps2.

[MrSec84]

Very true.

[LordJamar]

I don’t think my one said Sony won’t “win” but it’s not gonna be like last gen that’s for sure Microsoft is in amuch different situation

[Einhander1971]

It’s the calm before the storm.

[MrSec84]

Yep, after this amazing gen from Sony and the crazy good games from Nintendo I don't see how anyone can been down on either of these companies for giving their amazing game studios and product designers time to make final adjustments before they show the gems that they have coming.

Both companies have more than earned space after the enormous leads they've created.

[Realms]

Why should Sony say or announce anything just because MS did? Honestly I care more about current generation games coming this year more than anything else. Next generation consoles are coming soon but exclusive games to those consoles may be years away so why rush things.

[Mr_Luke]

I really don't see the problem... It comes out in the end of the year, even if they reveal everything in October for me it's fine. "It could mean troubles", "they could have problems", "they are fearing xxxxx"... what? O_o And what if they decided to release more info in a different date? Really, i can't understand where is the problem :O
I could add Nintendo, it doesn't matter what they reveal or when, in the end they sell millions.

[Cmoney007]

Why would Sony and Nintendo worry? MS is the one that continues to lag behind. How long will it be till MS makes a splash again?

[CoNn3rB]

Honestly why the rush, it's still early in the year and if they're aiming for an October/November release date there's really no reason to blow their load early

[LordJamar]

I know right? They say Xbox is not competition and it’s dead and Nintendo does their own thing so what sony scared of or worried about maybe it’s just that classic PS3 era cockiness.

[Godmars290]

Think MS are the only ones who need to rush or show something, which they haven't yet. Just announced studio purchases and hype Game Pass. Their online infrastructure.

[SolidGamerX]

"Why are Sony and Nintendo so silent?"

Because they can be.

"What are they waiting for?"

The right time.

Just becasue Microsoft jumped the gun and their momentum has now fizzled doesn't mean Sony or Nintendo need to react until they are ready to.

[LM1213]

all parties are silent. we know nothing really. the only thing MS showed was the console. none have a price point, we don't know the specs. we know nothing except for what the xsx looks like, that's it. they both come out around the same time, they both have ssd. none of the companies have really told us much of anything concrete

[Stanjara]

Actually we know everything. Bc, architecture,ssd, controllers. Hollyday 2020 and the price (500$)

We just don't know about the games.

[LM1213]

we don't know everything, not even close. price isn't confirmed, every console has controllers. we all knew about BC and architecture, you know about ssd, but not size or speed. we don't know confirmed price, we don't know specs, so no, we don't really know anything from either.

[Ulf]

The war is over. Microsoft won. The irony is that Sony's streaming backend is payments made to MS, and Sony can't afford to sell the PS5 at less than $450, despite the XBSX being a superior piece of hardware, and probably going for no more than $500.

If you were Sony, in this situation, you'd want the current gen, where you were the "winner" to go on as long as possible. Why get people riled up for a gen you know you can't really win at all, when, when you can ride the coattails of this one for another few months?

[rainslacker]

So....how exactly can MS manage to sell a superior piece of hardware at what amounts to the same price?

Is MS going to subsidize the cost? That hasn't been a thing this gen, so why would taking a loss on hardware be a thing next gen?

Investors aren't keen on the razor blade model when it comes to consoles. It takes too long to show a return, because it takes about 8-10 games sales to make a return....when you exclude additional services like XBL or PS+.

The companies are going to be sourcing the same parts from the same manufacturers. They're going to be paying the same to make their consoles, and if one is more powerful, they're going to be paying more to make the console. If there is a price difference due to a significant power difference, it will likely be more than $50. $100 is the low end given the range of power and price with the hardware being used in the new consoles.

[LordJamar]

I believe Microsoft can cause they generally have allot more money to throw around idk how you know about the ins and outs of consoles and how they are made but ima take that with a grain of salt

[Ulf]

Umm.. every console gen, except the last, has had the consoles sold as loss leaders -- Niintendo was the only company to profit on console hardware since about 1999, and before that, they took a loss!

The last gen had hardware sold at cost, again except for Nintendo. The next gen will likely see Sony selling at low margins, and MS selling at a small loss.

With regards to the cost differences between the consoles -- it's likely to ONLY be the APU that differs, and $50 - $75 nets you a MUCH better APU, at cost.

[rainslacker]

@Lord

Yes, MS has a lot of money to throw around. But if you look at what they're doing, they're not pushing the console as much as the services. Why lose money on the console, when their goal is services? I'm not saying it's not possible they'll do a loss leader, but there's no reason to, and if they do, it seems they're missing the mark on what makes a console successful in the first place. They'd be better off not taking a loss, and focusing in on the content which will help them with their plans in the long run.

@Ulf

Yes, and there's a reason why that stopped. It could take 2-3 years to recoup costs, not just from manufacturing, but the cost of all the R&D and manufacturing going on. Sony had an extreme loss on the PS3 early on, and they went almost the whole gen to recover.

The companies aren't really profiting at all on consoles, but not profiting is not the same as taking a loss. Sony and MS this gen sold their consoles at no loss on the cost to manufacture. Early X1X were said to be maybe subsidized a bit, but not by hundreds of dollars.

I'm just questioning the OP why he thinks MS is going to be able to come in cheaper than Sony, as his comment seemed based on nothing more than somehow MS can will that to come into existence by the sheer fact that they're MS, when in fact, Sony has more abilities to source their own parts from their own company, whereas MS doesn't have that luxury.

The idea that a OEM cost of $50-75 only translates to a small increase in consumer cost is false. It doesn't work like that, and in particular with APU's, there needs to be more engineering for cooling, as well as potential bus or memory configurations which could also cost more. Some of that is up in the air, but a $50 price difference at OEM is going to likely be $100 difference to the consumer. To put it in perspective, the discless X1S removed a $20 part, and it only dropped the price by $50. That price was probably determined more by what they felt they could get away with, but they weren't going to drop the price by $100 and take a loss, so why would a new gen be any different?

Most of the money is made on the back end with software licensing, software sales, store revenue, paid services, etc. But if you're going into the gen already in the whole by $100-200 for each console sold, it's a lot to make up. $100 would be one year of XBL, and approximately 4 licensed games. Varying factors exist, but that keeps it simple.

[NotanotherReboot]

They are stubborn & believe their shit doesn't stink

[AK91]

They want to wait until their games (and in Sonys case console too) are ready to be shipped/played. At this point both companies are aware they have loyal fans who are willing to wait for good games and how frustrating announcing a product way too early can be.

Like the overused (yet accurate) quote by Miyamoto says "a delayed game is eventually good a rushed one is bad forever"

[mastershredder]

”Because, if the last few years are any indication, both Sony and Nintendo will end up delivering the goods – and in the end, that’s what matters“.

lets correct that “few years” with ’last few decades’ - fixed.

They answer their own question, Now I’m left asking what was the point of the article?

[Chumdiddy]

For the competition. Which, tbh, I don't agree with. Sony is at their best when they do not care what others are doing. This gen they show the PS4 first, price first and let others scramble to catch up.

Every gen or system they absolutely boned (PS3/Vita) they behaved like this. They tend to underperform when they try too hard to follow instead of lead.
They have "the lead" right now. People will naturally default to them if they just make a capable system at a reasonable price. Xbox can be stronger and nobody will care.

Their prep for this gen feels a lot like what they did with PS3 and the arrogance they showed to toss out a $600 machine really late and just assume everyone will buy it.

Go the PS1/PS2/PS4 route. Lead the pack and trust that your users will buy even if just a tad weaker or a few bucks more than whatever Xbox does. Try to be cheaper! Try to be stronger! Just don't wait until Summer to show your machine that you're selling in Winter.

[Apex13]

We have become a such a needy bunch haven’t we! Before the internet you just got on with life till their was news and now we are demanding based on assumptions. How about you let these companies run and they will service you when ready. Smh..

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Maybe it's because they have nothing to fear?

[JokerBoy422]

I think it's pretty obvious Sony waiting to see what comes of the Coronavirus before announcing anything major. It's not going to look good to investors either if they announce the PS5 without a price point to reveal to the public as well due to potential shipping issues with China over the Coronavirus.

[JayRyu]

Price point.

[silenthillstrangler]

Well derrrr, of course it's intentional, it's called anticipation.

[Bennibop]

Sony still have 1st party titles releasing on ps4, one just released on Friday to critical acclaim. There is no reason for them to dilute these releases/sales with ps5 news. Microsoft have no aaa 1st party titles releasing before series x so they will be focusing consumers attention elsewhere.

[BlaqMagiq1]

Sony is just biding their time at this point. They will be ready to unleash all their info in one go when the time is right. They already know everyone will be watching.

[TechnoGoat]

I like how everything is supposed gloom and doom for SONY, they have a few titles left to promote for the PS4, it's all marketing why distract your customers when you still have a few titles to promote before the life cycle of the PS4 is completely over. People need to stop with the "rumors" PS5 will be announced and it will sell as well as any other Playstation has.

[darklaw]

Why release all their info now? When the release date is ten months away. This is marketing plain and simple.
You and I and all other gamers out there that frequent game sites know we are getting our ps5, and we have told all our friends about it as well, but the vast majority of people are not gaming geeks,they don't know a PS5 is coming. So before you release a product you want to make as much hype as possible, let a few details slip, and get people excited, but if you do that too early that excitement gets forgotten and the hype dies down.

[kayoss]

Sony don’t need to show or do anything. 4 generations in and they have proven themselves generation after generations that they can deliver. The PlayStation brand is known among the gamers and nothing will change that for the ps5. Even if they release the ps5 without saying much, just the name PlayStation can get fans to buy it.

[TrueRican69]

Plp say sony got nothing to show. But honestly I not worry cuz as an sony fan guy I know they doing what best for us. Ms only showing cuz they think they got next gen won you did not win the last two gen wars what make you to your bluetooth speaker box will workout.

[windblowsagain]

Sony are not in a rush to show everything. They are the leaders will be ready when they are ready.

Thing is. Sony produces the best 1st party games and has all the 3rd games it needs as well. It does not matter even if the xbox is more powerful. Means nothing.

I personally don't think power wise there will be much between them.

Nintendo is exclusives, but you are seeing more 3rd party going to switch, even though they are lower graphically.

[crxss]

like every other business right now, they're anticipating delays due to the coronavirus so they're staying quiet until they can guarantee a release date

[Pacifico]

I really think they have nothing to show off. Last of us 2 will be their highlite but ill buy it on my 4. Ill beat the drum on were not ready for a next gen. The difference aint worth the price. Xbox may have sumthin goin w the choices thing. Im glad my s will play the games at least 4 a year or 2 then ill upgrade.

[Seiichisnuf]

Have ANY of you considered that Sony and Nintendo (Both Japanese Companies) are delaying while focus is on CORONAVIRUS when video game sales will be at their lowest 🙄 common let's not be morons.