Twinfinite talked to Final Fantasy VII Remake Producer Yoshinori Kitase and he provided more color on the episodic nature of the series.
1st game the whole midgar fight and escape ....2nd game until Aeris temple ...3rd game to the end + release of a complete edition to include all the previous episodes
I'll be damned. If they think they are breaking a full game into multiple $60 purchases to get more money, they won't be getting mine. If I won't be able to play all the way through this upcoming game and fight Sephiroth, forget it. Any additional FF7 release better be new storylines.
The sheer size would make what you are asking for really hard to do. If they are making 3 full games of content then perhaps they should be compensated for such. The first part alone fills two bluray discs. Hands on impressions say that not only is it faithful but with brand new content like full voiced conversations and scene where there was once only dialogue boxes. This project will be huge. What it sounds like you want is to wait like 3 years for the complete edition to go on sale for $20 and thats just fine too.
I don't want to defend episodic content practice but here I can understand, the cost of developing the whole of FF7 in a single product would cost way more than they could make back. Having said that though, if they use this as an excuse to artificially extend the story to get more out of less content, then that practice is going to get them a lot of hate. I think it's understandable with Midgar being episode 1 but it needs to branch out for episode 2 and cover a good chunk of content.
You bet your harry ass they will charge not only $60 for each, BUT they will all have insanely priced collectors editions. On top of that plan on each console having re-released versions that will also be $60. Then maybe 10 years from now the "definitive edition" with all 3 games plus DLC and whatever the hell else for PS6.
The original game took 3 disks and the game is basically a open world RPG once you reach a certain point in the game. So you want the developers to re-create the entire FF7 world and stories in one go? Even MCU have to break their movies into multiple installments.
You are absolutely allowed to wait 2-3 years for a sale. It's up to you.
I mean its a triple A game thats a remake of one of the best games ever made from one of the best generations. Its a wish come true and Id be willing to even pay that much for the whole experience. Square has said that the world of ff7s so huge and that they want to perfect it so it would take multiple games to complete it like ff13 1-3 or ffx 1-2. There will also be new scenes and more to extend from the original. Of course that all depends if the first episode is good. The amount of content, gameplay, and playtime will be the deciding factor for me.
Remakes no matter how painstakingly worked on are still games we, most of us I should say, already played and know. So waiting for the complete edition is a no brainer. As for people who haven't played it I'd say go for it get part 1 and see if you like it. SE made enough changes to align the game mechanics to what gamers today are expecting so its a rather safe bet. Tbh I was crazy about FF7 for years...but after spending more than 1500 hrs with it (i was broke back at ps1 days so every game got a shit ton of play time) so I'm not that excited to buy it day 1. I will though when its done.
talk is cheap. i feel the same. but i am honest enough to myself and the world that i will buy and play it.
By all means don't buy it. I'm glad Square is not listening to idiots like you who think its possible to cram the enormity of FF7 into 2-3 disks. No one is going to lose sleep over your empty threats. It'd be like Peter Jackson caving into Studios to cram Lord of the Rings into 1 movie.
You do that
they did that with 13 and no one really complained?
I'm right there with you man. SE is purposely turning this thing into an episodic game because they want more money and they know they'll get away with it to because of the nostalgia people have for FFVII. I won't be caught dead supporting this. And everyone on here defending this BS is gonna be crying when 5 years from now every studio is breaking games up into episodes and charging full price for each one.
100% correct on this. But look at your disagrees. Seems like Square already has the fanboys bent over ready to be fleeced. The original game was roughly 40 hours long. They are talking about extending this first part to roughly that, all the while, you are paying full price. No one asked for more for the sake of more, Square. We asked for a faithful remake that'll be roughly the same length from start to finish for the price of a game. You know, something that everyone else has done, most recently Capcom with RE2. Yet, here you are, ready to Peter Jackson the fuck out of this thing and extend it to three parts, because...er...because money. You want us to shell out 150 quid to get a full product. Well, you can get fucked! I certainly will not fall for that piecemealing approach to something you could have easily completed in content spanning 40+ hours like a lot of games do these days, but you want to turn this into The Hobbit of videogames.
@Dom_Estos ...I'm not a "square fanboy" as you so eloquently put it, but if you don't want it... don't buy it. Seriously. This is something I don't get these days. We've been asking for this for years and the creators of FF7 wanted to do it properly, and after reading Poly's FF7 dev history write up I can see why they wanted to give it this treatment. It's their property. It's their game, they want to make it amazing for fans, and I'm excited. I'm disappointed that I won't be able to play all the way through without waiting for more, but they're doing it and I'm going to enjoy it.
If I ever do buy this game - and thats a big 'if' - it wont be until everything is out and discounted to no more than the price of a single game all together. I full well expect to be a grandfather by the time that happens.
Seriously. You could do it all in the second one and finish it.
its crazy enough that they're putting midgar on two disc, i mean you are there for a bit but not a whole lote. They are padding a ton of stuff I can only assume
Like I've said, all that padding is most likely extra content they are adding to prolong the game so why don't they just do the game as it is with a few new things here and there they have space for then add onto the world in a sequel or something further down the line. I mean I know why...more instalments, more money but still.
Its not padding, they are diving deeper into the story that we havent seen before.
@kayoss So... padding.
Padding isn't necessarily a bad thing. I'm all for delving deeper into the city of Midgar. It's such a big location, and we only got to see very select sections of the city in the original. I think it makes a lot of sense to expand on it.
Kayoss You act like FF7 wasn’t deep It was a rich filled world, sure add some more lore and longer missions from the first game explaining things more but you don’t need to create so much when you could just finish the game how it is
Well if you look at the old game and think about it. There is a lot that could have been elaborated on. More time in Midgar to really get to know the characters. I wouldn't exactly call it padding. There is a lot left to be desired there. In a lot of the original game to be honest. Anyway, I seem to remember years ago that this is what they're aiming to do. Some people just want a straight up remake and that isn't what this is, but that doesn't make it a bad thing. We will have to wait and see but there's no way in hell I'd buy a straight remake, I am super excited for the potential this has though.
You have no idea how intense this development is clearly. If it's not for you then that's okay
Right first of all I didn't say anything to give off the impression it "wasn't for me" Secondly the development is intense because Square Enix made it that way, if they just did a simpler remake they'd have finished it by now and it would most likely all be in one package
People seem to remember FF7 as being this perfect creation. I remember it as a game I loved. I also remembered a LOOOT of parts I wish had more detail. -Foxtrot says it's deep. I disagree, the last time I played it, it felt like a lot of wasted opportunity and just a lot more I wanted to see more of.
1st game should have been Aerith, 2nd game should have been post-Aerith. I'm excited by the idea of (what I am presuming will be) a dense, handmade, open-world Midgar, but Midgar is like under a half of the first disc, and they're stretching it across 2 whole blurays. If they want the rest of the game to be as dense, you're talking 4 or 5 parts, and like what, 8 to 10 discs? Also, have they really not planned the second part? When is it going to release then? If it's as dense as the first part, and they haven't even started making it, that means it'll come out in like 2023 or something. If the game really is going to have 4-5 parts, the last part won't be out till like the 2030s, and god knows what will happen between now and then. And what about other projects? If they'e going to be working heavily on the VII Remake for the next decade, how will they make other games? It'd be awesome to be able to play a game this massive and ambitious, but is it really necessary to do this much work for the game to be good and worth playing? I really don't think so. Based on the little we know, this approach just seems kind of insane, but maybe it's not as bad as it looks.
I mean, Midgar is the biggest city in FF7's world. (Maybe tied with Junon) I seriously doubt they're going to pad out anything nearly as much as they have with Midgar though.
But how are the next parts going to compare to the first if they aren't as dense? They might feel like totally different games, and they might pale in comparison to the first one. I would expect them to pad out the world around the various places of interest - maybe open-world with large zones or something. Like, it wouldn't do if the subsequent parts were as dense as the original games - it would make the total experience very strange and unbalanced. It would probably feel a bit like the difference between Lucis and Niflheim / Tenebrae in XV.
Tbf don't forget the game had to essentially start from scratch 2 years ago. And they even say they expect to be more efficient going forward. So roughly 3 years, they could maybe get that down to two each episode. So 2022 and last episode 2024. They have started work on it, their just not sure where to end it story wise. I'd be surprised if there isn't at least a small team lay the ground work for 2 whilst everyone else finishes 1.
this game will stretch into FFVIIs 35th Anniversary. PS6 launches with FFVII The Remake Complete Edition. I was hoping they ditched the stupid episodic idea. they're milking the ish out this. There was no reason to reinvent the wheel. Just make it from forged aluminum instead of wood. I guess we'll see how it plays out but I'm less excited for 3/3/20 and more excited for 3/3/30 when the entire game is available.
I'm fine with them breaking the game up due to the sheer size of the game, but what I'm most worried is about, is development during the end lifecycle of one console and the beginning of another. This is going to complicate things significantly and I hope they are prepared. Personally, I'm not buying them until its finished 100%. I'm still enjoying the original on my ps1.
You do that, but I guarantee it halfway through a part youre gonna buy it mr. Cool.
Hmm, unlike yourself, I actually have self control and dont dictate my purchases through impulse. People who pre-order should learn to do the same.
Far enough to be playable on Switch and XBOX. Btw I have all three so don't come come for me
Funny how you say that about this game, but when it's an Xbox exclusive you never say to bring it to PS4.
Why would I when all you guys have high end gaming rigs.
Are you two married?
No guilty is just full of his usual bs.
I see the minimum of games being 3. You will have FFVII, then FFVII-2, and finally Cloud Returns FFVII. I'm sorry I couldn't help it!
But the 2nd and third disc was open world. I dont know why they chose the path of three different games with three different gameplay other than milking a good game that they know people will buy. Also how long is it going to take to complete this game? Making it episodic is dumb imo, all we wanted was a remake of the game meaning basically updated graphics. On top of that charging $60 for each game equals $180, it's one game that they are milking because it's a classic and people love it. I'm sorry but this is bs and it only gives others incentive to follow suit cause this will be a success. Gamers really need to think about it, how many games can add extra content and be split into 3 games at full price.
Finally. Someone else with some sense.
That's what 'some people' wanted, some people actually wanted what they're giving. Sure the parts thing is a bit of a setback but there are loads of people looking forward to this. You want the original with just better graphics, get it on PC with mods and leave the people who want this complete remaking of it to enjoy it.
Lol the PC version is only a port of the original game and yea I have and have modded it but in no way is that modern graphics.
Who's this "we" you are talking about. Ask 100 people what they wanted from the remake, and you'll get 100 different answers. Square could in no way satisfy all the fans, and nowadays, no way they could do everything that everyone wanted. If all you wanted was updated graphics, play the console port of the PC version, or get one of the many mods on PC. That's been available for almost two decades. I've been excited for the game since it's announcement. I was willing to give it a chance until they showed more. After that game play trailer, I'm all in. I want a good game. I want it to be a remake of FF7. I will support this game, and accept Square Enix's interpretation of the remake. If I get it, and it's not good, I'll not worry about the next games as much. I can sit here and be upset it wasn't MY vision for the remake, or I can give it a chance. Giving it a chance and I'm more likely to have fun than sitting around wallowing in discontent.
I'll buy the complete edition in 2021 for half off. I'm a patient person.
That's two of us.
Reading up about the separation of parts makes we wonder why they didn't delay the game so it can be a cross gen release.
PS5 is cross gen so FF7R is as well. Square could have a boost ready to upgrade the existing purchases on PS5.
I don't understand why do people keep bringing that up all the time. A cross-gen title is a title that's released on two generations of VG systems, as in, at the end of an old one and the beginning of a new one, like Mickeymania at the end of the 16-bit era and the beginning of the PS1 one, or Alone in the Dark 4 at the end of the PS1 era, and the beginning of the PS2 era, or The Godfather at the end of the PS2 and the beginning of the PS3, or Assassin's Creed Black Flag at the end of the PS3 era and the beginning of the PS4. This was motivated by the fact that back then there was a huge leap between each gen, and the only way to enjoy the benefits of a new hardware was to re-develop the game for it (that is, on consoles). Flash forward to 2019 we know the PS5 will play PS4 games just fine
Edit: I don't understand why do people keep bringing that up all the time. A cross-gen title is a title that's released on two generations of VG systems, as in, at the end of an old one and the beginning of a new one, like Mickeymania at the end of the 16-bit era and the beginning of the PS1 one, or Alone in the Dark 4 at the end of the PS1 era, and the beginning of the PS2 era, or The Godfather at the end of the PS2 and the beginning of the PS3, or Assassin's Creed Black Flag at the end of the PS3 era and the beginning of the PS4. This was motivated by the fact that back then there was a huge leap between each gen, and the only way to enjoy the benefits of a new hardware was to re-develop the game for it (that is, on consoles). But flash forward to 2019, we know the PS5 will play 100% of the PS4 games just fine, with good reason considering the similar architecture of both systems, so that (normally) NULLIFIES that sort of practice. So, Final Fantasy VII Remake PS4 version will play just fine on the PS5, we'll just have to download a few dozen GBs to play it in native 4K @ 60 or 120 fps et voila. No need for cross-gen re-releases with scalable games like on PC, it's not like playing Alone in the Dark 4 PSOne version on the PS2, where the graphics would've been marginally improved, forcing you to buy the PS2 version. Now and going forward I expect it will always be the case, we should be able to do on consoles like on PC, and never have to rebuy any of those remasters anymore.
Till the end of the damn game, no more no less. Pretty damn simple
Sure, if you want to wait years for the full release.
2 parts. before ad and after. very easy.
@abriael, it's Midgar not Midgard.
People saying the first disk should only include Midgard might forget that that entire sequence of the game takes about 6 hours to complete. We need much morein the first game
They can easily expand on that. there is a lot of content packed into that 6 hours. After leaving Midgar, a lot of time can be spent exploring more, so if they let you explore more, or integrate more back story, then there is plenty more to explore.
That's worrying, but part one is 9 months away so I hope they have things together by then
What a greedy mess. On top of this, there might be MTs and who knows how long it will take them to release the episodes. What 10 years? Since they couldn't make a complete game because of the size? This all seems a bit crass to me. I think they have most of it made and could have released a complete game for the PS5.
Everyone keeps saying "the sheer size of it" while defending it being episodic. What are y'all even talking about!? Yes, it was a huge game for its time. But that was only because of the medium it was on back in PS1 days. It had no choice but to be on multiple discs. And I understand that it is being totally remade with new graphics and new story lines. And I understand it needing to be on multiple discs again. The new graphics and assets dictate that. I get it. However, that does not warrant the game being broken down into episodes. That is purely SE trying to make as much money as they can squeeze out of us fans. It's still just a game. There are already huge games that are on multiple discs that don't require it to be released in episodes, years apart. They could have remade the full game beginning to end with brand new graphics and had one release on multiple discs. So stop making excuses for them. You act like FF7 is the biggest game ever made. It's not. They're not reinventing the wheel.