The PS4’s Lack of Game Preview Is Why We Are Skipping It, Says Deep Rock Galactic Developer

There are many games that skip out on a release on the PS4 and go with an exclusive release on the Xbox One instead. These are all smaller games- titles for which extra sales that the PS4's larger install base might afford would be helpful. And yet, there are many that only release on Xbox One anyway.

[masterfox]

"The lack of a program like Game Preview made it quite difficult for us to find a viable way to do this before full release”
^^^^^Wow so they are upset they can't released an incomplete game on the PS4 ?,and they nicely called this a preview games program ?, wow just wow, if this case they can stay miles away from the PS4 then, I think the least we need is that our PS4 gaming library is full of incomplete games.

[Destiny1080]

steam got 5000 new games last year thanks to this garbage

in saying that I'm really not against it as long as its clearly marked and in a dedicated area, but it looks like sony don't want to deal with this headache

[Kingthrash360]

Is gaming dying? Because stuff is getting more and more dumb by the day.
Take your game and bring it else where. Why are you complaining? You must can't finish the game and want gamers to pay for it while incomplete and the deliver a game that is a shell of the promise.
Go elsewhere, bring the game back when it's complete. Or cancel your game if you can't afford it

[morganfell]

"There are many games that skip out on a release on the PS4 and go with an exclusive release on the Xbox One instead"

Stopped reading the propaganda right there.

[Eonjay]

Couldn't they just do a demo like dozens of other devs? They are citing a nonexistent problem. Other devs do a beta, but these guys just can't figure it out if its not called Game Preview?

[chuckyj1]

Why is it a headache? MS put it in its own little clearly marked section warning gamers the game isn't a full product and a work in progress... doesn't seem difficult to implement or a headache... It helps gamers shape the game... it's not terrible feature to have... But I don't think it should be required either...

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

If it's one thing I dislike about Steam, it's sifting through all that garbage, I doubt Microsoft is really picking up alot of those "exclusive" titles and if they did, how may are excited to pay for it? Not everyone can be a PUBG, that was just an outlier in sea of half-assed or incomplete titles.

[subtenko]

its more straightforward with playstation, however I do think sony can help to introduce new ideas in a clear and concise update to all of the players know whats up and theres no excuses to be made.

Besides, theres tons of games on ps4 that are complete so aint really missing out on much and we're always getting premium and quality options when it comes to the playstation platform...then of course theres some of the f2p and 'tiny/mobile' game crap that is on there, but at the same time theres lots of QUALITY F2P games there as well. With that said...some of these 'incomplete' games seem more appealing that the crap small indie titles that are really just mobile games. Example: the frozen match em up game.

[agent4532]

Agreed and out of those games that were Early Access only like 5 or less went into full release.

[Michiel1989]

Consoles are more about the plug and play out of the box experience without much tinkering with setting or installing. I think Sony doesn't want psn to become clusterfucked with (buggy) early acces games like steam.

Early acces games do have a benefit which is another story, but it doesnt really fit the console market.

[Death]

The Early Access and Game Preview are ways gamers can try a game for FREE before buying. After the free trial gamers can commit and start playing unfinished games or they can wait for the games full release before buying. This gives smaller devs the ability to generate income during the development process and also gives them valuable feedback on a games progress. These programs are both developer friendly and pro-gamer since gamers can try before buying. I'm not sure why any gamer would be against this.

[TFJWM]

Very few Early Access games have free trials or demos, you have to buy it before you can play them...You are pretty much paying to beta test a game which is in no way gamer friendly.

[yomfweeee]

Early access isn't exactly free. You pay to alpha/beta test.

[stuna1]

Have you heard the cover of a book is not necessarily representative of it's actual content.

[Death]

Looking on the Xbox Store, Early Preview games like The Culling say "Buy Now" or "Try for Free". I'm not sure where you guys are getting your information.

[Teflon02]

Early Access is on PS4 as it is other places and it's almost never free.
What this guy must be talking about is something that's completely in a messy state.

[rainslacker]

It's basically just a kickstarter with a product available when you pay, instead of waiting it out for the dev to release a product.

Nothing wrong with kickstarter, or even early access, but I don't think most people care if this dev wants to skip the PS4 because they can't capitalize on the user base before completing their game.

It's their prerogative of course, but the dev could have left out the hyperbole about how PS4 users are losing out on so much because Sony doesn't support early access.

[Aceman18]

F that I'm not paying for service just to play some incomplete game lol.

These devs are out their damn minds if they thinking I'm ok with that sh*t lol.

[zb1ftw777]

Because you have it wrong.

You have to pay to play them.

[agent4532]

Become game developers don't listen what gamers have to say. Two, the game remains incomplete forever to the point it gets canned, forgotten, etc.. Three, unable to pay what you want, pay $15-$30 for an unfinished game is ridicolous; itchio lets gamers pay as much as they want on early access games the way it should be. That way if you spend $5.00 and the game never gets completed then the gamer only loses $5.00 😋. Finally, it would be nice if game developers go silent on early access proyect for more than two months

[KillBill]

Yes, most early access has a price associated and yes that price is usually much less than the price when released.

Some can look at it being a very early pre-order at a greatly reduced price. Ark as the best example of a preview game that did very well and offered a great fun game.

As it is we have AAA games like BF1 that are a full release that is going through constant updates and might as well be a preview game with the way they alienated players with all their changes.

PUBG has done wonders on STEAM and likely to do similar on XB1. If you don't like it then don't buy it, simple. Rather have the option than not.

[KillBill]

Updated edited reply: (never pause to eat when making an edit... ha)

Yes, most early access has a price associated and yes that price is usually much less than the price when released.

Some can look at it being a very early pre-order at a greatly reduced price. Ark as the best example of a preview game that did very well and offered a great fun game.

As it is we have AAA games like BF1 that are a full release that is going through constant updates and might as well be a preview game with the way they alienated players with all their changes.

PUBG has done wonders on STEAM and likely to do similar on XB1. If you don't like it then don't buy it, simple. Rather have the option than not.

And early access allows for buyers to have more direct input into games progress with built-in feedback hubs on games.

XBox One Insider program also allows early access to select games in work on a purely FREE basis.

Also note, the Xbox Game Preview program differs from other approaches as the early access titles include a free game demo at the current state of development to give players a chance to test the game before buying.

And the best thing about early access is that it allows multiplayer games to earn a following before full release. More often than not increasing the user base over-all and allowing a new Dev team a better chance at success in the said multiplayer realm.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

those not understanding Early Access or game preview on Xbox..... the Xbox program requires developers to offer a free trial unlike Steam.

[Kosic]

Worst thing is they can then get the funds from green light sales and run off without delivering a finished product.

[KillBill]

A bit more control over that from MS side with their contracts and pre-review of Devs prior to allowing into the system. Not everyone gets automatic allowance into the program.

And for sure it is a lot different than say a funding program. An actual playable game has to be present before even being looked at.

[Paytaa]

Sounds like most AAA games nowadays

[KwietStorm_BLM]

More apologists running to the rescue of the holy PlayStation. Wow just wow. Let's completely ignore the features PS4 doesn't have that could bolster the UX of the platform. Doesn't matter because we got all the exclusivez

Early Access itself doesn't open the floodgates with garbage games. It just allows for people to try the games that do become available early. It's another **option** that would be great to see on PS4, just like a Pro controller, just like EA Access, just like selective asset downloads, and just like cross play. But PlayStation says all these things are bad, so the hive agrees. It's funny they said they made the Pro to entice PC players, yet the PS4 seems more of a closed platform every day. The exact opposite of what a PC gamer would want.

[rainslacker]

Out of all the early access games available on steam, what is the percentage of ones available, versus the ones that finished development after being successful in early access?

I'd really like some solid numbers on this, because from what I've seen based on cursory observation, I see more people complaining about these devs who never finish their games. They either are in a constant state of development, or they close up shop to never be heard from again. I'd like to know the real statistics on how many games actually get delivered in a final form, where they can be sold as a final product.

Without said statistics, it's hard to determine if it's a good or bad thing, but I can certainly see why Sony wouldn't want to be annoyed by unhappy customers who get tired of investing in games that never get finished. Kickstarter, and several early access games I can think of have all gotten criticism for never coming to fruition.

So....what are the statistics to say that early access is a good thing.

What I can tell is that most PS4 gamers don't seem to care, and what is obvious is you assume that not caring is somehow being a corporate apologist.

[rainslacker]

Guess game preview sounds better than "pay us before we finish development"(AKA early access).

To me, a preview is something more like a demo, where they release part of the game as a way to get people hyped up. If you have to pay for it, it's a product.

When the game is done, maybe they'll consider the PS4. If it's good, PS4 gamers may consider buying it. It's their decision, and their reasoning is their own, so more power to them. But don't expect PS4 gamers to lament over the loss of some early access games, when very few of them actually amount to much, and most never exit the early access phase.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

There are a few early access games I'm interested in, but I'm not plonking down my money until it's finished, hence I've never actually paid for an early access title. At this point, it sounds like PUBG will be one of the few games like that that will end up on the Playstation.

[rainslacker]

I have nothing against the premise, but it seems many never get finished, or end up being this constant GaaS. It's basically a episodic type premise, except instead of game play being complete with individual levels being released, it's released ad hoc as the developers get around to things.

It's fine if people want to partake, and fine if developers want to go this route, but the dev shouldn't be soapboxing about it like he was here IMO.

[chuckyj1]

It's a good way developers can get fluid feedback by gamers so the finished product is a much better game than it would have been... nothing wrong with a game preview program... Just because Sony doesn't have it doesn't mean it's bad. I am not saying it's a good reason to skip a release on a different console though...

[trooper_]

They're full of crap.

[NarooN]

Early Access on Steam is pretty much straight up AIDS. The amount of absolute trash on Steam is mind-bending and PS4 owners should be glad they don't have to sift thru such trash when they wanna browse a storefront.

[spreadlove]

The incomplete PUBG is very popular. In fact, it is the most popular game on Steam breaking all records. Coming to Xbox due to Early Access! 🤤

Early Access is a way for gamers to influence how the game is developed, but yeah keep staying ignorant.

[masterfox]

before going crazy for just one game like that unfinished game like PUBG, ask yourself a question, what's the percentage of success of those kind of incomplete games?, yeah I know right that percentage is pretty sad, is not about ignorance is about common sense!.

[spreadlove]

fox,

Ask yourself this, can you ignore games you do not like?

I thought more games is always better, and part of why people hail exclusives as the second coming of Christ. Maybe it only applies when fanboying?

[C-H-E-F]

lmao, preview? why not put the game up as a beta isn't the same? alpha? demo? shhhh NBA Live put up a whole game demo and then scraped the game entirely lOl... Ohhhhh they want to charge us to play an alpha game, so how is that previewing anything? lOl Their games are trash anyways, so we aren't missing anything.

[gamer7804]

I don't think your last sentence means what you think it meant. The "least we need" implies that you need at the very "least" more games in preview mode for the system, which is the opposite I believe of the point you are trying to make.

regardless I don't mind there being demos or games in preview as long as it's detailed or organized in a way so its not confused with regular games.

[NeoGamer232]

That is like me telling you that mega stores like Walmart shouldn't sell bath towels....

Why?

Because there is so much other good stuff in electronics and I don't need that crap.

Game preview is totally optional, and just like walking through a mega store like Walmart, no one is making you buy the stuff you aren't interested in.

[DeadSilence]

Good no need for unfinished garbage on Ps4 anyway, alot of garbage on the Store already.

Plus Fortnite Paragon and much more are on early acess on Ps4 but ok.

[LordJamar]

Good lord paragon is still EA? Jesus Christ

[Magic_Spatula]

But aren't all of the Early Access/Beta games on PS4 free to play anyway?

[agent4532]

Wait Fortnite still in early access ????

[NatFanBoyRestricted]

So you're saying there isn't alot of unfinished games in the store, but theres garbage there already?

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Okay whatever man

[Silly gameAr]

Mad that some people don't want to pay for incomplete games? Oh well, I'm sure you'll find plenty of suckers to support that stuff. Good luck.

[LordJamar]

They all have free trails

[Liqu1d]

They shouldn't be selling unfinished games in the first place. QA testers get payed to test unfinished games but consumers pay to test unfinished games.

[ShadowWolf712]

lmao no they don't

you gotta pay. Usually around $20-$30.

[MatrixxGT]

Yeah good riddance.

[Codedan]

They all usually have like a 1 hour trial on Xbox. People clearly don’t understand that here. If you don’t like Early Access games then don’t buy them it’s plain and simple. The more options a consumer has the better.

[UCForce]

Well, that's disrespectful, ignorant and arrogant from them.

[StormLegend]

Thank god we don't have it either. You can keep those incomplete games. We play on consoles to have complete games ready and finished.

[Imalwaysright]

Like Driveclub? Like No man's sky? Like GT sport?

[remixx116]

Nah like......umm?? How many games have released on Xbox this year??

[Imalwaysright]

remixx116

I don't know but I'm pretty sure that there were many games released for it this year. What I do know is that your attempt at deflection was weak and pathetic.

[AspiringProGenji]

Says who again?

[FallenAngel1984]

It'd be great if PS4 had a lot of game trials like PS3 did

[sin7279]

Gamingshit strike again!

[bluefox755]

I'm not a fan of this business model anyway. It seems to generate perpetually unfinished games almost exclusively, while asking people to pay to beta test it. Xbox can have them. Bring it to PS4 if and when it's ever actually finished.

[agent4532]

It has already happened with a lot of early access games on PC coming to PS4 once the PC version went gold:

Dirt Rally
The Escapists
Plague Inc Evolved
Don't Starve
Wasteland 2

Now Distance is coming to PS4 once the PC version goes into full release.

As a PC gamer is sucks to pay to beta test these early access games then watch them come to PS4 once the game goes gold 👿

[Imalwaysright]

"The content will come, though Forza will stay mediocre."

You said this 2 or 3 days ago... What caused this sudden change of opinion regarding incomplete games?

[Vasto]

This was 1 of the 22 exclusives revealed at E3 for Xbox

[Eonjay]

You mean timed launch titles most of which are not exclusive to Xbox This was 1 of those. .

[Vasto]

This is not timed. LMAO

[ziggurcat]

@vasto:

yes it is: http://gematsu.com/2017/06/...

console launch exclusive = timed exclusive.

[Vasto]

@ ziggurcat

And I am still not seeing anything about PS4.

Did you even read the article? LMAO

[ziggurcat]

@vasto:

I did. Did you? It was announced as a console launch exclusive, and that means timed exclusive.

[spreadlove]

ziggur,

console launch exclusive != timed exclusive

It is only timed exclusive if it ever comes to other platform, and I'm not even sure if that really qualifies as timed exclusivity, since there is not necessarily a deal to keep it off other platforms. It's more like came first and by default is exclusive.

[guyman]

Good lord, do you xbox fanboys SERIOUSLY believe what you're saying? Either you dont, or your delusion Levels are off the charts.

[ziggurcat]

@spreadlove:

"console launch exclusive != timed exclusive"

yes, it does: https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

[ziggurcat]

@vasto:

... console launch exclusives... which means timed, not full exclusives.

[UCForce]

It's timed exclusive. But who need this game anyway ? Developers of this game are just arrogant.

[TheColbertinator]

Worked well for Elite Dangerous imo

[Mr-Dude]

There are "some" games of course, but 90% is just not fun and really uther messy crap.

[Relientk77]

Your loss lol

[jay2]

mate. if you honistly beleieve its benifiscual to not go with what the majorty of people own console wise thats fine but dont cry when u go the way of Viseral games.

[Kribwalker]

yep because user base has saved games like gravity rush 2 and lawbreakers

[Doabarrelroll]

At least gravity rush actually GOT a sequel cant say the same for ryse, QB, sunset overdrive, etc.

As for lawbreakers releasing a generic Game that isnt that good in a flooded genere is bad, no matter what platforms it releases on. Now leave troll

[gangsta_red]

@doabarrelroll

Very true, it GOT a chance to fail twice.

I guess the excuse for failed games on the larger install base has been moved from niche to generic.

[ziggurcat]

@gangsta:

can you cite any examples of people referring to lawbreakers as "niche"?

[gangsta_red]

@ziggurcat

Can you cite any examples where I referred to Lawbreakers as generic?

[ziggurcat]

Sorry, gangsta, that is not what is being asked.

Your statement implies that when a game has failed on the larger install base (i.e. PS4), that people's excuses have been that it's a "niche" game. Since Doabarrelroll referred to lawbreakers as "generic", and it's a veritable failure on the larger (i.e. PS4) install base, your statement also implies that the proverbial goal posts have suddenly been moved from "niche" to "generic" when defending the low sales of a game on the PS4 - so please, cite some examples of people (or even better, Doabarrelroll) ever referring to lawbreakers as "niche" in the past, which would actually lend credibility to what you've stated.

[gangsta_red]

Sorry Ziggurcat but you have a bad habit of misconstruing statements and imagining what someone is "implying" even though it is no where near what was said. This is why you continue to say "imply" because you yourself actually have no clue what is truly being said.

My statement never "implied" that Lawbreakers was generic, Doabarrelroll called the game generic it wasn't "implied" as you said to defend him, he "Literally" called the game generic.

Now answer the question since you brought it up, where did I call Lawbreakers generic?

[Kribwalker]

@ziggur
Red is correct. doabarrell roll called it generic and red said the goalposthave moved from calling a game that failed before was referred to as “niche” but lawbreakers failure on the bigger userbase is because it’s being called generic

[ziggurcat]

No, gangsta.

“Doabarrelroll called the game generic... he "Literally" called the game generic.”

Uh huh... so where has he or anyone else ever referred to lawbreakers as “niche”, thereby proving that the goalposts you seem to think have been moved, have actually been moved? That’s the question, there was nothing in the question that ever said anything about you calling the game generic.

[Kribwalker]

oh ziggur
he said Games not selling well on the bigger userbase was typically said that it was because they were Niche games (like when gravity rush 2 was released and they said it only sold 180,000 copies everyone said it was because it was a niche game) and now when lawbreakers being a low seller on the bigger user base came up, doabarrellroll said it was because it was a generic game.
So Red said i guess it’s now generic games as an excuse instead of niche games.
that’s it. end of argument. at no time did he imply someone called lawbreakers niche, he just said the excuse for games not selling well on the larger user base has shifted from niche to generic games

[gangsta_red]

@Krib

"...at no time did he imply someone called lawbreakers niche, he just said the excuse for games not selling well on the larger user base has shifted from niche to generic games."

This concept escapes Ziggurcat because he's fixated on arguing moot points that he believes is being implied which is why he constantly uses that term.

No where did I say that people called Lawbreakers niche which is exactly why i asked Ziggurcat to find where I said Lawbreakers was generic because that wasn't the point or wasn't the claim here. So again he's arguing something that isn't relevant to the discussion.

The whole point is the absurdity of thinking a game will sell just because of a larger install base and then making excuses when it doesn't. Has absolutely zero to do with who called Lawbreakers niche. One day ziggurcat will get it but I suspect he'll not understand this and continue to keep following me trying to catch me in some sort of hypocrisy or something he thinks i *implied*.

[ziggurcat]

Oh krib
If the argument has shifted from “niche” to “generic”, krib, where’s the evidence of people previously referring to (in this case) lawbreakers as “niche”? If the argument is that the goalposts have moved, show the evidence.

[Kribwalker]

ziggur
No one ever called lawbreakers niche. it was never ever considered niche. he just said, people use to say games didn’t sell well because they were niche (we are talking about other games, not lawbreakers, just games that didn’t sell well on the ps4) now doabarrellroll said lawbreakers didn’t sell well because it’s generic. so RED said, we are now claiming games don’t sell well because they are generic, and before the excuse was they were niche. different games. NOT LAWBREAKERS, BUT DIFFERENT GAMES LIKE GRAVITY RUSH 2......
i swear sometimes it’s like i’m talking to a wall

[Doabarrelroll]

I wont try to deflect what I said about lawbreakers cause its true. When games like OW, COD, BF, SIEGE, SW, DESTINY exists what does lawbreakers do different to give it identity and make it worth playing?............nothing from what I hear, its not an excuse its facts that eveyone agrees.

Gravity rush 2 however IS niche but I dont care, I bought, played and beat both and im satisfied it got a sequel despite being niche.

However im not using the term generic as an excuse why lawbreakers didnt do well sales wise nor please explain how my solo view of a lawbreakers accounts for everyones view of the lawbreakers like you guys assumed, way to make an ass out of yourself Red.

My question to you RED is if GV2 is a failure in your eyes because of sales despite being well recieved what do you call every xbox game this year besides cuphead that has flopped sales wise AND hasn't done well review wise either?

[ziggurcat]

@krib:

"No one ever called lawbreakers niche...."

Right... so then how does Doabarrelroll's reference to Lawbreakers as being "generic" miraculously indicate a shift in the argument that low sales on a larger install base = niche game? How does one reference to a failure of a game being generic signal that kind of paradigm shift?

"... so RED said, we are now claiming games don’t sell well because they are generic, and before the excuse was they were niche. different games. NOT LAWBREAKERS, BUT DIFFERENT GAMES LIKE GRAVITY RUSH 2......"

Gangsta made his statement in response to Doabarrelroll saying that Lawbreakers was "generic"... not Gravity Rush 2... or any other games... only Lawbreakers.

@gangsta:

"No where did I say that people called Lawbreakers niche..."

You did when you said people are now calling games generic instead of niche in defense of the low sales numbers on a larger install base. Your argument is that people, at one point, referred to these games as "niche", including Lawbreakers, but are now calling them "generic."

"The whole point is the absurdity of thinking a game will sell just because of a larger install base and then making excuses when it doesn't."

Then say that instead of accusing people of moving goalposts...

[gangsta_red]

@ziggurcat

Funny to see your argument shift from one point to the next and it's all based on something you believe is "implied". Meaning what you personally think but isn't really true.

"...at one point, referred to these games as "niche", including Lawbreakers, but are now calling them "generic.""

No one included Lawbreakers as niche..are you seriously this ridiculous? You are the only one here that came to that conclusion yourself. It's the same as you thinking that comments on articles are implying that Sony is the bad guy. Your so fixated on what you think you believe.

"Then say that instead of accusing people of moving goalposts"

It would "imply" the same damn thing! Lol, Are you kidding me??

@doabarrelroll

"My question to you RED is if GV2 is a failure in your eyes because of sales despite being well recieved.."

In my eyes? It wasnt successful is a fact, not in my eyes. It doesn't matter if it was cast in gold and fed to starving kids, it wasn't a hit.

"..you call every xbox game this year besides cuphead that has flopped sales wise AND hasn't done well review wise either?"

Pretty sure QB and SO got fair reviews themselves and even still I don't care, just like you, I played the games and beat some of them. Bringing up Xbox games doesn't change the fact that GR2 failed does it?

[Doabarrelroll]

@Red
Please explain how GR2 is a fail, it was well recieved and sold to its particular fanbase cause its niche. Its not some BIG BUDGET hyped to the heavens game. Also bringing up xbox games to a bias fanboy seems appropiate to me

I also like how you ignored my question on xbox games THIS year not last year or 2014 AND completelty ignored my calling you out on your first comment "I guess the excuse for failed games on a larger install basehas been moved from niche to generic"

[Mr-Dude]

Wel looking at steam and a lot of these games are "asset games". Just quickly put together to earn money. They aren't real fun, so thank you for going elsewhere. We will see them in a year or so...

Can't say I miss this feature. The only feature I miss is a wishlist and a proper refund policy.

[LordJamar]

Yep its a good program. Really enjoy ark and we happy few and slime rancher. got to try them out then invested em for super cheap now there all full games coming cant wait to play pubg and day z in the program And many others like deep rock G this program is really good for indie and smaller devs to get support and get there game going all gamers should want tbis tbose who dont just seem to be fanboys fighting for a cause to cut off there nose

[andrewsquall]

Lol, ARK. Pure and utter garbage from is first pre pre pre alpha to the latest version. Please tell me the current one isn't at 1.0 either.

[Liqu1d]

It's"finished" apparently.

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

That's the longest unfinished sentence I've ever read.

[UCForce]

Oh really ? ARK isn't finished and people was a fool to buy it. The developers barely fix any bugs on it.

[Majin-vegeta]

*looks at ARK*
Yea no thanks

[Profchaos]

Whenever I play an incomplete game and know it's incomplete the feeling of buggines that accompanies it doesn't leave my head and even if I enjoy the concept I can't bring my self to precise the complete edition on release

[andrewsquall]

Don't forget that you get to hear the excuse "the game isn't actually finished though, that is why bug 23,465 happens" over and over again until final release when the bug is still there anyway.

[Profchaos]

Truer words have never spoken. Maybe patch 1.9 will finally fix issue XYZ.

I've been burnt to many times by final releases to retail this generation to trust unreleased games. Tony hawk 5 for example.

[psyxon]

Added to the list of games I won't be buying.

[ILostMyMind]

Thanks for this, Sony!

[antikbaka]

who?...

[rainslacker]

Ghost Ship Games.

Developers of Deep Rock Galactic.

It's a FPS which has enhancements for X1X.

It was revealed at MS E3 press conference 2017....so I'd imagine their consideration is more about the marketing MS is doing for them, rather than Sony's stance on early access games, because AFAIK, credible early access games are allowed, but have to be at a certain point in development, and have some funding source beyond user purchases.

[GamingCentaur]

Oh no! What will PS4 owners play this holiday?

[andrewsquall]

That's their decision. Maybe releasing it on the console with around 1200 games and avoiding the one with around 1800 games is a smart move anyway. Less competition that way maybe?

[Sm00thNinja]

Game preview on Xbox is pretty unique. But it's a crappy reason to skip out on an almost 65 million player base. I can't release my game in an incomplete state so no deal? Don't think PS4 is hurting for games regardless.

[opinionated]

I miss the 360 days when everything has a demo. I never trusted the media so I’m just flying blind now.

[Ninjamonkey82]

I learned my lesson on Ark had it from the start of Ps4 early acess build up an almighty base on pve stuffed it wit mut dinos we took months breeding. For Ark devs to crap on us come full release and make are server legacy we where on 173 ps4 so didnt get wiped. But no offical support and ddosers having a party unplayable. Thats what early acess means load of broken promises. We abandoned the base and just quit dino cap reached. Ingots 4 weeks in our safes and are warehouse stacked with every resourse you could find in the game. Cba with early acess on console .

[Bismarn]

As an Xbox fanboy often on the other end of this I'm coming to Playstation's aid here: Stop posting these crap gamingbolt troll stories where they ask some 2-bit indie developer living in his mom's basement to say something critical about Xbox or Playstation and why they are throwing in their lot with one over the other. In either situation good riddance to them, we have quite enough shovelware on all platforms.

[timotim]

I love that Xbox runs a preview program. It allows gamers to help devs shape the development of the game to the point that it hopefully becomes a better game. Currently playing Ghost of a Tale...fantastic titles

[Mr_Luke]

slow news day, uh? I don't even know who are these people and what's their game. I hope for them it's good and will get the support it deserves, wherever it comes out. But the excuse to avoid one of the platforms... seems a bit weak. But whatever.

[Petebloodyonion]

1) who are these guy again?
Not to say that they are wrong or right but I doubt that gamers will rush to purchase a Xbox1 because an unknown indy dev decided to release their game exclusively on it.

2) Before bashing Steam Early access, just a reminder that 2 of the most popular game exist because of this.
Minecraft
Players Unknown Battlegrounds

[ecchiless]

at 1... dunno

at 2... i think ppl is saying that from early access you get a tiny ammount of good titles, the rest never go out from early access and others just die.

[Hardiman]

Here's the thing and yes exclusive games are the main factor for me when buying a console and I love indie games but the games that are never finished and are bare bones those are the exclusives that I pass on. The PS4 isn't hurting for exclusives software and out of the sixty games I have thirty of them are exclusive and there's more coming. Again articles with devs and games I don't care about LOL. Let me know when it's someone of relevance or a must play title.

[gbsrnctaln]

Super surprised that this is a gamingbolt article...

[Miacosa]

Its cool rather not pay for half complete broken games.

[ClanPsi1]

Meh, less sh*tty games is always a good thing.

[subtenko]

Well I wont look into the developer here until they announce it coming to ps4 when their so called game is complete, and thats the only way i'll look into the game AND the developer. So tough luck on them

[Jayszen]

"There are many games that skip out on a release on the PS4 and go with an exclusive release on the Xbox One instead". Really? Maybe you ought to explain clearly from the outset that PS4 does not allow devs to make money off incomplete games is the reason why. But then the writer of the Microsoft favourite GamingBolt has an agenda to talk up Xbox and make it appear that gamers are losing out with the PS4 when it is actually the opposite.

Devs of note make games for the PS4, period. They find the money, make the game and then release it. They release it on the PS4 because it is only on this console (at least until the arrival of Switch) that they are likely to sell enough units to either make a profit ar at least sell enough to survive and go on to bigger and better things. (Before Xbox gamers yell 'Cuphead', that game has sold more on Steam and Microsoft has not released figures of how many sold on Xbox. Besides, that game is so good it would sell on any console). Devs like Ghost Ship want to complete the game with gamers money - money that they want before completing and delivering the game that they have promised or at the very least a decent game. In my experience where the dev has no exposure and the only person who can lose out is the gamer, the latter is what usually happens - either with a poor game or in some cases the game takes a long time to arrive and in some cases is never finished.

I hope Sony does not change the policy on unfinished games. There is some much garbage on Steam, I would rather the same not happen on the PS4.

[OffRoadKing]

In other words we want to be paid for our unfinished crap game and theres no way we can do that on Sony's system. Better if Sony "skips" anything Ghost Ship Games develops.

[frostypants]

Can smell a Failingbolt article based only on its title these days. Obscure dev + clickbait angle. Every time. Try it. So pathetic.

[agent4532]

That's one of the positives of PS4, lack of early access. Is a mess; unless gamers can get a refund for say early access games, have the contact information from game developers, etc. then early access would be good. I hope Sony says to game developers/ publishers screw your early access crap and does not fall like it did with easy to develop games. Now that consoles offer the same hardware/architecture as PC, there has been a lack of unique, creative, push the game envelope forward type of games. Proving gaming journalists, fanboys, and know it alls wrong (easy to develop games = more unique games in quantity and quality).

[Zjet]

Cos i love playing unfinished games...

To be fair didn't stop Ark....didn't stop 7 days to die....

[jlove4life]

That's bs ark was out b4 release so was smite he ll fortnite out in early access keep your trash unfinished game Playstation got more than enough

[PaulFiend]

Says who?

[HeroPsychoDreamer]

If the developers have a game worth investing in, then they would have no problem in finding real investors, and not trying to rip off gamers. I'm never going to support early access.

It's bad enough with all the DLC's and micro transactions ruining games.

Søren Lundgaard can kiss my a**

[Gwiz]

Having supported a few I can tell you it's wise to stay away from most projects.(It's not like you're being rewarded any way and most of the time it ends in disappointment.)

[HeroPsychoDreamer]

That's exactly why these developers need money from gamers. These companies have no financial responsibility towards their "investor", the gamer. To them it's free money. And if you ask me, it's robbery in broad daylight.

[angelusbrz]

Joke article ? I can't really tell...

[superchiller]

No, it's just another typical Gamingbolt article, the site is horribly biased against Sony. Better to not click any links to their poorly written articles, they don't deserve even the few pennies from your visit.

[marloc_x]

Good on ya Deep Rock Galactic✊

[BeOpenMinded]

Said it before and say it again. Ark, astroneer, elite, path of exile, long dark, and otherd have been a huge boon to my xbox experience. Along with PC ports with early releases is vastly underestimated with xbox. It's a major selling point to me the PC integration. Sony needs to change this as it's a buyers market and not a companies decision what you may want to enjoy. Early access is great and cheap!

[superchiller]

Sony is doing great without listening to your poorly thought out opinions, I don't think they need to worry about anything right now. And I say this as an owner of both the PS4 and XBox One, I like both consoles but the PS4 is by far the best console this generation.

[BeOpenMinded]

Thats great sony is doing well PS has had some awesome games, I've personally thoroughly enjoyed NIoh, horizon (though didnt finish yet). My poorly thought opinion and preference on gaming apparently is lowly in your eyes. Thanks for the putdown on my enjoyment of games, classy. I haven't posted here in awhile and I know just now why a little more. Maybe somebody likes playing path of exile, Conan, and early access years in advance recently moreso. I hope all companies push each other at the end of the day. I'm feeling guilty for my poor selection of games I'm playing after work /s. What is going on in the game industry on a serious note. I've stopped reading news and now I hope the hobby I love doesn't turn disgustingly partisan as well. Enjoy your PS as I do mine.

[ILostMyMind]

This is not the right way to beg for PlayStation market.

[superchiller]

I checked this N4G preview page to see if my suspicion about the source was true, and it is confirmed. Another anti-Sony article from Gamingbolt, a website well known for its biased, anti-Sony garbage articles. People, don't give Gamingbolt the clicks, if you do you're just supporting more of their trolling articles. Just say NO to Trollingbolt!

[Malice-Flare]

sure you can do Game Previews on PSN: the term is "Demo" though...

[GamingCentaur]

Typical GamingBolt article. Sigh.

[guyman]

"There are many games that skip out on a release on the PS4 and go with an exclusive release on the Xbox One instead. These are all smaller games- titles for which extra sales that the PS4's larger install base might afford would be helpful. And yet, there are many that only release on Xbox One aynaya

Typical fanboy bullshi.. i find it very hard to believe this is the case.

[Elda]

This will not be missed.

[Fretboy79]

Guess they dont like money. Whatever