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Gran Turismo Sport fixes the series' racing - but at what cost? | EuroGamer

EuroGamer: "Such is the rub with Gran Turismo Sport, a game whose new focus brings about plenty of pleasant surprises, but which has also caused a fair number of casualties along the way. Whether that new emphasis makes up for all that's been lost remains to be seen - but it's certainly been fun playing a Gran Turismo that's got an all-new sense of purpose."

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AspiringProGenji2535d ago

I love the new direction. PD wants you to have an actual career on this game and compete with people worldwide. Le't hope the servers help the achieve this smoothly

Kribwalker2535d ago

i don’t like the idea you can’t progress your character if you aren’t online. it pretty much makes it an always online game, since anything else you do offline is useless

AspiringProGenji2535d ago

Excuse friend, but you need online for every MP game to progress your character and stats. You can always play campaign and arcade to get better at the game and be ready to compete online

Kribwalker2535d ago

you can’t progress your character at all. when the servers were down during the demo it said all you can do is arcade mode, it said you can’t even save
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i remember a lot of outcry when the last NFS was announced as always online, which this is essentially the same thing. what happens when the servers go offline?

AspiringProGenji2535d ago

Do you even read what you type? Oh so that is your intention all along; cry about people not complaining about online like they did NFS? Really?

Kribwalker2535d ago

it’s a legit concern. if i can’t move my player forward when its offline what happens in a couple years if the servers go down?

darthv722535d ago

Well isn't that the idea of earning points and improving your career? I mean you can't earn points if you simply race yourself. you can improve your skills but (like in real life racing) if you want to go up in class you need to go against other drivers in actual races.

Offline mode can be seen as just training. Lots and lots of training until you are ready to go against others around the world.

AspiringProGenji2534d ago

That is how it is supposed to be @darth. You can still earn milleage points, credits, and so on to get cars and and other stuff for online. It is obvious that you can’t earn ranks offline: what other game lets you earn online ranks without playing online?

The_Sage2534d ago

Come on Krib... You don't like the idea that it's on PlayStation.

Kribwalker2534d ago

“You can still earn milleage points, credits, and so on to get cars and and other stuff for online.”

that is part of your character progression, and it says your character wont progress if you aren’t online. all you get is arcade races, but it says it doesn’t progress

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AspiringProGenji2534d ago

I’ll have to test that myself then

Aenea2534d ago

Plenty of games that do the same thing, like Destiny for instance...

Kribwalker2534d ago

@aenea
so do other MMOs, but this is a racing game, not an mmo. you should be able to do arcade races (only a few options are available in the arcade mode offline and not all of it either) and unlock cars earn credits etc like that but you can’t if it’s offline

Xerneas2534d ago

@Kribwalker

"i remember a lot of outcry when the last NFS was announced as always online, which this is essentially the same thing. what happens when the servers go offline?"

Oh...BURN!!!!!

I even forgot about NFS. Seriously, screw this. Provide a proper SP campaign.

rainslacker2534d ago

I'm about as disappointed as i can be about there being no career mode, but this is pretty much an online only game. Progression of your "character" happens online so complaining about it doesn't mean much.

While I'm not a fan of no games, I don't complain that a game doesn't offer an offline mode as a reason to act concerned about a game, or try to paint others as hypocrites. If People want what gt used to be in the career modes, this game isn't for them. That's why I'm not buying it. But the devs.were open about what it would do, so it's easy enough take an informed decision

freshslicepizza2533d ago

This is a brilliant move. This way Sony can get even more Playstation Plus memeberships, especially in Japan where I imagine lots of PS4 owners don't have it. What better way than to use one of your biggest IP's and make it virtually an online only game.

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bluefox7552534d ago

I really like it too, I was honestly pretty skeptical early on, but after the demo my faith is restored. Game looks and plays fantastic.

frostypants2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

I might have to return to GT...been away a long time because it started to feel more about having lots of pretty cars than the racing. Ideally we'd have both, but if I had to choose, I'd always choose the focus on racing and online. I know it's not for everyone, but I personally almost never play racing games offline.

mcstorm2534d ago

I'm with you on this the only one I play offline is Forza due to Drivatars as it is like being online but I play all others online it is a lot more fun esp when you get good drivers and not people who cant drive or bump you off the track.

frostypants2534d ago

@mcstorm yeah, and GT's new system to encourage clean driving sounds pretty awesome.

AspiringProGenji2534d ago

so it is true that car manufactures don;t like damage models in racing games. Can people shut up and stop blaming the devs about that at last?

bloop2534d ago

@Aspiring: We hear this with every iteration of GT yet there's plenty of other racers with the same vehicle roster as GT that have full on damage models. Go figure.

AspiringProGenji2534d ago

Gran Turismo is the one which has the FIA license tho, there may be more pressure on them because of that. Besides the damage in other racins are not that big so I bet thet are also being limited witn that

bloop2534d ago

I don't see why having an FIA licence would restrict them from having a full damage model? They've been using this "deal" excuse since GT1. The damage in GT is miniscule compared to other racers. Even just taking PC2 for example, the cars can be completely wrecked cosmetically, compared to an odd dent and some scraped paint in GT. I fail to see how the car companies seem to have no problem with their cars getting wrecked in one franchise but not another. It doesn't make any sense.

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ludicrous2534d ago

I think the issue is GTs requires online to save your progress, this including single player "offline". So what happen if u r doing endurance race and u got disconnected? Seem like a very questionable design choice.

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DeadSilence2535d ago

Even EuroGamer impressed and compares GT with PC best ever sim? WOW PD WOOW

XStation4pio_Pro2534d ago

Did you read the whole thing?? Cuz they say it’s missing a lot and actually basically saying Gran Turismo is the last of the racing games to implement what pc racers were doing. It’s basically playing catch-up.

AspiringProGenji2534d ago

It also says this new direction is paying off for now. We will have to wait for the full version to see how it all ties together

SierraGuy2534d ago

Yeah Eurogamer give your head a shake. How much did MS pay you for this article?

ninsigma2535d ago

The beta is a joy to play. When shown they weren't going to have a proper offline campaign it was a no buy from me but I think I'll get it now!

2pacalypsenow2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

Unfortunately GT Sport is not for me, ill be sticking with GT6 or F7, until they release a new Gran Turismo with a full career mode like they have been since 1997.

Matrix62534d ago

Apart from GT6, there was always a smaller entry released before a numbered game. So, as tradition, we should expect a full game next.

goken2534d ago

i hope they have a full traditional GT game... but from what i read so far... PD seems to be indicating they have no plans. i that's not the case

SierraGuy2534d ago

Or an update that adds offline career mode...guys the full game hasn't even released yet.

Xerneas2534d ago

"until they release a new Gran Turismo with a full career mode like they have been since 1997."

Yes. This is one of the main features the series is popular for.

UCForce2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

It's seem they are very impressed by GT Sports. But I have to wait and see. Because GT Sports did lose some the old elements from old GT games.

Imalwaysright2534d ago

Elements? It lost its identity, lost what GT has always been about: singleplayer career mode.

UCForce2534d ago (Edited 2534d ago )

Like I said, it did casualty a lot of it and I do think it lost its identity. I did rewrite my mind about this 2 days ago. Sure, it will get low review than Forza Motorsport 7 because the lack of single player career mode, and do I think PD deserve to get criticized because of it ? Yes.

343_Guilty_Spark2534d ago

Didn’t sound like a glowing preview to me. Seems like an okay racer nonetheless.

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Gran Turismo Sport Has Been Delisted From PS Store

Sony Interactive Entertainment has delisted Gran Turismo Sport from the PlayStation Store as of January 1, 2024.

ApocalypseShadow259d ago

The great digital future. Where games vanish. The benefits of digital just aren't enough over physical to every buy in 100 percent. Especially when my Atari games still work and can be played to this day over 40 years later. Some of these digital games don't even last a whole generation.

purple101259d ago

But in this case everyone who has it still has it

And they unlocked single player to be allowed to progress offline

ApocalypseShadow257d ago (Edited 257d ago )

But in the case of others, they can no longer can buy it or any delisted game. Just like online only games that get their servers turned off and there's no update for offline with bots.

If you like the idea of any digital game being delisted where it's no longer available at all, then you and others are fools. What's all that presentation bullshit guys like you spew?

There should be no reason any digital game should be removed. Ever.

Bathyj257d ago

Apocalypse no one likes it. But let's be clear here.

If you own the game, you still own it. All that's happening here is they are stopped selling it.

Why? I have no clue. But it's the exact same thing if your local best buy isn't stocking the disc anymore and Sony aren't making any more. Same thing, just in the digital realm.

If you want to complain about servers for an online game being shut down, go ahead. But that's a separate topic and can happen to any online game even with a physical disc.

fan_of_gaming257d ago (Edited 257d ago )

@Bathyj "But it's the exact same thing if your local best buy isn't stocking the disc anymore and Sony aren't making any more. Same thing, just in the digital realm."

It isn't the exact same thing at all. When a game gets a physical release, it is always available even if big-box retailers aren't selling it new anymore. For example, I can go on eBay today and buy a new & sealed copy of Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron for PS3, because it once had a physical release. However I cannot buy a copy of Transformers: Fall Of Cybertron for PS4 today, because it had a digital-only release and was delisted.

If Gran Turismo Sport had a digital-only release, it would be unavailable for anyone to buy ever again. But because it had a physical release, in 5 years someone that wants to play it can still acquire it.

Cacabunga257d ago

People should stand against digitalization

purple101256d ago (Edited 256d ago )

I have only brought one or two digital games in my life
Everything I buy is physical

Often from eBay in perfect condition.
Sometimes from a online shop in uk such as

365games
Shopto.net
Simplygames
Base.com

All, who will ship disk to your door on day of release, cheaper than buying from digital store.

Then I either keep, lend, or sell. My choice

No where, did I say I support digital. And yet someone even called me a fool,
Haha
Totally misunderstood, some would say, he’s the fool

With GtSport It ISNT being taken away from anyone who already owns it. So this has all got out of hand with people not even reading the article

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DigitallyAfflicted257d ago

Maybe this will make people realise the future of digital-only games

purple101257d ago

This one won’t though
Because it’s not de-listed and taken away from you
It’s just not on sale anymore and the multiplayer will be shut down soon I reckon. It released 2017 so it’s had a fair run of 5 years online multiplayer lobbies

DigitallyAfflicted257d ago

@Purple, but it could be taken away, like p.t. Demo was, as well is taken away from anyone who didn't purchase GTsport in a digital form and yes I know we can still buy disc version and it's not a big of a deal.

My point is that you can't own something if it's not physical, with digital-only content you pay for the right to download and use and possibly in the future there will be some laws regulating you rights to it…

blackblades257d ago

I mean y'all been whining about that since the ps3 era. To this day im still able to play all the games I payed for.

ApocalypseShadow257d ago (Edited 257d ago )

It won't. Fools like purple think that just because they can still download it now, that it's safe. I've bought multiple games on console and mobile that are no longer downloadable or function. Because the game was either delisted or since it was connected to the Internet, no longer works because the servers were shut down turning those games into coasters. With no update to be able to play some games offline with bots. They're gone.

He won't get it or care until it happens to him and some of his games are delisted and removed or don't work any more even if he "bought it "

EvertonFC257d ago (Edited 257d ago )

If you don't keep your old consoles, your physical disk will be useless too. Do you think console hardware or disk drives will be around in 20 years. Good luck with that.
I'm not saying it's right btw, just pointing out to the physical crowd that digital and physical are very alike when it comes to actually being able to play the games in the future like 20 years time.
When I'm in my care home, I don't expect to be able to play my old digital or physical collection as consoles won't be around or disk drives for playstation.
Unless your keeping the old consoles safe in the attic over time, nobody will be playing there old physical game collections.

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EvertonFC257d ago

If you bought a physical launch day copy of GTS you still won't be able to download any of the updates in 20 years when servers are off.
Plus there will be no such thing as a disk drive or a hardware box for that matter in 20 years unless you keep your old consoles.
My point is sadly your physical or digital copy won't work.

Barlos257d ago (Edited 257d ago )

I see this as the digital equivalent of physical games going out of print. They don't continue to make copies forever, at some point they will stop making it, usually when sales dry up and I guess for GT sport that happened some time ago. Also, in the digital world, storage space is not infinite. If a game is no longer selling, why would they waste space on keeping it available?

For those that already own the digital version, they will still have access to it.

frostypants257d ago

I generally agree, but GT Sport is primarily an online game. They probably have some reluctance to deal with the blowback of selling an online-oriented game that may not have active servers much longer. Admittedly that's a whole other issue in itself.

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Father__Merrin257d ago

Online based titles like this I wouldn't expect to last forever as the game has been updated iterations as in gt7

Same with if FIFA 20 was delisted as example there's update to game. If something like Uncharted collection was delisted then that's something that's bad

Agent75257d ago

You pay stupid money for digital games and DLC, then it goes missing. Who's laughing?

shinoff2183257d ago

Physical games for yet another win.

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Gran Turismo Sport End of Online Services

On January 31, 2024, at 06:00 UTC, the online services of the PlayStation®4-exclusive software “Gran Turismo Sport” will come to an end.

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shadowT357d ago (Edited 357d ago )

Time to get a PS5! New PS5 owners in the USA can currently claim a game for free, but GT7 is not part of this promotion.

purple101356d ago

GT sport was good. Gt7 is better.

For someone who was crap at racers (and still is) and only played kart racers with powerups, I can say GT sport and gt7 balance SIM/ arcade racing to perfection. Easy enough for anyone to play and not crash but with enough depth to master for years.

Totally different to need for speed / Forza handling where the cars feel 'floaty'.

The dualsense is just supreme with gt7 toi

badz149356d ago

So...will they enable offline saves now or what?

VariantAEC351d ago

From Gran-Turismo.com (the article liked above): "All existing cars and personalized Car Settings kept in Garage will be accessible. Gameplay progression required as normal to unlock additional cars and items."

So... yes, as far as I can tell you'll still be able to use all your collected and purchased cars and race on all the tracks in the game and unlock ones you might not already have access to. That's what I'm getting from the post, but time will tell if this actually comes to pass February 1st, 2024.

Agent75356d ago

After Turismo 4 on the PS2, the series was never the same. Although Turismo 4 wasn't a finished game and didn't play as good as Turismo 3. Turismo 5 on PS3 was a mess, Turismo 6 was Turismo 5 finished. Sport on PS4 was another mess, especially VR mode. Sort of back on track with Turismo 7, but so tiring as with the Forza series. Anyone remember the PSP version that had no championship mode? Turismo has always been average at best.

OmegaSoldati356d ago

Thats why i dont like online only games. Cant believe this, this game sold so well. You need to be a fanboy to keep supporting Sony after this. Bought this thinking that it would take 10 years for this. I'm lucky that there are enough classics and single players for a life time.

VariantAEC351d ago

Looks like PD has the potential to set the bar for closing out always online games.
Back when GT Sport launched you couldn't do anything when you couldn't access the servers, but it looks like GT Sport will retain access to SP race modes, custom races, VR, your full garage, and all tracks. This is much more than what was available at launch if offline.

We still will lose custom liveries and race suits, which is nonsense, but hey if you share them online now they will be in the cloud and available to you in GT7 if you're interested. Basically, we lose MP, but players keep everything we earned and whatever was paid for.

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GranTurismo World Series 2022 | World Finals | Nations Cup | Regional Finals

30 of the world's top GT drivers arrive in Monaco after a highly competitive 2022 Series. They must now navigate a regional qualifying group featuring drivers from their home regions for a place at the Grand Final.
12 drivers from each respective group including the top three from Asia-Oceania, Americas, and Europe/Middle East/Africa groups, and the top three from the Repechage will qualify for the Grand Final.

Agent75356d ago

After Turismo 4 on the PS2, the series was never the same. Although Turismo 4 wasn't a finished game and didn't play as good as Turismo 3. Turismo 5 on PS3 was a mess, Turismo 6 was Turismo 5 finished. Sport on PS4 was another mess, especially VR mode. Sort of back on track with Turismo 7, but so tiring as with the Forza series. Anyone remember the PSP version that had no championship mode? Turismo has always been average at best.