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Talking About Indie Games At Shows No Longer Relevant, Says Sony’s Jim Ryan

Jim Ryan's larger sentiment makes sense. He said: You know, right now, we have tonnes of indie content on the platform. And the fact that we elected, along with many other things such as Gran Turismo and PlayLink, not to give it its own spot on the stage this week, in no way means it is not important, or it is not there, or we don’t worry about it. It was just good to talk about in 2013/2014. It is less relevant now. We have VR to talk about now, for example.”
He also talked about how indie game montages never actually do those games justice. “One of the things we have realized is that these video collages of ten indie games shown in a minute, is almost meaningless. Nobody can really learn anything about the games in that sort of time. It is almost viewed as wasted time.”

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NewMonday2561d ago (Edited 2561d ago )

"that these video collages of ten indie games shown in a minute, is almost meaningless. Nobody can really learn anything about the games in that sort of time"

can't see anything wrong here, batter to show enough or nothing at all.

ApocalypseShadow2561d ago (Edited 2561d ago )

already confirmed in the other article that it was taken out of context and posted on n4g by septic as a way to vilify Jim because of the article about phil being a villain.

Then, along comes gaming bolt to add nothing to the conversation. We know Sony likes indies and a variety of them. And now is turning to help VR get noticed and support it more to get it going.

Also in gamingbolts article,they give the impression that Sony was floundering when making games.when we know it's just longer development cycles for all systems.no need to mention that nonsense and give a choice about what reason it could have been on waiting for games when PS4 came out.

Sunny_D2561d ago

Anyone who says PS4 is anti-indie must be forgetting about the beginning of this gen when haters kept calling it the Indiestation. What, now you haters think indies are the best thing ever!!!???

Gazondaily2560d ago

"It was just good to talk about in 2013/2014. It is less relevant now. We have VR to talk about now, for example.”

You and your cohorts jumped down my throat for my article so you go on and explain what that quote above alludes to. Please go ahead.

And yes, the absolute double standard is absolutely hilarious. But go on please. Please explain.

NewMonday2560d ago

@Septic
Ryan is talking about the E3 presentation, you are spinning it into a platform policy, fact is PS4 still has more incoming Indy games including Sony published.

stormhawk2561d ago

maybe the got tired of people calling it the indiestation

Servbot412561d ago

He's right in that indies aren't worth mentioning during the E3 show; chances are they are playable on everything anyway and most people are sick of them by now.

VR isn't worth wasting their time though, until an actual, FULL game comes out besides Resident Evil 7. We're all sick of seeing jank tech demos and last gen ports.

The 10th Rider2561d ago (Edited 2561d ago )

Ori and the Will of the Wisps had one of the best trailers of the show. (It might not be the best game, but that trailer was incredible).

A Way Out was one of the highlights of EA's entire conference and it's from a small indie team.

They certainly shouldn't be the star of a show, but showing something like Ori or A Way Out is a great way of supplementing the rest of a conference.

_-EDMIX-_2561d ago

I mean I'm not entirely sure I would call those independent games, if you have a major publisher funding your entire project I'm not entirely sure that constitutes as independent.

I mean I actually think you're confusing the team being an independent team as in the team isn't owned with the actual game itself.

Insomniac is an independent team so is Spider-Man by default using your logic an independent game? So never mind that Sony is publishing and funding the project?

The 10th Rider2561d ago

@_-EDMIX-_,

Most people would still classify those as indies due to budget and scope. I suppose it's possible the second Ori game has been given a much larger budget, but we haven't seen much to know where they're going with it.

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I would say they have other ways to Market those games and that the time they have at least press events is getting shorter and shorter that I don't think it makes sense to Market some of those games if they don't already carry a large audience.

I think in the beginning of the generation it was important for both Publishers to show their support for independent games so people understand that both those platforms had a market for those developers but I don't really think that's something that needs to be restated every single press event.

They just don't have enough time to justify. What VR is very much worth it to be in this event because they're still trying to Market it. There were several full games that were shown at the event for VR.

Sunny_D2561d ago

So is Skyrim not a full game?

NotSoMad2561d ago

A GamingBolt article that doesn't make me regret reading it?

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PS5 Dominates, Sales Drop for All Consoles - Europe Hardware Estimates for May 2024

The PlayStation 5 was the best-selling console in Europe

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GaboonViper5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

PS5 = 300,126
Switch = 158,473
Xbox Series = 68,592

Brilliant sales for PS5 and Switch in her twilight years.
Utterly appalling sales for Xbox, my God.

Xeofate4h ago

Xbox Series X|S sales are down by 49,961 units (-42.1%) YoY.

neutralgamer19922h ago(Edited 2h ago)

It will also be interesting what a potential switch 2 will do to current generation consoles. That's why maybe there is the rumored PS5 Pro. I think MS should have released an updated version themselves especially when they are asking $600 for a 2TB version

Ms should just do their next Xbox as a open platform Pc and charge premium like steam deck. Just do Xbox brand PC's. Xbox as a brand is at its least valuable point. So many of their future games are coming to Playstation too I think once Phil finally decides on halo and gears flood gates will open. Just release a gear of war collection before the next one comes out. Your gamepass users are happy to have the games day one and other platforms pay full price so MS generates more money

mkis0072h ago

That is a rumor going around so maybe. It would make sense with their handheld rumors too.

Einhander19721h ago

"I think MS should have released an updated version themselves especially when they are asking $600 for a 2TB version"

The One X sold 6 million or less and the SX is way underperforming the the One by significant margins at this point. A mid gen xbox console would have absolutely been a money flush. Power is not going to sell consoles for them if a 40% advantage failed so badly. And their most popular console by far is the series s.

I would prefer if xbox stopped making xbox hardware and just became a publisher and stopped doing everything they can to make things worse for PlayStation gamers. I am so tired of the near daily B.S.

They started the console war from day 0 of xbox with the goal of bringing down PlayStation and it can't end until they leave. If there was no xbox people could actually talk about games again and not try to destroy anything that isn't on a platform.

Heck the whole reason we even have these articles about sales numbers is because Microsoft wanted to brag about the 360, no one talked about sales before that and no one wanted too except for Microsoft.

They simply aren't doing anything that is making gaming better for the consumer or the industry.

dveio4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

PS5 only 9% down year-on-year is arguably thanks to their recently released and well-received 2nd and 3rd party line-up.

• NSW down ~57%.
• X|S down ~43%.

Year-to-date, PS5 now has a 5.2:1 sales ratio compared to X|S in Europe.

That's boxslaugther.

S2Killinit2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

300 divided by 68 = 4.41 PS5 consoles are sold per 1 xbox.

O____0

Insane? Is this even possible?

Destiny10801h ago

i can understand nintendo sales declining because fans are holding out for the switch 2
i can understand playstation sales declining because fans are holding out for the PS5 Professional
i can understand xbox sales declining

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NVIDIA's Generative AI-Powered Modding Tool Is A Gamechanger For The Industry

The NVIDIA RTX Remix tool is redefining the gaming industry and the modding community in the best way possible.

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"NVIDIA's Generative AI-Powered Modding Tool Is A Gamechanger For The Industry"

True, the especially for all the industry that gets put out of work by it.

generic-user-name2d ago

Have you ever used a self service checkout in a store? Should we ditch alarm clocks so that we can hire people to shoot peas at our bedroom windows to wake us up like they did in the 1800s?

Einhander19722d ago

Working at a grocery store as a checkout clerk used to be a respectable job that could support a family.

romulus232d ago

I try to avoid them at all costs, why should we do a cashiers/clerks job without any training and without being paid for it? Comparing people losing their jobs to A.I. to people from the 1800's shooting peas is hilarious, good try though.

just_looken1d 15h ago

Gues you never saw the fast food joints that had ai everything even cooking was done by robots.

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Is PlayStation Skipping Big Shows A Mistake?

Is PlayStation making a mistake by skipping Gamescom and other huge events? We weigh in

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Obscure_Observer3d ago

"Nope"

That´s why you getting none. Keep on giving Sony a pass while real Playstation fans are giving them a hard time demanding better.

Cacabunga3d ago

Given the competition they have why should they waste money on them?

ChasterMies3d ago

PlayStation is the number 1 selling console. Sony’s marketing strategy is working. Also consider that Microsoft is now a 3rd party publisher. They will go where the other 3rd party publishers go. I’m sure you’ll eventually see Halo in a PlayStation State of Play.

JackBNimble3d ago

Yeah, why should sony waist money on the fans who keep propping them up no matter what?
Can you imagine if MS was software only, why would sony ever do shows?

northpaws3d ago

@Obscure_Observer

Out of all humans I know, you are the least qualified one to tell people to stop giving a company they support a pass.

Cacabunga3d ago

xbox is advertising PS games.

repsahj3d ago

Lol, as if you guys didn't give MS an unlimited pass for a very, very long time already.

MrBeatdown3d ago

Demanding better infomercials?

shinoff21833d ago

Did you have that same energy for Xbox when the droughted you guys for a decade plus? I doubt it

You are right though. Sony has got to give us some sort of gameplan, something, cause Concord, marathon, fairgames, ain't gonna cut it.

S2Killinit3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

@Obscure
You must have amnesia. Do you only remember the MS show and then assume that Sony must immediately respond? Why? Because MS showed a bunch of multiplatform games? Now, Sony must show too? Makes no sense.

Unlike MS, Sony has been releasing exclusive games all along. MS hasnt even released anything yet.

outsider16243d ago

"Keep on giving Sony a pass.."

Guys should we tell him?

BISHOP-BRASIL3d ago

I'm sorry, you expect us to demand better what exactly? Ads? Because you realize that's what these little presentations really are, right? They are a marketing tool, they don't determine what games we get or not, they are only one way of showing 'em off... Marketing is not the product, is what you gotta do to sell the product and, on that front, do you really think Sony is the one in need of your hot take there? Do you see any other console doing better?

Also, considering gaming companies already spend as much in marketing as they do actual development as it is, not making a bigger thing of these events than they absolutely need to be sounds like good business to me. The industry is suffering job cuts left and right, development costs are through the roof and you expect these companies to spend even more on marketing which produces literally nothing tangible for us costumers in the end? Talk about being tone deaf.

mkis0072d ago (Edited 2d ago )

What is worse is showing games that have no release dates. How many games coming out this and next year were announced 3 years or more ago?

If I had 1 console it would be playstation , the track record is unbroken and unsurpassed.

Zeref2d ago

@ChasterMies

Because console sales are just as important as having games to play? Lol

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S2Killinit3d ago

No because they can have their own shows. In fact, all platform holders abandoned “big shows” until recently that MS has decided to go back. Sony don’t have to follow.

But, I am expecting, and want Sony to show its hand sooner rather than later with a major showing.

porkChop3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

"In fact, all platform holders abandoned “big shows” until recently that MS has decided to go back"

No, they didn't. Sony and Nintendo, yes. Microsoft has consistently held big shows every year. Microsoft started hosting smaller Developer_Direct's but they didn't stop having big shows. They would sometimes skip a trade show here or there if they didn't have anything to show at that point, but they didn't just stop all big shows entirely.

StormSnooper3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

@porkchop
By “big show” you mean 3rd party conferences like E3, Gamescon, etc.

And yes they all abandoned them for the most part. MS was doing their own as well. Also, whether MS was present at “big shows”, they didn’t really make a splash or a big showing for the longest. All platforms sort of abandoned these expensive venues and went in-house for their conferences. Now, MS has decided to change that it seems.

Notellin2d ago

N4G and the Sony fanboys out in full force today. There isn't a single decent argument down in these comments, just fanboy drivel.

purple1013d ago

Hmm well for all the talk in these forums, Sony sure does seem like they know what they’re doing

VenomUK3d ago

‘Is PlayStation Skipping Big Shows A Mistake?’

As hardcore gamers we miss the big shows, but it hasn’t stopped the PS5 sales success. Hosting shows is not a guarantee of success just ask Microsoft.

Lightning773d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Unless you just sit on here or Twitter playing sales or worried about sales instead of playin games then have fun.

I never expected Sony to show up as they stop going 5 years now but there's a few ways of looking at it.

1 it is frustrating to see Sony not get ppl hyped and excited for its console with a road map. Makes sense.

2 when MS wouldn't show up to Gamescom or TGS sucked at E3 is because they simply didn't have studios to show at any event through out the year. It's not a studio problem for Sony clearly, Hiroki has been transparent and said he's internally delayed their big games to ensure quality. It's as simple as that. Naturally that means we have to wait.

I'm gonna say the same thing I said with Xbox back then, 3rd party rules, nobody will be bored this holiday to next year because most will be playin 3rd party anyway, unless all you do is sweat about exclusives and that's all you play, yeah you're gonna get bored.

Point is, my second summary outweighs my first thought. They're cooking you simply have to wait come SGF next year, I think we'll be blown away.

Rude-ro2d ago

As hardcore gamers, the mass majority of us saw these shows via streams or a show.

It is a marketing money dump.
That is it.
Do you need to hear an audience react to what you are seeing?

Besides costing Sony a lot of money, the amount leaks attributed to these shows were out of control and ruining all the money dumped into these shows.

Microsoft has been in shows for how long?
Making zero new AAA games.
Lying with scripted demos.
Lying with pc buffed versions of their console games.
Lying about games coming.
Etc etc etc
And yet are still in gaming.
Shows have zero effects.
Positively or negatively to the hardcore gamers.

isarai3d ago

I mean if they have nothing to show then they have nothing to show. I wish they did have something to show but if they don't why would they attend a Big show? 🤷‍♂️

dumahim3d ago

They have stuff they can show, they just chose not to.

NotoriousWhiz3d ago

No point in showing stuff that's 12+ months out. Wait until it's closer to release.

rakentaja2d ago

They didn't even have anything to show for State of Play and Gamescom is a BIG event.

isarai2d ago

Not saying it isn't frustrating in fact I've been a forerunner on this site complaining that they're taking forever and questioning why that is. But the fact still stands if they don't then they don't. I mean I highly doubt they're just sitting on completely finished games and trailers to show and just choosing not to show it. If they haven't shown it, It's obviously because it's not in a finished enough state to show.

Relientk773d ago

Same articles different year lol

CrashMania3d ago

I miss Sony presence at big shows, but they've been doing this for years and been doing fine without them.

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