Tekken 7's Cross-Play May Be Hindered by PC Gamers' Reputation as Cheaters, Says Harada

Harada said that, even though he doesn't share this opinion, Tekken 7's cross-play may be hindered by the community's perception of PC gamers being cheaters.

[BartMoons]

Wonder what Pachter would think of this, but seriously this is troublesome.

[Festano]

On one hand, it is true that there is more cheating on PC simply due to the vastly superior hacking possibilities in respect to consoles.
On the other hand, they could just implement a strong anti-cheat solution.

[BG11579]

Anti-cheat solution? It doesn't matter how strong the defense is, there is always going to be someone to overcome that defense. That's the PC world for you...

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

There are so many anti cheat engines around. It's a development problem if they don't want to manage their community.

[ZeroX9876]

There's no sure way to safeguard a game on PC that's for sure, but the Ban Hammer usually comes quick.

There's still some bots on SFV PC online up to this day though...

[NecoTehSergal]

'Strong anti-cheat solution'.

I was in the BF1 Beta, and after 1 day there was already hackers everywhere -_-.

There's no such thing as a strong anti-cheat solution, and most companies don't put much an effort for prevention, but rather, Detection. The question then is, how long will it take the company to detect? I know some people who've had Radar hacks on CSGO for Steam for Years without being caught by VAC yet. It's frustrating, but reality.

[donthate]

PC definitely has more cheating, but there is no reason for lack of cross play between consoles. That is Sony's fault!

http://segmentnext.com/2016...

[ravinash]

Overwatch has been handling the cheaters well so far.
So much so that when the cheaters get banned for life, they then resort to Denial of service attacks because their such sore losers.

[sdcard4gb]

Who cares what Pachter will say ?

[miyamoto]

Ooooooh that comment from Harada san is gonna rustle some feathers.

[Spyroo]

Its true though as expected of a open platform and thus of course not immune to consequences such as these

[Garethvk]

I am so over fighting games.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

k

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Ok.

[Red_Renegade]

maybe you are, but i'm not. not an expert, but i love to play for fun.

[Black0ut]

Not for everyone I guess... I can't wait for Tekken tho, this franchise is one of my favourite fighters by far.

[TheColbertinator]

I hope you avoid reviewing fighting games in the future,Gareth.

[Utalkin2me]

@Garethvk

You're so over fighting games, you came into a fighting game article to post....That will show how over them i am.....

[Hoffmann]

Buying it on day 1. Tekken Tag 2 on PS3 still has more players than probably even MKX or SFV on PC.

[boing1]

They should remaster TTT2 for current-gen. As far as fighting games go, TTT2 is perfection IMHO.
They obviously won't though, as this would hinder T7 sales probably.

[Chris_Wray]

Utter rubbish. Yes, PC's do allow for more options in cheating but there's zero reason that should impact on cross play. Just put in a good security system and you'll be fine. The games that are well maintained and looked after properly don't suffer from a big problem with cheaters.

[Imp0ssibl3]

I guess they don't want to spend money on an anti-cheating system and it's easier to just blame PC.

[Angeljuice]

Keep them quarantined so they don't infect the rest of gaming.

The PC Elitist Cheatists have to appear superior even if it requires destroying their own online games to do so. That's not really a mentality that I want in gaming.

[Spyroo]

There are ALWAYS ways to bypass anti cheat one way or another you cannot stop all hacks, cheats

[abstractel]

Gamers also realize that anti-cheat systems take time, which equals money, to develop right? You can see where he's coming from. I want cross-play, and I am getting Tekken 7 on PC but the point is still valid. Having said that, SFV isn't plagued too bad and I really enjoy its modding community.

[Igihara]

Tell that to the SFV bots on PC. Which is why tournaments prefer if you play on console.

[thatguyhayat]

Ive come across few bots on the rank games. Pissed me off when I won and got no points

[SilverDemon]

No Matter how good the anti-cheat system it will be cracked on pc (on of the reasons i don't play souls games on pc)

Just look at the division and bf1 , they were hacked during the beta (so freaking fast)
Sfv is full of bots

And devs cant keep patching a game for ever they need to leave it and work on the next game

[Nathan_Hale53]

I have yet to see a cheater on the hundreds of hours I have put on Dark Souls 1 and haven't seen one in Dark Souls 3 myself.

[sullynathan]

@Nathan you're lying. Dark souls 1 pvp on pc is a hacker fest right now and I've put close to 300 hours in it. Since it is no longer being moderated, hackers roam freely.

Dark souls 3 had a couple hackers back when I played it but they cracked down on them better than DS1. It was so bad at one point in which people were getting banned because they ran into cheaters.

[Nathan_Hale53]

I have no reason to lie. I have never seen it, but I don't actively participate in PVP, yet all of the invaders I have seen were not hacking from what I can tell.

[sullynathan]

Right, you don't even participate in multiplayer yet you want to claim there are no hackers in multiplayer.

[Red_Renegade]

honestly, your comment sounds more like rubbish. people find a way around security, always. and of course the idea of cheaters on pc affecting console gamers is an issue. don't be silly.

[Chris_Wray]

Yes, they find their way around security. Then as I specifically said in my comment, a good developer will maintain their game and then block this off. I've played tens of thousands of hours of games online and I know that less than 50 of those hours were impacted by cheaters.

So no, if you genuinely think that cheaters can't be stopped, and quickly, then you need to look into it and see how little cheating really does go on when a developer genuinely cares about the online community and keeping it clean.

[TheGamingArt]

@Chris_Wray, wtf are you talking about? "A good developer will maintain their game and then block this off". Do you know anything about development.... because this isn't how that works ... at all... lol. A developer can only do so much to fend off cheaters and so on, but mind you... only so much. There are inherit limitations to the codebase, server capabilities, and encryption methodologies. That ignores the unpredictable, budget, and priorities. I'm not sure you even remotely realize how ignorant that statement is.

[Nathan_Hale53]

They really don't have much issue. Anti-cheat isn't too hard to implement. I have never experienced cheating on PC on any recent game and only dead/dying games really have cheaters. Consoles just look for excuse to bash PC's anymore. Looking at your downvotes really proves so, since your claims are facts.

[TheGamingArt]

"Anti-cheat isn't too hard to implement." Where are your facts to back this up? Are you a developer who's implemented this before successfully? This isn't a no brainer lets just add this defined simple solution and everything works scenario. That's insanely ignorant of you and is factually an incorrect statement on all fronts.

Oh, and talk to anyone who programs and/or works in IT/Security/Network Administration to back up what I'm noting (heck, google security in video games to make it simple: http://www.alanzucconi.com/... What you're stating is ignorant and you should educate yourself before assuming something is exceptionally simple when it's not only extremely difficult, but it's a huge investment that's unjustified (in most cases) in return value.

[Nathan_Hale53]

It isn't though. It is a separate program installed into the game. A very popular anti-cheat program is PunkBuster and it is rather effective. You are calling me ignorant when it is true, it really is not that hard to implement one and I have never said it to be "exceptionally" easy. A large company though, can rather easily install a anti-cheat program. You linked me a dead link about a mediocre gaming engine that no large company will use. Oh, I am majoring in Computer Science btw being a sophmore in college.

[TheGamingArt]

@Nathan_Hale53, that's cute that you're majoring in CS. I've worked in the field for years XD and graduated with a CS degree years ago (likely have work on things you've used at least once). I'd like to point out you have a loonnnggg way to go and it's fairly obvious you lack experience by your statements. You're statements don't indicate any experience or in depth knowledge in the field. Knowing a binary sort algorithm does not equate to building and deploying a functional product.

Anywho, word to the wise, don't flaunt you're inexperience in something like this and don't mistake education for experience. It's like watching Trump in a political debate. Remember that you probably have no idea to whom you're addressing either. The link above isn't dead and was an example of how easy it is to bypass security, that doesn't change with age.

[TheGamingArt]

How is it rubbish, you introduce an open ended system into a closed system environment and that's quite literally asking for trouble. Contrary to your belief, people aren't all in a "for the people" mindset. I, personally, never want to see that bridge crossed. Cross platform between console is fantastic, between computers and consoles... not so much.

[hiredhelp]

(community's perception) keywords

[Festano]

Yeah, but if he reported that perception it means that the team is somehow taking into account. Otherwise I don't think he would've even mentioned it...

[S-Word]

That's just his way of saying his team don't have the talent to actually do cross-play, he just doesn't want to admit it. There has been no problems with SFV on PS4 & PC. They even give you the OPTION of playing someone of a different platform or not.

[sdcard4gb]

A very true issue... I will buy Tekken 7 on PC, I DREAMED for Tekken to come on PC since the 2000s. This is just a dream come true for us PC 90's kids :)

[KwietStorm_BLM]

lol this headline is going to cause a nuclear explosion on every gaming site on the world wide web.

[sk8ofmnd]

You dirty rotten cheaters 😼

[hirobrotagonist]

only because it's easier to cheat on pc....and seriously pc gamers that cheat in multiplayer are the scum of the earth

[Nathan_Hale53]

Which are very few anyway. People act like it is a majority when it isn't.

[PhoenixUp]

That didn't stop Street Fighter V from having the feature, so it shouldn't be that big an issue with Tekken 7

[cd1]

At least this decision won't effect all PC gamers - those PCMR lot are quite used to only playing with themselves...you'll go blind you know! :D

[TheDankLord]

Just do what overwatch did. No warnings, account perma banned on the first offense. Haven't found a single hacker on overwatch to date.

[SilverDemon]

Blizzard plans to support overwatch for years to come through microtransaction
So they can jeep looking for cheaters and hackers

Other devs can't keep supporting a game for ever if there's no money in it so the move to the next project

I don't want to see more games to take overwatch business model(full price+Microtransactions) so I understand stand why the won't do cross play

[TheDankLord]

IMO the overwatch model is far better than the cod or battlefield season pass models. Those micro transactions have absolutely no impact on gameplay whatsoever so they are completely optional. This likely won't have a server browser so they can moderate those servers without an expensive anti cheat

[SilverDemon]

Overwatch had very limited maps, game modes(only2), characters, no single player, only 6v6 mode and charged for full price

I don't want to see barebone games for full price

Or even worse, getting half of the game with the promise of the rest coming later (like overwatch)

[quent]

Oh nooooo pc gaming, what ever can be done to fight the scourge of cheaters and pirates, they've ended it all, guess I'll have to get my diablo 3 fix on console from now on :(

[ccgr]

PC always has an advantage with mods, better hardware, and better performance and those have nothing to do with cheating

[Angeljuice]

That's not the point at all though. PC games can often have their online modes destroyed by cheating (as in not worth playing at all).
Performance can be locked/adjusted between platforms but cheating kills games completely.

[SilverDemon]

Go Play dark souls on pc and see for yourself

[Nathan_Hale53]

I do and have and it really is uncommon now on 3 and I have yet to see one on it or Dark Souls 1.

[mogwaii]

This is why they shouldnt have cross play.

[mysteryraz11]

Pretty much

[Nathan_Hale53]

It isn't near as bad as people think it is. I have only ever seen cheaters on a dead or dying game, such as CoD WaW or CoD 4. I have never experienced one on Dark Souls 1 or 3 or BF4.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

One of the highest ranked players on SFV is a tool assisted bot called RZR_INFILTATION. lol

[Duoma]

Kind of don't blame this line of thinking. I mean honestly it was cheaters that helped run the division into the ground aside from the bugs and other issues.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

I would say Massives abysmal support and the buggy state of division is what ruined it. Not cheaters. Game is equally broken on consoles too.

[Duoma]

Please don't take my comment out of context, I said it helped run the game into the ground not that it was the sole reason. Any person who spent any amount of time on gamefaqs, reddit or official division forums knows that the complaints about PC cheating being part of what ruined the game is fact.

[sullynathan]

There is no sure fire anti cheat method on pc, cheaters still get through the cracks and even put up tutorials on how to do so on YouTube. At best, they can just implement cross play and hope for the best.

[Artemidorus]

Cut PC gamers away from it

[andrewsquall]

And Harada would know since he is a big PC gamer.

[InTheZoneAC]

one key reason why I don't game on pc, stupid bs you don't have to worry about on consoles

[Nathan_Hale53]

I really don't get why people are agreeing when 90% of you probably never have played on PC for more than an hour.