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Why Isn't Online Free for Consoles?

— Playstation Enthusiast:

Online play became a thing in the console world all the way back in the 6th generation. Both the original Xbox and PlayStation 2 had online capabilities, and it quickly became a very popular and appreciated feature. In fact, the real pioneer of online-capable consoles is actually SEGA's Dreamcast, which featured a built-in Ethernet port. So yes, we've been playing online on consoles for a very long time now. Before, it was great, but now, it's kind of a bother—if you want it, you're going to have to pay for it. You can thank Microsoft for that. But, why? Why is it a paid service?

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jholden32493170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

Preach it.

I'll never pay for PS+ or Xbox Live again. And if my brother gets me another year of each for Christmas I'll sell them on eBay. I put 1000 hours into Monster Hunter online, and haven't paid one red cent for it, as it should be. I'll keep my online gaming on consoles that don't charge me for it.

As for PS4 and X1, it's offline single player games only. And if the game forces an online connection for single player I won't buy it. Just out of principle.

ShadowKnight3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

The only thing I'm paying for is Origin access for PC atm. I just hope Star Citizen developers don't make us pay for a subscription

TheOptimist3169d ago

They won't lol..... They PC gamers will revolt lol

Shubhendu_Singh3169d ago (Edited 3169d ago )

They could. I don't follow Star Citizen that closely but as it is pretty close to be a Space-MMO like EVEOnline, I think it will have a subscription fee. (idk)

Anyway, That Star Citizen Gamescom gameplay blew me away. Seriously mindblowing stuff they have got.

@TheOptimist :
Subscription based MMOs are a thing man. WoW, FF14, EveOnline etc says hello.

ShadowKnight3168d ago

I've been waiting for Star Citizen forever. I can't wait for it

Muzikguy3170d ago

I have a Plus subscription right now but when it runs out I'm not buying again. It's not because the price went up due to "market factors". I just haven't been playing online like previous years. I'm not sure why that is. Maybe I'm starting to get tired of games like cod and battlefield and killzone. I wasn't happy with the last Rainbow Six game either. They give us the free games and I haven't been playing them either. Some are ok but most are not. (IMO)

Night993169d ago (Edited 3169d ago )

Don't be dumb if you ever feel like you want to play onlinemultiplayer games like this again than don't play them on console, play them on PC for free it is as easy like this don't let greedy corporates charge you for things you already payed for with the games price.

EazyC3170d ago

I wish everyone thought like you, maybe then we wouldn't be f*cked over again and again.

_-EDMIX-_3170d ago

No.

I wish everybody the free will to like what they like and buy what they want to buy. Feeling animosity because of jealousy is not going to help your situation. I see no reason to get upset at others having the funds to purchase what they want...

Seems petty and childish.

neutralgamer19923170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

jholden3249

not calling you a liar but many people claim many things on the internet only to do exactly the opposite

people knew what they were getting into when they bought ps4 and xbox one. and the only reason Nintendo doesn't charge because well nintendo home consoles stink when it comes to sales and 3rd party support(besides the once in a lifetime gimmick known as wii) you mean to tell me if NX is a huge success than nintendo will say no to hundreds of millions of dollars? come on gamers can't be that naive

when claims like xbox live is the best service ever were being made what did you all think would happen? one company starts it and than everyone just follow

MetalGearsofWar3169d ago

By that logic the Wii U should have paid online when it first released.

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I_am_Batman3169d ago

I've had a PS+ subscription even before online gaming was part of it. I mainly subscribed for the monthly PS+ games. With that being said I hate the fact that online is part of it as it forces many people to subscribe. I never was much of an online multiplayer gamer and I'm personally not affected by it because I'd keep my subscription even if online was free but I'm starting to get annoyed by the fact that even though Sony has been collecting huge amounts of money since this gen started they don't seem to reinvest much of it into improving the Playstation Store which still lacks basic features like a proper wishlist implementation, a better search algorithm, and a better structure in general.

Night993169d ago

Yes this is just like me, I never will pay for online multiplayer. I don 't pay for a thing that can easily be provided for free as we see on PC and as we even saw on consoles for PS3 or WiiU I am not one of this dumb fools who easily accept fees with no reason or justification for them to exist, the fools who pay them are the only reason why this fees exist.

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ninsigma3170d ago

Because they're closed systems with companies who want as much money as they can get owning them. It would be impossible to put paid online on PC as pc is not owned by any one company. If one eere to try it theres too much free competetion. One company tried to do it (MS) and look how that turned out.

ShadowKnight3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

Preach the truth 🙌🙌🙌 🙌

nub_cakes1013170d ago

It would be impossible to put paid online on pc? What about world of warcraft? You still have to pay $15 a month for that and it looks like a ps2 game

Lon3wolf3170d ago

But WoW isn't the only online game, not sure why you are bringing that in, it's a completely optional thing. Paying for console online play is not.

ShadowKnight3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

@Lon3wolf I know right. I'm still wondering why he brought that up 🤔

ninsigma3170d ago

Mmo would be the exception where the dev/pub is charging a subscription fee for access to the content of that particular game. Charging a subscription to have access to online play for ALL games however is a different thing entirely.

Muzikguy3170d ago

Yes, having a subscription to play one game (MMO) will most likely continue. I don't buy those. I just can't justify spending hundreds of dollars on a single game. I think back on games like Diablo2. I know that's not an MMO, but this is just an example. I played that game for 4 years. Had a game like that costed $15/month, that would be $720! Then add in the expansions and you're looking at $900. If any game ever costed me that I probably wouldn't be playing games right now

wannabe gamer3170d ago

thats 1 game and thats paid for by the devs of said game. its not an ENTIRE network of games like on console as is being discussed. a wow comparison only works if wow is the only online game for pc

_-EDMIX-_3170d ago

I love how your example is an individual game yet the irony is you fail to even see what's wrong with what you posted..

LMFAO!

KTF263169d ago

WoW you pay for the game
PS4 and Xbox you pay for service from the console maker to play online games from different publishers

Seafort3169d ago

Well Guild Wars 2 is an MMO and there is no monthly fees for it. It depends on the game whether they charge you a subscription to play their game or not on PC. Most recent MMOs on PC these days have stayed away from subs and gone the cosmetic items and cash shop (bank + inventory slots, xp boost etc) microtransactions route and it seems to work out better for everyone.

Just need to watch out for P2W features being sold.

No one will ever charge for PC online gaming as there isn't a single access point like on consoles with PSN and Xbox Live.

There are many varied stores and online hubs which all have their own policies and games and none of them will ever charge for online (except some MMOs).

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conanlifts3170d ago

Steam...

If they wanted paid online services on pc they could easily do it through steam. That would amount for the vast majority of games being online through subscription.

Having said this they shouldn't do it and i would hate it.

CrimzonRazor3170d ago

they could easly do it on windows pc dont think for a sec they cant they dont because the fear of backlash, but from a programing stand point not hard to do and I wont be shocked one day when they do.

ninsigma3169d ago

Which is why I said there's too much free competition for it to work. Gamers have tonnes of places to go if something like steam were to require a subscription.

nitus103169d ago (Edited 3169d ago )

If you have a Microsoft operating system then Microsoft effectively owns you. Why do you think there was a huge push by Microsoft to get all Windows 7 and 8 users to upgrade to Windows 10 (for free??) which just so happens to have DirectX12 which effectively locks all games that use it to Windows 10.

Do you honestly think that Microsoft won't still push Windows 7 and 8 users to Windows 10 by more surreptitious means?

Fortunately, PC hardware is not owned by one company since you can pick and choose. In addition PC architecture is fairly flexible since it is possible to install other operating systems such as FreeBSD and Linux. Granted gaming under Linux is not as extensive as under Windows but it is slowly getting there. in some respect having the ability to switch to an alternative operating system such as a Linux distribution is currently keeping Microsoft reasonably honest.

I am well aware of "Unified Extensible Firmware Interface" (UEFI) which Microsoft is actively pushing, however many of the more popular Linux distributions have UEFI certification which prevents Microsoft from locking out those operating systems.

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phoenixwing3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

It's because Microsoft introduced the idea with the 360. When Microsoft succeeded without much backlash Sony followed suit. I don't pay for online access so I just play rpg's and single player games. Although if Nintendo doesn't charge for online with the NX i may just buy their console.

Edit: I didn't have a original xbox so i didn't know that is when it started. Thanks for the correction. I'll leave my mistake so the people below me don't look like they're talking about nothing. I currently game on my ps4 but again that's to play single player games and jrpgs.

XtraTrstrL3170d ago

Xbox Live actually started on the original Xbox. I begrudgingly got a few months of it so I could play Capcom vs SNK 2:EO back in early '03, when Xbox Live launched. Before Live launched, Silver was suppose to allow free online play, while Gold was suppose to offer all the discounts, special tournament stuff, free games, etc. Then, as it got closer to launching, they switched it to saying Silver would allow for free online on the weekends only. Then, by the time it launched, Silver was worthless, and Gold didn't have to offer any of the benefits they promised before, because they just paywalled online behind it.

I'm very happy I built a gaming PC a few months ago, I haven't touched my PS4 since. I didn't plan on renewing my PS+ sub either, the $10 increase just solidifies it. Now, for M$ to just realize their Windows Store/Win10/UWP exclusivity for their 1st party AAAs just isn't ready, and to release Gears:UE and GOW4 on Steam with Win7-8/DX11 support in the same manner Quantum Break is being handled next month. I'd really like to play GOW4, but I refuse to pay $60 for a game that's non-crossplay competitive multiplayer will be dead a few months post-launch, like UE.

ShadowKnight3170d ago

What GPU do you have if you don't mind me asking? I'm curious to see how GOW 4 turns out on PC

XtraTrstrL3170d ago

@ShadowKnight
I got the Gigabyte GTX 1070 G1 Gaming.

ShadowKnight3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

Awesome card especially for the price🙌🙌 👍

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XtraTrstrL3170d ago

@ShadowKnight
Yeah, I'm happy with it. I got a "used-like new" 980ti when I built the PC in April, but when the 1080 and 1070 were coming out, prices were less than I expected for them, so I asked Amazon for early return credit for the 980ti. I was gonna get a 1080, but I game at 1080p, so figured it was overkill, and just waited for the 1070 and traded the 980ti out for it and returned the 980ti to Amazon. I saved $120(would be around $220 if the 980ti was new) and got a slightly more powerful card that uses way less wattage and has newer tech and 2GB more Vram, can't complain.

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Vegamyster3170d ago

They introduced it with the original Xbox, not the 360. That said i wouldn't consider that an excuse, people were too busy celebrating that the PS4 was able to play used games, $100 cheaper and didn't require online like the Xone did originally to care about the fee.

Kingthrash3603170d ago

People cared and there were articles on it....but why is this now a thing when it's been happening for a while now? Even worse MS was charging to use paid apps like netflix.
Charging for online is BS. What they should do is charge for the monthly games. Give online free.

Vegamyster3170d ago

Obviously people cared but not enough did, here is the main article from 3 years ago.

http://n4g.com/news/1278035...

You have the odd person who's not happy but for the most part didn't people don't care.

rainslacker3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

Sony was pretty crafty to slip it in there after the announcement of no DRM. While everyone was applauding, they had a slide to go over some other stuff, with it nestled in there somewhere.

They didn't hide it, but it probably did become a lesser of two evils kind of thing.

most of the defense came in the form of the value of PS+ at the time though, which had remarkable offerings on the PS3, Vita, PSP, and PS1 classics. I defended it on that premise, and even now, the paid online doesn't really effect me, because I don't really play online. Things change though, and with the lackluster offerings of PS+ for the most part, it gets harder to really say it's worth it for that, and since I don't care about online, it isn't worth as much to keep around.

Wouldn't say that it went unnoticed or uncriticized, just that people were more wound up in other issues like MS DRM and online policies. It got a fair amount of criticism, but nothing that you'd expect from a typical console war debate where reactions tend to be very high, and extremely hypocritical from both sides to varying degrees.

Anyhow, I'm not sure most people would be really disgruntled by the thought of paying. It's been accepted on Xbox for a while now, and seems Sony subs are going up. While it sucks, those people who don't support it still make up a fairly small percentage of the user base and I'd imagine most people that don't pay for it aren't refraining due to principal....but rather no desire to play online, no internet, or just not wanting to pay for something they feel no worth from.

Hoffmann3170d ago

DLC as mainstream trend
Monthly costs for online

Yeah..Microsoft is really an awesome company.

Segata3170d ago

Actually X-band introduced it on SNES and Genesis. XBL also came after SEGANET.

_-EDMIX-_3170d ago

Not necessarily even before Microsoft was charging you still had individual companies on PC charging for the online or servers of their specific subscription-based games.

Microsoft was merely adopting the same strategy for the servers that they're using for Xbox Live.

Reality is you're talking about a company that's keeping servers open for a service that they're going to charge you for what they're doing actually isn't any different than what any company was doing on PC with individual games.

The same reason why a company was charging for subscription is actually the exact same reason why Microsoft was charging for theirs on Xbox Live.

I'd actually say the free online provided by Sony in Nintendo was the exception. At the time they were at the bottom. The reality is someone needs to pay for the maintenance of those servers and as the company continues to grow and the installed base of users continues to grow they could not keep not gaining funds to take care of an ever-growing service.

Many people need to consider the servers that has PlayStation Network and Xbox Live are not free, it costs money to keep those up and running correctly. Microsoft just had the clairvoyance to be up front about these costs from the day of Xbox Live's infancy.

Shubhendu_Singh3169d ago

Microsoft created this DISEASE.
Sony caught this DISEASE.

And now way in hell they would leave all that free money lying around.

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quent3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

A lot of console owners would rather redirect blame to the competition to why they "have" to pay for an online service, when both companies are at fault, why not stand together on both fronts and sign a online petition to why online play shouldn't be mandatory for content that's including as part of your purchase, instead of pointing finger and casting blame back and forth, that will never solve anything, except create more flame wars between console owners, to why they're system of choice is better then the one they don't own.

A vicious circle that favors capitalism extremely well when it comes to selling consoles.

Summons753170d ago

Oh look another "I want all the perks that cost money to make and maintain and I want it all for free" article. It always amazes me how many entitled brats each new generation of gaming brings out.

ShaunCameron3170d ago

That's pretty much all it comes down to.

Imalwaysright3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

So how do you explain free online play on the PC and Wii U? Why is it possible for PC gamers to play the same exact games that PS4 and Xbox gamers are playing, for free while console gamers have to pay to play them?

Also, do Sony and MS provide servers for every game that is released on their platforms or are 3rd party publishers/devs providing and maintaining their own servers at no extra cost?

Lack of standards is why this industry has been going down the drain since the PS2 era ended.

Summons753170d ago

Well when I can get the 3rd party chat options on PS4/XBO for free we will have this discussion. Everything that Sony and MS need to specially create for their systems are on PC by third party companies. Not to mention last I checked PC doesn't give games away for free besides the free shovel ware that generally gets released on consoles too. It costs money for Sony and MS to get the rights for the monthly games since they give the devs a large lump sum to offset the potential loss they could have with the amount of downloads. You want to continue to get free games then guess what that costs money.

But no, let's continue to whine and cry until we get everything for free and drive the whole industry into oblivion.

Vegamyster3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

@Summons75

I don't recall people saying they want to both free online and games, example being PS+ was originally a paid service for those that wanted monthly games, nobody had an issue with that for the simple reason it was optional. To add to this PSN made more money than all of Nintendo's profits, these games that they offer aren't "freebies", there is a difference between a good deal (subjective) and free. http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Vegamyster3170d ago (Edited 3170d ago )

Entitled brats from the new generations? Last i checked a lot of old games had free online and devs back then on PC would give away free content like maps to the players before DLC became the norm or had mod support. The only ones that didn't were MMO's & consoles with odd side services like the N64DD with Randnet which most people don't know exist. It's also not like all games use Sony & Microsoft's servers, explain why you should have to pay a fee to them to play on other devs servers?

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Vegamyster3170d ago

@Cobra951

You are missing my point.

sampson31213170d ago

if a game is online only it shouldn't have a pay wall.

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50 Best SNES Games of All Time

Cultured Vultures: You love the SNES, we love the SNES, so let’s look at the best SNES games ever together.

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FTLmaster1d 16h ago

Uniracers (aka Unirally in the UK) is a low-key classic SNES game

PRIMORDUS1d 4h ago

I loved Actraiser, the music really showed what the SNES can do.

GhostScholar1d ago

I’m sorry but pilot wings should be way higher than 50

Agent7510h ago

UN Squadron, Stunt Race FX, Top Gear 2, Nigel Mansell F1, Rock 'n' Roll Racing, Adam's Family, Super Probotector. Top 3 for me, Mario Kart, Legend of the Mystical Ninja and Mario World. It kills me that the Mega Drive and Super Nintendo generation has gone. Going from a Commodore 64 to a Mega Drive and Super Nintendo, the much higher costs of games, I couldn't play them all.

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Former Santa Monica Studio Writer Shares Insight On The Game Industry: “It’s Not Great”

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Goodguy012d ago

AAA has gone downhill as they focus on huge profits. Indie and other smaller games however have been amazing not chasing trends and the next big thing.

Redemption-641d 7h ago

In all honesty, a significant majority of indies and smaller games fail. At best a you might hear about 10-20 indies that get attention or do well, but 100s more fail. AAA games can still be the bread and butter of the industry, but greedy executives would kill a good game if it doesn't make them a lot of money

Cacabunga19h ago

I don’t game much anymore as i used to. Last big game i played was Stellar Blade. Almost didn’t touch the console since.
I don’t have much backlog for the first time in a long time. Maybe others enjoy what’s coming, but I’m losing feeling a little

Ethereal1d 11h ago

Nail on the head. AAA has lost the magic and focused on profits and "player engagement". Gaming is an art form, and like always the CEO fat cats roll in to capitalize at the cost of innovation, passion, wild experimentation. We need a major realignment in the industry and it starts with gamers voting with their wallets.

Killer2020UK1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

I think that's already happening, we're seeing commercial successes in studios like Larion and whoever made Kingdom Come for example. Double Fine is another good example. Studios who are filled with and run by people who give a fuck that aren't hamstrung by money men. That's the answer and consumers are favouring it more than the soulless AAAs that have been put out. I don't doubt there is talent at Ubisoft for example but when they're told exactly what the end product needs to be by people who don't know what consumers actually want, it's always going to result in the same rehashed but slightly shinier slop.

Ethereal1d 8h ago

Exactly. I do believe we are starting to see a shift in consumer habits. The market is saturated with GaaS and battlepasses, seasons, etc. We can't all play the same four games until the end of time. Fatigue is setting in and the industry needs to get back to making new experiences rather than chasing the latest "money maker".

Killer2020UK1d 7h ago

I was wondering whether this is perception or actually happening but it feels to me, as a semi old gamer, there is more choice than ever and as such people are now much choosier about how they spend their time and money gaming. Certainly noticing this when it comes to GaaS as you mentioned, the question always has to be why would I play this instead of what I'm already playing. Anthem is going to have a real hard time prying away people, especially with a premium price tag that screams money men as a decision.

Palitera1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

Nah. Devs need to pay the bills. Uninspired games fail, but artsy games usually fail even harder.

PapaBop16h ago

Gamers are voting with their wallets, Kingdom Come Deliverance, Expedition 33, games made by passionate developers who are not being controlled by money men are seeing their work get universal praise and selling extremely well. Meanwhile Outlaws and Veilguard are underperforming. I wonder how many people Ubi and EA had working on those games, in comparison Sandbox have just a core development team of 30 and managed to put something out EA and Ubi can only dream of.

The underlying problem though lays with how EA and Ubi execs react to these sort of things. Seems like they'd rather just lay off good developers and focus their efforts on their cash cows as opposed to change their development philosophies.

anast1d 10h ago

She didn't even call out Stanfield's PNG file planets when she flew through one. She just 'yelled' something stupid like 'flat earth'. She wasn't even taken aback in the slightest. I am not sure she isn't a part of the problem.

Aloymetal1d 9h ago

She's always been a narcissist bimbo, I'm even more surprised she's not in only fans yet.

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anast1d 7h ago

@Aloy ha!

@Lanx I'm sure you see where you are not making any sense.

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SimpleDad23h ago

You know what...?... for once I totally agree with you. Gaming bimbo true.

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Cellblock111d 10h ago

"Former", wow she didn't last at SM Studios very long at all.

isarai1d 10h ago

4yrs is pretty good not sure what ur talking about

Cellblock111d 7h ago

I wasn't sure of the actual number of years just seemed like it wasn't that long ago when I heard that she got a job as a writer there, guess time flies. 4 years being "pretty good" or not is subjective depending on ones perspective. The question might be, was four years long enough to make a discernible writing contribution to a video game based on how long development cycles are these days?

gleepot13h ago

Maybe for some industries. In gaming that's barely enough time to ship a single game.

QuantumMechanic1d 9h ago

She left SMS because she needed to go back to Australia to support a parent with cancer.

Chard19h ago

Chuds hate her because she doesn't do the anti-woke brainrot thing

SpacedDuck1d 8h ago

She doesn't last anywhere long.

Petebloodyonion1d 3h ago

She quit SM studio to focus on her own stuff, There was a video where she explained all of it.

SpacedDuck1d ago

Okay, explain like the other 50 jobs she's had and hasn't held......

I think she likes to bend the truth a ton on how involved she is and when her lies catch up with her she moves on to start a new batch.

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Rainbowcookie1d 10h ago

Greed , lack of innovation and agendas

Why do we rave about a good indie game but we avoid a AAA game.

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NVIDIA Smooth Motion: Up to 70% More FPS Using Driver Level Frame Gen on RTX 50 GPUs

NVIDIA’s RTX 50 “Blackwell” architecture has been a bit of a bore for us gamers. Apart from Multi Frame Generation, which has limited use-case scenarios, there isn’t much to be excited about. It is achieved using GPU-side Flip Metering. The optical field data is generated using AI models in the Tensor cores.

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