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Sony to require PlayStation Plus membership for online multiplayer gaming on PS4

Playing online multiplayer games on PlayStation 4 will apparently require a PlayStation Plus membership, Sony said today during its E3 liveblog. A slide shown during the presentation said "immersive multiplayer online" was a feature of PlayStation Plus. Single-player games will not require Plus, nor will accessing streaming services like Netflix, Sony said in a tweet. (E3, PS4)

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itBourne  +   977d ago | Well said
Meh, u get a free $60 game, free psn games, and a free game every month. No biggie to sign up for it.
OlgerO  +   977d ago
I know after that awesome press conference, Im not even mad!!
blitz0623  +   977d ago
It was a genius move to announce this while everybody was celebrating about the whole no DRM on PS4 thing.

Personally, I don't mind as I already have 15 months of PS+ from a bundle. I can understand people who are outraged by this. For Xbox refugees, this is nothing new, maybe even an upgrade since you guys now get free games.

Remember, this isn't just for online gaming. You get free games EVERY WEEK on almost every console (PS3, Vita, PS4). I mean, Drive Club, a launch game will be free. Where else would you see that?
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RyuCloudStrife   977d ago | Off topic | show
badz149  +   977d ago
it has been confirmed
it's in a fine print in the video of Yoshida sharing game guide.

but we get a FREE launch game in exchange, right? so no biggie!
gta2800  +   977d ago
I've been a happy PS+ customer for over a year now. I was going to gladly resubscribe before it was required for online play. The subscription paid it self off in the first month that I had it. But I love that PS+ is a service that rewards you rather than having no choice but to pay for it simply to play online.
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decrypt  +   977d ago
So Sony are now pushing PSN+ down peoples throats, people like it or not to play online they must pay.

Console gaming has really hit a low point.

Sony fans might cheer at no DRM, but really its just a matter of time. MS introduced pay to play online last gen, Sony now follows suit. I think Sony will inevitably fall to publisher pressure and most games will be releasing with some sort of DRM.

Many of my friends switched to PC gaming this gen with the road console gaming has taken, all of them are planning to stick with PC as their main platform. They might pick up PS4 just for the exclusives but thats about it.
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jetlian  +   977d ago
wow cgoodno and wildarms both failed articles saying this, only to post one himself lol.Yea ryu i saw that soon as it went up when i was set to post l couldn't

anyway not a big deal so long as its safe. Need to get GMelee
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zeal0us  +   977d ago
While I don't mind it however I do find it funny how people are trying to justify this move but got on MS for years for charging their players.
Also I could've sworn I seen this post or similar post saying Sony requiring PSN+ for online MP earlier heck if one was turn into a rumor in spite multiple sites reporting the same thing.

Cgoodno is one of the admin, I highly doubt your report will do anything.
INMATEofARKHAM  +   977d ago
Ryu, certainly bad form on cgoodno part... I'm sorry it happened to you.
nix  +   977d ago
i was sad when i heard it even though only a month back i signed up for Plus. i must say, i've already got my money back considering the free games i've got but still i hate the fact the "online free" is there no more makes me sad.
NewMonday  +   977d ago
gamers are taking this news better than I expected, most say this is disappointing but that they have PS+ anyway(and I'm one of them) , so I have a suspicion Sony were softening use up gradually, that is why they had that huge instant game collection initiative, and it worked.
blackbeld  +   977d ago
Mann.. I am mad.

OK it's not much and I also have Plus but this is a disadvantage to WiiU.

Now if you want to multiplay you have to pay? WTF!

I do love PLUS but why have to pay when you can play free online on the PS3?
Lvl_up_gamer   977d ago | Trolling | show
zeee  +   977d ago
Good thing I am already set up for another two years! :) I looovveeee PS plus so it doesn't matter to me.
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Ritsujun  +   977d ago
PS+, at the moment, offers 5 to 6 free games per month. That's 60+ free games per year.
Lots of discounts.
1GB cloud storage for PS3, 1GB cloud storage for PSVITA.
Auto firmware/gamepatch update. Auto gamesave upload.
Free themes, free avatars.
Access to closed betas and early demos.
Full game trials.

It seems that PS+ will be offering 3 PS4 games for free (Driveclub's one of them) on PS+ at PS4 launch.
I'm expecting 7 to 8 free games per month after the launch of PS+ on PS4.
ShinMaster  +   977d ago
new PS Plus > XBLgold > basic PSN > XBLsilver
PS Plus was already a good deal.
Multiplayer is the only reason people pay for XBL Gold, since MS blocks multimedia and instant video features unless you pay.
You still get those for free on PSN basic.
PSN > XBL Silver.

PS Plus simply offers more and now Microsoft is trying to follow in the footsteps of Sony by implementing some Plus-like features.
I don't think people understand the differences. XBL isn't king anymore and hasn't been.
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douevenlift  +   977d ago
lol so what you need PS+, it's about time Sony discovered a way to get some revenue, their broke asses severely need it!
I love my PS+, tons of free stuff and great disounts that no XBL person ever gets, and they've been paying 60 bucks per year just to have access to MP with zero perks outside of that! Quit your crying you broke ass children.
No Way  +   976d ago
@blitz0623 -
360 and XB1 Live users will also be receiving some free games, won't they?
Kaneda  +   977d ago | Well said
I don't want free game. I just want to play some game I enjoy playing. I don't go online everyday like 18 yrs old kid. But when I do. I don't expect to pay for it, just like PC.
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Cirehpsa  +   977d ago
Eh, many mmo's have a fee, think of this as a all in one fee for all your games, now you won't have to pay for 10 individual subscriptions.
detroit2cali  +   977d ago
How do you know you wont enjoy the FREE games? Do you know which ones will be free? Stick will your PC buddy because you're obviously biased.
Kaneda  +   977d ago
I understand why you have to pay MMO, but I am not interest in MMO. FPS is for me.

I have been playing console since the Nintendo day. I just want games that I want to play. Have been playing BF3 and MoH on PS3 last two years. I am not biased. I don't play as much game as 18 years old kid. Job and family and sometimes I want to relax playing game.

How do you know I will enjoy the free games?
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HappyWithOneBubble  +   977d ago
You pay for internet right? So basically you pay to play online.
Kaneda  +   977d ago
I pay the internet for work and do other stuff. Online game is a plus. I can get that on a PC side.

Hey, if I am 18 yrs old and don't have family. I can go online whenever I am free. I don't mind paying for +. But I am not 18.
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Rivitur  +   977d ago
If you already pay for the internet then why the f%$k would you want to pay twice?
nnotdead  +   977d ago
i'm with you. the fact that i didn't have to pay to play online was one of the biggest factors for me to stick with Sony. now i'm unsure if i will even bother with a console. might want to pick one up for the exclusive SP games that will be released, but from the first day of E3 it looks like the SP and MP will merged in most games this gen. i am unsure what that will mean if i just want to play SP.
Eyeco  +   977d ago | Well said
That was by far the biggest disappointment for me I couldn't care less of anything else shown at the conference that seriously bummed me out, I'm sorry but that was PSN's biggest advantage, i'm just amazed at the level of hypocrisy from the fanbase 6 years of bashing Live for charging a fee, but now it's ok because Sony throws in a few free games ? which by the way Live is now doing, PS+ was amazing as an OPTION nothing else, basic online multiplayer should be FREE I don't care how much you sugar coat it, everything else should be OPTIONAL.

Then again I have a theory as to why Sony would do this, given the PS4's surprisingly low price, chances are Sony is taking quite a loss and to recuperate some of that loss there gonna charge for online.

Again i'm a PS fan i'm not gonna lie but this was absolute BS, again the best online gaming the master league of online gaming is found on the PC WHICH IS FREE. If the best is FREE then you should be FREE no excuses, Is there a petition against this ? If so what is it so I can join.
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PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt  +   977d ago
put 5 dollars aside week starting now.. big deal get over it.. if not then stick to pc
NameRemoved0017  +   977d ago
Its way better than Xbox live

Xbox live requires you pay to do anything besides play single player.

Wanna watch Netflix on your xbox? You have to pay the fee to do that.
Eyeco  +   977d ago
"put 5 dollars aside week starting now.. big deal get over it.."

There we go that famous dumbass 360 fanboy logic has now transitioned to the PS camp, how about we look at things in the long run because that's all that matters in the end, the 360 has been out for 8 years that comes up to about $400 for XBL on top of a $300 launch console which comes up to about £700 minus games,

Now add $400 more to the XB1 and PS4 price tag, yeah not so pretty now is it ? and again the best online is on the PC which is free, consoles these day's are pushing me closer and closer to PC gaming with Online fee's, games that can barely run a game in a basic HD, controller gimmicks, saturation with shooters it's getting ridiculous
nthstew  +   977d ago
hey man you get free games every month unlike pc.. so rejoice and have fun.....
Rivitur  +   977d ago

That good sir is real MF logic right there.
justiceot  +   977d ago
I find it strange when people talks about "paying twice": One for the internet, another for multiplayer. They are entirely two unique services provided by different companies. It's like paying for the internet and expect everything on the internet to be free. To be fair, since you paid for the game, they should offer you the complete experience, which includes multiplayer, without extra charges.

But with free games added on top of multiplayer and other perks, few should find reasons not to get subscribed to PS Plus/ Xbox Live.
blackbeld  +   977d ago


WTF is happening with ONLINE nowadays!

I will buy the WiiU for sure. PS4 can wait. This s*cks.
uncharted56  +   977d ago
I see where you are coming from but at the same time you have to understand from a bussiness perspective that PS4 has superior parts, sells for less then any gaming pc and xbox one. Its also giving you all theses third and first party media and gaming services and they have a network infrastructure to maintain. I always bragged about the psn free thing but I have no problem paying a fee which will be less then five dollars compared to xbox to play games online.
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maximaz  +   976d ago
I feel your pain but hey, at least you get a bubble from me. Some of us just want to enjoy games we buy when we want to enjoy them, without having to go through an anal probe.
N4g_null  +   975d ago
I'll see you on a PC and wiiu! Ps4 is the new Xbox.its like Sony went third party and started making games for PC... wait it is a PC.

This is just sad......,
PSVita  +   977d ago
Exactly and I don't think it blocks you from Netflix and other apps of you don't get it.
N4g_null  +   975d ago
All of my TVs have netflex.... I don't have to pay to be only there either.

I guess its PC and wiiu till Sony gets there stuff together. I might as well get a Xbox one if I get a ps4. I can afford it but I also don't waste money if I'm not using the system. So far Sony doesn't make any of the games I use to like from them except god of war.
PSVita  +   974d ago
Good for you bro...
uncharted56  +   977d ago
The fee is less then five dollars so I will take it.
xPhearR3dx  +   977d ago
So is XBL Gold but look how many people are up in arms because you're paying to play online. I knew Sony would go down this path eventually. I personally don't mind as I've been paying for Live for years and don't have much interest in the Xbone.

I do find it very ironic how now that Sony does this, many people will now act like paying for online play is no big deal. Yet yesterday, it was evil.
Rivitur  +   977d ago

Exactly people are now praising Sony because they did the opposite of MS but the thing no one ever thought would change did change and the fanboys are easting it up after years of bashing MS for it.
nnotdead  +   977d ago
i'm a little shocked too. the free online has been the biggest trump card Sony fans have been pulling all gen. now we all just want to give it up because PS4 doesn't have crazy DRM like XBone. not shocked Sony is doing this, but i am shocked Sony fan base isn't making a bigger deal out of this.

the only reason i can thinkpeople aren't upset would be the fact that a lot of people like what PS+ has been offering, i know i have, and they don't see any added cost from what they where already spending. i just think Sony now pushing it on gamers is BS.
green  +   977d ago
I have never seen this level of hypocrisy in my life. You can not go into an XBOX article with our Sony cheerleeders shouting "dumb customers paying for live, i will never pay for online multiplayer because it is a matter of principle"

Now Sony does the same thing and 99% of them are all cool with that. Its like the past 6 years i have been on N4G and they have all been bitching never existed.
NumOnePS3FanBoy  +   977d ago
save yourself money by buying the $50 dollar psn card for a full years worth of ps+ goodness my compadreeeeii
mcstorm  +   977d ago
I agree a lot of people I know who have a PS3 have said they don't want a 360 because they don't want to pay for online. Well looks like they will have to shell out the extra £40 or look at a WiiU to play online for free.

I don't think its a bad thing to pay for playing online but I do hope Sony improve PSN for the PS4 over the PS3 as I found the updates and PSN down time frustrating on the PS3 at times.
MrBeatdown  +   977d ago
I love when people cry hypocrisy. It really helps you weed out the trolls more interested in trying to stick it to a fanbase than the news itself.

You make it sound like everyone is lavishing praise on Sony for this. The fact is, there's plenty of people complaining about it, and there's plenty of people who aren't, probably because they already pay for PS+ because it has proven to be good value.

The same can't be said for Live, which is basically a charge for online play and apps that should be free.

Want to cry hypocrisy? Go ahead and find examples of it. If you think it's so widespread, go right ahead and dig through the comments of everyone here. Shouldn't take you long to provide plenty of examples. But of course, you won't, because it's easier to just pretend everyone is a hypocrite, when you're not getting the riots in the streets you're expecting.
darx  +   977d ago
@Mr Beatdown

You have to pay to play online, end of story.
MrBeatdown  +   977d ago
"End of story" my ass.

The idea that "you have to pay" is all that matters is idiotic. It completely discounts what else the fee gets you.

But of course, some people here would like to pretend it's that simple, just so they can cry hypocrisy.

The fact is, for a lot of people here, we aren't getting charged a penny more than we were already paying for a service that we already felt was well worth the money.

But apparently, because people aren't burning effigies of Sony execs over something that doesn't affect us, we're hypocrites.

That's troll logic for you. Ignore the subtleties of people's opinions and reasoning so you can cry hypocrisy and win the war on people who's opinion you disagree with.
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kane_1371  +   977d ago
The Thing is, I am a Sony fanboy, I have never tried to hide that, and I argue that doesn't make me a blind fanboy since I love many games on Xbox too but when it comes to making a decision I will go with Sony.

Now as a fanboy I am kind of Sad, When the presentation of PS+ said multiplayer games what not bla bla bla I felt a sad feeling inside me since It was such a big thing to not be forced to pay to play online for us PS3 users.
Now at the same time I have never been that huge of Online gamer and mostly play SP unless I'm on my PC and playing Dota :D
So at the same time it doesn't bother me that much.
Then there is the fact that I have always bought PS+ when I could so that I get the games that come free with it and I love the service. Just a while ago I played Thomas Was Alone and I loved it and went and bought it for my PC! So in many ways I love PS+ that also made me less sad but still I was thinking to myself why would they do this?

So you see in about a minute later the crowd was cheering and clapping and all of that because the System would cost us €399 and at that moment I realised that you really can't have the Cake and eat it too!
We got the response from the Sony, NO DRM, No restriction on Used games, No + subscription for the media apps and a price point that made this E3 1995 all over again!

So we had to compensate in a way and that was the online multiplay.
This is the reason people are not super mad, they are sad but they all are getting the point: You can't have a cake and eat it too!

That is all!
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darx  +   977d ago
@Mr Beatdown

Boil it down and what you get is pay to play online.

Opinion? It's a FACT you have to pay to play online.
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uncharted56  +   977d ago
First of all I always used to brag about free online play so in no way am I happy about this. But at the same time I am paying less then xbox live for online and I get free games, themes, wallpapers, early access to betas and demos. For less then five dollars a month along with all the services and free stuff I get access to this is sure worth more money then xbox live and if I have to pick, I will take the lesser evil of the two. Plus I have my gaming pc until I go back to university.
MrBeatdown  +   977d ago

And your point? I was never arguing you had to pay for online. Why you harp on it as if it's something being disputed is beyond me.

Are you saying that nobody should care what they are actually paying for?

Are you saying that everyone's opinion and reaction to this should be entirely devoid of any consideration for their own personal preferences, the value of what they are getting for the money, and how this affects them?

Wouldn't it be just as hypocritical if all the people that love Plus suddenly said it was a crap service because online is now included, despite the fact that it still offers the exact same level of value as before?

Like I said, pretending everything else is irrelevant, and ignoring any and all reasoning behind people's opinions, is just a lazy attempt at painting everyone as a hypocrite.

The fact of the matter is that, like I said, there are just as many people upset with this fact as there are people who just don't care. The trolls in this thread would prefer to ignore that, just so they can go ahead with their little half-assed generalizations.

Some people here seem to think hypocrisy is so widespread, yet nobody has offered up a single example of that. Just pathetic generalizations, because that's all they have. That's what trolls do. They take any little thing they can cling to and run with it. It doesn't matter how legitimate it is, just as long as they can use it to wage war against anyone who isn't as blind as they are.

Hell, the very comment we are all replying to, coming from a guy who doesn't mind the price, has far more disagrees than agrees, yet "OH MAH GOD SO MANY HYPOCRITES!!! XBL FEE BAD! PSN FEE GOOD!!! SONY FANS ARE FLIP FLOPPING!!"

People here seem to want to overlook what's right in front of them just so they can troll.
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Foliage  +   977d ago
It's a two-sided road.

How many comments have been posted over-glorifying xbox live; attempting to pass the price off as accounting for the "better service".

Suddenly you Microfans want to make a big deal over something you have been trying to sell everyone on for years?

Sorry, Plus has enough benefits on it's own to justify the price. It's hard to get overly angry; when you essentially know you are getting the best looking next gen racing game (Drive Club) for free with the fee for Plus; along with many other titles.

That money is still going towards games; good ones that people were looking to buy. The online multiplayer is just additional.

Xbox Live on the other hand is paying to use your existing internet service (shit, you even need it for netflix). It also does not justify the price with any additional perks.

Big difference, Microfans.
Enemy  +   977d ago
Just like Xbox Live, except you get free games with Plus. Sony wins again.
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xPhearR3dx  +   977d ago
You get free games (at least for now) with an XBL Gold Membership as well. Catch with PS+ is, when you stop paying you lose those games. These games MS are giving away are free forever. Even when your account is silver. Granted, so far the two games are extremely old, but at least you always have the option of playing them if you wish.
Virtual_Reality  +   977d ago
Do you realize giving free games on Xbox Live only will be available until November?
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EasilyTheBest  +   977d ago
Its official.. Its now ok to pay to play online... Unbelievable.
Cuzzo63  +   977d ago
Can still play offline without a connection
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Rhythmattic  +   977d ago

I am a PS+ subscriber, because its been incredible value for my money, but for everyone to have to pay to play online !!

Utter BS.
Foliage  +   977d ago
"Its official.. Its now ok to pay to play online... Unbelievable. "

Who said it was okay?

What's the alternative? No one wants a WiiU. PC is too expensive.

It comes down to PS4 and Xbox One. Both have this fee; so you can't argue for or against it. The difference is that PS4 is heads and shoulders above the Xbox One in absolutely every single category (specs, games, policies, online payment perks).

No one enjoys paying for online; people are going to buy a PS4 despite it... because there is no other choice. You pay for xbox live to play online; many PS3 players paid for Plus because of the perks. I already have Plus; so this changes absolutely nothing for me. Casual players looking for entertainment still can access Netflix, etc. (unlike xbox one). Single player users don't need online at all (unlike xbox one; you need to check in).

At the end of the day; PS4 is still the best choice. I already have Plus; so absolutely no additional fees are ahead that I was not going to be paying for as it is.

Sorry, no one is outraged; because the value is there.
pimpschitz  +   977d ago
I'll pay it, it was probably inevitable anyhow. And it's cheap.
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THE-COMMANDER  +   977d ago
Agree, this is not a big deal for me.
Jaces  +   977d ago
I already purchased Plus even when online play was free. Not even mad. They already offer great deals for going Plus, worth every penny.
moparful99  +   977d ago
I've been adamant about not paying for the privilege to play your games online.. So much so that I didn't buy a 360 until this past Christmas and once my 3 month free trial expired I haven't renewed. So knowing that you have to pay to play on the ps4 is a bit of a letdown for me.. But considering that I'm already and have been a Ps+ subscriber since the service launched I guess it doesn't matter.. I have no plans to end my sub because of all of the free games that I get from the service.. Guess I better not let my sub expire..
darx  +   977d ago
kane_1371  +   977d ago
lol Darx he just said he is not happy with the fact that online play is connected to + but since he has always been a + member it is not that big of a deal FOR HIM and you call him hypocrite?

moparful99  +   977d ago
@Darx how exactly am I a hypocrite? I already have a + membership and no intentions of ending it because of the free content.. Should I unsub just to keep my morale integrity in tact to appease you? Get real man..
Gildarts  +   977d ago
Hahaha so now it's OK to pay for online play?? Hahahah

Where's the twitter campaign?
Why o why  +   977d ago
I'm annoyed as fcuk... even though I'm a plus subscriber this still annoys me. What YOU should be doing is making your own petition or twitter campaign to deal with your favourite console makers plans. Out of both camps....I think you've got more to worry about.

So you unlock the 'wait a minute' achievement for 'spotting hypocrisy' in some factions of the ps camp

You also unlock the 'ben dover' achievement for letting ms use your own haemoglobin for KY whilst smiling
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T2  +   977d ago
Wow xbox trolls trying way too hard in here ... Its all perspective... Xbl for years made u pay for nothing ... Now Sony comes with a low priced console and gives you games with the subscription ... Does it suck ? Sure but in a list of positives its one negative ... Trolls didnt come here to weigh pros/cons , they only here for the inevitable " Sony too hypocrites! "
Sad really
Grave  +   977d ago
Ya plus the fact that you get a launch title Drive Club as part of the membership and the indie games. MUCH better that AC II and Halo 3, lmfao.
Hellsvacancy  +   977d ago
Its bs, im not happy about it, it isnt like I cant afford it or anything, thats not the problem, its.......


As I was typing that it came to me, the PS4 is pretty cheap, I honestly thought it would cost more, maybe thats why Sony added this extra charge

Im not happy about it, I guess like XBL users ill just have to put up with it or go without
darx  +   977d ago
You don't have to put up with it. Vote with your wallet don't buy the PS4. Take a stand.
kane_1371  +   977d ago
Drax you are really desperate are you not?
Foliage  +   977d ago
Are you taking a stand against xbox one; darx?

It also has a paywall for online play; but also has services like netflix behind it.

Xbox One also has overwhelmingly the most anti-consumer policies on any electronic product to date.

You like throwing around advice; are you taking your own advice?
seanpitt23  +   977d ago
That's probably why the console is so cheap they need to get there money back in some way
YNWA96  +   977d ago
No, this just sucks... lil by lil they will start doing what MS are doing. This was always a big deal, having free multiplayer, now they sneaked this in the backdoor while everyone was going mental over no DRM.... whats next? I do not care for Drive club either, so thats no consolation to me....
Godz Kastro  +   977d ago
Ohhhhhhh, all of the sudden paying to play online isnt a bad thing heh? heh?

SonyPS4  +   977d ago
XBL Gold needs to follow suit and offer a similar deal to PS+. I am not a sucker for paid online, but at least Sony is giving us PS+ subscribers more value for our subscriptions. It went from free mediocre PSN titles, Minis, and PSOne classics to AAA retail PS3 titles and cloud storage to full blown PSVita games and PSVita indies to PS4 titles, Gaikai access and state-of-the-art online multiplayer.
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dale_denton  +   977d ago
as long as i get service on psn with less lag i'm fine with it.. all good to me i'm already sub to ps+
BallsEye  +   977d ago
Same thing on xbox live (you get 2 free games plenty of apps etc) but Plus is more expensive. Weird that no one is complaining about fees now.
Urusernamesucks  +   977d ago
All i heard from this Comment was ," baahhah"
sackboyhappy  +   977d ago
we will get Drive club PS+ edition, not the full game plus we don't own it (its not a $60 game)
xxLuckyStrike  +   977d ago
Not a problem for us Xbox defectors, bye,bye Microsham
Cam977  +   976d ago
Not just free games.
- Exclusives
- Cloud Storage
- Auto updates
- Auto Downloads
dasbeer88  +   977d ago
No worries, I'll be using my PS4 for JRPGs.
Snookies12  +   977d ago
FFXV and Kingdom Hearts 3 here I come...
Relientk77  +   977d ago
Very excited for next-gen JRPGs

Thanx Sony, bring 'em
SonyPS4  +   977d ago
It Only Does Role-Playing
Dunpeal  +   977d ago
I like people are really honing in on this as a result of the whole MS debacle, but in reality the vast majority of PSN + owners find great value in the service already so it's just icing on the cake from here on out
Godz Kastro  +   977d ago
How about the vast majority of ps3 owners? Forget psn owners they didnt lose anything. Those are the guys that sony stuck it to.
turnerdc  +   977d ago
Will all the spectating and streaming gameplay require PS+?
Saints94  +   977d ago
Yea dood.
SexyGamerDude  +   977d ago
He said that other features don't require PS+
Christopher  +   977d ago
They've only said multiplayer gaming, and have said that other online features don't require it. So, I'd assume no to both, but good question.
turnerdc  +   977d ago
Just found this:

"Other main features PS Plus members can enjoy on PS4™ include;

Users will have access to online play with other players via the network. Online Multi
Play mode for PS4™, with its socially integrated services, offers unique features only
available on the system such as allowing users to seamlessly start playing game and join their
online friends while spectating gameplay or enjoying cross game voice chat."

Sounds like spectating/streaming gameplay will only be for PS+ members.
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kane_1371  +   977d ago
no, features outside of ps+ like sharing, netflix and other apps are not part of ps+ membership, at least for the time being and hopefully it will remain so.
Saints94  +   977d ago
Eh, Xbox live is the reason I don't care about the cost. I'm surprised people didn't expect this.
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Christopher  +   977d ago
As I said before, I don't like supporting pay to play online concepts, but I have PS+ for the games and other services.

This is, IMHO, the lesser of two evils, but I'm not sure how necessary it was. Does this money truly go to their infrastructure or is the multiplayer paywall a way of sneaking multiplayer DRM in on us?
Snookies12  +   977d ago
I suppose we'll see in time. I find the PSN a more often than not enjoyable experience when playing online. Though it does have issues at times. If these issues start becoming less prominent on PS4, we'll know that it's going toward bolstering their services.
ziggurcat  +   977d ago
i would imagine that this may have been sony's compromise after the elimination of the online pass, and having no DRM restrictions on PS4... perhaps they struck a few deals so that publishers get a cut?
wadukadoo  +   977d ago
I really hope some of the money goes back to the developers. I was honestly looking forward to the end of used games. Of course always online is not the way I want to ever see it done. If you think about it used games suck tons of money out of the industry. When people buy a new game and then sell it within a couple months game stores will try to sell it for 55 dollars, yet only buy it for 20 or so. Some people will just get the used game because it is five dollars less and suddenly 35 dollars is taken straight out of the industry, or 55 dollars if the person who just sold the game dosent spend the money on a new game. Because where does it go? it goes to a store who does nothing to improve the industry. I know people like the discounts and the ability to do what they want with something they purchase, but I think it could have helped the industry quite a bit. Its possible we could have finally seen a lower price than 60 dollars for a new game on a regular basis.
ltachiUchiha  +   977d ago
See this is what I been trying to say. When 1 company gets away with making consumers pay for a feature that was free on every other platform they open the gate for other companies to follow in the same path, only difference is ps plus will give you free games, gaikai service, & other feats. Without ps plus u can still surf the net, and use other free apps, unlike the 360 u still need xbl to use those things. There is a big difference.
Typical-Guy  +   977d ago
To be honest, I can't blame them. They got hacked and lost a lot if money compensating people. That gesture alone deserves a lot. Plus all the ps games have dedicated servers and keeping them running requires so much money.
maniacmayhem  +   977d ago
I'm pretty sure no one got their accounts compromised when the hack happened. Or am I mistaken?
Typical-Guy  +   977d ago
I don't think so, but you're not counting all those free games people got for free!
kane_1371  +   977d ago
All those free games were first Sony made and Second old ones!
They didn't lose money on them.
Horny  +   977d ago
Im actually quite pissed at this. I have ps+ and still think people should have a choice if they want to purchase it or not. I hated 360 for making pay for online and now ps4 is doing it and I won't be a hypocrite about it.
forcefullpower  +   977d ago
Totally agree. I have PS+ but dissapointed with this as there should still be a basic online no matter what. PS+ should have been used for all the extras
mrmarvel29  +   977d ago
exactly! online should have been free and other features should have been for ps plus. A big turn off for me.
Rhythmattic  +   977d ago

I too am pissed off and agree with your comment...

As Sony said, Plus subs were up 140% , so why make it mandatory for MP?

Just another hidden cost to the uninformed as was the 360 with XBL Gold.

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Hufandpuf  +   977d ago
Thank you for being honest. Bubs up to you.
Finalfantasykid  +   977d ago
Couldn't agree more. I picked up on this in the conference and had a bad feeling about the wording. Since online multiplayer is such a fundamental aspect of most games these days, it is therefore almost required to pay that extra $5 a month (or however much it is) to get full access to all the features of the games. I would be fine with all online features such as cloud storage, Gaikai streaming, video sharing and all that stuff being for PS+, but I believe that the fundamental online gaming should be free.

Having said that, it seems I will have no choice but to go with PS+. I have actually contemplated it in the past since there are actually many benefits.
maniacmayhem  +   977d ago
Interesting...I have already heard a lot of sony fanboys flip flopping on this already.

Funny how when the xbox peeps were saying they liked Live for it's features and services they were cast out and branded tools or whatever. And now this is the same excuse a lot of the Sony Fanboy camp is now giving.

There's no point in having a PS4 which is online heavy and not be a + member. And what about games like Destiny? Didn't Bungie say that their game is always online? Will you need to be a + member just to play that game?

I believe the WiiU is still free.
BattleAxe  +   977d ago
Well which console do you think you will get more value from? Do the math....

PS4 = $399.00
Xbox One = $499.00

PS4 = Trade-In used games
Xbox One = Pay fees for playing used games

PS4 = Play offline anytime when you want for as long as you want
Xbox One = Connect to the internet every 24 hours or your Xbox becomes a brick

Not to mention that PS+ is far more generous to gamers than Xbox Live Gold is to Xbox fans. If Sony really comes out with a streaming service that allows you to play any PS3, PS2 and PS1 game that you want for a monthly fee, then I think the Xbox will be outclassed in every way, especially since the Playstation library of games is probably 4x bigger than XBOX and the XBOX 360 put together.
joefrost00  +   977d ago
First off the fees are.up to the publisher.and MS already said.they.wont be charging a fee for their games

2. Its funny people complain about always be online but dont mind that destiny and watch dogs said you will have to be online to even play it meaning you will pretty much be online all the time anyway like you are now and the.24'hour thing dont even effect
Then I remember sony saying its.up to the developers so you are still going to pay a fee for used games and pay for plus

3. I will be getting both and sony won on price point
But the xbox should be more cause it does more
Like I did not have a problem pay 600 for the.ps3 when it was lauched cause the value for my money was there it was at the time the best and cheapest blu ray.player out
Funny how PS3 spin logic in their heads

4. I do like the.streaming part of the old and ps3 games
Looking foward to getting both like I always do
Rivitur  +   977d ago
The Steambox good sir the Steambox....
BattleAxe  +   977d ago
Ok Joe, but the Xbox hardware isn't even as powerful. The PS4 is something like 30% more powerful. Another thing is that with Kinect you don't have a choice, you have to use it, end of story. There's no "spinning of logic" here, its called being rational and being able to use your math skills.
greenpowerz  +   977d ago
Xbox One comes with a free year of Multi player, games and other content.

PS4 you have to buy PS+ for $60(plus free stuff) to play online and $60 bucks if you wan't a PS eye.

You have to pay $520 for PS4 to get the same basic experience (of course PS4 hardware, camera and system software isn't as advanced)
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DoesUs  +   977d ago
"of course PS4 hardware isn't as advanced".

Now, i'll say this again. Xbone technically is inferior. You follow this bit yes? You have reached a new level of desperation, truly what a sick individual you are.
The_Troll_Whisperer  +   977d ago

I don't have to buy the PS Eye since it isn't required and not as sophisticated as Kinect.

So PS4=419$(3 month PS+)
449$(1 YEAR PS+)
And X1= 524$(im not sure if there is a 3 month)
559$(One year subscription to XBL Gold)

I have spoken
a_squirrel  +   977d ago
Free games + online =/= online
PSN+ =/= Xbox Live Gold

So I disagree to the first half. Yes, now a lot of PS players are acting like that, but what about the freaking XB players when the Kinect and privacy always on crap happened? It's the future they said. Subscription seems to be the future though...

Besides, it hasn't actually been confirmed. I'd like clarification, because it seems like they took a jab at X One with you not being able to use netflix or play your game without a Gold account.
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dark-hollow  +   977d ago
Isn't Microsoft gonna offer free games also?
Virtual_Reality  +   977d ago
Only until November
detroit2cali  +   977d ago
What "features" come with the gold membership? I have had it for awhile now and all i can do is play online. I also have ps+ which gives you access to full games, dlc, themes, etc for no more than the subscription fee. Only thing I have gotten for free from live is doritos crash course. So how are the services comparable again?
a_squirrel  +   977d ago
But now wih the Gold account, you can play demos, browse the Internet, and buy games! Here's another ad!
BattleAxe  +   977d ago
I think I'll still be buying this console. If live was free on Xbox One I would consider it, but the always on, no freedom with used games and the fact that Kinect is a quasi surveillance system (in my opinion), makes the Xbox One a no go. Not to mention it will cost $100.00 more than the PS4 at launch, and that you must use Kinect to use the console.
kingmushroom  +   977d ago
i don't now why some people are tripping out over online subscription I'm a Plus subscriber and its worth every penny and you get so much out of it in one year that is worth more than $49.99
ziggurcat  +   977d ago
already pay for the service (paid up until mid-2015), and you get way more out of it than you do with a XBL gold subscription, so... no skin off of my back, really.

although, it does suck for those who won't get PS+ or can't afford the subscription... that's a bummer. at least you can still watch netflix, etc... without PS+, which is more than what anyone can say about XBL gold.

good things that came out of MS's conference today related to LIVE - two free games per month leading up to the xbone's release, and XBL gold sharing (*if* it isn't specific to xbone). i pay for XBL gold, and it would be nice for my common law partner to play online if she wants to under this system.
dark-hollow  +   977d ago
PC still have an advantage against both due to it free online.
ziggurcat  +   977d ago
... except a lot of the same DRM policies that MS is enforcing is also on PC, so...

@ battleaxe below:

yeah, steam is really great for that, but if you can trade, lend or sell your games with no restrictions...
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BattleAxe  +   977d ago
Yeah, but when you can buy games like GTA4, Bioshock and Assassin's Creed 2 during a Steam sale for $5.00, then who care about DRM.

I've got a huge collection of games on PC, and I bought every single one for pennies on the dollar, deals that you would never get on consoles. PS+ is starting to become pretty good with the deals, but still nowhere near as cheap as services like Steam.
dark-hollow  +   977d ago
"yeah, steam is really great for that, but if you can trade, lend or sell your games with no restrictions..."

The main reason people buy used games is due to the cheaper prices, and NOBODY can deny that steam prices and deals are waaaay ahead of the competition.
Rivitur  +   977d ago
Not to mention some steam games come with gift passes which you can give to a friend also you can always share an account with a friend as steam is accessible anywhere.
ziggurcat  +   977d ago
@ dark-hollow:

and the main reason people trade/lend/borrow games is because they can't afford to spend money on games.

don't get me wrong, though - i agree with everything that has been said about steam. i'm also not the type of gamer that keeps their games once they've been completed. being able to trade/lend/sell my physical copy has allowed me to get other games for little to no money.
thelaughingwiseman  +   977d ago
I'll wait a few years for Sony to announce a price drop to 300 or 250 bucks. That way I will be able to get games that are starting to optimize the PS4's system and be able to bear the PS+ membership. Less then 5 bucks a month is about 4.50 multiply that by 12 months and that's 54-60 bucks a year.

I waited until 2011 to get my first PS3, and that was when UC3, Resistance 3 were coming out. And they already had an awesome back catalog of UC2, ME2, Valkrie Chornicles, Demon Souls and the like
wishingW3L  +   977d ago
I wish I could wait like you but I want it now!
Jeff257  +   977d ago
A 1 year membership for Plus costs $49.99. They give you many games with that during the year and the cost of those games and the discounts can easily save you hundreds of dollars each year. I am not happy they put the online MP behind it but I have been paying for Plus since it came out and I have enjoyed the games I have gotten for free. Some of which I still need to play. It has given me that much of a back log of games that I will still be playing them when the PS4 comes out.

Also any other accounts you have on the PS3 can also access the free games. I hope Sony will treat the MP the same way and allow one Plus account for everyone to use it.
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thelaughingwiseman  +   977d ago
I'm wondering, what if you stick to games that don't need MP? Can you go into the PS Store and buy DLC without having to pay for Plus membership?
Jeff257  +   977d ago
They said that all the media stuff and Single player focused games would remain the same. meaning you don;t need to pay more to access it. Also that would extend to buying and downloading new games and DLC. No need to have plus to do all that. Plus does however give you discounts on some games and DLC though but if you don;t have Plus you can still buy that stuff. You just won;t get the discount.
The_Troll_Whisperer  +   977d ago
A PlayStation Plus subscription is 18.99$ for 3/mo or 49.99$ for a year. So, it's not quite 54-60 bucks a year.

I have spoken
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Sarobi  +   977d ago
I'm already paying for it anyway so.. not that big of a deal. Even if the online was free, I'd still pay.. why?.. because for 60 dollars I get a collection of games for PS3 and Vita and soon PS4
kingmushroom  +   977d ago
same here man same here, PS+ members know whats up
strigoi814  +   977d ago
I never complained since PSplus was announced..with free games its like your stealing from Sony just saying
TheSaint  +   977d ago
Pro's and cons weighed up PS4 is still better than XBox One.
cell989  +   977d ago
It's X-BONE get with the times good sir
Theyellowflash30  +   977d ago
I'll pass then, online gameplay is free on the PC, Wii U, and 3DS. I'll just play single player games like Final Fantasy 15 on the PS4.
jocomat9  +   977d ago
really? like i don't understand that cause you won't shed 60$, your gonna miss out on so many games, discounts and multiplayer portions of the games. All for $60? Psn was a basic service since it was free. I'm personally willing to pay for a superior service cause i want top notch online service since im more of a multiplayer guy.If your all singleplayer thats fine.

Sony saw how many people didn't mind paying for xbox live gold so they said what the hay.
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Theyellowflash30  +   977d ago
I am too busy to play all the games they offer. For me, I don't see the value. And you said yourself your more of a multiplayer guy.

Well I'm more of a single player guy. I don't need to play the latest shooters online. I don't even like shooters. Who says the service is going to be better or superior. Steam is free and the online play is just as good as Xbox Live.

It's just not worth it to me. I'll play single player games on the PS4 and multiplayer games on PC, Wii U, and 3DS.
Sadist3  +   977d ago
So basically when I buy the PS4 the price is actually $450.00 because I'm going to play online on day one. So the difference is only $50.00 from Xbox
wishingW3L  +   977d ago
you still need XBL on Xbox to play online so the difference is still $100 not $50. And at the end of the day the PS4 is more powerful and it doesn't block used games....
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koolaid251  +   977d ago
you get xbox live for free for the first year with day 1 system purchase so yeah it $50 difference
tiffac008  +   977d ago
Xbox Live is only 14 days on the X1.

Unless this has been changed.
a_squirrel  +   977d ago
Great math skills there 'Sadist3'
a_squirrel  +   969d ago
People, did you miss my sarcasm?
cell989  +   977d ago
You get a free AAA nex-gen game with 1st year plus purchase, plus the plethora of free games already available, so it's still 100 more with xbone. With $450 you get Drive Club, PS4 and online gaming for a year, not counting all the other free shit you're going to get with plus. Oh and I can resell my games and rent games as well #justsaying
Orionsangel  +   977d ago
Your PS PLUS account from the PS3 carries over to the PS4.
Relientk77  +   977d ago
That's what I thought, thanx for clarifying this, PS + = free games anyway
spacetoilet  +   977d ago
it really doesn't it = free GAME.

You rent the others
spacetoilet  +   977d ago
LAME. I know allot of you like plus but I don't need it and I certainly am not going over to M$ this gen either so this bummed me out a little.

Pay to play :(

And the games are not free, you lose them when you unsubscribe to plus. You only keep the initial one.

All in all though I'm stoked about the PS4 not pulling most of the crap the M$ has put together but it wash a sly move to slide this turd of a deal in there.
mrmarvel29  +   977d ago
100% agree with you!!
Ares90  +   977d ago
Yeah that stroke me really deep. I don't think that PS+ needs the multiplayer part. It is great as it is. But I guess Sony wants to increase profits and this helps them.

2pacalypsenow  +   977d ago
Good move business wise PSN was bleeding Sony dry. Hopefully they use that money to improve the PSN
bunfighterii  +   977d ago
I suspected this might come. At least they make it valuable by giving you Drive Club for free with it.
Sketchy_Galore  +   977d ago
It's definitely a bit of a bummer but with the knowledge of the bullet we dodged with everything else it doesn't seem so bad. Better to take a sly finger or two than a savagely inserted broom handle.
r21  +   977d ago
I've got mixed feelings towards this.
strigoi814  +   977d ago
Sony needs to improve there servers to improve online experience..they will use this also to bring more newer games to PS+ freebies
b_one  +   977d ago
lol at ppl, you will have ps+ on 3 platforms... free games, price cuts...
isarai  +   977d ago
I'm not going to sit here and defend paying for online, i think is sucks ass and was one of the main reasons i loved the PS3, that being said it's a far easier pill to swallow given the beifits it comes with, and given the competition(Xbox 1) so in the end i really won't mind that much paying for it, yeah it sucks and that means one less game a year, but it's worth the game library, benefits, and freedom when compared to XB1, so i'll just put up with it
airgangstarr  +   977d ago
so funny hearing ps fanboys sticking up for paying for psn i been on xbox 10years now its not a big deal to pay for a better service im thinking they probably are gonna upgrade there network an it costs money so there gonna start an charge
isarai  +   977d ago
Not really the same thing though, XBL locks anything that uses internet except the market behind the fee, PS+ only locks multiplayer and offers free games, discounts, early/exclusive betas/demos and is $10 cheaper. Not saying that it makes it right, but it's the far lesser of the two evils
Y_5150  +   977d ago
I've been a loyal PS+ member since launch and I seen more value than Xbox Live but now lets see. They seem to be equal but still PS+ gives you more freedom with other apps and discounts and such. But it's good that Gold members will get "Free" games every month. PS+ is still a better value. But it does sucks that it's mandatory to pay to play online on PS4.
Tres21  +   977d ago
yea it is just hearin ppl say well they had 2 how else would they pay 2 keep up & upgrade there servers duhh...make sense kno that a company would do that or im already paying for it so its no big deal when the prev xbox sheep said it they were delusional.
& how but the xbox is blocking apps but u remember its a gaming console it shouldnt be about the

either way i saw alot of games i liked for both systems
C L O U D  +   977d ago
Not feeling this to be multiplayer gaming is solely the reason why I used my PS3 more than my 360.

Yes, you get deals...and free games and etc...but no customer is going to be happy by the fact that such a key feature is taken away from them only having to be paid for to be fully utilised.

Sony didn't need to do this...but they did. From such a great performance they have shown earlier, this indeed has given me such a disappointed feeling...
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Hicken  +   977d ago
I think they felt they did. They didn't have to with PS3, but with everything that'll be going into PS4's multiplayer, I think they saw the costs being something that needed to be funded somewhere.
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