Analyst ZHugeEX Says That Star Fox Zero Was Not Profitable; Might Be The End Of The Series

Video gaming analyst ZHugeEX has mentioned on Twitter that Star Fox Zero was not profitable at all. In fact, it did so badly that he does not see Star Fox surviving.

[iplay1up2]

I don't like 0, but I would not give up on it!!!!!! Port it to NX with better controls/graphics face lift and I would try it again!

[BullyMangler]

But still, All Range Mode is ssick! SFZ 8.8/10

[nveenio]

This is why I don't think a Crash reboot is a good idea. Nostalgia is just so hard to compete with. It can be done, but it's almost like rolling dice.

[LOL_WUT]

Unless they drastically make the Crash Bandicoot reboot to look like a PS1 game and add a gimmicky control scheme I don't see how it can't be a good idea ;)

[freshslicepizza]

i blame miyamoto, he should step out of the way and retire now.

[miyamoto]

Hey!

[Relientk77]

Wow that would be sad if Nintendo ended the Star Fox games. At least he's still in Smash Bros

[Summons75]

It will but it's one of those things where more people demand the game and then they don't buy it. Like Agent Carter on TV, nobody watched the show but then when it's canceled all of a sudden people are coming out of the woodwork saying how amazing it is. If they truly loved the series they would have bought the game simple as that.

[SaveMeJebus]

Wait...Agent Carter was cancelled?! I'm outraged!!! The three episodes I watched were really good!!!

[ShadowWolf712]

People wanted a good Star Fox game.

Instead they got a gimmicky title that ran poorly.

Just Nintendo shooting themselves in the foot. Again.

[Segata]

I watched all of Agent Carter DURING it's run.

[jessionpc]

Why would it be sad? Star Fox had 2 great games. One was on Super Nintendo, the next was on N64.

Dormant and dead since, "Or how boot that Krystal star fox game? Super cool right?"

Nobody cares about flying a fox and a frog through asteroid belts in a fantasy jet that screams, "GURD LUCK", anymore.

Time for Nintendo do to a little growing up or a lot of getting lost.

Either or :/

[Segata]

They never stop making familiar name IPs. They just give them long breaks. If anyone tries to bring up F-zero well they tried to get one made on Wii U but Criterion turned down the offer.

[Fullmetalevolust]

I think it was released at a really bad moment between the end of the WiiU's lifetime and an announced NX release date. Some WiiU owners like myself probably thought, well what's the use...? probably gonna buy it when it's cheaper or when it gets released for the NX.
The WiiU's swansong along with the new Zelda.

[_-EDMIX-_]

no.

That game preformed bad in sales for being a bad game..very simple. I would assume the use of buying a game on a platform you own, is to have fun.

@wonder - "Zero was NOT a bad game; its control scheme was just asking too much from people who didn't have great multitasking skills and a lot of people just couldn't handle"

Why are you blaming the consumers for? I'm sorry but this game is completely awful in terms of how it controls simply because they've made poor decisions in design.

Someone shouldn't have to be doing so much multitasking in such a simplistic game this is not a simulation Star Fox has never been about that I'm sorry but they completely botched this game in favor of forcing a gimmick.

You keep desperately trying to defend this game and I could tell you right now my friend currently has the world record in this game he is currently the fastest person that could play this game and he 100% agrees with me that this is the worst feeling Star Fox ever created he knows better than anyone playing the game as he holds the world record for it.

Even as a huge Star Fox fan I'm not going to sit here and lie for the game and pretend it's everybody else there was no reason for this game to have forced motion controls and for Nintendo to lie to its own consumers regarding whether or not motion could be turned off.

Also this is not a remake this is more so of a reimagining because there's many levels in this game that are not in Starfox 64 this was never meant to be a direct 1.1 remake.

Watching my friend for countless hours play this game in frustration over the terrible controls going after the world record has shown me clearly just how bad the controls were created for this game. Star Fox is a very short game someone should not be fighting the controls for more than half of the campaign he even told me the learning curve is so difficult because of how bad the design is that it will take you a couple playthroughs just to understand it and even then it's still going to be terrible.

This game failed in sales simply because it fails in design. No one could even take anything you say seriously anyway because you spin anything bad by this company to Oblivion..
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I have Publishers that I personally like and developers that I personally like but if they create a bad game I'm not going to sit there playing crap and saying it's amazing I'm very much going to voice my concern.

As a person that likes Star Fox, this is a bad game..

" your buddy was struggling with the controls and felt that the learning curve was too difficult, then that's on him"

Lol yet holds the world record.....

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

No.
There's a difference between a game being bad, and a game not being made the way fans wanted it to be made.

Zero was NOT a bad game; its control scheme was just asking too much from people who didn't have great multitasking skills and a lot of people just couldn't handle stepping that far outside of their comfort zone, so it was ill received by people who hate big changes.
On a technical level, though I speak from experience in saying that the control scheme, once I got used to it [which took less than ten minutes of experience per type, if that], offered unique advantages and interesting challenges that the regular schemes in Star Fox 64 just didn't have.
It would have sold better with a more traditional control scheme, but it would also have lost a lot of interesting moments of gameplay in the process and probably would have been looked at as a much more by-the-numbers remake than it is now.

Edit: I'm not blaming all consumers.
Saying that there are some gamers that will get good with the controls and some that won't, or will struggle with them, isn't blaming them; it's just a fact that some gamers don't have the skill level that this game demands of them through its controls, and thus won't have as much fun with it.
There's nothing shameful about that, but that's no reason to say the game is objectively bad.

I'm blaming you, for throwing a blanket claim over the game being bad, which is a fallacy since there are plenty out there that aren't having these issues you're whining so much over.
The only one "desperately" doing anything here, is you, desperately claiming that it's the game's fault for being a bad game that you just can't control well, despite others showing that it is indeed possible to control the game with ease.

You can have as many buddies with world records for blazing through the story as you want; that doesn't change my personal experience with it nor the personal experience of others who are similar, and from what I've played of it, and from what many others have experienced and talked about as well, I can tell you that you're objectively wrong when saying that it's a bad game due to the controls.
You're just merely ignoring anyone who says they aren't having issues with the game's controls, as if those people are liars.

And don't even TRY laying accusations of spinning on others; you're practically the Centrifuge of N4G when it comes to spinning anything that Nintendo does into a negative.
If your buddy was struggling with the controls and felt that the learning curve was too difficult, then that's on him; that doesn't erase the fact that there are plenty of others that are not having the same issues that he, and more obviously you, are having with adjusting to the control scheme.

The game did fail because of the controls not being similar enough to entries in the past, but that's not the same as them being bad; it just means that most players didn't like them because of the differences or not being able to do well with them.

As a person that has enjoyed Star Fox since the inception of the series, who has had none of the issues with controlling it that you obviously have;
GIT GUD.
It's a poor craftsman that blames his tools when they're perfectly capable of doing the job well. That trophy of your pal's doesn't mean much when he has to struggle with the controls just to earn it, while people with likely less than half of his dedication are playing, and having fun, with the game's controls with far less difficulty handling it, and aren't complaining about the game being "bad" because of them.

[BullyMangler]

your friend became overwhelmed by SFZ . not me. SFZ 8.8/10

[maniacmayhem]

Edmix,

So you're judging a game by watching an experience your friend had while speed running it?

Sorry, but that automatically disqualifies you from having any opinion about the game. How about you play it for yourself and then come back and tell us what you experienced instead of living through others.

[Chocoburger]

Super Mario Maker was a better received game and thus sold better. Star Fox Zero simply wasn't the game people wanted it to be, thus it sold poorly. Give people a true sequel to Star Fox 64 with traditional controls and watch as it makes an actual profit.

Nintendo has a chance to re-release the game for NX with tweaks and improvements, including traditional controller support. If they do this, they may actually make some money off the game.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Amen!

I'm surprised in this day and age that it's even being brought up to just create a normal Star Fox I never asked to reinvent the wheel consumers never beg for an exclusive motion game. they sure are always into trying to sell a gimmick and the game failed horribly this is one of the biggest reasons why I personally want their next device to have zero gimmicks because they seem to literally Implement them and games so incorrectly to force the gimmick they end up ruining the game.

this was not the best Star Fox in any respect.

[-Foxtrot]

Well it's their own fault...it just lacked what was expected. Hell I've seen fake screenshots over the years which looked better then what we got, basically what we should have got. It shows you how Nintendo can't add a lot in their games despite their long dev times, the only reason other games they have feel "full" is that they usually have a previous game behind it to add onto. New Super Mario Bros DS - New Super Mario Bros Wii - New Super Mario Bros 2 (3DS) - New Super Mario Bros U etc while Star Fox hasn't had a game for a while meaning they didn't have a Wii game to easily add onto.

http://i2.wp.com/nintendo24...

I really disliked the new one, it wasn't the same. Hell I enjoyed Star Fox Adventure more...I know blasphemy but I did.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Hell I enjoyed Star Fox Adventure more" LOL! Agreed.

[Vegamyster]

I just don't get why they didn't use a normal control sceme instead of shoehorning in awkward controls, that's the main reason i lost interest, i just wanted a classic style Star Fox game without the gimmicks.

[Germany7]

To be honest, i would love a remaster of Star Fox Adventure for Wii U or NX, they could include Assault on this edition as well.

[StormLegend]

Why are you saying it like Starfox Adventure was a bad game?? Because it's not. It's my favorite one out of the starfox games.

[-Foxtrot]

Because I've seen a lot of people who didn't like it

Personally, despite liking the older games I think it was miles better

I know this is the entire point of the older games, but just moving a ship up, down, left, right while blasting things gets a little boring after a while. I mean at the time with the N64 I was blown away, I loved it but because times have changed and we've experienced so much more it doesn't really cut it...it's like a bonus level or maybe a few small sections you would get in a bigger game.

That's why I loved Star Fox Adventure, it evolved naturally in my opinion. You could still have the olld style but they would be small sections within the game

Star Fox should have evolved more in it's Action-adventure game with platforming elements while having the original games style as a way of moving from planet to planet....like in Kingdom Hearts.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I think people don't like it because it's basically not even a Star Fox game.

@Fox - no offence Fox but even though I like Star Fox Adventures I like what it is as a game not as a Star Fox game. They very much should have just made a new IP and this is one of the reasons why I dislike this publisher so much they love forcing and abusing the crap out of their intellectual properties and they need to just makenough new IPs if they really have new Concepts as opposed to trying to turn other ideas into something else in fear of rejection...

Yuji Naka from Sega did this often and I personally feel that the downfall of his career was fear of rejection and fear of showing A New Concept and being rejected he was always trying to force Sonic games to be something they never were and the majority of the installed base was confused at what these games were supposed to be.

That being said Star Fox Adventures is not a terrible game but it's questionable as to why it's using the Star Fox property. If anything they could have just made it as ide series that literally was just about the action adventure and platforming but no I do not agree that Star Fox needs to evolve to be a completely different genre that's beyond insane and makes absolutely no sense that's like saying Killzone needs to evolve into being a racing game.

it makes much more sense to just split the series if they honestly feel that the concept is worth it, don't force people who are Starfox fans to play another genre. Split the series and call it a day.

I have no clue why so many people are so gun-ho to make this into an either-or situation there are many franchises that split their IPs to different genres or side games , Resident Evil and Megaman are some of the few that do that.

[The 10th Rider]

Honest question here: Even if the game used regular controls, do you think it still would have sold?

I'm of the opinion that no, it wouldn't have. The game is quite close to Star Fox 64, and those clamoring for a 'real' Star Fox game got what they asked for, outside of the controls. The controls were decently received a lot of places, but it was the other things that still bogged it down. Star Fox just isn't a game that people will buy a console for, with the Wii U headed out the door it was doomed to fail from the start.

Honestly I think the game would have done much better stripped of its unique control scheme, given updated graphics, and released as an NX launch title. It still wouldn't look mind-blowing and it would still be short, but I think that would be overlooked as a console launch title. Heck, even if it was a Wii U launch title and had the awkward control scheme, I think it still would have been received far better. It's like Skyward Sword all over again, launched far too late in the console's lifespan to really be relevant.

[Concertoine]

I don't think it would have either, mainly because it was not even really a new game. It;s basically a remake of 64 but not a reboot, or a re-imagining, or anything. Nintendo didn't even know what to call it. After the Star Fox 64 remake on 3DS only a few years ago this was just beating the dead horse. People asked for a game like 64... they got plenty of it now.

When i always said "get Platinum to make a star fox game" I imagined some bullet-hell inspired sci-fi stunner that had all the thrill of Vanquish but in flight combat. Maybe bring in some of the cooler elements of Command with the RPG elements and different endings. Hell look at the fan film A Fox in Space - they know what to do with star fox.

[CrimsonWing69]

Man this sucks if it's the case. Star Fox is fantastic but Nintendo has to make use of their busted gimmicks. God forbid we just have the option to play the game like a traditionally controlled game...

Thanks Nintendo for dropping the ball on the game and then killing the series because nobody wants to pay for your turd of a game.

I guess look on the bright-side, at least they didn't censor the game.

[Godmars290]

How could they not just make a simple Starfox game?

Oh wait, nevermind: Nintendo!

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Shigeru Miyamoto likely was responsible for the heavy usage of the gamepad and motion controls. Shigeru Miyamoto sometimes has brilliant ideas; it was him who decided that Metroid Prime should be first person and have a scanning system. This time around Miyamoto's input might have been detrimental to the reception of the game.

[The 10th Rider]

I don't really think the unique controls were the one thing that damned the game. Even on sites where the controls were received favorably, the game didn't do too hot. The rest of the game followed Star Fox 64 quite closely, and it was ultimately that that hurt it. When they make a new Star Fox game they need to rethink not the gameplay, but the level structure (IE:How you get 'missions', unlockables, etc...The real content and meat of the game.)

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

@ 10th

Very much agreed.
The controls were a hit or miss situation, but the fact that there were a still-reasonable amount of people that didn't have any issues controlling the game and having fun with it, shows that the controls, while divisive, weren't the real underlying issue with the game's poor reception. [it was just the one that was most vocalized, but I digress]

As you said, I think that not having enough differences in story, and more prominently not featuring some sort of robust online multiplayer mode, were the factors that hurt the game the worst.
Had they formulated a whole new story for the game and connected many of the ideas into it, instead of retreading so much familiar ground, they might have seen more success.

And while I feel the visuals were fine as they were, obviously I'm in the minority, because a lot of people felt that the visuals weren't good despite being HD, so that was probably a factor as well, much as I dislike having to say so. *shrugs*

[Thatguy-310]

It's common sense. Create a shitty game and people won't support it. Did they expect Millions to buy it regardless of quality?

[Cdn_Seahawks_Fan]

Maybe if they listened to early criticisms of the control scheme prior to its release. Sheeesh.

[D2K]

This is HIS OPINION that HE doesn't see StarFox going forward. He doesn't have any information from Nintendo at all so people need to rest easy. That being said, StarFox games haven't exactly been a cash cow for Nintendo in their last few efforts. The last five games have sold less than 5 million copies combined. You can't have efforts like that from a 1st party IP. Especially when it's Nintendo where 1st party is all they really have.

If someone can show Miyamoto to door and hand him is pension on the way out maybe another development team can revitalize StarFox in the future. The stench of failure from StarFox Zero is still too strong right now. It'll have to be a late-gen NX title I think.

[Germany7]

No way, this is awful.
I really like Star Fox, it would be a shame.

[LOL_WUT]

Well to be fair, the public's reception towards this game wasn't all that positive. ;)

[Germany7]

;)

[TwoForce]

Jesus Christ, Nintendo !

[StormLegend]

If you would have made Starfox Adventure 2 or a remake of the first one, you would've made a profit. Also Starfox Zero was like a remaster of the N64 one, It didn't even look good.

[deafdani]

It wasn't a remaster, it was a remake.

[killer876]

he didnt say it was one
he said it was like one

and he is right imo

[Razuel]

Star Fox brought a new visual and gameplay experience to the SNES that was unheard of on consoles at that time. What we have today on the Wii U does not impress.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Well this game is doo doo. 64 is way better

[kayoss]

That's because people who owns a wii u is so low, so sales will suffer. Here an example. There are about 40 million people who owns a ps4, but how many copies of uncharted 4 were sold? Compared to number of console out there to how many uc4 sold, it's very small.

[Metallox]

No. Check sales of Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon and come back later. High attach rates are entirely possible.

Also, does the term demographics ring a bell for you? Uncharted isn't a game for anyone, and that's to be expected. With the Wii U, on the other hand, most of its userbase is composed by Nintendo fans and kids, so games focused on these people sell quite well for the most part, even if the total units out there is not so high.

[ZeekQuattro]

Star Fox will probably end up like F-Zero now and be reduced to cameos in games. Star Fox now like F-Zero doesn't sell anymore. Its a shame really. If people vote with their wallets and not buy Federation Force the Metroid series will be another causality. I don't think that series can survive another under performing game.

[Kurdishcurse]

Good. SF was part of my childhood, but its about time nintendo starts to realize farting out talentless sequels wont get them anywhere. Maybe they should try something they threw away a long time ago...and that something was creativity.

[Lbolt187]

destroying a franchise because of a shitty gimmicky console?? Hopefully Nintendo tanks with the NX and are bought cause Nintendo just wasting so many good franchises.

[DualWielding]

a game with graphics from 2 generations ago an a gimmicky control scheme nobody liked was not profitable on the least popular console on the market... what a surprise!!!

[AKR]

I've actually been enjoying the game. Anyway, controversial controls or not, Star Fox has always typically been a small franchise. I mean, think about it. The series has been in existence for the past 20+ years, and there are only six entries (seven if you want to count the 64 remake on 3DS). On top of that, these releases have been spaced out on a generational basis. So yeah, Star Fox has NEVER been a big franchise for Nintendo.

[blawren4]

Agreed, This has never been a huge seller. You can count on NIntendo to try something new, which is what I expect from them. Often they work, soemtimes they don't. I haven't played this game yet, but I've never played a Starfox game before. Looking forward to experiencing this without nostalgia blinding my ability to accept new ideas.

[BullyMangler]

SFZ is not what they say it is. I have it, and it has many diff ways to play it. Not repetitive forced controls at all. lol

[PizzaSteve]

Not surprise. No one wants to pay $60 for a PS2 looking game. Look how great Ratchet & Clank looks and it's $40. Star Fox Zero and Metroid Prime Federation Force are both a slap to the face of the fans. Nintendo can only blame themselves and they got the money to do better but they choose to be cheap. I bet Insomniac would make a great Star Fox if given the rights.

[lunatic0001]

its not about the looks..if you are basing how good/ price of a game should be because of graphics..you sir are one ignorant person...the reason this game flopped was because nintendo doesn't know how to get with the times...a "re-imagining" of star fox 64 instead of a proper sequel...no mp in which this game could have had some epic dog fights....control scheme with mixed reception...not to mention it was really short on content...it was doomed to fail...i think its safe to say that graphics is the very least of its problems

[PlatinumGX]

It's too bad, the game itself is good, and the controls are solid. Really wish more shooters had motion controls since it's way more precise than the right analog stick.

[blawren4]

I totally agree with motion control aiming. Splatoon is incredibly awkward and imprecise to me when aiming with the right analog. I hope this scheme makes it to every shooter in the future. I might actually like shooters again.

[deafdani]

The problem for most people isn't the motion aiming (seeing how Splatoon did just fine), but the 2 screen focus. Yes, the game is perfectly playable, but it would've been even better if all the action happened in the TV screen, and not forced you to switch between one screen and the other in the middle of a fairly hectic action game.

It's just not a good mix. The Gamepad is much better suited for more passive roles, like map and inventory, and overall management. Games like Zombi U, Xenoblade Chronicles X, Zelda Wind Waker HD and Super Mario Maker, and Splatoon itself (which uses the gamepad screen only to quick-jump to teammates' locations in the map) got this right. Star Fox Zero, in my opinion, didn't.

I still enjoyed the game a lot, though. But I can see why so many people disliked, or outright hated it. That 2 screen dynamic was always bound to end up very divisive.

[FallenAngel1984]

To think that so many people were saying that this game would be the title to carry Wii U through holiday 2015.

[Metallox]

We didn't expect it to be trash, though.

We didn't expect that Nintendo would release a game that barely looks better than Star Fox 64 3D, HD aside.

I thought that Nintendo at.the.very.least would offer us the option of playing the game without motion controls.

This shouldn't be the end of Star Fox at all, Nintendo must have had acknowledged from the very beginning that a game in these conditions wouldn't be embraced by fans. I don't imagine otherwise.

[deafdani]

The problem isn't the motion controls, it's the 2 screen focus. Look at my post above.

[BlackIceJoe]

I know l might get some hate for this, but it is okay, Nintendo should just make an online only Star Fox game. This could be a huge game for Nintendo too, just thinking of all the cool dog fights you could have in the Star Fox universe is amazing.

The best idea of describing how I'd like to see the game is looking at Warhawk and what Free Radical was planning on doing with Battlefront. That to me l could see would become a big system seller for Nintendo. Because with Nintendo's new system coming out soon, they'll need some big shooter games and l understand Nintendo wants to do its own thing, but they also need to woo the crowd that will play these types of games.

So a Star Fox game could be the next big thing, but they need to not reinvent the wheel and instead just release the game without all these new ideas, because if it isn't broke don't fix it. There is a reason after all that almost all shooter games have the same style of play, because people love that style and when people try to make something different it fails. So just give people the game they want and don't give it a new spin.

[Metallox]

The garbage of Star Fox Zero wasn't profitable? Oh my, how surprising...

This makes me more worried about MonolithSoft, whose last game, Xenoblade Chronicles X, surely digested way more resources and has barely sold above of 500K units, according to the game's data.

But apparently Nintendo doesn't care at all, the studio is already planning their next title as if nothing had happened. So I don't hold my breath, I still expect another elaborated game from them.

[Evil-Gouki]

I personally think that Mr Miyamoto is the problem, always pushing for innovation over tested, traditional control schemes. Nevertheless I still made that purchase >.<

[FlyingFoxy]

If they hadn't have shoved mandatory motion controls in there and made them optional like in Mario Kart then I'm sure it would have sold better.. I got downvoted for saying there shouldn't be mandatory motion controls before.. but whatever, i still say that's the main issue. I mean Nintendo knew that Command failed big time because of the motion controls but they made the same mistake twice here.

Maybe they should have just waited and made it for the NX instead, then it could have had great graphics and no motion controls to deal with.

[benji101]

LOL analyst. Good one. Dude is banned from Neogaf for being a liar. ..

[objdadon]

Who cares

[Stealth20k]

1) He is not an analyst
2) He does not know how much the game was to make. He is guessing

I guess that constitutes a ridiculous article now huh?

[Darkfist]

A game thats short with little content and gimmicky controls being sold at 60$, im sure its profitable with some of the idiots who bought and praise it at full price.

[mcstorm]

This is on my list of must buy games for my WiiU when I have got through my backlog.

[Stealth20k]

Star Fox I am sure made profit. This article is not factual in any way whatsoever.

[_-EDMIX-_]

.... I mean you don't actually know that so I'm not sure why you would even say that

[BioDead]

They should make another StarFox Adventure. That game is GOOD! And not make those shooters and just flying in space. They need to make Starfox Adventure 2!!!!

[WickedLester]

It shouldn't be. But it does need to be the end of shoddy programming and lack of ambition. That's what Star Fox Zero suffered from, not the IP itself.

@ShadowWolf712 - Exactly! Nintendo wants to immediately blame the IP when that wasn't the issue. There's still plenty of people who love Star Fox as a brand. However Nintendo released a half assed game on a dying console. How did they expect it to sell? They need to go back to the drawing board completely with Star Fox. They need to let go of the past and start developing this IP with modern sensibilities! For one, a pre-scripted, on-rails shooter has no place in 2016! Star Fox levels need to be a completely open, fly anywhere you want experience. Second, ONLINE MULTIPLAYER DOGFIGHTING! I mean, really Nintendo? Even Star Fox 64 had 4 player split screen dogfighting. Did you honestly think people wouldn't want it in online form in 2016? Third, develop a better story! The Star Fox anime thing was awesome! Why can't your games have that kind of story telling? Fourth, throw some production value at this franchise! Star Fox zero basically looked like an up rez'd Gamecube game. I'm not saying it has to look like Ace Combat but you could've easily made a better looking game. And third, ditch the gimmicky control schemes or at least give gamers full option to use traditional controls.

[lunatic0001]

i liked it but i can see why this game flopped...i think the reason it wasn't well received is that nintendo needs to STOP re-imagining, remaking, re-skinning star fox 64...can we just get a proper sequel damn it..not to mention the controls (which i must say are pretty cool if you really try to learn them...at least for me) but i can see why people don't like it...combine both of those problems and you have a recipe for disaster...if this ends up being true RIP STAR FOX :(

[InTheZoneAC]

it was non profitable because it was garbage and sold on a system that has a very very very small consumer base.

did it lose money though? Because if it didn't you were paid for your work and there is nothing to whine about.

[aerisbueller]

Kindof a stupid decision, and I'm not even a StarFox fan. Wii-U's crappiness coupled with their insistence to make it do twice the work with the second screen/second view ensured it would look like an N64 game. Despite what everyone associated with Nintendo likes to think, people don't want to play games that look like garbage, and this doesn't have any of the charm of games that target a retro feel like TowerFall or Minecraft have. This looks like a cellphone game that really tried to look like a modern console game. Secondly, it's a shooter on rails. Sometimes it's ok to move your gameplay forward a little bit, even if it means alienating a few people who can't stand anything that isn't exactly how it was 20 years ago, though I suppose expanding the freedom of movement might have required a beefier spec. In any case, as they do with their hardware every new console gen, rather than making a substantial change, they decided that a gimmick would pull people in.

[superchiller]

Nintendo most certainly lost money on Star Fox Zero. The estimated total sales went from 330k as of April 30th, to 280k on May 14th (according to vgchartz). Numbers were adjusted DOWN because of poor sales, and there is no way Nintendo could have made any money with such dismal sales.

In the end, Nintendo got exactly what they deserved for releasing such a poor game. Sadly, that probably does mean that there won't be any future Star Fox games, although I could see them porting it to the NX and fixing the terrible controls.

[RPGrinder]

1) There is never a situation when VGchart number are correct. Devs tell us all the time that VGchart numbers are to be ignored.

2) Star Fox sold more than Quantum Break that month, charted in the NPD and continues to sell. Games that have sold less than Star Fox make profit. Unless you work for Nintendo, you will never know.

3) The game received mostly 7-10 scores from the biggest and most respected publications. Poor to you, not poor to most people.

[TheHaydenator]

All they had to do is make a new Star Fox with normal controls and they couldn't even do that. Its not the consumers fault if they make a bad game.

[MilkMan]

If it failed, it was Nintendo and specifically Miyamotos fault. Period. Game is straight up garbage.

[Kidmyst]

Am I the only one who has never heard of ZHugeEX? But is Star fox not profitable because not a lot of gamers own WiiU's and those that do may not want Star Fox to begin with?

[aerisbueller]

I was originally thinking that, but I think games like mario kart and splatoon are well within what they consider profitable and if this game approached those sales they wouldn't have considered it a failure

[Yetter]

It pretty dumb when someone makes an awful game from an exisitng IP and the IP is blamed. StarFox is great, StarFox zero is not

[cimerians]

Nobody asked for those types of controls. Paper Mario is another example, who on earth wanted these changes? Stop forcing me to play a certain way. Stop asking me to play a game on a controller. Nintendo just needs to ask what people want, that's it. Its easier today than ever before to do this. Unbelievable.

[Antifan]

Nintendo wanted to ride the nostalgia train with their on-the-rails gameplay, and Gamecube style graphics, then add a little touch of motion gimmicks. Nintendo still thinks motion control is still a thing.

[Bronxs15]

But by most accounts the game just did not look like w game we expect today. It was so disappointing when I was hyped for Nintendo e3 last year and saw that as their big reveal. Plus the stuff that came b4 like happy home designer and animal crossing party just made me lose enthusiasm for Wii and it's ecosystem

[Segata]

I liked the game. Once you get used to the controls it makes perfect sense. Also he is a ANALyst so he is guessing. Starfox on DS was not received greatly either and the series took a 10 year break. Nintendo never ends their familiar IPs. They just give them long breaks. Metroid was 8 years at it's longest. Starfox was a full decade before another new game. They will make another game and that's a fact. The question is not if but when.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

I hope that Nintendo does not adhere to steadfastly to it's software sales numbers and instead reads the reviews add revamps the current engine to deliver a cheap downloadable online title. If they add the gameplay they then could selll the game cheaply in their shop adding dlc maps from time to time.

[RPGrinder]

1) He is not an analyst - Strike 1, He is just a guy on twitter who likes to talk numbers. That does not make someone an analyst.
2) The game sold extremely well. More than Quantum Break the same month. 500K+ Globally according to Mediacreate+NPD+Europe - Strike 2
3) We have no idea how much the game cost. Games that sold way less than Star Fox make profit - Strike 3.