Bioware Right to Criticize Rumored Sony PS4K Console

Anthony Snellings of GamersFTW writes, "It’s going to be an interesting year in the console wars.

There are some big technological advances ready to shake things up for gamers and developers alike. Virtual reality, once a cheesy 90s movie concept inexpertly simulated in some of the crappiest consoles ever built, is looming over the horizon, and ultra high definition televisions are starting to catch on, offering consumers premium viewing experiences at a slightly less than premium cost. With Sony looking to stay ahead this generation, it’s no surprise that the internet has been rumbling with talk a new updated consoles."

[AizenSosuke]

PS4K a potential game-changer or end of Sony find out on the next episode of N4G!!!!

[Erik7357]

Can we just stop with this stupid ps4 4k crap?

Like it won't happen unless Sony comes out with a 1500+ dollar console and why would they do that when their VR can't even go past 1080p! This rumor is so stupid it's not even funny!

If we get a ps4 that can run better looking games it'll be $400 and the current ps4 will have a $100 price cut. If it's a big enough upgrade that it'll run games that run at 30fps on current ps4 to 60fps ( only a select few of games at that) and it'll be $500-$600 dollars then depending on what games it can run at 60! Of course in this scenario the current ps4 would of course get a $100 price cut and be $300 as well with the "60fps" ps4 being at $500-$600.

But of course all of this could be bullcrap but I could see Sony wanting to release atleast a slightly beefed up ps4 to compete with NX or be more powerful than it.

Microsoft probably won't do anything and it kinda just looks like there done with consoles and trying to make Windows 10 appeal to gamers and have its own xboxlive eco system.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Fries- "Like it won't happen unless Sony comes out with a 1500+ dollar"

Not really. They could mean 4K upscaled, the could also mean 4K display, movies, but not games. Who knows.

[Omegasyde]

I think its true.

All it is a ps4 with upscaler to 4k..... everything else will be the same. I dont own a 4k tv so its doesnt apply to me.

[Mr Pumblechook]

Article headline is not quite honest. In the original Gamespot article, Greg Zeschuk is not talking specifically about PS4K, he is talking about any .5 console and gives an example using the Xbox DVD.

The fact that he is talking openly about it means he has not signed an NDA therefore Bioware haven't seen a .5 console! It doesn't mean they don't exist but this is interesting because it means one of the biggest RPG studios haven't seen it. Either 0.5 is not happening or is perhaps not so near.

[SaveMeJebus]

My favorite color is chips.

[uth11]

I agree it's a stupid idea, but that doesn't mean it's not true though. Console history is littered with bad ideas that became products or misleading product marketing.

The Atari Jaguar comes to mind, marketed as the first "64-bit" system, yet only had one coprocessor with a 64-bit bus and wasn't truly 64-bit. The PS4K could be marketed as the first 4K console, even if it doesn't deliver a true 4K experience.

It could do this in several ways:
1) 4K upscaler (TVs can generally do this though)
2) Less demanding/Indie games play in 4K, AAA games not so much
3) Render games at 1440p and upscale to 4K. It could do this with the rumored 2X GPU power. This would look better than 1080 upscaled, and many people wouldn't notice the difference in all honesty.

Or it could just be 4K for media, but still have the rumored 2X GPU that can play enhanced PS4 games at 1080p.

[Satou]

I think they need to go with 30-50% more power for 900p games to get patched to 1080p, or for VR games to get 90 fps. Add in 4k upscaler, 4k streaming, and SATA III, and you've got a PS4k. I'd buy one.

[rainslacker]

The only current games that would likely benefit from a frame rate boost would be those that don't have locked frame rates(that sometimes see dips). Most games on console nowadays are designed around the frame buffer pipeline to run their subroutines, so a game would have to be encoded with new pipelines to accommodate more power. At best, you'd see more solid frame rate on games that get dips, but I'm not aware of PS4 having a lot of problems with such a thing.

Patches could of course be implemented with interpolate the frames to allow the subroutines to only hit every other frame though, but it's not quite the same effect.

I doubt either company is going to explore an upgrade path of this nature this gen, and next gen is still up in the air, and ultimately, probably still not worth it for the long term.

@Pumble

Very good point about the NDA's. However, at the same time, Sony may not have any real info to give out to devs yet which would warrant such a thing. But that does lend credence to the fact that this is likely a ways off and not for the immediate future if it is a thing.

[nitus10]

You should be aware that the 4K BluRay specifications were only ratified just on a year ago and it is only now that the three layer BluRay players are hitting the market.

It is quite possible that the so called PS4K will support the new 4K BluRay standard which would probably mean some minor performance improvements.

Also the costs between the PS4 and the PS4K would not be that great, with the PS4K probably costing about US$400 which would put it on par with many of the 4K BluRay players that are appearing on the market.

Even now all PS4's can play 4K content such as Files and certain BluRay's so with exception of adding a 4K BluRay player to the PS4 with the possibility of up-scaling PS4 games not allot will change.

Of course it must be realised that most 4K displays can up-scale as well so the PS4K may not even have a 4K up-scaler.

Assuming the PS4K will have the ability to play 4K games is just a pipe dream since it would increase the price of the PS4K too much not to mention the form factor such as requiring a higher rating power supply and better cooling.

Even now unless you own a PC with a fairly expensive graphics card or cards most so called high end PC's can barely do true 4K gaming.

Assuming the PS4K does play 4K games then Sony would effectively split it's users base which is not a smart business move.

Basically the bottom line is plenty of rumores and not enough facts.

[DeadlyFire]

I agree Fries I agree.

PS4K/PS4.5 is one of two or three things.
- PS4 SKU with 4K upscaling or HDMI 2.0/HDMI 1.4 support.
- PS5 early test build. Based on Polaris, but in reality PS5 could be on AMD Vega or Navi when its released in 2018 or so. Its wise to test things early.
- PS VR specs. Has anyone actually checked the internal specs on that thing? Its possible it sports some custom modified AMD CPU/GPU tech. Because well its to render things up to 90/120 Hz or 90/120 fps at 1080p. Right?

Also well PSVR is to come with a 2ndary thing to help it display that resolution I do believe Sony said. Here is an exact quote from a site. Said to be the size of the Wii. I Personally believe it could be a small SOC containing AMD Polaris APU tech. As its been said recently at GDC that Polaris 11 ran VR buttery smooth. Therefore no PS4 game enhancements unless its a VR game that works on console and VR then the VR set gives it a boost to reach its minimum fps. Just a thought.
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Although the PlayStation 4 is currently incapable of rendering games at such a high frame rate, Sony’s chief of PlayStation has stated that a software update will address this. It will also be aided by a small additional unit, roughly the size of a Nintendo Wii, which connects to the PS4 in order to convert the headset's visuals for display on a standard TV.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Agreed @Fries. This *expletive* is really getting old.

[Unspoken]

Sony is going to get blasted if it isn't 4K resolution and they market their console as 4K. And if it is only for movies and media then they completely lost their focus on gamers yet again. First Vue and now this.

No wonder their game library is mediocre and doesn't hold a candle to the PS2 and 3.

[Michiel1989]

so everyone has to be quiet and you are the only one who can speak your opinion (and even try to pass it as fact)?

Im glad you got all the sony insights, are you Yoshida's secretary?

[jrshankill]

Has anyone really stepped back and thought...

"Would a 4k console really change how much I enjoy gaming?"

Honestly? I'm asking seriously, are people really desperate for 4K console gaming?

[Sparta07]

@ fries, I 100% agree with you on everything you said.

[Randostar]

Too many different sources have confirmed it for it to be fake at this point.

[Dragonking007]

-to be continued jojo theme plays-

[_-EDMIX-_]

read it in DBZ voice!

[GrubsterBeater]

Then it would take 10 articles to slowly confirm or deny the rumor, and in that time period, a PlayStation gaming franchise dies and is then resurrected at least 3 times.

Lol

[rainslacker]

Narrative needs to keep changing so websites can draw this whole rumor out for as many hits as possible.

I've become aware of this trend by watching the days of our N4Gies reruns...which are actually not reruns...but are because they lack any original thought process or meaningful discourse. I feel the gaming press is in a constant state of trying to reboot old stories no one cares about anymore.

[EddieNX]

Maybe it will just upscale to 4k and play 4k media. if it was massively more powerfull theyd have to ditch the Old Ps4 or make two versions of each game?? confusing

[MAULxx]

My thoughts are that it will still be a PS4 with slightly upgraded hardware. I think it will also upscale to 4k.
Games will run on either machine, orig PS4 or PS4.5 it's just if you have the .5 you'll see some boost in performance. That is depending on how game developers handle it of course. You could see a better frame rate on the .5 or something similar.
The games would play on either system. No one will "need" to upgrade to the .5. It will just be an option to do so. I have no problems at all with that.
This is just my thoughts on this matter. Sony isn't talking about it yet so we'll just have to wait & see.

[DeadlyFire]

Its just early PS5 test build that was leaked with 4K upscaling or another SKU of the PS4 itself. I don't expect we will see final product until 2018 or later if its PS5. Although NX is launching in 2017 so. It would be wise to have a potential next gen product ready to compete with it maybe. PS5 when it exists will likely run every PS4 game as its very likely x86 based and running off the same OS with new hardware under the shell when it comes.

PS4k, PS4.5 will NEVER release. PS4 SKU with some extra quirks for 4K upscaling media like HDMI 2.0 or HDMI 1.4 sure. Production cost might be higher than the norm, but the price will be the same as any PS4 SKU on the shelf. Just with added 4K support marked on the box.

[esemce]

Yeah it will be just a refresh adding a 4k scaler etc, just like when the newer 360's got the HDMI output they were not more powerful but just had added functions.

[Juiceid]

And that alone would be worth purchasing for some people. Anyone looking into getting a 4K blu ray player now would find this machine a tremendous value. And it's Sony movies that are the most available in the 4K market now, I believe.

[EddieNX]

Exactly! It would be a wise move for sony. Releasing a £500+ beast surely wouldn't be wise

[fanboysmackdown]

Another stupid article on this subject. It's really simple......don't buy it if you can't afford it and if you're gonna be a whiny baby about someone having something better than you, grow up. It's not like your PS4 will all of a sudden be obsolete.

[Aenea]

And here's another one who doesn't understand it's not just about consumers willing to buy a new PS4 model alone...

[franwex]

What is it about then?

[uth11]

If that's all it was about I wouldn't be upset. What upsets me is the likely possibility that the PS4 will get crappy scaled down ports of PS4k games instead of games specifically optimized for PS4, because Sony will want to entice us to upgrade.

This is what we see everywhere else.. Phones, PCs constantly pushed to upgrade.

It's only been 3 years, it takes more than 3 years for most big games to be developed. The PS4 hasn't been fully exploited yet.

[esemce]

Not going to happen, no dev would dedicate resources on a game to add features that only a small minority of the console base can play.

[uth11]

So no developer will develop for PSVR then?

[rainslacker]

For me, it's not about not having the funds, it's more that I don't want to see the console development paradigm shift to a continuous cross-gen port mentality.

While I'd likely get the upgraded console at some point, it's just bad for the consumers all around to be stuck in an endless upgrade cycle where neither pieces of kit have the chance to truly show what they are capable of before the next big advancement comes.

Not to mention that the people this would really benefit are a very very small minority at the present time, and won't even be 1/3 of the market come the time we'd likely see a PS5 announcement anyways.

So who exactly does this serve? The very small minority. Which only makes me believe that it's not a thing, because it makes no sense for Sony to alienate so many people with a devisive idea, spend loads of money to do so, and then just go on and do it all over again the next time around.

Way to many reason why this wouldn't be a good idea for the consumer, for Sony, or for the developers, compared to the one good thing that is served to less than 5% of the actual market that currently exists out there for TV's.

[Movefasta1993]

I don't want this to happen,just wait another two years 2018 and release a huge upgrade then.5 years is solid,and by then ps4 prob would reach 75 million or more even.

[nitus10]

If you are willing to wait two years why bother with 4K. The new 8K displays are hitting the market this year and while initially expensive will drop in price fairly rapidly to the point where 4K will be sidelined.

Actually it's a bit more complicated than that. When you view a screen your face should be far enough away from the screen such that you can not see or can hardly see the pixels. Not only that but to avoid eye-strain your eyes should be able to take the in the whole screen rather then flick from side to side. A curved screen does help in this situation.

As an example and assuming the appropriate content you would be really hard pressed to tell the difference between a 6 inch 1080p and a 4K screen although you can definitely tell the difference once you increase the screen sizes.

Now lets compare 70 inch screens all being fed with appropriate content. For your eyes to take in the screen comfortably you need to sit back a reasonable distance. Having a curved scree means you can be comfortably closer. Either way you can pick up the differences between 1080p, 4K and when you can look at one 8K, however those differences are not as significantly different when people compared 720p to standard definition.

See the following for more information on this: http://www.crutchfield.com/...

[Movefasta1993]

I don't even care about 4k to be honest with you,i just want all my games to run at a locked 60 and look great at 1080.

The problem with 4k is,if they do go that route,then it's back to 30fps again.

[Maxor]

This is a day one for me. Anything over the current gen PS4 is much needed. The system is getting old fast.

[EddieNX]

In one what way? Gaming is about games not tech. The Ps4's graphics are great unless you're a PC elitist. Not everybody drives Bughatti's.

[Maxor]

Not everybody drive Corrolas. Its not all about the graphics either, it's about the performance. Play The Uncharted Collection in 60 fps. Now go play any typical game in that garbage 30 fps which the PS4 struggles to maintain. The difference is brutal.

At this point I'll take any performance or upgrade over the current gen, even if all it does is to keep a stable 30 FPS.

[superterabyte]

@Maxor 'Typical game' defined as what exactly? The truth of the matter is that the PS4 runs most games perfectly fine and the lack of power is greatly exaggerated. Also your analogy doesn't really work as a Corrolla is a perfectly capable car which'll get you where you need to go as easily as a Bugatti will.

[esemce]

They are great unless you are also a PC gamer and have gotten used to the fluidity of a locked 60fps.

[Germany7]

Dumb comment, again, it's not a surprise anymore.

[kraenk12]

You're seriously using the Uncharted collection as an example?! Have you even seen the latest Uncharted 4 video?!

[Bolts]

UC 4 is 30 FPS with 60 FPS multiplayer. In some games dat 60 FPS is a huge difference. It really makes you feel like you have a powerful system. I would take performance over scale and graphics over any day of the week. If the PS4k is real and if it does offer performance upgrades then I'm buying.

Just consider how much time you spend on your PS4. It's totally worth it. Plus I have badass 4K TV :)

[pabadamus1]

Well written piece. It echoes my sentiments perfectly. There isn't a need for a 1/2 iteration. If Sony wanted to take this trajectory it should have been announced before the release of the PS4. PS4k would introduce a lot of confusion in the market regardless of what is being upgraded in the box. Consoles have followed the convention of a static spec. Consumers expect this (rightfully or not) when they buy these closed boxes. Again, if they wanted to do things differently this time we should have known about this 2.5 years ago before PS4 launched.

[jb227]

I agree with a lot of your points, but the article has one fatal flaw:

PS4K doesn't exist yet. For all we know all a PS4K would do is allow 4k upscaling for games and native 4k video playback. Everything is just a rumor right now.

So is it right to criticize an imaginary prospect? Not quite. I'd rather wait until E3 & see what comes of it. Until then journalists are wasting words & we are wasting precious time talking about something that is a nebulous idea w/ no real concrete facts behind it.

[pabadamus1]

You are correct. This is all conjecture and rumor until there is actual, official confirmation. I am never the alarmist and I usually wait for the facts. This article in particular caught me because we have a dev acknowledging and admonishing what may be an inevitability. There is just too much smoke around this issue.

[_-EDMIX-_]

", if they wanted to do things differently" what if the don't? What if this is do to PS4's sales and not something they planned for years?

You are assuming that they are making a system they wanted to make years ago.

Also multiple skus is normal in gaming bud. PSONE, PS2 slim, PS3 slim, PS3 ultra slim, 360 Pro, 360 Elite etc.

PS4.5 or PS4k or what ever could merely just be another sku that still plays PS4 games but upscaled in 4K.

Consider the publishers can just update their games to run better on PS4k ie it won't have exclusive games, it will just run better on PS4K.

The market is used to multiple skus of platforms bud, more then you think.

[franwex]

Sir, I believe you hit the nail on the head! Well said.

[pabadamus1]

Jb227 made the best point so far. We don't have any official confirmation as to what this thing is or even if it is an actual thing. My comment is based solely on a prevalent rumor. With that being said, I cannot argue any further on the topic without making a bunch of assumptions.

As for the PS3 slim et al they were nothing more than changes to the chassis, HDD size, WIFI capability... Nothing more. There weren't any fundamental changes made to the CPU or GPU. The differences between the PS4 and the alleged PS4.5 would see fundamental changes to the chipset.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Panda- I don't disagree with you, you are correct. These are just assumptions we are making.

A change in the chipset or GPU still doesn't actually change much in the grand scheme of things. Did 360 and PS3 not get smaller CPUs in those new skus?

Did 360 not also get a HDMI port afterwards or something?

You can still change some hardware in new sku, as MOST new skus are not 100% the last version. This is merely the degree of change, I'm fine with it having those changes as if you are worried that the install base is changing or being fractured, that can only really happen if the platform is getting its own games.

The goal of the software company is to make money through a large install base, thus....it makes no sense making a PS4.5 exclusive. They merely can update their game to work with PS4.5 to give those enhanced features.

Cosnider this is how PC works. Do you think PC games just have 100 different versions for 100 different set ups? They just update and configure according to your set up.

Me and another person can both have gaming PCs, one has a better one, one has a weaker one. Both can still play the same game, yet have different looking versions. The company isn't making 2 games, they are merely having the optimization for the title to be ran better on certain platforms. I don't think this is going to be as wild or as crazy as some folks think.

I don't think its a bad thing, I think its a great idea if done correctly to keep things fair for publishers and consumers alike. ie no PS4.5 exclusive games, but not sure many publishers would even consider that based on the lower install base of 4.5 compared to just regular PS4.

[rainslacker]

When it comes to slims(or whatever) yeah, no confusion there, because nothing changes other than the looks and efficiency. The changes were transparent to the consumer.

But it's interesting you bring up the 360.

I recall when it released it had a couple different SKU's. The Arcade and the Elite. I also recall people were confused over the differences. Then they were confused over the difference to the followup which added in things which required additional purchases.

Maybe people's memory is fuzzy because we tend to be more informed, but to say the average consumer isn't confused is quite the overstatement.

I have witnessed first hand the confusion of the general consumer over the different itterations of the game boys over the years, and more recently with the 3DS, 2DS, and N3DS....all of which are the same system or one that is actually a different system using the same name.

Anyhow, the reason the customer doesn't get confused is because when it comes to new versions of hardware, they know that the game will run the way it's meant to regardless of which version they have. While Sony may mandate that support, they can't do so indefinitely.

I personally recall being confused over the different versions of the Turbo CD/Duo, which actually was a hardware upgrade with BC attached. The newer stuff didn't always work with the newer stuff, and after a year or so, the older consoles were not even supported anymore.

"Consider the publishers can just update their games to run better on PS4k ie it won't have exclusive games, it will just run better on PS4K. "

And consider they're more likely to just brute force things on the newer consoles and not care to optimize the legacy version that they're porting over, since they are still going to have to design it around the older hardware, that makes the most sense for the publisher.

But hey, what would I know. Of all the people around here, they obviously have spent as much time as I have in actual development meetings or studied game design, or paid enough attention to the market which they say are lazy to begin with, so it makes sense that they'd now have 100% faith in publishers or developers doing what is the best thing, instead of the easy thing.

[Omegasyde]

Its the same as a ps4..... it just has an upscaler chipset for 4k.

Hell they could release some sort of attachment to do the same thing.. wink wink

[pabadamus1]

We'll have to wait and see.

[rainslacker]

Seems redundant considering a 4K TV upscales most content anyways because the TV can not display that stuff at 1080 due to the actual pixel technology.

Many 4K TV's have decent upscalers out of necessity due to lack of 4K content and they actually work better than the 720 upscaled to 1080 in many TV's...which is also required.

What you see on screen will always be displayed in the TV's max resolution through upscaling.

[UltraNova]

@rain

Yes but how will the picture look in that 4x up-scaled form? Any links (from professional sources) with 1080p up-scaled to 4K would be nice.

[Tsunade]

Already tire of this subject. Wating for E3 to see of Sony is going to say something if not, maybe this was just a gathering information process for the PS5.

[Davi123]

They not will stop....

[jrshankill]

Stop will they not....

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

Lol "all but confirmed." You're all going to feel incredibly stupid when Sony announces that PS4K is just a console refresh capable of 4K playback and streaming. I still can't believe this rumor is even a rumor, it's so insanely asinine.

[nitus10]

The PS4 can play 4K content now. The only thing it can't do is play 3 layer 4K BluRay disks since the standard was only ratified just on a year ago and it is only now that 3 layer 4K BluRay players are appearing on the market.

Admittedly the PS4's can't play 4K games but then again only some top end PC's with expensive graphics cards can barely do that so Sony would have to do some real magic to produce a PS4K that could play 4K games while still making the console affordable.

You are quite right, basically all we are reading is rumours.

[Ipunchbabiesforfun]

Correct. I should have wrote that more clearly...the PS4 will get the new AMD chip allowing a better streaming experience while adding the ability to play 4K blu-rays as well. There's no way in hell the PS4 is playing 4K games, lol. Maybe it will include a scaler, but I'm not sure on that one.

[joeorc]

[Sony needs the PS4K to make their VR headset to be more competitive with the Occulus Rift and the HTC Vive, but one of the biggest selling points of the Playstation VR is that it’s cheaper than its competitors. Tacking on the cost of a PS4K will close that gap significantly]

Omfg...

1) of all the d@mn; lol..the playstation VR outputs to 1080p! Not 4k
2) Reprojection is always freaking on' which OculusRift & HTC Vive : Both do not have Reprojection on all the time or for that matter have their headsets running at a 120Hz refresh rate.

Consoles its about lowering price points not freaking increase the price points in a cycle..Playstation VR is a optional platform to add onto a PS4 for a new way to play playstation 4 games...not a new way to increase the Entry point further vs a platform IE: thats already open ended price points, but also open ended hardware upgrades..

So be more. Competitive with "PC VR" ?
Really?

Please stop..just stop..for the love of God...lol

[sullynathan]

former co- founder of Bioware no longer speaks for Bioware. Change the title please.

[Dannylew]

This have to happens...

because is right... and for sure i buy ps4k.. "for sure".

because can improve this "actual" game generation with "smart hardware profiles"
and honestly after 2/3/4 years.. i can spend another 400 dollars "as a gamer"...

it's simply about "updating hardware"

like a smartphone, tablet, pc, tv, wash machine ecc ecc ecc ecc ecc...

[PhoenixUp]

I don't see why people would want an upgraded console instead of just waiting for the natural successor.

[Braveheart_NZ]

Because some of us and more by the day, have 4K TV's right now(myself, I have 3) and want to be able to utilize them even if just for the upcoming 4K Blu ray movies and 4K concerts coming this year. Since Sony is playing a big part in the new Blu Ray 4K UHD disks, it makes sense for them to be able to push it and help get it out there to the masses. The added bonus will be better and consistent game frame rates etc on current 1080P games, hopefully a rock solid 60fps which seems to be a struggle on existing consoles. I for one will buy day one and sell my older PS4. I am looking forward to it.

[nitus10]

Then you should be waiting for 8K displays which are due out this year. Admittedly 8K will be initially expensive but they will come down in price and depending on screen size 8K will become the preferred screen resolution.

It will be interesting to see what graphics cards will display 8K games.

[philm87]

This is a stupid rumour. No way can they release a 4K compatible PS4, particularly for the rumoured $400. Needs to display four times as many pixels. Would be a nightmare for developers who are already largely struggling to optimize on the current system.

[Mr Lahey]

I hope to god it's bullshit.. A new PS4K is the end of this console gen for everyone who already bought a PS4. With a new half assed PS4.5 gen.. And it will keep this gen stumbling on way too long instead of getting a PS5 out.

[Hitoemi]

Ps5 will be annouced mostly 2018.

[Realplaya]

In all honesty I don't think the ps4k as they call it will do anything to games. I think it'll add a media player capable of putting out video in 4k resolution. I don't think Sony wants to run the risk of fragmenting their fans. I think the ps4 is what it is from a gaming Perspex and for Sony if they can ride it out for years that's good for them.

[barb_wire]

How's this for a rumor, found it on NeoGAF... Possible *NEW* X1 SKU incoming soon as well.. according to a FCC filing, MS is having new wireless chips tested.. no other current info is being made public.

Maybe X1 Slim for E3?

read the thread here..

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[hiawa23]

PS4k is happening. Might as well get on board. When you put Sony on top of the console mountain with little competition, few to answer to this is how it goes, as they can do as they please, or so they think,with little consequence. That aside, the 4k makes sense to me given Sonys business model, and they clearly don't care what u think.

[MetalNCarnet]

God, people are always so doom and gloom over shit like this.

Listen, if the PS4K actually exists, it won't have exclusive games. It's still a PS4. It will play PS4 games. They'll just have the option to play them in upscaled 4k and the option to turn the framerate to 60fps.

Nobody is being left in the dust. It's just like getting a new ipad or iphone. Slightly better performance but they play the same stuff.

[Artemidorus]

If I were to take a guess it could be an updated HDMI with 4K blu Ray player.

The price of a VR machine and a new "PS4K" people are hoping for is a mammoth cost so disagree all you want you are unlikely to see a console in 2016 providing 4K gaming.

[wannabe gamer]

no way they will do this for gaming. maybe to play 4k movies....but still seems like it wouldnt be worth their time honestly. most people that want to watch 4k will just buy a cheaper standalone player unless they dont own a console already perhaps but then it still seems like it wouldnt warrant enough sales.

If they did do this for gaming then they would have to acheieve it thru tricks and not actual 100% real 4k. upscaling and all that are tricks. if they did true 4k it would cost way to much to be realistic.
plus i dont think the install base of 4k sets are out there. sure there are a number of 4k sets sold but only a % of that are gamers.

[s45gr32]

You mean PC gamers with 4K tvs 😁

[Ark_]

Bioware didn't critisize anything, since Greg Zeschuk (Co-founder of Bioware) is retired since years.
Change your heading ...

[FPS_D3TH]

PS4K is a dumb idea. There's next to nobody out there who owns a 4K HD tv. Props to those who do. We'll see you next generation. VR addition is what's being built into this new PS4. Not 4K hardware. This is the dumbest rumour out there, along with WW1 BF5...

[Inzo]

How do you criticise something that is still just a rumour.

[s45gr32]

I still don't see a PS4 4K console anytime soon.

[JunMei]

If PS4K is coming out, why does everyone think it's for games? It's probably just for 4k blurays and streaming content.

[iTechHeads]

Devs always want more power it shows their games in a better light.
The only reason they would be against the PS4K is because they are lazy.

[WarPuppet96]

I now have a 65" 4k tv and my pc gaming rig is hooked up to it but I got for movies but never got a 4K blu ray player yet and I think I'll hold off on that for now but soon, as for ps4 upgrading it could happen like when the 360 got an hdmi port installed. Would I buy a new ps4 with 4K abilities, let's just say my younger kids are gonna enjoy the ps4!