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PS4/Xbox One Differences Not That Important, "Unthinkable to Go Back to 720p" - Dev

Spiders CEO talks the subtle differences between both current gen consoles.

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Cindy-rella3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

Its funny how some people like to make everything seem equal in this world so more power doesnt mean anything. Ps4 is more powerful than the Xbox one but most like to hide that fact. Ps4 has the most 1080p games for consoles while majority of the Xbox one games are in 900p.

Its not common knowledge where people know the xbox one has a weaker hardware than the ps4 because you wouldnt have people talking up cloud making xbox one 4 times as powerful as ps4 or DX12 unlocks the full potential of Xbox one making it way more powerful than the ps4. Ive seen a lot of people saying that the xbox one is more powerful than ps4. Even me talking about hardware power will garner a lot of disagrees.

Bathyj3633d ago

Whose hiding it? Its common knowledge. Maybe dont make such a big deal about it and people wont rush to defend it so much. Its not that important, people are going to get the console that have the games they want not because of a difference in pixels.

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LexHazard793633d ago

@cindy, you still spewing garbage? Everyone and their mother knows by now that PS4 is more powerful.

remixx1163633d ago

@cindy

To be honest.......could you stop, its kinda embarrassing, just play video games OK, the difference between ps4 and Xbox one are almost irrelevant..... This is coming from a primarily PS gamer.

We sound like hypocrites when we bash Xbox for being slightly less powerful then turn around and tell PC gamers that graphics such don't matter, its all about the gameplay..........

Please just stop ps4 fans are becoming the PC master race of console......please do not let that happen, nothing about your choice of hardware makes you better than anyone so please stop flaunting it like its part of your body.

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GameNameFame3633d ago

At all the people complaining at Cindy's comment.

If everyone already knows, whats up with StrayaKNT's comment?

and how come you do not complain about that?
Truth is some X1 fans, while they acknowledge the fact, do not want the fact to get out.

remixx1163633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

@andrew

(╯︵╰,) y-y-you really mean it, you mean there's still a chance for me OK then brother, I await you at the threshold of gaming hardware euphoria.

.........umbasa......

Damn you guys crack me up.

Clunkyd3633d ago

@Andrew

Spoken like a true nerd.

donthate3633d ago

If resolution is a big deal, we all would be gaming on PC.

It wasn't last generation, and it isn't this generation. For each successive generation it will mean less and less.

Pogmathoin3633d ago

Nameface, rightfully, straya got many disagrees, as should Cindy..... Be honest yourself.....

ABizzel13633d ago

Are we really stuck on this. Differences aren't that important to 3rd party developers, because they're making a cross platform game for 2 or 3 console.

However, there is a difference and the PS4 flatout has a better GPU than the XBO. No one questions anything like this in the world of PCC gaming, they have GPU with the same architecture, except one has more Shaders, ROP, Fillrates, and better RAM for an APU.

Does it make the XBO bad, NO. Is the PS4 vastly better hardware wise, NO (40% better than XBO at graphics computations). Can it produce better graphics, YES. Should it ruin your life as a gamer because of it, NO. And if it does you need serious help.

@Cindy-rella

Stop it please for the sake of all that is good. Those fools spreading that misinformation are only speaking to the ignorant, who are a loss cause to begin with. Just enjoy your console, and correct false information when needed. You're coming off very fanboyish.

@StrayaKNT

1080p @ 60fps is a design choice, which is why you purposely choose to limit it to AAA "exclusives", because there are numerous examples of games running 1080p @ 60fps, while the XBO is hovering around 900p and in some cases 720p @ 60fps.

Don't be a fanboy either. The PS4 has a better GPU, and it is what it is this generation. Last-gen Xbox has the better GPU (although Cell helped PS3 with that).

Hardware goes to Sony and the PS4 this gen.

LastNewtStandin3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

@remixx, +Bubble, Exactly my type of thinking!
Trawling through all the idiot's arguing over a few pixels just to see good conversation about a hobby we ALL love is annoying.

The best feature of any gaming system is it's community, more so your friends. We can push buttons and twiddle knobs all day long but for me, Gaming is nothing without friends to share these experiences with.

Go make friends people across all platforms and genre's and most importantly, Stop wasting your lives hating things just because they are different.

@ABizzel1 +Bubble, Sony definitely have a hardware advantage, In the short term some of the games pushing for 1080 with wavering framerates irks me on both consoles, I want games to be as smooth as possible at all costs but the media buzzword is 1080 so we get what we get. So far I have not been disappointed in any xbox games myself graphically but we both know there will always be an epidemic of fanboys and trolls alike and it's a shame.

pivotplease3633d ago

It's just a jab if anything. Basically deja by to last generation when the Xbox crowd started this importance of having superior multiplats thing. Now PlayStation has them and the technically superior exclusives once again. It's not a big deal to me personally but it could take away a selling point for a small crowd who favour multiplatform games or play on both systems.

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blackblades3633d ago

Sorry I agreed on accident, (D@mn mobile)

Genuine-User3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

Another article trying to down-play the power difference. Let it go already.

There is substantial difference on paper and in practice.

Sureshot3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

Substantial? Have u seen a high end PC in action? It becomes clear how similar the consoles are...

Genuine-User3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

It does not become clear at all.

PC is an irrelevant metric to determine the difference between the two 'consoles'.
There's indeed a substantial difference in resolution/graphical features as demonstrated by first, second and third party.

PlayStation's upcoming first party content has successfully showcased the huge gap between the two competitors.

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Spotie3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

"Have you seen that fighter jet? It puts those two sports cars to shame!"

Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

There is merit in comparing and contrasting similar yet different products.

magiciandude3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

@Spotie

Yeah, but for how long? Everyone already knows long ago which console is the technically superior platform, the PS4. There is very little merit to keep fighting over that, other than getting in the way of a meaningful conversation.

The power difference between Xbox One and PS4 isn't that huge. I own and play both to know that. They both have some room left for better optimization with getting the most out of the hardware.

Zeref3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

No there is not. The multiplatform games have negligible difference. You can not tell which is which without them telling you.

Why are you even comparing the first party games? They are all completely different with different art styles/effects and gameplay.

Sureshot3633d ago

How is it irrelevant? Or is it a case of "it doesn't help my argument so it doesn't count". And what are the substantial differences again? Monthly updates, backwards compatibility, more stable servers? I guess you're right, very substantial....

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen3633d ago

"There's indeed a substantial difference in resolution/graphical features as demonstrated by first, second and third party."

"PlayStation's upcoming first party content has successfully showcased the huge gap between the two competitors."

This^

Genuine-User3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

@Zeref

A 40% increase in resolution, better performance and visual feature set is a negligible difference now?

First party is the perfect metric to determine what's possible on either machine because they're not constrained to an engine that needs to works on multi-platforms.

@Sureshot

Comparing a closed box to an ever growing one is irrational. Comparing two closed machines is the only reasonable method of deducing the power difference.

And you just went of topic mentioning 'monthly updates' etc.lol

JPauls3633d ago

I agree with "There is difference on paper and in practice."

Substantial begs the question - and just because in practice you can find examples that may, to you, seem substantial, there are examples that show this is not the case.

The comparison of development side-by-side isn't as clear as you make it out to be, and when you play a game on the PS4 vs the Xbox One, you're still playing (pretty much) the same game.

Unless both are side-by-side and you feel like dropping x2 munniez on games for both platforms - and at that point you want to just sink that money into bleeding-edge PC gaming.

I think this article is aimed at the stupid console bias that has turned gaming discussions online to a collossal pissing match. Development may also shift as DX12, Mantle, etc move to the forefront. We may yet see "the power of the cloud" come to the forefront of tech, but that isn't what makes me want to play games - it's the games that make me want to play.

ThePope3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

@GenuineUser

Not one Multiplat game has show this "40% increase". Its so hard to tell the differences that people wait with great anticipation for the DF article to come out and tell us which is better. The biggest issue you run into is that while more games have hit 1080 on the PS4 the X1 has had better framerate on several games.

You can use words like substantial all you want but you just come off as trying too hard. Kind of sad actually. Yes Uncharted looks absolutely fantastic, so does QB, Halo 5, TR. So what exactly is your point?

warczar3633d ago

Come on guys, we shouldn't act like this is SNES vs. Genesis or n64 vs. Playstation these systems are almost identical. If anyone can think of another generation where two competing consoles had chips from the same exact manufacturer with nearly the same exact specs I'd like to know.

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MASTER_RAIDEN3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

theres BARELY any power difference.

i mean aside from the fact that its 2015 and 720p is still part of the conversation.

iTechHeads3633d ago

Really? Sounds hypocritical to me seeing as XBO can't really handle 1080p very well. The dev then goes on to say its unthinkable to go back to 720p.....

Zeref3633d ago

If i can get photorealistic graphics at 720p and 60fps. I don't see the problem.

reallyNow3633d ago (Edited 3633d ago )

"subtle"? The verbiage on the subtitle doesn't jive with the quote.

Jayszen3633d ago

Delusional, wishful thinking.

It is what it is and no amount of writing, revisionism, and trolling will change the fact that the Xbox One console is just not as powerful as the PS4.

Xer0_SiN3633d ago

if by "not important" you mean the xbone getting obliterated by ps4 in the numbers game, then i agree.

elarcadia3633d ago

@Cindy For the love of everything, please stop playing games for a moment and go take a grammar class. I tried to understand your point, but there were so many run-on sentences and grammatical errors that my brain near exploded.

sensor213632d ago

Why flame bait its getting old !

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ritchi453633d ago

"Honestly the differences are not that important. They are present, it’s true, but we are very far from the technical difficulties we usually faced with a cross platform title on the previous generation. There may be subtle rendering difference between the two platforms but that seems unlikely. Our objective is really to offer the maximum of details in 1080p. And it’s unthinkable for us to go back to 720p.”

reallyNow3633d ago

Once again, the context matters WAY more than people realize. The technical difficulties of the past are gone because the challenging architecture has been eliminated. So they're saying that their product is going to be rendered to the best possible of the lesser system, but that it wont matter much in the end, as both games will look the same. He's not really speaking towards the power of the systems.

aerisbueller3633d ago

translation: "Our game will not take full advantage of the PS4"

MegaRay3633d ago

Gamingbolts? Yeah I thought so :)

frostypants3632d ago

Yep. Could tell from the headline before I even read the summary.

nitus103633d ago

That depends on the game and the enjoyment you get out of playing it.

I have a backwards compatible PS3 and sometimes play PS2 games and basically they look like the output of an up-scaled DVD some good some not so good but the game-play has not changed.

I can go back even further and play games on my son's old Gamecube. While the graphics were really designed for PAL (as were the PS2 and even the Xbox) or if you live in the USA NTSC the display even on my 55" HDTV 200Hz refresh rate is still good although nowhere near as good as a game that outputs at 1080p.

Unfortunately PS1 games even via a PS3 (all will play them) look very grainy on my TV and this does detract from the enjoyment of playing them.

Basically to me the most important aspect of a game is do I enjoy playing it. Granted good graphics definitely do help but a bad game is a bad game (subjectively of course) and "shiny" hi-res graphics don't help. A good game is definitely helped with hi-res graphics but only if it enhances the play-ability and enjoyment of the game.

frostypants3632d ago (Edited 3632d ago )

Perfect example: the last-gen remake of Bionic Commando (the side scrolling one, not the stupid free-roam one). Even if it was basically the exact same game as the original 1980s game, the new graphics made it so much more enjoyable.

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Taking a new spin on the action genre with SteelRising

Jehanne Rousseau (CEO, Spiders)

"Hi everyone, I am Jehanne Rousseau, CEO and lead writer at Spiders. Today, we are very happy to share with you the creative process that led us to this new project."

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Guilty Pleasures: Why The Charm of Mid-Tier RPGs Are A Refreshing Change of Pace

DBC: “Out of the multitude of terrific genres out there, it’s fair to say that role-playing games have the potential to be the most ambitious and immersive experiences of the bunch.”

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isarai2119d ago

Outward is still one if my favorite RPGs this gen

FTLmaster2118d ago

Man, thanks for the tip! Not played Outward yet.

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alexgibson2119d ago

Absolutely love Outward and cant wait for Greedfall!

FTLmaster2118d ago

Gonna definitely pick up Outward — looks like my cup of tea!

DaDrunkenJester2118d ago

Remnant is also a pleasant surprise and it was only $40. I'm a big supporter of mid tier gaming, as long as it has mid tier prices.

isarai2118d ago

Suggesting only AAA games deserve a full $60 price tag is dumb.

DaDrunkenJester2118d ago

As good as Remnant is, it is clearly a bit janky, doesnt have the full production value, reuses a lot of the same assets. Technomancer is the same way. And I'm not saying that cant go full price, but I'm saying it's certainly not as appealing, and the issues of lower budget RPG's may impact your viewpoint of the title if you had to pay full AAA pricing.

Remnant is great, but at $60 I'd complain a bit more on those issues I listed above.

porkChop2118d ago

Mid-tier products shouldn't charge premium prices. That's just common sense.

isarai2118d ago

Those are just janky, but there are solid mid tier RPGs and games too.

Divinity original sin II
Surge 1&2
Kingdom Come Deliverance

Then we got mid tier games outside the RPG realm like
Yakuza 0
Sniper Elite 1-4
Vermintide 1&2
Shadow Warrior 1&2
Nier Automata
And even the Dark souls series that all fall into AA/mid tier territory you're saying dont deserve to have a $60 price tag simply because enough money wasnt spent on them

bluefox7552118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

I wouldn't call anything on that list "mid-tier" or AA.

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@blufox755

Well AAA or AA isnt an opinion, all these games have little to no marketing, made with half the amount of people at a fraction of the cost of a AAA game, I.E. mid tier games. Just because its good doesn't make it AAA, they are just good mid tier games

isarai2118d ago

Dear god this site is really starting to be populated by people who cant accept facts. AAA and mid tier is determined by how much funding is put into a game, thats just a fact. Some can pull of better games than others on the same budget. AA/mid tier is not determined by a level of lacked polish or jank, its budget, plain and simple. Hellblade is a mid tier game, ninja theory have even said so MANY MANY times, still looks as good as a AAA game, but it isnt. You people are really going to sit there and tell me the 505 Games published Sniper Elite 4 had just as much money and marketing behind it as say anthem? Or Battlefield V? 505 Games has always been a mid tier publisher. Oh and Warhammer Vermintide? Its literally published by a mid tier publisher (THQ Nirdic) who quite literally, publically said they are a mid tier publisher and aim "to bring the mid tier back to the video game industry". And if Yakuza 0 isnt mid tier why did it launch at $40 with the explanation being it was a smaller project? These are facts, and somehow you're going to look at facts and disagree? I dont understand you people

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Rangerman12082118d ago (Edited 2118d ago )

Outward, Technomancer, Kingdoms of Amaleur and Kingdom Come are gems, and they're personally the good kind of b-tier RPGs. Not a big fan of both Risen 3 and Bound by Flame, although I can definitely say that Risen 3 is a better pirate rpg than Raven's Cry.

And as for Greedfall? Definitely excited for it. Hoping it will be the devs' magnum opus.

ElementX2118d ago

Elex is pretty decent, but extremely difficult at first until you level up a lot and get better gear. I died countless times from the start. Just stick with it and keep doing quests, often times running away is necessary.

FTLmaster2118d ago

Really enjoyed ELEX. I liked its verticality and there were so many cool monsters as well. Good RPG!

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The Rise of the AA Gaming Industry, and Why That's a Good Thing

WTMG's Leo Faria: "AA games are the closest reminder to how the gaming industry used to be back in the fifth and sixth generations, a simpler time where we would get a mid-sized but complete product aimed at a specific gaming demographic."

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Jimboms2156d ago

A Plague Tale: Innocence is the best thing to come out of AA gaming in a very long time.

ChiefofLoliPolice2156d ago (Edited 2156d ago )

I been meaning to play it too. I downloaded it from Origin vault. Just haven't started it yet but I will.

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Abnor_Mal2156d ago

At some point I need to pick up A Plague of Innocence. Haven't really seen much being said about The Sinking City, hoping it reviewed well by critics and fans alike.

Both games seem very interesting with unique premises.

TricksterArrow2156d ago

The Sinking City does well what it achieves to do. It is certainly not amazing, lacks a bit of polishing, but it is a good game in it's own right.

Abnor_Mal2156d ago

Thank you for the information, seems like the game got lost and I did not see much on it. I think it got eclipsed by Supermassive The Man of Madan game. I wonder what it the length of the game how many hours of game time to finish the story.

ChiefofLoliPolice2156d ago

If you have EA origin is free under the game subscription.

lptmg2156d ago

The Sinking City is janky like a mofo, but it's very entertaining, especially if you like Lovecraftian horror. That and Call of Cthulhu are great if you like the genre.

AK912156d ago (Edited 2156d ago )

The Sinking City game is not perfect but it’s quite fun just bump down the combat difficulty to easy and you’ll enjoy it.

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Tross2156d ago

In an age where some AAA studios like EA insist they can’t afford to make games without screwing us over with MTs, I think it’s a very good thing the AA scene has made a comeback. I also love some AAA games (not those by EA), and some indie titles, but I’m glad this mid-tier still exists.

AngelicIceDiamond2156d ago

AA devs have less to work with. Either it be funds or man power so they use their assets well very well. What AA's will always have over AAA is time. They don't have bosses, bosses telling their employees to finish said project in a unrealistic timely matter which causes crunch. Activision, EA plus more we don't know about are victims of pressure and crunches and damn near bullying the devs to get it done to meet investor timlines. Artistic freedom means nothing with hardcore time constraints. And AA devs know that. Less money, manpower but all the time in the world or at least reasonable time to actually make the game that they want.

Potnoodle9992156d ago

Hmmm, sorry but there is always a crunch. I’m sure it would be nice to think AA game development is all sunshine and rainbows but there is always a planned release date and whereas the amount of people effected by the crunch of AA may pale in comparison to the massacre that is AAA crunch time, it is still something that happens. That is the reality of game development. There is always crunch. The difference is some devs have a whip behind them, EA of course, but others do it to themselves. If they choose themselves then of course it’s easier to say, you know what, we have to delay a couple of months.
Sony make triple A games and I don’t believe there crunch is anywhere near as bad as EA/Activision/Ubi.
Anyway I went off on one haha

lptmg2156d ago

AA studios have bosses, such as THQ/Focus/Bigben/Rebellion. The difference is that they have slightly more lenient bosses as they are usually not public companies with shares being sold on stock exchanges.

rainslacker2156d ago

They just pass off A-AA budget GaaS games as AAA releases, then make bank on the GaaS parts of the game.

ApocalypseShadow2156d ago

There isn't any "rise of the AA."

There has always been regular produced games and those developers with the funds who make bigger production games. It's not new.

As a gamer, it doesn't matter how much money went into a game. Only if it's fun to play. I have more regular games than AAA games because those smaller developers and smaller games take more risks in trying something new.

Instead of the same annual, cookie cutter games from AAA. Or AAA developers who copy other developer's games after they were a surprise hit. Then, every other developer jumps in trying to copy that gameplay.

Just don't try and sell me a reoccurring service with them and call it a good deal.

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