Night and rain racing isn't just for show in Forza 6 [Pixel Dynamo]

Sam Coleman from Pixel Dynamo interviews Bill Geise from Turn 10 Studios about the slow, careful process that went into introducing two big fan demands into the series for the first time.

[ThePresentIsAgift]

Lovely, sounds golden. I've never stopped missing the original Forza's night time tracks and the game in general. Superb entrance for the series and also a game that sadly, ran very poorly on the 360. Tempted to buy an old box of X'ness just for the nostalgia haha still miss my PS2/3 damn it.

[gosukyomomma]

Did I just read it wont rain at night? wtf turn 10, night time races with rain are the most intense races you can get, and the weather is static by the sounds of it that rain is static and will be a constant speed, not getting faster/slower light/heavy etc.

Man I thought this forza was going to be the one and already it has let me down in one feature :(

[CernaML]

They gotta cut corners to get a solid 60fps at 1080p. Rain takes quite a graphical hit as well.

[gosukyomomma]

True but for a racing simulator all simulation aspects should be included by now - gt5 and gt6 had night racing and rain at 1080p/60fps come on turn 10!

[Nick_The_Slick]

Gosu - ...except Gran Turismo was never a true 1080p (1280x1080/1440x1080) and the framerate was never locked to 60 like Forza. It dropped to 30 with lots of cars on the screen and with weather effects. It didn't have as many cars on screen, either. And most cars looked like crap, besides the premium models.

[Nick_The_Slick]

Read my comment above.

[weirdo]

(not trolling) driveclub is still the daddy with visuals/weather

[rdgneoz3]

Well, one of the two lets you race in the rain AND at night...

[u4one]

Let's see how much stuff forza still does that driveclub doesn't.... More cars, real physics, real tracks, tuning, car mods, racing mods, car upgrades, car customizing, the ability to buy and sell cars from players, tire temp and wear, track temp, fuel usage, pits, autovista etc...

[Rdeal]

It will never be the daddy at 30fps, all circuit based racers should be 60fps

[Spotie]

Hmm... nope. Don't see it in the circuit racer rulebook.

[Me-Time]

Rdeal is right about circuit-based racers needing to be 60fps (if they're simulations). But FM is in 60fps. It's the open FH that's in 30.

[Me-Time]

Oh wow. Anyway...

"after all, it’s far better to introduce a new feature slowly and build it up later than throw out half-baked ideas that might not work for the fanbase."

In the case they're speaking of (yet another jab at PD/GT) about hydroplaning and PUDDLES!!, PD have been working on wet surface physics since GT4, sooooo they're going on 11 years at the very least. Weather and time change "might not work for the fanbase". SMDH

And night racing, well... wow. Didn't mention "50 percent" after that? I don't know. This seems wholly thought out with not a whole lot of implementation going on. FH has rally racing, why can't FM?

And yes, simulation-based games are done in 60fps out of necessity (pCARS - SMS - grimy bastards downgraded their game for consoles, and well, you know). (Racing Sim) Developers don't push for double the framerate of the usual game for nothing.

[GearSkiN]

Yup agree visual for drive club, nothing else.... Turn 10 I believe needs a longer development time, don't think 2 years is enough.

[FlexLuger]

Doesnt mean much when the tyres are not even simulated, therefor not simulating what REALLY happens when rubber (which has been simulated in forza) hits tarmac ( a surface itself which is simulated, in forza).

DC may have great visual weather but forza will have superior physical effects because the cars AND the weather are simulated. In Dc its just for show. They code a little grease on the road to make their non simulated cars have a lower grip value than the dry code. Thats VERY artificial. DC is like a dumb bimbo. All looks no substance.

You wont be accurately aquaplaning over three dimensional puddles in DC. So technically forza has the more accurate weather. It may not look as pixel perfect but it behaves far more like real water in the way it affect the cars than DC can ever hope, as long as its an arcade racer. Also FM6 runs at twice the framrate. Ill take simulated weather and car physics at 60 FPS over pretty graphics and hollow arcade style car handling, any day of the week. I put Pcars and assetto corsa and GT above DC as well, for similar reasons.

[gosukyomomma]

Well duh driveclub isnt a simulator lol technically forza has more accurate weather.... but doesnt do weather effects at night... ok thats makes sense. Lol but yes gt5 had aquaplaning puddles (dont believe me do the mercedes amg challenge on nurburgring) and wet areas running at 1080p/60fps with rain at night on a last gen consolse so what excuses are you going to come up with for that?!

Forza 6 looks damn good but please will people stop going on like its the most feature rich racing game ever just because it has now acquired night racing and rain when other games has been doing this for years yes i will purchase but these fanboys really do need to try other games before ruling forza as the number one

[Me-Time]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

This is what I will always be comparing night racing and the nordschleife to.

[GearSkiN]

Ur tellin me GT runs 1080/60p on ps3....? [-_-]

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Who drives cars 180+ mph at night in the rain?

[FlexLuger]

"Well duh driveclub isnt a simulator lol technically forza has more accurate weather"

Why dont you tell that to the PSfans who keep coming into forza threads and bragging about DCs graphics even though it has little else to offer in the way of realism? Do try to keep up with what is beng said in the thread...

"and wet areas running at 1080p/60fps with rain at night on a last gen consolse so what excuses are you going to come up with for that?!"

for a start, neither GT5 or GT6 were full 1080P. do you research. GT5 was 1280X1080P. Gt6 was 1440 X1080P. Thats still short of fo full 1920 X 1080P. Gts tracks are also less detailed than forzas, even back on the x360. Things like the bumps on the nurburgring are correct and present on T10 rendition of the ring, so those water puddles will fill naturally, hense why the term "3D puddles" is even a thing. Also of not, I have noticed in FM6 that . Also Neither GT ran at a locked 60FPS, under stress.Compromises were made. See the digital foundry reports for reference.And lets not talk about that lackluster damage model. In forza you can literally drive the wheels of your car. I know..I have actually parked up a car in FM that took that much damage. You can even mess up your gearbox from aggressive downshifting. That doesnt happen in GT.

"will people stop going on like its the most feature rich racing game"

Most robust lobby system on any game. Most active community. Most varied community ( we have people who just paint..some who just tune...some like doing drift videos)..and thats before I even bring up FH2s feature set. It has more cars than most. Sure GT has a thousand or something like that but it dont mean much if they are just uprezzed PS2 versions.

It had more features than most racing games even when it didnt have weather and day/night...so please..stop with the FUD.

"i will purchase but these fanboys really do need to try other games before ruling forza as the number one"

I own asseto corsa and race room plus a tonne of DLC on my steam account. I also have Pcars on xbox. Next.

These kids need to stop making assumptions about people that they dont know just to try and make baseless points. Its a transparent and cheap way to try and make a point. Dont presume to know what I have played just because I happen to think forza is the best racing game. Everybody is allowed to have a favorite. you can too.

lets play a game...which game is this?...or is a game at all?

http://abload.de/img/f5016a...

[Nick_The_Slick]

Flex - GT wasn't 60fps either, unless you were doing a time trial w one car on a dry track..

[lemoncake]

Hopefully we see snow sometime soon in a Forza game, I want more snow in my games cannot get enough of it.

[FlexLuger]

It would make more sense in forza horizon. rallying type antics n' all! Maybe we will see it in FH3 or its storm island equivalent DLC.

[curtis92]

Pretty sure rain and night aren't just for show in MOST other racing games. Rain always has an effect, and racing at night obviously does too. It's funny that with 3D puddles turn 10 is up in themselves like they're the first to do night/rain. And you can't even do night AND rain at the same time... nor does weather or day/night cycle, either. It'll be "Track A (Day) - Track A (Day/Rain) - Track A (Night)"

Those who have experienced racers, whether sim or arcade, know that cycles between day/night and weather make for a totally compelling, unique and dynamic experience.

When you play CARS or DC and do an early morning race, where the sun JUST starts to rise towards the end of the race, it's such a cool, unique feeling and it gives the track character. Same with day going to dusk to night. So refreshing after years of static lighting again and again and again on each track.

[Dewitt]

Now the criticism is night and rain at the same time, get over yourselves. The physics is what will make this game second to none, hydroplaning, knowing which path to take at night, mods, drivatars, 450 cars all in autovista. There is so much going on that there is NO way you can complain about not having night AND rain, such a childish gripe.

[Me-Time]

WHAAAA!?!?!?

It isn't childish. It's hilariously sadly fudged up actually.

[jokerisalive]

So static weather effects then huh? Oh well cant have it all. This game is pushing 60 fps at 1080p with a ton of cars and full customizations. Static weather is better than no weather imo.