Uncharted 4 Devs: Getting to 60 FPS Is "Really Hard;" PS4 Is "Like Butter, Smooth, Delicious"

Uncharted 4: A Thief’s End co-directors Bruce Straley and Neil Druckmann are between those that know the PS4 best, considering that they are at the forefront of one of the top studios working on the platform, and they gave a few pointers.

[JMaine518]

You can do it! All you have to do is believe!

[GMR_PR]

30 FPS confirmed, which is totally fine as long as it's 30 locked

[Forn]

Indeed. If Driveclub as an example has shown us anything, it's how fluid and smooth 30fps can feel. All the whining about numbers is getting not only tiresome but sickening. Play games... Seriously, let developers figure out how to develop their game and give us a great experience.

[Outthink_The_Room]

@Forn

Driveclub is entirely different. The level of motion blur that is acceptable and/or needed in a racing game far exceeds what can be used in a TPS like Uncharted.

The sense of speed and fluidity in DC is masked by multiple different processes that would actually ruin the experience of UC4.

Also, the numbers for UC4 wouldn't really be a problem if they hadn't made those outrageous statements about 60fps and never wanting to go back.

Once they got TLOU:Remastered at 60fps, they were saying that's the target for the generation. Apparently the trailer they showed at E3 was also running at 60.

Don't get me wrong, I think numbers are just fanboy ammunition, but in this case, ND were the ones who brought up the numbers and now they are backtracking and getting called out for it.

As much as I blame gamers for this number nonsense that plagues forums, this is one case where they can't be blamed. It truly is Naughty Dogs fault and this is going to be something that doesn't go away anytime soon.

[Army_of_Darkness]

@jmaine whaaa? What was that? Lol! A Walt Disney fairytale line?

If ND can do an unlocked 60fps, I'll be cool with that, but if they end up going with 30fps it's okay too cause I'll play it regardless.

[BitbyDeath]

@Outthink_The_Room,

The old saying was that only twitch shooters (FPS) and racers were really in need of 60fps.

Uncharted is neither and racers now appears to be off the table as well. How long til fast FPS games are also invalid?

[Bathyj]

@Outthink_The_Room

So youre saying because they released a last gen port at 60fps and they release a cinematic trailer at 60fps and said that was their goal, then they HAVE to release all their games at 60fps now?

Theres more for them to consider here than simply what they did with their last game and a trailer.

Its likely apparent now that it will be 30fps, and the game is still the best part of a year away from being released. No ones being duped here or having the rug pulled out from under them at the last minute. They are not promising 60fps now so anyone expecting it and whining when they dont get it was just looking for something to complain about.

How about people keeping their expectations in check, maybe you wont find everything so disappointing all the time.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

I don't want them to break ANY sort of technical feat or possible downgrades trying to hit 60 frames.

Just make it a solid 30 frames locked.

[badz149]

with the level of graphic that they are aiming with Uncharted 4 and 1080p nonetheless, it will be almost a miracle if they manage to make it run at a stable 60fps op the PS4.

30fps was fine with Uncharted games on PS3 and the fact that there are still very few games out there that have almost 0 loading time between scenes like what they did since the first Uncharted, speaks volume IMO, which shows just how talented ND are.

I can't wait for Uncharted 4 and together with The Order 1886, they are my most anticipated games on PS4 this year bar none!

[ifistbrowni]

@outthink

Judging by the comment section, it looks like Sony fans are doing the back tracking. I remember when I would come to this site and only read about 1080p/60fps in relation to PS4.

I love Naughty Dog, I will love this game. But, it is kinda ironic to see the back tracking and sudden acceptance of 30FPS from this community.

I disagree with most, though. I dont think this confirms 30 FPS. I honestly think Naughty Dog will deliver.

[OB1Biker]

@Forn
I guess your disagrees are from so many 'gamers' who know better than the devs. And IMO Uncharted will shine more by the quality of its animations rather than just a res/fps focus

[Wizard_King]

PS4 (and xbone) can't handle full next gen settings at 1080/60 this fact has been well established time and time again.

As soon as a game starts looking great graphics wise you can safely bet it's going to be 30fps or under.

[SolidStoner]

this is stupid.. how can it be butter smooth and not able to do 60 FPS at the same time.. what are we total idiots out here? :) this makes no sense!

@decrypt sony never told anyone that PS4 is high end PC, lmao. its just a very powerful console for todays standard, made on PC base!

[Gazondaily]

So much has been made about frame rates and resolution, its silly. I don't mind 3-fps as long as it delivers excellent visuals and above all else, great gameplay.

[bjmartynhak]

"Bathyj

So youre saying because they released a last gen port at 60fps and they release a cinematic trailer at 60fps and said that was their goal, then they HAVE to release all their games at 60fps now? "

- Sure thing! 60 fps was their goal. If they are releasing at 30 fps it means it was the target from the beginning. Otherwise they would scale down the graphics to hit the target fps. Straight PR lie. Not cool, although it was pretty obvious that in no way that trailer graphics could be close to gameplay in 60 fps.

[St0]

30fps is fine for uncharted, it's only FPS shooters that really need 60fps to be good imo

[aCasualGamer]

Agree with GMR_PR

IF it's locked 30fps i'm fine with it. If it dips like Unity... ofcourse that's not ok for such a talented team. I'm sure that they're already at 30fps without any hickups. But i'd rather they not focus on 60fps if they know it's too hard to achieve given all the graphical fidelity. Let them lock it 30fps and continue with all the glorious final touches to the visuals they've become known for. My vote is for Naughtygods as the best developers of the industry.

@Forn

Agree that Driveclub looks smooth but that's because of many effects allowed because it's a racing game. Also, imagine how much smoother it would've looked with 60fps... with that said, i don't mind it being 30fps, hasn't hindered me in any way when racing.

[nveenio]

I don't have a problem with 30fps as long as the fidelity is there. People who game on PC know that you can sacrifice a lot of fidelity trying to get a smooth 60fps. I generally build my PCs to play at a smooth 30, so I don't mind if that's what ND does.

[LordMaim]

Doesn't matter. The game is going to be awesome regardless.

Drake can still crack wise at 30FPS. :)

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

Wait a second I tho any game less than 1080p 60fps on ps4 is unacceptable ?

[mabreu]

After I saw some movies like the Hobbit at 60fps, I understand why 24fps is standard. 60fps made movies look too fake as if you can tell the actors are in a movie set and not in a fictional world.

I wonder if video games will suffer from this. I can see games like racing, sports, fighting, and FPS playing a lot better at 60fps. But if the visuals are meant to look "cinamatic," perhaps locking the frame rate at 30 is best. I rather have more graphical power dedicated to other stuff like blur effects, anti-aliasing, textures, particles, etc.

Just my opinion.

[bubblebobble]

30fps on pc is not that great because its going to go right down in when lots is happening on screen but 30fps on console is fine because devs can make sure it doesnt go lower

[nveenio]

@mabreu

Yes. The high frame rate on that movie was very, very weird. None of it felt right at all. I don't have the same problem with games at high frame rate, though.

[reallyNow]

@Outthink_the_room

there are plenty of really nice looking third person games that look great at 30fps. Fight Night: Champion being one such game. The great thing about programming is that you can achieve almost anything. What matters is the end product. I think DriveClub is a great representation of the product being greater than the sum of its parts because their vision was realized in the end. DriveClub looks AND plays phenomenally. Theres never a moment in the game where I'm thinking "damn, i wish it was at 60fps". Fight Night: Champion also showed how to properly do motion blur on bodies. It looks like you're watching a real match sometimes, and thats a PS3 title. Also, lets talk about Dying Light. The game doesn't even stick to 30fps and it's incredibly fun to play. Again, I'm never left sitting there thinking "damn, there just isn't enough frames for me to enjoy this fully". Does 60fps make a smoother visual experience? ABSOLUTELY. Does that mean all games have to be 60fps in order to look and play as intended by the developers and designers? Absolutely not.

BTW - The Hobbit was filmed at 48fps.

[TBONEJF]

Doesn't even matter with FPS? All I care bout is the graphics.

[Irishguy95]

Tomb Raider was similar to Uncharted, The last of us was similar to the last of us Ps4.

60 FPS was VASTLY superior for both of these games. Hilarious really looking back, from a ND dev:
http://n4g.com/news/1543474...

Mass effect series was also infinitely better to play at 60 FPS. The gameplay itself is simply more fun.

Stop making excuses. Its quite sad that ND can't achieve what they set out to achieve. Can I live with it? Sure. The game will still be good. But haha anyhow. Just the hypocrisy as usual. Fanboys you know?

Any game that requires any type of input is better to lay at 60 FPS, this goes for ALL shooters. Simple as.

[mabreu]

@reallyNow

You're correct. Hobbit is at 48fps. I think the 60fps was talked about by James Cameron which got me confused.

I bought Driveclub a couple of weeks ago and I was amazed at the visuals. Frame rate, to me, was not an issue. Also, many indie games from all platforms have some of the worst visuals but are still amazing. The whole obsession over fps numbers is getting out-of-hand.

I'm sure ND will deliver great visuals regardless if it's 30 or 60fps. But to all other developers out there, first focus on art direction rather than graphic stats.

[crxss]

I'm probably the minority here, but when it comes to cinematic experiences, I actually prefer 30fps. Like with TLOU remastered I wish there was a 30fps option.

[colonel179]

They should't! I really dislike that this gen is being dictated by two trivial things: frame rate and resolution.

They are nice things to have, yes, but it is also proven that both the PS4 and Xbox One are not capable of doing them consistently, especially in graphics-heavy games. It is been made obvious that we will have to wait yet another gen to have totally capable consoles to enjoy 1080p/60fps, and sadly, next gen people will be demanding 4k/60fps (which I doubt it will be possible, yet again)

Gamers should let developers decide what's best for their game and be able to make the game as good as possible with what they have, after all, they are the developers, and people demanding 1080p/60fps are probably just gamers without any technical knowledge on the matter (no offense intended).

It's clear that developers are trying to make those people happy, like they are afraid that their game won't sell or won't review higher f they don't have it (as well with MP). I believe that's a huge mistake and they should stop caring about that stuff too. (That's why I like what RAD is doing with The Order: 1886. Sadly, not having MP is a risk now, so they are betting all on the game)

[UltraNova]

"and people demanding 1080p/60fps are probably just gamers without any technical knowledge on the matter (no offense intended)."

Yet you are offending gamers who rightfully expected the new consoles to be ready if not to exceed the current graphical standard upon their release, something that happened and rightfully expected since the original NES.

With all three opting for the cost effective route this gen, its not our fault we expected the expected! They always absorbed the damage per unit sold just to be a step ahead and provide a truly NEXT gen experience, but since we can be 'persuaded' into anything these days they went with cheaper, less capable hardware and let us fight it over in the comments section of gaming forums.

Now as for the ps5 and xb2, I said it time and again that we should be 'grateful' if they release consoles capable of 1080p/rock solid 60fps with current (yes current) PC Ultra settings and advanced AA.

"It's clear that developers are trying to make those people happy, like they are afraid that their game won't sell or won't review higher f they don't have it (as well with MP). I believe that's a huge mistake and they should stop caring about that stuff too. (That's why I like what RAD is doing with The Order: 1886. Sadly, not having MP is a risk now, so they are betting all on the game)"

Agreed. I used to live in a time where SP was the standard and MP optional only to find my self in the exact opposite situation...

Never say never... never have truer words been spoken.

[TomRL]

Framerate isn't a trivial issue. Resolution is pretty much trivial now, but framerate isn't. Having a low framerate noticeably hinders the ability to play and the amount of perceived content by the player.
And you also don't seem to have the technical knowledge that you're berating others for not having. Not having 60fps is an artistic decision. We have consoles that are capable of 60fps and pretty good graphics, but it just won't happen because companies think graphics sell.

[RadApples]

Well when you look at what kind of games have been released for the systems it makes sense as to why framerates and resolutions have become so important. This generation has seen mostly remakes of last gen titles, and not that it is a bad thing as who doesn't love seeing their favorite games with a fresh coat of paint? But that doesn't leave much for discussion other than framerates and resolutions.

Also, graphics have always been a huge selling point for systems even since the 1980's. The thing is about the history of graphics, if you were to map it out on a graph you would see an exponential distribution where as we approach the top of the curve you will see less of a change in graphics from one generation to the next.
This is called the Law of Diminishing return, and as we get further along it is difficult to talk about graphics quality because the differences are nearly unnoticeable.

So the graphics war evolves into the resolution/frame rate war. Because Graphics, Resolutions, and Frame Rates are something we can measure. Whereas what games are better is much more subjective.

[TheLastColossus]

BOLIEVE!

[NuggetsOfGod]

But 60fps doesn't matter in this type of game.

That is what console gamers say.

Good luck to ND.

30fps = console optimization these days lol

[badz149]

I really feel sorry for you if anything <60fps somehow ruin your enjoyment of a game. and I suppose, you're a pc only gamer? you must be very rich upgrading to new GPU constantly trying to achieve highest setting for every single new releases because you won't play a game if it's <60fps, right? good for you.

[Roccetarius]

I know some people will still deny it, but 30 vs 60 definitely makes a difference when playing any kind of game. People are just trying to defend their budget boxes, that's all.

http://30vs60.com/

[x_RadicalAura_x]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[RG_Dubz]

@ Wizard_King

MGS Ground Zeroes is 1080p/60fps on PS4 without a single frame rate drop and no graphical sacrifice to achieve it.

The only fact you've shown us is that you're an idiot.

[PhucSeeker]

To be fair, the game doesn't look that mind-blowing as Uncharted 4, Batman AK or any cur-gen only games. I played GZ on X360 and it looks 7-8 compared to Ps4 tbh.

[King_many_layers]

BOLIEVE!

[Tzuno]

Yeah keep dreaming, AMD CPU inside is the drawback.

[Condemnedman]

Really what a shit title. really struggles with 60f but handles like butter.

[LamerTamer]

It takes more than "believe". It takes allot of coding and hard work. It also takes hardware that can pull it off. It is always a tradeoff. ANY game could run at 60 FPS if you downgrade the graphics enough. Reduce texture quality, shadows, bring in draw distance with aggressive LOD etc. Sometimes studios would rather have better visuals than extra frames. It is an art decision. A game like this is probably better with improved visuals instead of a little smoother..

[98xpresent]

Please Don't make promises you can't keep

[JMaine518]

Never was a promise only a target.

[Outthink_The_Room]

I would normally agree with your statement, but it's been said that the E3 Trailer was running at 60fps.

So technically, they showed the game, which supposedly is an in-game level, running at 60fps. And are now targeting 30fps most likely.

You can't really unveil a target, say it's running on PS4 hardware in-engine in real time, then simply downgrade it by half.

That E3 trailer is the real problem here. It looked phenomenal and that's already been downgraded visually. To have the trailer at 60 and look that good was amazing.

But to then have the game be 30 AND take a hit in graphics is definitely not a target. I understand if they made concessions to reach 60, but man, that E3 trailer is going to be looked at like the KZ2 skepticism now.

[xTheMercenary_]

@Outthink_The_Room it was in engine footage not in game.

[christian hour]

@outthink_the_room

"the following is a work in progress and not representative of the final product"

This should be a disclaimer kept in mind for any early viewings of an unfinished game, even if it doesnt show up before said viewing. It's just common sense, otherwise you're just setting yourself up for dissapointment and immature online debates lacking logic and reasoning.

I swear, some of the people posting and discussing things on this site when only knowing a quarter of the facts along with some misunderstood information they're half remembering from somewhere makes it painful to come to n4g.

Is there a community of logical, friendly, passionate gamers out there anywhere on the internets? I'd like to move there, and have debates and discussions that aren't just pissing contests or smear campaigns.

[ginsunuva]

@christian hour

Everyone on N4G is below the age of 16, remember that.

[Outthink_The_Room]

@christian hour

Are you kidding me? No really. ARE YOU JOKING?

When a developer shows us footage running at 1080p60 and says they are in-game visuals in a real level running on the PS4.....I KIND OF EXPECT THAT.

I don't know what world you live in where devs can show footage, STATE NUMBERS, then not get called out because of a disclaimer.

They said 1080p60. That's a fact. No disclaimer needed. If you want to give ND a pass and berate other devs, that's your business. But don't start going around trying to tell everyone else that statements from the dev should now be considered a disclaimer.

1080p60. If it doesn't hit that, then they lied. No more, no less. Pretty simple really.

[gangsta_red]

@ Christian hour

So basically the Bait N Switch tactic is okay and should be applied to any game footage that is shown to an audience at an early stage right?

Can we apply that to Aliens: Colonial Marines?

Maybe it didn't deserve the flack it got because "the following is a work in progress and not representative of the final product".

How about Wach_Dogs which was also crucified for not looking like what was shown at E3?

I wonder where was all those rational, friendly, logical gamers when those games where being thrown under the rug and stepped on?

When ND showed off Uncharted 4, this site went ape and mostly everyone thought and said that what was shown would be how the game looked. Now what we are reading from most here are excuses and defense juuuuuuust in case what ND puts out won't be what they showed at E3.

[ziggurcat]

@outthink:

"So technically, they showed the game, which supposedly is an in-game level, running at 60fps. And are now targeting 30fps most likely."

the E3 reveal wasn't showing a level. it was showing an in-game, in-engine cutscene. i'm pretty sure that it didn't say it was a level at any point during that whole presentation.

and they *never* said anything about the game being 60fps. at all. you're making that up, too.

@gangsta:

there's been no bait and switch with regards to uncharted... and again, what they showed off at E3 last year was a *cutscene*. what they showed at PSX was pre-alpha *gameplay*. if you can't tell the difference between cutscene, and gameplay, i really don't know what to tell you...

and do you have definitive proof of this "mostly everyone" claim you're making? because you have a habit of making gross generalizations about PS owners without proof. and even if it's just one or two or a small handful of examples, it does not represent the entire community as a whole.

[Outthink_The_Room]

@ziggur

http://gamingbolt.com/uncha...

Actual Level in the game.

http://www.naughtydog.com/s...

AND THAT IS FROM NAUGHTY DOGS OWN SITE...

So yeah.....TRY AGAIN.

[gangsta_red]

@Ziggurcat

No proof??

http://n4g.com/news/1526720...

Just take a look at those comments and how many are going complete ape over a trailer...a trailer!! Even most are saying or implying that those are the actual graphics that will be in Uncharted 4 gameplay. Now there are some that are pointing out that this was just a trailer but those are few and far between.

Now compare that article to this one here where we see calm and cooler heads commenting on what the game might actually turn out to be.

"it does not represent the entire community as a whole."

And that's why I never said the "whole" or "entire" community. I say "most" and "some", huge difference there.

[ziggurcat]

@outthink (again):

yes, it's a cutscene from the actual game, but it's not a level. they didn't show a level at E3. the PSX demo was a level.

and no. they don't say that UC4 is going to be 1080p @ 60fps. nowhere in that link do they even say that. they say that the trailer can be viewed in 1080p 60fps, and that they're targeting 60fps for the game (which does not mean they're saying that the game is going to be 60fps). so stop lying, and get your facts straight.

@gangsta:

*sigh* because the trailer also happened to be an in-game, in-engine cutscene - not a pre-rendered CGI trailer - and looked absolutely mind-blowing (better than anything we've seen so far this generation)... so now PS owners aren't allowed to get excited over a trailer for game that's coming out for the PS4?

"Even most are saying or implying that those are the actual graphics that will be in Uncharted 4 gameplay"

there you go with your gross generalizations again...

"And that's why I never said the "whole" or "entire" community. I say "most" and "some", huge difference there."

a few comments on N4G doesn't even constitute "most" or even "some", either.

[GameDev1]

what jmaine_ph said

ND never promised 60fps but said it was a target which I think they can achieve with UC4 if they did it after struggling to port Last of Us from the PS3 complex hardware to the PS4 and still get it at the frame rate

I wouldnt mind UC4 having a framerate similar to Last of Us R

[purp13m0nk3y]

I would be completely happy if UC4 achieved the same framerate performance as TLOUR.

I know it's not 100% locked 60fps. But it still feels silky smooth and the minor dips go completely unnoticed IMO. It feels immeasurably better than even locked 30fps.

I can play TLOUR for hours with zero eye fatigue. More than 90-120min of locked 30fps and I need to have a break. I find it really hard work. The brain (mine at least) is much happier with 60fps.

[x_RadicalAura_x]

Oh yeah, cause Naughty Dog is notorious for breaking promises!

Let the masters do their work.

[lifeisgamesok]

They will have to prioritize do you want better graphics or 60 FPS with the graphics being less impressive

[BitbyDeath]

Graphics all the way, TLOU barely showed little difference (if any) between the PS3 and PS4 versions.

DriveClub also shows how much of a non-issue it is.

60fps is totally overrated... IMO

[GameDev1]

"TLOU barely showed little difference (if any) between the PS3 and PS4 versions"

I highly disagree, go back and play both versions again if you have them, the difference wasnt massive but it was very noticeable

Skin textures and environment more visually clear

AA is gone

60fps made the game feel so incredible

character reflections is clearly improved ( when you move joels daughter past the glass door, her reflection is much better on the ps4 version)

light sources, especially the torch light you use has more definition like current gen games

[TheWackyMan]

The PC gamer in me is dying right now.

[SheenuTheLegend]

just try both together. you will die

[BitbyDeath]

I meant in terms of framerate.
Graphics saw obvious improvements. (I have both still)

[Ippiki Okami]

"Skin textures and environment more visually clear

AA is gone

60fps made the game feel so incredible"

Jesus. You guys don't know what your talking about. 60fps has NOTHING to do with the visuals. It looks good because they could display it in the native 1080p(they had to downscale it for ps3 to 720 or less, don't remember)

All 60fps did was make joel's movement speed faster and made the camera motion faster. That's all 60fps does. PC gamers use the extra frames along with a higher ping to get an advantage in online that's why on PC it's preferred. "PC enthusiasts"(who know nothing about gaming anyway) always will say 60fps for every game is better but it's not. A 'PC gamer' knows this.

[Vegamyster]

"60fps is totally overrated... IMO"

Something that has a highly positive effect on gameplay is overrated, ugh...

@Ippiki Okami

"You guys don't know what your talking about. 60fps has NOTHING to do with the visuals."

He didn't say it did, he said it makes it "feel so incredible".

That said 60 fps doesn't need blur while 30 fps pretty much needs it so it doesn't look choppy so it does affect the visuals, it doesn't look smeared every time the camera moves.

[BitbyDeath]

'Something that has a highly positive effect on gameplay is overrated, ugh... '

It doesn't, that is the point. Effects are minimal at best.

[Vegamyster]

@BitbyDeath

Minimal at best? You really don't have a clue then.

[BitbyDeath]

Well if I have no clue then that obviously proves my point of it being minimal at best, otherwise more would notice it, no?

[Vegamyster]

@BitbyDeath

Most consoles gamers can't tell the difference because they don't have the option to chose, Naughty dog themselves not too long ago was talking about about how much better it was.

"But being able to compare apples to apples like we have now with The Last of Us, going back and playing the 30 Hz version feels, to quote some people in the office, 'broken.' There's something that can't be captured in screenshots and playing an adventure game where you just walk around and experience the world at the smooth 60 Hz."

"Will 60fps become the new standard in games?

"We hope so," Gregory said. "It used to just be that first-person shooters were 60 by default, but a lot of other games didn't feel the need for it. I think we're showing that it does make a difference even in a non-FPS type game."

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

[PlayableGamez]

I rather have 60 frames.

[kenwonobi]

I want the graphics. I wont hear any critics arguments in this section to the contrary. If it has less graphics they will blast it on its release regardless if it reached 60fps. So just blow them away with graphics and have the same great games it always makes.

[DarkOcelet]

Make it open like Bioshock or The last of us Remastered. It was really an awesome option. I used 30fps on Bioshock the first time around to appreciate its amazing beauty and used 60fps the second time for hard mode and for a better gameplay experience. I really think more devs should do that, it would be awesome if they did.

[BC_Master_Haze]

Any options > no options. I think it would be great to have a couple presets to choose from. 720p high textures at 60, 1080 high textures at 30, 1080p mid textures at 60 :)

Edit: could be more than textures, my bad for not clarifying in the original comment.

[The_Devil_Hunter]

That is a freaking fantastic idea!

[Azzanation]

Umm you should game on PC.

[BC_Master_Haze]

@azznation

I do, started quite recently but ummm.. Options are good on any platform :P

[masterfox]

aim for 120 fps and then eventually you will realize you can't do it so you will downgraded to 60 fps!, and thats it! problem solved ;)

[Benjammin25]

You know, even an option like Killzone Shadowfall or infamous Second Son where you could either play at 30 or an unlocked framerate would be nice.
Both of those games usually hovered around the 40-50 mark which I know a lot of people don't like playing at, but it reduced latency issues a great deal.

[Minute Man 721]

My tv does 120 hz no worries here 😉

[Holeran]

It has nothing to do with the frame rate of your television. It has to do with eye to hand to controller response.

[Majin-vegeta]

30FPS=Story
60FPS=MP (If it has MP)

I'm good.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

EXACTLY! This guy gets it! Very few games last gen were 60fps especially the graphically impressive ones. Did it ruin the game for you? No? Well good. As long as it doesn't dip severely and frequently like ME1 and 2 on PS3 it will be fine! Would you rather have a more immersive SP or a framerate that takes 30 seconds to get used to?

[BattleAxe]

Someone needs to tell this to Guerrilla Games since they did the complete opposite lol

[porkChop]

No. They didn't. KZSF is 30fps SP, and 60fps MP.

[ABeastNamedTariq]

I think they can do it. They're like wizards with these consoles.

[All_Consoles]

It'll only get worse as games become more graphically intensive. They really should have made these consoles more powerful

[Reddzfoxx]

I think the consoles are fine. Do people really need more than 1080p for their 1080p tv's? Do people really need more than 30 fps on their TV in their living room?

If people want 1080p+ 60+ fps games they need to stop being cheap and build a gaming PC. The world is full of such frugal people that waste money on fast food,porn,stupid crap they don't need or will ever use and cheap out on things that deserve your hard earned cash.

[GMR_PR]

I could built the best PC ever, just one problem with that, still I wouldn't be able to play UC4, Bloodborne, Halo 5, The Order, Quantum Break, etc... so for me building a PC is not the solution.

[Two-Face]

PC does have a lot of exclusive games also you know that would make up for the loss of games you just mentioned.

[ifistbrowni]

seriously??? Who pays for porn?

[Andofaus]

I have a feeling you'll feel differently about the Xbox one after GDC next month.

[GMR_PR]

secret sauce?

[purp13m0nk3y]

Problem being, if they made them more powerful, then they would have been more expensive.

I think one of the reasons both the PS4 and the Xbox1 have had such success sales wise, is that they released at an excellent price point. The PS3 in particular was horrendously expensive at launch.

Yes it would have been nice for a little more grunt under the hood. But honestly, bang for buck, I think the PS4 (and to a lesser extent the Xbox1) offer great value.

[LamerTamer]

Or they could have subsidized the loss on the more powerful hardware through game sales, Just like they give away razors so they can make the money on blades. Then you have the fact that hardware gets cheaper to make over time so losses would be mostly in the beginning and then come to profit later. I could kind of see Sony going on the cheap as they don't exactly have tons of money to throw around. There is no excuse for MS though, they are drowning in cash. They have so much they don't know what to do with it all due to PC OS (so they blow 2.5 bn on minecraft dev). They could have afforded to come out with a beast machine for $399 at launch and taken a loss on initial hardware. Instead they really went cheap and made an even weaker console than Sony.

[purp13m0nk3y]

@LamerTamer

So essentially what SONY and MS did last gen with the PS3 and x360.

Didn't work out real well though did it? Neither console was very profitable, and both companies stretched out the life of the consoles way past a time when they were positively archaic.

This current Gen won't last nearly as long thankfully. Due to not selling at a loss and much smaller R&D budgets, we will see a PS5/XboxNext in 5yrs minimum.

I think this is a win win for everyone involved. Seriously. If you're not happy with PS4 level performance. Build a PC for multi plats. Thats what I do.

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Who cares? Crash 3, CTR, The Last of Us, J&D trilogy, and Uncharted trilogy were all amazing (Crash 1 and 2 hold up terribly). They weren't 60fps. You'll have a great time with a ND game even without your precious 60fps. A man would rather have a more amazing looking and more immersive 30fps world. Maybe in MP.

[MegaRay]

Wait, wasnt Jak games 60fps?

[lemoncake]

I tried eating a stick of butter once and it wasn't all that delicious.

[CamBulls12]

Nxt720 and CrapGamer right now http://images.rapgenius.com...

[Kingdomcome247]

Ahhh man... that next gen 720 guy is so annoying. He claims to own a PS4 too.
OT: I trust Naughty Dog to make the right design choices that best suit the experience that they're aiming for.

[DigitalRaptor]

He also claims to own a $12,000 PC, that he won't show anyone.

He also claimed that his house burned down but unintentionally proved that he still had his belongings from said house.

He also lied, like several others on here, that PS4 had shipped 13.5 million units in November (when it was in fact September) and using that as misinformation to spread that Sony was lying about their latest PS4 numbers.

Zaire is the biggest liar in any gaming community I think I've ever come across.

[gfk342]

Please man, don't mention these guys anymore and anywhere. This is exactly what they want, namely they make trolling videos and hope to be mentioned on sites like this.

Remember, negative advertisement it's still an advertisement.

So the best thing to do is to completely ignore them. They are making videos just to gain money.

[chaosx]

This will be some crazy fuel for resolutiongate if ND cant get there first real "next gen" game to hit the PS4 self imposed 1080/60 standard....

[Nucler100]

I'm probably the only one who would be perfectly fine with 30 fps.

60 fps would be amazing no doubt, but if they're barley making it to that frame-rate, then I'll just take a nice smooth 30 fps with better visual fidelity.

[KingPin]

lol im the opposite.
to me great graphics dont really matter much. it is nice to have but i prefer a better gameplay experience.

i still play burnout 3 takedown on the original xbox from time to time at a blistering 60fps. i mean sure, the track and other cars look great but the surrounding environment not so much but that doesn't bother me at all.

nowadays if we have a game with great track and cars and low res environments, it gets bashed.

[typittt69]

It's ok we'll get "Glorious" 4k at 60fps remaster on the PS5.

[uth11]

I predict when a publisher releases a game that is *only* 1900p upscaled to 4K next gen, there will be much wailing about shitty graphics

[csbunk02]

Who would of thought, a blog post about performance specs getting tons of heat because people love that juicy ghz, gddr5, pipelines, directx 11-12, 60fps, 30fps, 1080p, resolutions lol-talk.

It's like a water hole out in the middle of the desert, that isn't an illusion, but a real water hole complete with palm trees and exotics birds, that has a small tent filled with slutty looking women rocking fans and infinite grapes.

The whole thing is akin to people arguing over who's team is better in sports or what Hollywood star is doing what with who at such and such location - at the end of the day, you still go to bed with 0 influence in any star's life, or the finances of whichever company you align your soul, heart and love to.

It really doesn't matter. People would be more productive building a castle in Minecraft, at least that'd stimulate some type of creativity in a cowboys & indians, red vs blue, black vs white-obsessed thought structured brain.

Literally, IGN, Kotaku, even here, it doesn't even matter the blog, the subject of "OMG specs and performance on gaming consoles CLICK HERE" immediately conjures up these tech whore goblins foaming at the mouth within a lot of us and turns those into armchair warlords flaunting their specially branded plastic box abilities versus their "competition" as if it makes a difference, since at the end of the day, they have your money and the armchair warlord is still trying to make more to fuel the lifestyle.

STAHP.

tl;dr - lol, specs.

[sprinterboy]

I think it will be 30fps but they will get to 60fps with there nxt prpject imo with game engine optimization and more time spent on the ps4 optimization

[Bathyj]

I glad theyre just going to wait and see. And I dont think it will be 60fps at all.

They are going to make the game, exactly how they want to, theyre going to put in everything they want to, and then they will try to optimise it to see if they can get that framerate.

But I would really hate it if they were making the game and they thought, no we cant put that really cool thing in because theres no way we'll get that up to 60fps, lets leave it out.

That would be doing no one any favours. I completely trust Naughty Dog that they know whats best. Better than me, better than you, and certainly better than any journalist or fanboy that will attack them for "only" hitting 30fps.

Much more interested in them pushing the graphics, hitting 1080p for a nice crisp image, and honing the story, characters and gameplay mechanics than worrying about 60fps because whiners will cry about this deficiency to fan the flames of a console war. Just give me the best game you can ND, like you always do.

[clouds5]

Don't tell me you have bought the ps4 thinking you would be playing everything in 60fps? It's a console, they will always run graphically intense games at 30fps. Consoles have to be in the low price range which means less powerful hardware.

[Malice-Flare]

if only nVidia would engage in a price war with AMD. but, that is dumb, there's so many eager "enthusiasts" willing to pay thousands for video cards so that the would get an extra 10fps at 8K 144Hz resolutions with all the bling turned on with 4 monitors. who cares about the peasants wanting 1080p/60Hz in their home consoles on their HDTV...

actually, i blame Apple. if they hadn't gone Intel, there would be alternative CPU technologies that could compete with x86. AMD could have been exploring better CPU architectures rather than extending x86 which is bogged down by 40-year old technologies for backward compatibility that is only used for piracy by hackers...

[Rhythmattic]

Those PowerPC chips in the G5 at the time where fantastic, but IBM's roadmap didn't aim towards mobile solutions.. Thats why there was only G3/G4 based laptops...

Apple went intel because of the Power/per watt performance...

Apples Laptop market,such as their MacBooks / Powerbooks were selling 4 to 1 to G5 towers...

They had to make the move.

Im positive apple would have preferred to stay with the PPC architecture if IBM could of achieved what intel has.

[WizzroSupreme]

Naughty Dog's moved mountains before. The rest of the industry would be wise to follow this diligent of a lead.

[WitWolfy]

What a contradicting head line.... On one side its difficult, but on the other they say its easy... WTF!!!

[jobboy]

stop being silly! it's clear nd was expecting too much from the hardware; indeed tlou, a port from last gen, was their first project.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Pretty sure ND could release Uncharted 4 at 25fps and most all would still buy regardless

[KingPin]

because at 25FPS the graphics would be absolutely mind blowing that everyone would buy it just to show off the power of the PS4 over xbox one. lol

[MultiConsoleGamer]

This game will be so comfy. Day one purchase for me.

I'd also like an Remaster Collection of the previous games. I'd like to replay them all leading up to Uncharted 4.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

Its the Playstation fanboys fault that this is even an issue. When did u ever hear about devs commenting on framerate or resolution last gen? Rarely. Now the Sony fanboys have devs worried about hitting 60fps instead of the fun factor. So good job Sony fanboys...

[christian hour]

"When did u ever hear about devs commenting on framerate or resolution last gen?"

Quite a lot actually, especially at the beginning of last gen, loads of devs and journalists discussing and comparing res, not so much framerate.

I remember sites even doing comparisons (think it was gamespot) of the different ways to connect an xb360 to your tv or projector (either scart, component, VGA etc) and then comparing the different resolutions etc (this was before ps3 was out and it had the blades dashboard and no hdmi).

"its the playstation fanboys fault"
You do realize how ridiculous you sound when you make generalizations right? A group of extremist fanboys does not represent the entire fanbase for a console, not even in the slightest.

You seem to live in an illogical fantasy world, especially when you say things like "Now the Sony fanboys have devs worried about hitting 60fps instead of the fun factor"...

Do you even know who Naughty Dog are?

I don't think you'd make a statement like that if you had any knowledge of their philosophies, mantras, developing process and how the studios artists and programmers work in tandem, a very rare environment for a big developer(theres no hierarchy, for starters).

Maybe do some research and stop viewing your fellow gamers in such black and white standards, before making silly posts like this. And maybe do some research in to my gaming history before calling me a fanboy in retort (someones bound to)

[DigitalRaptor]

When did we hear devs commenting about this? Quite a bit actually. On sites like Neogaf and Beyond3D, you'd see devs commenting about technical aspects of their games, like they still do. It's actually the gaming media that is running with it much further this gen. Twitter makes this easier now though because it gets snapped up by those guys as news on a slow day.

Just so we're clear about this, Xbox fanboys were talking about superior versions of multiplatform games, LONGGGG before PlayStation folks were, that's for sure.

DigitalFoundry was around long before this gen began. LensOf Truth was also around since the start of last-gen and we all know the agenda of that site. I wonder why those guys are no longer making their comparisons, eh?

[Dyldog69]

How bout a locked 45. 60 fps looks unnatural to me and details in environments less noticeable due to a snappyness that seems excessive. I've played plenty at 60 and above and would rather play at 30 for my eyes sake

[Perjoss]

I really need to stop reading the comments

[MasterCornholio]

My recommendation to Naughty Dog is that they release the game at an unlocked FPS if it goes above 30 and allow us to lock it at 30FPS if we want to.

Its not like they haven't done this before (The Last of Us).

[OutcastMosquito]

For people that don't understand. ND can get 60fps but refuses to lower their visual quality to do so. In other words, U4 is going to be an AMAZINGLY detailed game.

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

The PS4 must not be all that buttery smooth .

[Ps4andxb1]

All too easy to predict.

Where are the "but the xbox one parity clause is holding the ps4 back" people.

Just fact facts.

The ps4 and xb1 are near identical in power.

[N4GJD]

So in other words; graphics take priority over all else!

Zzz...

[Yetter]

seems like Sonys strategy in a nutshell

[MasterCornholio]

And your saying this about a Naughty Dog game?

Seriously?

[Shuckylad]

I may be being a thick, so I apologise up front. But why does it seem to be that if you can't have 60fps you have to have 30fps instead. Why can't we have it at 40fps or 50fps? Why only 30 or 60???

[windblowsagain]

Because of the refresh rates of tv's.

30hz, 60hz, 120hz, etc.

[StarLord_Who]

i remember being called a troll for saying it would be too hard.

[TX800]

thats because ps4 is weak just like xbox one just like wiiU just like the gaming industry.

[kenwonobi]

They are kinda weak for what they COULD be. However they are just fine enough as next generation consoles to give a solid new experience to non PC owners who have never enjoyed this level of realism in games before.

[Maxor]

If you want 60 FPS. Get a PC. These consoles are too underpowered for 60 FPS. The fact that a game like Uncharted can run at a steady 30 FPS is an achievement all its own.

[PersonMan]

I'm fine with 30fps Naughty Dog. If you have to downgrade the graphics too much to hit 60, then it's not worth it.

I want next-gen visuals. Not last-gen visuals with 60fps like The Last of Us.

After seeing all of these really good looking games come out, to have Uncharted 4 look pale in comparison would not be good for anyone and most people don't care about 60fps.

At least give us the option to lock it at 30fps if we desire. Please.

[UNKLE]

So they gonna downgrade the graphics to "unlock 60fps" lol.

[WESKER2015]

The game will be great regardless, when will people learn that when you demand 1080p! 60fps!, you are actually limiting your experience with said game, because of the sacrifices made to accommodate 1080p and 60fps, less enemies, less world to explore, less effects, pretty much less everything just for a sharper picture and smoother flow., really is stupid how console gamers who were once happy with the great games they got on their reasonably priced hardware have turned into a bunch of wannabe master race puppets.

Get a clue, when did anybody ever doubt Naughty Dog?

[Picnic]

Why don't they just do 60 frames per second in the areas that they can manage to do it in.

If uniformity of experience means that no part of the game is allowed to go to 60fps that's a shame.

I'd go from 30 to 45 to 60 frames, locked per chapter or level section, not per whole game. Then there's no jarring sense of frame rate change because it's a new chapter anyway.

I'd rather have that than a lower frame rate than 60fps through the whole game. Where's the fun in being consistently slower than you otherwise could be at certain parts?

This is Nathan Drake- he has to be allowed to get to 60fps for the parts of the game that would allow it. This is not an Xbox FPS - nor is it a slow moving European cinema kind of game like The Order 1886- where consistency of frame rate can seem so important.

[Yetter]

Looks like even the almighty ICE team can't get the power they need out of the PS4

[Father__Merrin]

30fps locked please.

[xxmagicmanx]

First uncharted and ps4 has trouble to reach 60fps stupid resolution propaganda from Sony. Sony lies again remember ps4 launch when they said "get used to hear 1080p 60fps bla bla bla" bravo Sony.

[alb1899]

in the same sentence: is really hard and is like butter smooth.........something is wrong here!

[Convas]

Trust Abriael to try to twist a sucky headline into "good" news.

[kenwonobi]

Nobody really cares about this who has played the series. It plays fine at its current rate and graphics are always top notch along with top notch story and gameplay/smooth mechanics.

[srd4484]

Damn xbox parity holding ps4 back

[windblowsagain]

I don't really think alot of people get it.

Engines are not some magic whereby they are all the same, producing the same results.

Difference texture engines, geometry, shaders. lighting/shadowing systems.

Power is required in different area's.

Funny thing is.

All games on PS4 are compared to PC.

Not the leap from PS3 TO PS4.

[Bytor]

If Uncharted 4 runs at 30fps don't think that any old rig would run it at 60fps you would probably need a monster rig.

[Tedakin]

60 fps is overrated and not needed in a game like this.

[cruzngta]

Aw shit...da Bone is starting to hold back the almighty PS4 exclusive by Naughty Gods.....its sub 60 fps influence is VERY powerful...next thing you know Uncharted 4 will be 792p and sub 30 fps because of this!!!!

[Scatpants]

I really don't care if it's 30 or 60. People are acting like 30 is unplayable. All of the previous Uncharted games were 30 and they played fine. It's hardly even noticeable.

[jhoward585]

In case many of you haven't notice there's has been a complete tradeoff between having U4 run at 30fps or 60fps.

At 30fps you get many walk cycles /action move that chances on the fly depending on what the character is doing or what environment he is in. The skin stretches, there's many first and secondarily animation in U4, the leaves in the forest moves individually, the play mechanics are a lot more intuitive than the previous Uncharted games. You get all that at 30fps.

At 60fps you get most of those features I mentioned above are stripped away from the game. You get boring still backgrounds will very little to no animation in the environments at 60fps. The graphics will be heavily downgraded.

You pick which gaming experiences you what to have....

[Tedakin]

Waiting for someone to say they won't buy or play this if it's not 60fps......

[Many-hat5]

It's good that finally many gamers are now coming to the realisation that, with both the PS4 and the Xbox1, gamers were sold a pigs ear as a silk purse! It's good, not because I'm trying to run the consoles down - I own both,but because only when gamers unite on an issue does it get attention from MS and Sony. An example is MS and the DRM fiasco. The truth is, both consoles are relatively underpowered, that's not to say they aren't good, but we really shouldn't be having the resolution Vs fps debates in this generation. Both MS and Sony sold us short.It's the realisation of Four legs good, Two legs better. 30fps good, but 60fps better. When so many were touting the Four legs good, Two legs better mantra for so long. If you get my analogy.

[ebreda]

Show us a trailer at 60 fps supposedly running in console and say it is their target, completely forget about that 6 months later and rave about locked 30 fps.

Next gen.

[reallyNow]

What framerate was Uncharted 3 running at? It looked phenomenal in 3d. I want that. Uncharted 4 in 3d @ who cares what FPS, please.

[extravalue]

lol @ "nextgen"

[Yetter]

Okay fine Its 30fps. That doesn't bother me, but what does bother me is when Sony shows me an absolutely gorgeous Uncharted 4 cutscene running at 60fps apparently on PS4 hardware. When asked if that was a pre rendered cutscene, Naughty dog replied they were moving away from using cutscenes in their games and all of this was running in engine. 6 months later there is a significant decrease in detail and the devs are saying they can't get it running past 30fps.

Enough with the bait a switch Sony. Be honest at E3, its not that much to ask

[jholden3249]

Lol fanboys salivate reading headlines like that...

And developers are playing them for fools by sweet talking the hardware, because they know it makes fanboys whose egos thrive off hardware flattery more likely to buy their game and/or buy it sooner.

Not to say PS4 doesn't have excellent specs because it does, but this lip puckering flattery of hardware to coax sales is getting really, really old...

"Oh it's so smooth and delicious like a chocolate shake oh oh..." Childish nonsense

[srd4484]

It's so amazing and magical BUT we can't achieve that promise of 60fps like we showed you at e3. Oops

So i guess it's not as smooth and delicious as you claim.

[parentsbasement]

I really tire of FPS and RES and such , wish it wasn't even allowed to be mentioned...."Here's our game , see if you like it"

[Khronikos]

I don't want a half-assed 60FPS experience that looks like garbage from last gen. I have a PC. I need ND to produce something, and maybe unlock FPS if they have extra room, that does not look like PS3 at 60FPS. No thank you. I have as PC. Please just do your best at 30FPS solid.

I agree though DC comparisons are not valid. DC is barely a game where you control the camera. In a TPS you are swinging the camera a lot. TLOU looks pretty iffy at 30FPS TBH. But I can deal if this game looks a lot better than TLOU.

[cabinotier]

where the f*ck "1080p60fps guys" has gone ?

[konohashin]

Of course its "really hard" when you are incompetent and dont understand what a GAME is.

I mean TLoU on PS3 sometimes hit like 16 or so FPS. No wonder you cant reach 60 at all. When all you do is focus on visuals.

Remove some of the visual nonsense your game has and then 60 will suddenly be quite easy to achive.

UC4 looks good but visually i think its worse than UC3 .

Dont get me wrong its obviously more impressive from the technical perspective BUT its so realistic that the uncanny valley problem appears and then blocky world design destroys the visual experience. UC3 was clearly not as realistic and therefore it worked and I never experienced the uncanny valles problem.

UC3 was a stunner but It always looked like a game.

[TheCommentator]

"Like butter, smooth, delicious"
Will it make you fat or kill you if you use it too much?

[Tankbusta40]

Meh I have just learned that when I click on an article about a developer developing a highly anticipated game... It's most likely not going to be good news and some sort of excuse...

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

Naughty Dog is one of many Playstation devs that constantly make me question what the competitions devs can even get out of their games in comparison. Because nothing I've seen last gen or this gen by the competitors is moving industry standards along like Sonys devs do!

[kingPoS]

Just give me options. whether it's 60fps or 30fps and all the manageable effects between the two.

Dammit, give me both! I want slider options, a smorgasbord of tic boxes to select, or not to select.

Gateway MT6706 2008

[srd4484]

Let's go back over 230 days ago to this article that was POSTED HERE...
http://n4g.com/news/1532874...

All the excitement & hype but in the end you were lied to and it seems like you're okay with it.

[austinclaystephens]

Considering I can't see any noticeable fps lag in assassins creed unity (don't get me wrong the game sucks) I think I'll be OK. Plus ND has never disappointed me.