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Watch a DirectX 12 vs Direct X 11 Video Comparison, Showing up to 50% Performance Increase

During the Windows 10 Keynote Xbox Division Head Phil Spencer introduced a video comparison showcasing the performance of the upcoming DirectX 12 API pitched against the current DirectX 11.

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DarkOcelet3804d ago

Dx12 looks good. So does that mean it will increase the performance and frame rate if it crashed or stopped on dx11 on the same pc specs or what?

Pandamobile3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

It's a synthetic benchmark designed to show the shortcomings of the old APIs and how they've fixed that in the new one.

Adding ridiculous amounts of draw-calls on a DX11 application will eventually choke it and slow it down, especially with a crappy CPU. DX12 removes that big draw-call bottleneck and allows the CPU to keep the GPU fed with data more efficiently.

That's what going on here. It'll have much less effect on systems that already largely work around this bottleneck like the Xbox One does.

DarkOcelet3804d ago

Thanks for the explanation.

traumadisaster3804d ago

That was a great description.

Can I keep my ol 2500k due to dx12?

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GUTZnPAPERCUTZ3804d ago

But what about the "Every CPU core talking to the GPU instead of 1 core at a time" benefit? Supposedly only 1 CPU core can talk to the GPU and now all cores can talk to the GPU at one time, wouldn't that make the 6 (now 7ish)cores in the CPU be drastically more beneficial than just 1?

Kingscorpion19813804d ago

This will be great for High End PCs but not for Xbox one

GameNameFame3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

another coffin in the nail on having little impact on X1.

@LOLbiasedMUCH

Are you serious? You honestly think technology to use all cores dont exist unless DX12?

There is already software, middleware exist to do this. Even Ubisoft talked about this.

Time to accept reality.

Kleptic3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

gutzandpapercuts...

thats the main benefit, or more specifically...that is exactly where the draw call overhead is reduced...

with previous DX api's, frame culling was sync'd in a way that required a specific set of tasks to be completed before the draw call was sent to the GPU...

mantle, and now DX12...get around that by somewhat unlocking this issue by arranging the rendering path in a way that every core can independently send draw calls to the gpu...the reason it can do this is simplified calcs for the cpu, more of a brunt on the gpu (more 'behind the scene' stuff is being calculated by the gpu, of which was traditionally handled by a cpu)...which is fine, as currently gpu's are WAY ahead of modern cpu's in terms of processing potential.

This is precisely why mantle had some pretty big improvements on PC's with high core'd cpu's...but little to no improvement on cpu's with lower core counts, but high IPC figures...cpu's with high IPC numbers aren't stressed out by sync'd draw calls because they're blisteringly fast per cycle...but when a low IPC, high core cpu has the renderer split among 8 cores...its a major bottleneck...and mantle helped tremendously...

TL;DR...For PC, mantle and DX12 are API solutions that allow a bit of a dated cpu to run a very powerful gpu, and get great results...without either API, a weaker cpu won't be able to feed a powerful gpu.

for consoles, specifically the Xbox One?...be ready for a lot of marketing BS...both consoles already have very 'to the metal' api's, that is a fundamental advantage of a closed hardware system, and why the 'weaker' consoles continue to put out visuals a lot better than what the hardware would suggest...

UKmilitia3803d ago

so what cards are supported?
my 550ti wont be i bet

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Magicite3804d ago

the question is - when there will be DX12 compatible graphics cards for affordable price?

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Webbyy3804d ago

Oh Really? the nonbelievers will not like this at all.

Keep up the good work MS.

DarkOcelet3804d ago

Do we really need that? Keep it on topic. No need for fanboy debate, you are just asking for it.

TheRedButterfly3804d ago

This IS on topic! The topic is DX12 and what it can do vs DX11. Stop being an apologist.

DarkOcelet3804d ago

Oh am sorry, i didnt know the non believers were part of the topic. If he said Keep up the good work MS . I would not have said anything but he is asking for someone to troll just to prove his point. Why cant we just get along?

Charybdis3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

It already was part of the conversation, when looking at promised performane gains, there has been lot of skepticism from devs such as ice team and treyarch on what kind of advantage dx 12 would allow when it will launch in 2015 (edit first dx 12 games in 2015?). I am still not confinced but it should at least allow for easier cross platform development of apps and games in the windows 10 environment.
Good news seems to be that dx12 is now available to the big game engines such as unity and unreal.
edit : http://n4g.com/news/1488572...

q8kik3804d ago

@Charybdis

Ice Team and Trayarch were talking about the DX12 performance boost for the xbox One, not PC.

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Cyb3r3804d ago

Probably a dumb question but will I need to upgrade my Gefore GTX 680 to a DX12 card if I want to enjoy the benefits of DX12? I just bought my 680 and Im not too keen on upgrading my GPU again for quite a while

Pandamobile3804d ago

The GTX 680 is already years old at this point. You're going to need a DX12 GPU to take advantage of DX12.

deadfrag3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

It seems you dont know that nvidia cards from gtx 400 going forward will all support dx12, this was confirmed by Nvidia already!

Pandamobile3804d ago

That's completely different. Yes you can run DX12 applications on older cards, but you're not going to be able to take advantage of any of the features that require specialized hardware. It's simply a fallback.

Much like DX11 GPUs had all the extra bits for tessellation and stuff, DX12-native GPUs will have extra hardware built in for DX12-specific tasks.

neoandrew3803d ago

But the possible 50% increase will come out of lower cpu overhead in DX12, it will have nothing to do with DX12 gpu features, this is the first time that the performance will came from much better software, but to be honest, dx11 is just plain broken, broken hard.

So don't worry, maybe gtx 680 is old, but after dx12 update it will have a second life and great performance.

crazychris41243804d ago

"At GDC 2014, Microsoft and Nvidia have taken the lid off DirectX 12 — the new API that promises to deliver low-level, Mantle-like latencies with vastly improved performance and superior hardware utilization compared to DX11. Even better, DirectX 12 (and D3D 12) are backwards compatible with virtually every single GPU from the GTX 400 to the present day."

http://www.extremetech.com/...

Pandamobile3804d ago

i.e you'll be able to use the DX12 API on older cards, but you still won't be able to take advantage of any of the DX12 hardware features, cus you still lack the new hardware.

I'm curious why Rich would buy a GTX 680 in 2015, when there's so many better options out there.

neoandrew3803d ago (Edited 3803d ago )

@Pandamobile

So maybe list for us those DX12 hardware features that will make that increase in performance.

You are wrong, the performance increase WILL NOT COME FROM ANY DX12 hardware feature, it is pure software fix, yes fix, cuz dx11 is a broken mess.

Nobody says "i'm rich" nor will buy gtx 680 in 2015, but many people have 680 so there is no point to change it if it is great and will support dx12.

Femto3804d ago

the 680 is a beast, you should have no problem, just install windows 10 when it comes out and you'll be set.

Abriael3804d ago

All DX11 cards will be DX12 compatible, so no, no need to upgrade.

Gamer19823804d ago

Yep as DX12 is a new way for windows to access the GPU directly without middle-ware so to speak (laments terms) So the GPU itself won't need nothing more thana drive update to talk back however really old cards probably could do with an update anyway ;). DX11 cards shouldn't have an issue at all. It's not like when DX10 came out that was a whole new API that functioned differently and graphics were rendered differently to perform better. Thats not the case this time around. Thats also why it won't have a lot of impact on Xbox. Which is probably a good thing as DX upgrades in the past although have made graphical improvements they have actually SLOWED DOWN your hardware..

CryofSilence3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

You also need Windows 8 or later for dx12, I believe. Fortunately, I am on Windows 8.1 (will get 10) with a DX12 native GTX 970.

ARESWARLORD3804d ago

same here. Off topic those gtx 970's are amazing

Kingdomcome2473803d ago

It's neat that they're letting all Win 7 and up users to upgrade to 10 for free within the first year.

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kingtroy3804d ago

Like how they paused the Directx11 and kept moving the directx12 to show improvement

BLow3804d ago

I couldn't help but laugh outloud after reading your comment. Not saying its true but it made me laugh....thanks man

hello123804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

PC and x box 1 are more unified with windows 10 and directx12. Intel even showed weaker CPU's perform better with directx12 and guess what the x box 1 and PS4 have weak CPU's there is going to be a noticeable performance for x box 1. Playstation fans are falling into the trap directx12 will be more beneficial for PC they are going to be wrong on that.

From that video i see about 5 to 10 per cent increase in visual quality its not a huge leap and i think that maybe thats what Phil was on about massive change. I don't see a huge leap in graphics performance from directx11 to directx12 going by that video.

Mechanism i never said Sony would be unable to bring out something like directx12 in the future you must be confused? The problem it directx12 wasn't an overnight thing its takes many months if not years of coding. Sony would have to look at the code break it down and work at it could take a while to come out with something like it.

Mechanism the only people wrong about sales were you guys i remember you boys touting 16 million around October and November and i said it was around 13 to 14 million around November. I was right (13.5 end of october) you moron. Sony supposedly added 4 million consoles in December only for that 1 month everyones numbers on here were entirely inaccurate but you guys are too dumb to notice when wrong.

Mechanism3804d ago (Edited 3804d ago )

No, you are just far too naive to realise that Sony aren't just going to sit around and do nothing with regards to similar updates..

EDIT: I must be confused, O child.. Once again, you are so naive.. ha.. You think Sony have been sitting around doing nothing? You think they have nothing in the pipeline with regards to updates? Even though these DX12 plans have been known for a long time.. Man alive..

Sony fans are going to be wrong huh? Are they going to be as 'wrong' as you were about PS4 sales not long ago, what a joke. You got proven wrong multiple times, not just in that sales instance, but in nearly every comment you make.. You are the most deluded person on here without a shadow of a doubt..

You really do live in a dream world.

headblackman3803d ago (Edited 3803d ago )

@ Mechanism

microsoft isn't sitting still with system sells, but they are still loosing that battle right now. this api (dx12) will be no different from that situation. sony's not a software company! now they do enough to get buy, but they are a hardware company and they rely heavily on the muscle of the hardware, so no, i don't think that anyone believes that they will just sit back idle (and im sure you've never heard anyone ever say that or even allude to that simple minded thought), but neither will microsoft and we both know who's better at this software game.

just like people who prefer ps4 want people who prefer x1 to except and buy into the idea of microsoft not ever being able to catch up in system sales, people who prefer ps4 need to except that there is no way that the ps4 will ever catch up when it comes to superior software tools that allows the most for developers and to the consumers experience.

but again i say, no here or in this world believes that sony will sit by in an idle position and not at least attempt to compete in the api area.

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Gamer19823804d ago

AMD are going to love DX12 as it means more cores get used and AMD are all about the cores..

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Phil Spencer Teases 2026 As A "Really Special Year" For Xbox

2026 will mark the 25th anniversary of Xbox, and Phil Spencer has teased it as a "really special year" for the games division.

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TheEroica9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

You got downvotes by pathetic gamers for feeling hopeful about good games coming out next year. Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy? It is pretty neat to see people's world view blow up in front of them as they realize Microsoft has put themselves in a driver's seat that Sony hasn't been able to touch all generation.... What's even more pathetic is the same people downvoting you are the same people wishlisting Microsoft games on their ps5s 😂

P_Bomb9d ago

“Imagine how small your brain must be to downvote someone excited for future gaming joy?”

My dude your post history shits on EVERYTHING. You never have a good thing to say about anything lol! 🤣

PanicMechanic8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

“Getting ready for those GaaS reveals! Sony is a shadow of themselves this gen.”

You literally said this a couple of days ago. Start applying the clown make up, you hypocritical jester

derek9d ago

Yep we'll see, they have alot releasing next year.

RaidenBlack9d ago

NGL, next year might be one of the best years in gaming ... starting off with RE9 and GTA VI ...
and then all the good games that's been cooking
Pragmata, Sands of Time, Saros, Gears E-Day, 007 First Light, Blood of Dawnwalker,
Mortal Shell II, Onimusha, Marvel1943: Rise of Hydra
current-gen only Infinity Ward's CoD, Duskbloods
+ My guess: Wolverine, Exodus, Mudang, Crimson Desert, Clockwork etc ...
~ seems like it might get too stacked

1Victor8d ago

@rokos:”Hopefully “
I downvoted you not for been hopeful but because I have seen the same “NEXT YEAR WILL BE SPECIAL “ comment for the last 10+ and hasn’t seen anything special from Microsoft.
I hope next year will be the one that everyone been waiting for since the last 3 years of the Xbox 360, it have to be after over $80 billions spent on acquisitions.

Lightning778d ago

So the new excuse is they don't count because it's from the ABK now huh. I guess all those 3rd party games count even less because they don't own them. According to your always crappy logic.

InUrFoxHole8d ago

Lol. You haven't seen anything special? Do you even game?

OtterX9d ago

Always with the "next year..."! 😂

neutralgamer19929d ago

I don't know they have delivered this year and even last year. And they have a lot more content in the pipeline right now than anyone else. We can't just keep hating on MS

Indiana Jones
South of midnight
Avowed
Flight simulator
Hell Blade 2
Minecraft update
Gears of war reloaded
Indian Jones:expansion
Gears E day
Clockwork revolution
Fable
Doom the dark ages
The outer worlds 2
Grounded 2
Call of duty

OtterX9d ago

How many of those titles were just buyouts of companies that were going about making their games anyways? *Throws cash - "Oh look what we made!"

dveio9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

This list, that's been posted again, and again, and again in every single topic like this, contains almost nothing, literally almost nothing from Microsoft's own creational thoughtprocess.

It's a bunch of former 3rd party IPs.

Now even slowly returning to Playstation in some cases like Indiana, Hellblade, probably Starfield soon too, after they were made exclusively to Xbox on purpose.

Due to Microsoft's lack for own IP material except Halo & Forza. Which, the lack of, was the sole reason for all of it to happen in the first place anyway. Please don't pretend it wasn't.

And just look at all the games that come from Obsidian alone.

You really think Obsidian wasn't already working on Avowed and South of Midnight even without Microsoft buying Zenimax?

Microsoft delivered nothing but cheques.

OtterX9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

@dveio THIS. Lol, this dude thinks Call of Duty wouldn't exist without Microsoft! smh 😂

neutralgamer19929d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Common narrative I see often — that Microsoft shouldn’t get credit for the games its studios release because they “just bought them.” But this viewpoint ignores key context and sets a double standard that other platform holders aren’t held to

No one is saying these games wouldn't exist at all without Microsoft. But let’s not pretend that having a trillion-dollar company backing a studio doesn’t make a massive difference. Obsidian never had AAA funding before the Xbox acquisition. Pillars of Eternity was crowdfunded, and their resources were always stretched thin. Now they’re working on Avowed, with proper support behind it.

Ninja Theory’s Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice was made by around 20 people, using borrowed equipment and doing mocap in a boardroom. It was a passion project held together by tape and willpower. Today, Hellblade II exists because they were given resources, time, and freedom — something many developers don’t get unless they’re owned by a company that believes in their vision.

ZeniMax (Bethesda’s parent company) was in real financial trouble before the Microsoft acquisition. Reports and insider accounts have pointed out how much they needed a cash infusion. And while some people want to write off Xbox’s ownership of Bethesda titles, they forget the alternative could have meant layoffs or even closures.

The same goes for Activision Blizzard. Would you really prefer the company to stay under Bobby Kotick, after all the documented workplace misconduct and toxic leadership issues? Say what you want about Microsoft, but their acquisition brought accountability and change to a company that desperately needed it.

At the same time, Xbox gets hated on for doing what every major company does. Sony bought Housemarque, Bluepoint, Insomniac — but no one says Spider-Man 2 “doesn’t count” because of that. Why does Xbox get treated differently for acquiring struggling or undervalued developers and giving them a chance to thrive?

And the idea that Xbox locks games away is outdated. They're pushing cross-platform releases, cloud gaming, Game Pass, and backward compatibility more than any other platform holder. They're not forcing all studios into live service. If anything, their upcoming lineup is less GAAS-heavy and more focused on narrative and creativity — Avowed, South of Midnight, Clockwork Revolution, Fable, Perfect Dark, Towerborne, and others show real variety.

Whether people like it or not, Xbox is now the biggest publisher in the industry and owns the most gaming IPs. But what matters more is how they treat their studios. Most of these teams were previously stuck making AA games with limited scope — now they’re getting the tools and support to aim higher.

So when people say “Microsoft didn’t make those games,” they’re missing the point. It’s not about who started the studio — it’s about who enabled them to do their best work. You don’t have to love Xbox to admit they’ve helped a lot of developers and are taking a player-first approach.

Instead of writing off everything they do, maybe try recognizing the good they’re doing for both devs and gamers. At the end of the day, we should want more studios to succeed — no matter who owns them

BeHunted9d ago

I'm surprised Clockwork Revolution (BioShock meets Dishonored) isn't getting more media attention. The game looks interesting and reminds me of the old RPG games.

anast9d ago

The only good game on that list is Flight sim. The rest are either average or will be average. It's not a good look for MS.

TheEroica9d ago

My god.... Look how many comments are upset about microsoft's successes... 😂 This may be my new favorite thread. Not one gamer saying thanks for all the goodness coming their way, just bitter anger and downvoting the very games they themselves will purchase throughout 2026.... Sony really worked you guys over this generation.... Condolences.

DivineHand1259d ago

@neutralgamer1992 You said what needed to be said.

I have heard for years from older gamers that fanboys are the biggest issue with any fanbase. They will defend or gloss over negative news as long as the correct logo is on the box and they bash the competing platform no matter how much good they are trying to bring.

Right now their advocacy for PlayStation is elevating that platform so high that Sony no longer believes they need to do anything to satisfy their loyal fanbase like they did in the PS4 days.

I just hope most of them will eventually start advocating for themselves and encourage others to do the same. No one should blindly support one platform because these companies do not care about anything other than profit.

neutralgamer19929d ago

Hunted

And first proper game done by the studio with proper AAA budget and saying it will be released when ready

Anast

I believe we went through this before that you are objectively wrong. Meta critic, user reviews, game sales. In Playstation top 10 best selling games were 5 from Microsoft studios

Otter

No this dude is saying so many other studios wouldn't be thriving without MS money and people would be getting abused physically and mentally with Bobby kotick and his side kicks

Also maybe look up how the original founder of Bethesda and zenimax was kicked out of his own company by his best friend lawyer. So that was always a shady place and had been struggling financially before MS paid a premium of almost 7 billion

Eroica

I use to be a die hard Playstation fan and now I only have a Pc. I see how these fans are so toxic. They just can't handle any positive news regarding Xbox. When the best selling games on playstation are Xbox titles. Look at Forza horizon being best seller and that's years old game by MS. I guess ms don't deserve credit for that success too since they are the only company in gaming making acquisitions

Forget the fact Sony paid 3.6 billion for bungie and MS 6.9 for zenimax. Which investment has turned out better

Destiny and marathon with a lot of controversy

While zenimax output is nothing short of amazing compared to what bungie has released

crazyCoconuts9d ago

Yeah it's tricky. "Xbox" has morphed to mean different things to different people.
Console, now Windows, GamePass, and the cross platform games. There's a mix of attitudes towards all those things individually, and maybe an overarching attitude towards MS. But can't argue that the game companies MS recently bought continue to flourish, and GamePass PC has been a great value over the last year.

InUrFoxHole8d ago

@OtterX
You're the dude mad at your exes new guy. She's with someone else... get over it.

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Lightning779d ago (Edited 9d ago )

They've had good output so far. So waiting for those games shouldn't be a problem.

Who cares if they're buy outs of companies or whatever excuse you want to make. They're games that are being distributed to other console. Play the games and enjoy it instead of fanboying or complaining.

ocelot079d ago

They going to be a he best and biggest publisher on Xbox, Playstation and PC next year. They not really said anything about Switch 2 though spite claiming to be big supporters.

quenomamen9d ago

If you call making one last Xbox before going full Sega, as Great. Then yea.

TheEroica9d ago

Doesn't feel like you're paying attention to what's happening.

RhinoGamer889d ago

It will be, his net work will hit 50 million and he plans to buy a new mansion in Cape Cod. Thanks everyone! #failup

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Phil Spencer 'Very Excited' About Xbox Handheld Plans For 2025

With ASUS seemingly teasing an Xbox handheld last week, there's been a lot of talk about the device in the days ever since, and Xbox boss Phil Spencer has also teased something to do with handhelds happening in 2025

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neutralgamer199275d ago

I really hope this isn't a windows based device even though coming from MS that's highly unlikely. SteamDeck is much much easier to use and offers a much better user experience than any other handheld device because it's all based on steam app. The Xbox handheld should be based on that because a Windows device with a 7-8 inch screen makes it's difficult to navigate

darthv7275d ago

Coming from Asus... its going to be an Xbox branded ROG Ally.

neutralgamer199275d ago

That's fine but hopefully it will be a Xbox app based instead of windows

VenomUK74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

When the casual market learn that there’s going to be an Xbox branded Asus handheld they will cancel their Nintendo Switch 2 preorders and get the Asus. No it won’t have exclusive games like Super Mario or Zelda or Metroid or Pilot Wings or Mario Kart or Animal Crossing or Donkey Kong or Pokémon or Super Smash Bros - but who cares as it will have access to the entire library of the Steam Store running on Windows. It will also have access to Game Pass with all the modern day classics like Avowed, Hellblade II and Grounded and Pentiment.

I think we all have to acknowledge that after all the criticism of Switch 2 on ResetEra it’s evidence that it will fail to sell and the Asus will outsell it. Dreamcast pushed Sega out of hardware, we all have to accept that the perfect storm of Switch 2 pricing, an Xbox-branded Asus and Phil Spencer and Aaron Greenberg’s persuasive promotion will likely kill off Switch 2 within a month. AND YOU CAN QUOTE ME ON THAT.

FinalFantasyFanatic74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

@VenomUK,
I don't think that even has a remote chance of happening, Nintendo has so much brand loyalty, even with the backlash on their not so great pricing, I still think it's going to sell, Xbox doesn't have as much brand loyalty. Plus, if it's just Xbox branded ROG Ally or something similar, why not just choose a ROG ally or Steam Deck? They can both do everything that an Xbox branded handheld can. If Xbox is going to compete in the world of windows based handhelds, it has so much competition, it's going to struggle.

You're way too optimistic about the Xbox handheld and the demise of the Switch 2, I'm going to predict the opposite and say the Switch 2 will demolish the Xbox handheld in terms of sales/popularity.

S2Killinit74d ago

@VenomUK
Not sure if sarcasm or satire.

VenomUK74d ago

@S2Killinit Satire. I’m not going to hate on people for being excited for a new console. But what is happening in the Xbox community is something wicked, content creators are hyping up the Asus to their audience about how great this thing is, and how it will be more powerful than the Switch 2 and the Steam Store outweighs any advantage the Switch 2 has with its library of games. I don’t believe they believe it but they are grifting. By all means look forward to it but don’t sell it as a Switch 2 PS5 killer.

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PanicMechanic75d ago

Steam Os is amazing. By far the best. Can’t imagine MS having an OS that can top it (CERTAINLY not windows)

crazyCoconuts75d ago

Well they're gonna try. They've already stated they've been working on it.

FinalFantasyFanatic74d ago

Windows as is, isn't a great experience for a handheld, they really need to make a dedicated handheld OS, unfortunately they've always been hellbent on making a single product for both PC/touch screen use.

I really can't imagine them making something that stands up to Steam OS, it just works so well.

RaidenBlack74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

This is not their in-house made Xbox handheld for next-gen, which is slated for release in 2027 alongside with the next Xbox console, which might run a version of their usual Xbox-ified OS optimized for the handheld.
This is just a brand collab to produce an Xbox branded updated Asus RoG Ally (Project Kennan), which as usual ships with Windows. Think of it as the 5th main competitor in handheld PC market, after Deck, Legion Go, Ally and MSi Claw (I know others exist, but these are the popular ones).
https://wccftech.com/xbox-h...
And RoG Ally didn't get an update this year like the Legion Go, so this Xbox-Asus one might be that?
Anyways, even with 2025 chip upgrade, the Legion Go underperforms compared to 2023 Ally and 2024 Ally X.

crazyCoconuts75d ago

It can't be anything but Windows if it has the Xbox brand on it. Outside of the politics (which would be a showstopper), SteamOS/Linux can't run GamePass natively due to the crazy protections implemented by the Windows Store.

neutralgamer199275d ago

I am not asking the Xbox handheld to run steam, I just wanted a dedicated Xbox app on the handheld that handles everything from playing games, downloading games, gamepass and most importantly all updates are done from that app. Just a better overall user experience

Having to download multiple different things on a Windows based device becomes really a chore in a smaller screen.

crazyCoconuts75d ago

Having the windows handheld auto launch the existing Xbox Windows app will accomplish everything you mentioned, and I'm sure that's what this will be.
Fact is that MS will need to add a lot into that app to incorporate all the system level controls Steam incorporated into their handheld UI.

OmegaSoldati74d ago

Steam Deck for the win! Switch too.

Profchaos74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

It'll be windows all leaks indicate this is a windows based device with a Xbox skin it will integrate other storefronts because at its core it's windows.

@venom there's is no chance that parents will be buying their kids a rog ally setting up steam and other storefronts over a Nintendo switch 2 at Christmas.

That's a mass amount of hopium there.

Portable PC's in total have barely cracked six million sold the switch 2 will continue to dominate the casual crowd all known about it and news of a switch successor has already started spreading in mainstream media

neutralgamer199274d ago

I think switch 2 will do well but dominate I think we need to wait and see. The prices of the console and games is much more than switch so don't expect parents in this inflation time to spend $600 on 2 games and a console. Since it's Nintendo it should sell but I think we are underpaying the importance of the inflated market

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anast75d ago

Every inch of this things is going to be a subservice.

Aloymetal75d ago

And an even bigger flop in the making, it's like they're just throwing crap at the wall and see what sticks or rather find another ''clever'' way to keep squeezing more money from the already miniscule and gullible fanbase. Smfh.

Reaper22_74d ago

Squeezing money. Isn't that what sony is doing with tbe ps5pro. And what about all those remakes and locking some ps4 games to a subscription.

ABizzel174d ago

At first I thought this was a huge mistake on MS part. But after thinking about this more and more, while I still don’t think it’s going to do anything beyond 10 - 20 million in sales, I think that’s exactly what MS and ASUS are expecting and both are okay with.

I assume this is more of Asus saying to MS, look we have ten/twenty million of these handheld PCs already in production and we’ve only been able to sell a couple millions, partner with us and let’s brand them as Xbox handhelds ASUS will do all the heavy lifting so we don’t take a loss on all these, and all MS has to do is market the platform and put your logo, the new Xbox OS/app you’ve been working on, and together we’ll helps each other out and push more GamePass subscriptions.

That make complete logical sense as to why this came about, because otherwise….. So technically it would be a win:win for both companies, or a win for MS and a reduction of loss of ASUS, even if they only sell 10m - 20m units.

As for the handheld itself honestly, it should be solid and most likely based on the Rog Ally 7, but hopefully with the Rog Ally X case as that has a much better port and I/O layout. Plus if the Xbox OS is wayyyyyyy lighter than Windows then it should be a a good piece of tech getting more performance than the Ally 7 Windows version for around $499.

But that’s where the next problem comes into play…..Price. It’s Switch 2 all over again. The slight different is outside of the potential of DLSS, this should be a slightly more powerful handheld, especially if they create their own dock, but that dock will likely be sold separately meaning now we’re looking at $550 or more, for what will essentially be a docked Xbox Series S and a slightly more powerful SteamDeck / Switch 2 in handheld mode.

peppeaccardo75d ago

The Irrelevant-Held will be able to connect to the XFLOP Series X

anast74d ago

ha! It might last longer than the Stadia.

Profchaos74d ago

Basically what windows os turning into now every few weeks logging on I'm greeted with a hey how about some office 365 or your gamepass lapsed how about renewing and decline is in little blue writing while subscribe is a huge button

anast74d ago

This and I also get a pop up to subscribe to Xbox GamePass.

PanicMechanic75d ago

So smart of you caveman Phil sphincter. Did you get the memo on what Nintendo is releasing this year?

Kyizen75d ago

I dont trust Microsoft to build an OS for this looking at the Windows phone so I think this will be just Windows with a Steam like Big Picture mode locked in the UI to launch games.

Rockstar75d ago

This is good advice from Reaper here. I trust your advice and you've got my word...I wont buy it.

Thanks Reaper!

YourMommySpoils75d ago

Then don't complain about facts.

PanicMechanic74d ago (Edited 74d ago )

So in other words, it’s just another ROG Ally. I think MS has a winner🤣🤣

FinalFantasyFanatic74d ago

I remember when my sister bought a Windows phone, that thing was missing so many basic features, she didn't even own the phone for 3 months before getting frustrated and swapping it out.

Profchaos74d ago

I'll be honest I had a older relative that loved the windows phone cause it had a huge dial, contacts and camera button that was all it got used for.

Oh and it was bright green so easy to find

Moral of the story one person's trash is another's treasure

Reaper22_74d ago

Windows phones weren't the best but I also remember sonys phones didn't fare too well either. As a matter of fact they're newest ones aren't doing so great either. Not even in Japan. That says alot.

Profchaos74d ago

@reaper22 honestly Shane about the Sony phones to I brought the Xperia 3 when they announced remote play for it and it was one of the best ones I have had the battery lasted a few days the camera was some obscene 50mp but the physical design lagged behind Samsung and I think that was a huge reason it failed

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Xbox Boss Phil Spencer Reassures Xbox Gamers Their Gaming Library Isn't Going Anywhere

Xbox's CEO Phil Spencer assures that, even though they are expanding to other platforms, Xbox gamer's libraries aren't going anywhere.

jznrpg124d ago

Phil, the words of a guy who only speaks the truth.

If I was an Xbox owner I wouldn’t feel comfortable with what he just said

crazyCoconuts123d ago

Reading his quote sounds like word salad. I'm not sure he said anything really.

darthv72123d ago

I'd rather him say more of our library will be made available now. It sucks to have so many 360 era games still stuck in limbo, especially Activision ones now that they are buddy buddy.

VenomUK123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

Sarah Bond had committed to backwards compatibility, so interpreting Phil Spencer’s quote, old Xbox games will always be playable with a PS3 on PSN like cloud solution, and on new hardware if a new Xbox console is ever released.

https://metro.co.uk/2024/04...

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Scissorman124d ago (Edited 124d ago )

why does this even need to be reassured? it really goes to show you how nervous there fanbase is.

Eonjay124d ago

Right. I was thinking the same thing. This shouldn't be some sort of 'benefit' for Xbox gamers as MS goes to Sony and Nintendo... This should just be implied. No matter where the games go in the future should have any impact on the purchased games libraries of current Xbox consumers.

pwnmaster3000124d ago

Yup no matter how much they say they don’t care, the fanbase care lol

Profchaos124d ago (Edited 124d ago )

What's left of them one the last 12 months I've seen Xbox consoles flooding second hand marketplaces and going for half of their RRP

In addition this interview the whole panel was clearly not believing the viewpoint but not wanting to offend their guest

LabRat123d ago

When (or "if") Xbox goes out of hardware those who don't play on Cloud or prefer hardware...where will they play their library?

PhillyDonJawn122d ago

Not the question. If you already gave the hardware and games. Why would it disappear?

Chocoburger124d ago

Ah yes, Phillip, the pinnacle of honesty, and he never changes his mind. We can all take his word for it without hesitation. 🤥

Profchaos124d ago

He did but in the follow up sentence he talked about charging pricing because they are a business so who knows maybe the next gen box has a fee to use their emulator service I imagine wine ports to a PC architecture

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