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Digital Foundry vs Watch Dogs on Wii U

Eurogamer:
"Some might suggest that it's the end of an era. While Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 have continued to receive conversions (of varying quality) of the majority of the recent AAA hits, Nintendo's Wii U has clearly missed out this season, with Assassin's Creed, FIFA, Call of Duty, Destiny and many others conspicuous by their absence. Delayed for six months, Watch Dogs could well be the last major multi-platform release the console sees - Ubisoft itself declaring that it's the last mature title it's willing to bring to Wii U. Going into the game, initial buzz on the internet seemed positive, with talk of the game sitting between the last-gen and PS4/Xbox One versions - right where you'd hope it would be, given the capabilities of the more modern Nintendo hardware."

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XboxOneX3853d ago

Wii U is a very powerful console. I do not know why it took so long for Ubisoft to release it for Wii U.

Lulz_Boat3853d ago

WUT?? the frame rate isn't even on par with PS3

WalterWJR3853d ago

Hats off to ubi, they managed to keep a solid 20fps 99% of the time with very rare dips below.

AKR3853d ago

Not the fault of the console; it's the fault of the developer. There are a bunch of games running at a smooth 30 frames, and even more so, 60 - on the U.

Svinya3853d ago

Akr - not open world games..

Concertoine3853d ago

cant believe people disagreed with AKR after Smash just came out running in 1080p 60fps.

i wish digital foundry would've talked about that instead. i really cant believe it runs in 1080p.

Svinya3853d ago

Concertoine - i guess you and akr don't realize the difference between a demanding open world game and smash..

abstractel3853d ago (Edited 3853d ago )

You are diluted if you think the Wii U is a "powerful" console. Slightly more powerful than the Xbox360 and PS3 yes, but doesn't compare to PS4/XB1. Ask _any_ developer (except Nintendo of course).

Have you noticed that all decent looking Wii U games are cartoon shaded? It's because it doesn't have enough texture memory. And don't bring up the new Xenoblade doesn't compare to the likes of Infamous SS, Ryse and others. Look at any media, stills and videos. Objectively.

That doesn't mean you are not allowed to love your Wii U, but power wise it just doesn't compare. It's like some of you guys are in denial.

quantae063852d ago

@Svinya I guess we'll have to see when Xenoblade Chronicles X releases. It's also an open world game.

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Darkwatchman3853d ago

The ps4 and Xbox one are underpowered in comparison to previous gens when consoles upon release were comparable to high end pc's. The ps4 and Xbox one were already outdated at launch so how the hell is the wii u a "powerful" console

windblowsagain3853d ago

PS3/360 were never close to High end PC'S.

Even though they had some very good looking games.

PS4 is obviously the most powerful of the consoles and produces very good high graphics/performance for the cost.

Compute will be used much more often to offload cpu work.

WII U is not a next gen machine.

Ninty are always a gen behind.

XboxOneX3853d ago

The Wii U has a lot of power look at some of the games from Nintendo that run in 1080p and high fps. I think the issue is with developers not porting the game correct from one console to the other.

Darkwatchman3853d ago (Edited 3853d ago )

Ummmm, upon release the Xbox 360 had a gpu in it that you couldn't even buy for your PC until MONTHS after

And to the other guy, okay 1080p 60fps doesn't mean much if the games aren't technically demanding. Any wiiu game that runs at 720p60fps or 1080p60fps can EASILY be done on the ps4 and Xbox one because they're much more powerful systems. 1080p poop is still just poop.

Chrischi19883853d ago (Edited 3853d ago )

First of all, Nintendo games are no poop, they dont look like poop, actually, they look very beautiful, a thing, you guys with your resolution and reality talk always miss. There is not one game on the other consoles, that looks even closely as beautiful as Pikmin 3 does.

Then again, they said powerful console, not PC. And Xbox360 having a GPU, that wasnt even out before, has no meaning in terms of power, as every new gen, has weak and powerful gpus, they are all new. These consoles were never close to a high end PC, mid PC, yes, but you guys obviously have no idea, what high end in terms of PC means.

And to the Watch Dogs comparision... Anyone who says, that it looks so aweful, that he can not play it on Wii U, has serious problems, yes PS4 version looks better, but the difference is not night and day, besides resolution and fps (we all know, Ubi is retarded in that department and doesnt even get it right on PCs), the only real thing is some lighting and definitely the anti-aliasing. Yeah yeah, because of that, the game is unplayable, not! ^^

jmc88883853d ago

Actually you are wrong, 360/PS3 were much more powerful at launch compared to PC's then XB1/PS4 were.

In fact, if you took the 360 and PS3 and cut their power in half, they would still top the power of the PS4/XB1 at launch (comparatively).

360/PS3 were pretty much bleeding edge. You had the same graphics card with half the memory, but you got it earlier AND you had some features that didn't make their way into GPU's for two PC GPU generations later.

On top of this you had a tri-core or Cell CPU when the average CPU was single or hodge-podge dual CPU (the true dual cores and beyond wouldn't come for another year or so).

I should know, because I built a high end PC in 2004. AMD FX-53 (you know the last time AMD actually beat Intel CPU's), and a Geforce 6800 Ultra. That was bleeding edge high end, one year earlier then launch of the 360, and the 360 was very close indeed, and in some ways was better. Same with PS3. Oh and that CPU/GPU combo, cost over $1600 just for those two parts.

Comparatively you could buy a midrange PC GPU from 2012 and easily beat a PS4. In fact my previous GPU, the GTX 670 trounces a PS4 pretty handily and it only cost $399 in May of 2012, a full year and half before the PS4 even launched.

Meanwhile on the CPU, a stock i7 920 from late 2008 easily trounces the CPU in both consoles. (let alone if it's overclocked from 2.66 ghz to 4.0 like it could EASILY do on air cooling)

Already right now you can get a GTX 970 which has the raw power of over THREE XB1's and over TWO PS4's. 4 TFLops vs 1.8 or 1.3. All for $329-369. Bleeding edge would be quad-Titan Z's. That's a PC running with FOUR, 8 TFLOPS graphic cards. For a theoretical 32 TFLOPS. That's nearly 25x the raw power of an XB1.

Hey I like my PS4. I like my Wii U. Wii U games look nice in the Nintendo way. They are different then many others and should be commended for striving for excellence based on the parameters they set forth. But they also have to alter some of those parameters so their next console has enough power.

So yes the 360/PS3 could easily keep up with $3000-4000 PC's made within the last year or so, had many advantages that weren't even out for PC's yet, whereas the XB1/PS4 would of been considered a midrange GPU in 2011 with a lowish-medium end CPU in 2008-2009.

If the PS4/XB1 wanted to be on the same level comparatively to PC's when the 360/PS3 came out. It would easily need to be 2-3x stronger in the GPU and the CPU would need to be an actual desktop CPU, not a mobile chip clocked insanely low.

Tempest3173853d ago (Edited 3853d ago )

@darkwatchman @jmc8888 I'm not disagreeing that ps3/360 were more powerful "on paper" than ps4/x1 compared to pc's of the time. However, since you had an fx 53/6800 ultra then you also know that no games released on consoles ever came close to pc gaming on a lower tier. I had an athlon 64 (overclocked to 3.0)/6800 gt myself 2gb ram. Ran games at higher resolution with eye candy and better fps, with far inferior specs. Never ever in my life has a console game looked better than even just mid-range pc, and it wasn't until ps4/x1 did they even come close. All these arguments are about what was more powerful, but the simple fact is that that power wasn't utilized.

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Kumomeme3852d ago (Edited 3852d ago )

thunderbear,you said wii u was slightly strong than ps3/360 but not stronger as ps4/xbox1...thats true

but the how the games currently looks and how you said it indicated it has lack memory texture indicated that you diluted to such conclusion barely from how the game currently looks but not on specs
also after stated that,not very wise to obviously compared to xbox one and ps4 games like ryse....the console not huge leapt like ps4/xbox1 compared to last gen..after saying that why compared with game from with console that stronger and more capable than it

wii u have same number edram as xbox1,with 3x edram than 360,with additional 1gb memory available for games compared 256mb available for ps3 and 360 which is 4x more..and more stronger gpu...on paper,aside of higher resolution,the console atleast could pull slightly more 'polished' quality than ps3/360 in regard the resources advantage it has

also,dont forget that nintendo are more focused on the art direction than solely on visual,and surely the console still not maxed out,even soo some of games already looking better than previous gens console especially lot of game are running 1080p and 60fps,and nintendo also tend to focusing on gameplay experience where the focused on higher framerates

wii u its more like 'definitive' version of ps3/360,where it had extra abilites on the field that those console lack of like memory and modern gpu
nad gpgpu compute

also,don't forget there are lot of lazy ports of 3rd party games on wii u

its depend on devs how they decide their game looks and what need to be sacrifice with how much effort they have and how much resource on console they have

even eurogamers pointed out reasonable conclusion there

SilentSolid3853d ago

Mah gawd. The framerate on wii u is hurribluu o.o

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Volkama3853d ago (Edited 3853d ago )

WTF the Wii U and PS3 versions can't even render the car the right colour. Clearly they lack the necessary ROPS, TFLOPS, GBOPS, and bandwidth to do a colour as intense as yellow. No wonder this version didn't sell well.

Summons753853d ago

Looks really good, can't wait to play.

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The entire WatchDogs series is 87% off and it's not even Black Friday

If you are looking for a bargain, check out the huge discounts across the entire WatchDogs series on Steam.

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Watch Dogs Deserves A Remake, More Than Ever

With the world of information and technology, privacy and security growing every day, Watch Dogs deserves another chance in the spotlight, now more than ever.

RaidenBlack1417d ago

The only Ubi title that deserves a faithful remake right now is Splinter Cell 1.
All 2014+ Ubi titles are just underwhelming. Especially ones from 2016+ are just cancer.

LucasRuinedChildhood1417d ago (Edited 1417d ago )

Seriously, are we so far removed from Ubisoft actually making good games that people now praise Watch_Dogs in retrospect?

"Watch_Dogs has remained one of my favourite games of the last ten years." Jesus Christ.

HankHill1417d ago

I remember being so disappointed in Watch Dogs when I played it at release. It was alright, but I think I fell for the hype and I needed a game to play on my new PS4.

obidanshinobi1417d ago

This is what happens when mediocrity gets praised as good.
Standards are slipping across the whole entertainment industry.
What was once considering rubbish is now considered as OK, what once was OK is now being praised as good etc etc.

LamerTamer1416d ago

Everyone has their own likes. I liked it a lot myself. I played through it twice and liked the car chases and the open world with fairly decent environments and missions. It suffered from the whole downgrade thing where they showed graphics that weren't actually there. No game will appeal to everyone but it was still ambitious for it's time.

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gantarat1417d ago

assassin's creed 1 should get a remake.

ExBee1417d ago

For certain! AC1 was brilliant at the time but with new graphics and gameplay it would be amazing! Do you prefer old combat or new though?

RaidenBlack1417d ago

I'd say a reimagining of AC1.
I direct AC1 remake would be a bad idea. It'll need better story pacing and significant better world building.

BlaqMagiq11416d ago

Old. Let it play like how it did with AC2-Syndicate style gameplay but refine the setting and story.

Profchaos1417d ago

It would need a lot changed for it to be enjoyable again as even back in 2007 on launch we were all complaining about it's repetitive gameplay go here perform one of three side quests repeat then assassination now do it over and over until a big battle with a unforgiving checkpoint system.

BlaqMagiq11416d ago

Absolutely. It needs it. The only AC I truly didn't enjoy.

chicken_in_the_corn1416d ago

I'd prefer it didn't. Ubisoft would make it so bloated, it wouldn't be anywhere near the original

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smolinsk1417d ago (Edited 1417d ago )

Absolutely, this watch dogs legion was terrible boring.

Profchaos1417d ago (Edited 1417d ago )

As a fan of the franchise legion was garbage and I regretted my purchase for the first time in the franchise the entire thing felt like an experiment in NPC behaviour and released without the writers input on what makes a good story.

I don't think I'm alone in that feeling though as wrench and Aiden are brought back and the campaign was rewritten to fit them.

I am tempted to buy the season pass to play it again with Aiden but fool me twice shame on me I'm waiting for a deep sale

camel_toad1417d ago

Agreed. Despite the annoying hipness of the characters in part 2 I thought it was a really fun game. I was extremely disappointed and surprised at how many steps back they took with Legion. You'd think it was made by an entirely different team. Or was it?

It was just so devoid of fun.

LamerTamer1416d ago

Honestly one of my biggest annoyances with Legion is that they took out the camera views for the driving. I mean the behind the car view that they stuck us with is near unplayable. I always used a first person driving view. After two releases why did they take OUT features? I don't get it.

TheSinsibleOne1417d ago

The fist watchdog game was the best by far
After that they weren't weird and annoying with that hipster stuff. Aiden was a badass.

LamerTamer1416d ago

I thought so at first too. I got used to it and it ended up being good after some play time. I just had to give it a chance.

TheEnigma3131417d ago

Remake the PoP series from xbox/ps2/gc era

RaidenBlack1417d ago

They are remaking Sands of Time.

TheEnigma3131417d ago

That's good news. Hopefully it's done right.

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Inside the Driver game that died so that Watch Dogs could live

From VG247: "When cars slide, they leave tyre marks. In a game like Driver, they’re an aesthetic touch, part of the inherent cool of a handbrake turn. But those dark shadows in the road also tell a story. From tyre marks, you can determine the speed of a vehicle, when it started to skid, and its ultimate direction of travel – long after the car itself has vanished into the distance."

vallencer1481d ago

Different spellings in different parts of the world friend. Tyre is a correct way to spell it.

Pridefall1481d ago

Dunno why you got downvpted when tyre is correct in Australia.

mikefizzled11481d ago

The mystery that is En Fore Gee

neutralgamer19921481d ago

Give us driver San Francisco remastered

IGiveHugs2NakedWomen1481d ago

Why did they stop making some of the best games ever? Driver was one of them.

Gameseeker_Frampt1481d ago

Assassins Creed 2 showed Ubisoft how to make money and Far Cry 2 showed them that gamers don't like complex ideas. Now Ubisoft just turns out games that are just variations of the same thing.

WeAreLegion1481d ago

Best driving mechanics ever made. Nothing has come close.

Gardenia1481d ago

A story driven game with pure driving gameplay. I'd love to see a new Driver game or a remake of the first one.

ApocalypseShadow1481d ago

Yes. This one. A definite remake of the first without adding any ridiculous fluff. The first game had great physics and sound for its time. The start of the car in the beginning cinema I watched constantly. My father and uncles were big muscle and classic car freaks. Only thing crazy about the game was the relentless cops in the last level. Insane the way those police cars were and launched at you.

Bleemcast made it look better just like PC emulators. But would definitely take a remake.

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