120 developers working on PS3 Killzone

Today, the long silence on the game was broken by the Dutch newspaper de Volksrant. In an article titled, "A video game more expensive than the most expensive film," the daily highlights the next-gen Killzone and its developer, Amsterdam-based and Sony-owned Guerilla Games. The piece's name comes from the fact that the game is costing more to develop than the priciest film in Dutch history, director Paul Verhoeven's World War II thriller Black Book (Zwartboek).

While Black Book cost more than 16 million euros (approximately $21 million), Guerilla won't mention specific numbers for Killzone's budget. "Our budget tops [the film]," said Killzone director Arjan Brussee. "We're working on the biggest multimedia project in Dutch history."

Killzone's high cost is due to the labor-intensive development nature of graphically demanding next-generation games. "Work that used to take someone a week now takes him a month," said Brussee. Currently, some 120 developers are working on Killzone--roughly three times the staff of the first Killzone. Interestingly, half of dev tem comes from outside the Netherlands, up from one third on the PlayStation 2 original.

Another factor driving up the game's price tag is localization, as the new Killzone will be fully translated in 20 different languages. This effort will pay off in the long run, Brussee thinks. "You sell 30 to 40 percent more [units] with a translated version," he said.

[MicroGamer]

but if they are dumping all this money into a PS3 exclusive, they better be prepared to lose it. I don't think PS3 is going to take off enough to make it worth investing over $21 million.

[CLX]

Does $21 million include the dev kit cost? also why does it take so much time and money for 120 developers to make a lukewarm game? hmmm... the ps3 must be expensive and hard to develop games for. It seems like that would not be a very profitable business.

[Thugbot187]

I think Sony people just disagree just to click the button. If you had any common sense or knew anything about return profit you would understand. Chances of everyone picking up a copy of this game that owns the system is slim. Not to say the rather small install base of the platform, due to Sony not being able to produce the amount of consoles it would like. Chances are with those two factors and such a high development cost they might not make back the money. Had this game been on an install base like the PS2 they would stand a very good chance of making the money back (That’s why a large install base, is what publishers like to here.)

[shysun]

The game wont be out untill 2008 bro....I think they'll have enough PS3s in households by then,to cover the cost.Nice try though.

[stingray9191]

sorry shysun the ps3 wont sell that many consoles by the time kill zone goes gold, even if sony could make them that fast.

[shysun]

If you don't think Sony will sell well over 15million PS3 in two years,you're nothing more than a dumb ass fanboy.360 sold 7 million in one year and gears is raking in the dough.You fanboys......

[SweGoliath]

be the game that makes me by a Ps3 so i can have it on the side of my 360 :D.... If it is so big that they are saying and with those visualls that is on the screens,,, then the ps3 will be in my home,,, butt if it is a tine bitt lower then the visuells on the screen,, i have to think about it ,,, what do you future ps3 byers think,, and no i am nott a 360 fan,,,

[Capt CHAOS]

Infact, I think MS stink and sell the virtues of Linux to my kids all the time (something that the PS3 will run without any issues).

And what does this mean?

"..the fact that the game is costing more to develop than the priciest film in Dutch history.."

I didn't know that the dutch had a large film industry.. lol

[PS3n360]

I would buy a PS3 if an exclusive game came onto it that was on par with gears. I hope this game can do it cause I love gadgets. It has been mentioned before that it costs alot more to develop on PS3 so a big budget doesnt neccessarily mean a better game. Just a more expensive one. Still I get excited when I hear of a developer throwing everything they have at a project cause it sometimes produces a gem. I never heard of killzone before so I will look it up now.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

There is also a reason behind all the silence. They probably don't give too much info about this game, cause they wanna leave MS in the dark. Expect this game to launch simultaneously with Halo 3.

[THWIP]

...but then again...

If that is their intention, I'm sure MS/Bungie would say "Bring it". Killzone may end up being the best shooter franchise on the PS3....but it won't be able to TOUCH Halo or Gears. PERIOD.

[ChickeyCantor]

"I didn't know that the dutch had a large film industry.. lol"
then you know nothing!

anyway =D cant w8 till my college gives me a spot in that gamestudio, for a couple of months of courseeeeeeee(how do you call that when your school/college puts you in a company so you would obtain some experience)

[Scrooge]

Internship?

[drewdrakes]

Its called coop.

[TheMART]

One thing

Dutch can make great movies

But they never made one great game.

And I'm from the country so can know.
Killzone? Overhyped. Now Gears of War, there you have Killzone CGI but then in realtime. Not in 3 years, but right here, right now

[big_tim]

Since they appear to have delivered on the Motor storm hype, do you think (visually) they can deliver on killzone?

I saw the softer side of you on congratulating the PS3 fanboys. Keep it up and people might respect you. Give props where they are deserved.

[Retard]

Can you stick to the story being developed from 120 people? Gears has nothing to do with this.

[Munky]

like more smoke up the @ss by Sony. But I guess we will have to wait and see. I just find it odd that we have not seen one thing about this game since E3, not one screen shot, no videos, nothing.

[big_tim]

I think they have learned not to show off early crappy builds. Look at motor storm and how far it came. If they hadn't shown the crappy builds then there would have been a bigger WOW factor. Or it could suck right now and they don't want to be embarrassed.

[Munky]

But then what was the point of the E3 trailer? They already set the bar (possibly to high) for how the game is supposed to look, so nothing short of that will be a huge dissapointment to the majority of the gaming world. Granted that this news gives PS3 fans something to look for, but I don't understand how they can be excited about a game that you know noting about. It just strikes me that a company that proudly boast about EVERYTHING all of a sudden wants to keep this game a big secret, it's just very suspicious. Anyways, hopefully this game turns out to be good. Peaz.

[TheBeginningOfTheEnd]

better look as good as they say its gonna. if i does, then mama mia ill sure as hell buy a ps3, if it doesnt, im ntevem ever gonna trust anything sony does or say

[BigPimpin]

I think that would be a very bad idea to launch that game the same time Halo 3 comes out. Remember the First supposed to be "Halo killer" Killzone, it didn't do well against Halo and I don't think Killzone 2 will do any better against Halo 3. I do, however, believe Killzone 2 will be a good game though.

[Retard]

Just use the 'reply' button instead.

[DeathNote1]

they are apparently putting a lot of work into it. if the budget and manpower lives up to the hype then that will be an extraordinary killer app giving the 360 a run for it's money. time will tell. the latest reports are "some things exceed the trailer". the final fantasy white engine supposedly will have near cgi quality in real time. can the final fantasy and killzone team pull it off?

[THE TRUTH]

20 different languages!! Well that's a damn good use for blu ray!

I'm curious as to how this game is being kept in silence with a developement staff so big! I really think this game will be huge!!!

SCEA makes great first party games, anyone remember Ico or God of War?

I have a real good feeling about this game, actually I have a really good feeling about Sony! There backs seem to be against the wall and they are really pushing themselves in all directions to make big things happen!

I don't mean this to insult anyone but if killzone is like that infamous video (Motorstorm got to that video go check to the extensive preview) and if it launches when halo 3 does then this war is all over!! I don't know when Sony will let the cat out of bag on killzone but..... The suspense is definetly building!

Great time to be a gamer!!

[BigPimpin]

I think you are really underestimating Halo 3. Halo has a very large fanbase and I think that some people are not buying into the Killzone hype because the major letdown of the first one. I hope that this game comes out way better than the first. And the reason why sony has their back against the wall is because they placed it there with all their mistakes and not holding up to their promises. You might think they have but alot of other people see it differently. I just hope this does not hurt them in the long run.

[Logan]

OOOOOFH! O_O

I FEEL GREAT!

[Silvia007]

That's a lot of dough for one game. If they are putting this much money into it, I'd say it probably will be one kick ass game. Lets hope it's not mucho graphics and only 7 hours long. If this game is as good as they make it sound... I have a nice spot for the PS3, but until a decent game comes out, it'll remain vacant.

[Logan]

You got a great point dont get me wrong, I respect your responce, but halo will sell alot one way or the other, but I do agree with you, looking at it right now killzone 2 owns it big time.

oh what am I kidding IT OWNS HALO IN EVERYWAY, die halo DIE!!!

[DreDawgg06]

This game has to come out on PC at least if not they are going to lose a ton of money on this...I hope they can get it on the 360 tho.

[Munky]

If it costs as much as they say it does to produce this game, then they can't afford to not have it be a multiplatform game.

[Asuka]

GG is Sony first party, so Killzone will never hit 360

[specialguest]

this game ends up being average or above average, but not excellent. damn, there's so much this Killzone game will have to live up to now; especially now that it's gonna be an expensive project.

[calderra]

Look great early and end up sucking?

You mean like Killzone?

[calderra]

And for those who missed it, this game is actually Killzone 3. Killzone 2 is currently on the PSP.

Yes, Killzone 3 was "demoed" months before Killzone 2 ever entered the public arena.

But it is still Killzone 3 you're talking about, not Killzone 2.

[Asuka]

....correct. This is Killzone 3 we are talking about!

[MissAubrey]

and just cause something is expensive to make doesnt mean it will be the best thing ever.

[Logan]

I agree with you that even though you have lots of money to make a game, it doesent make it the best game, but other then that what the heck are you talking about man, that doesent make sense. Think about it, when they showed killzone at e3, that was the big game everyone was talking about, sony was so impressed they supported guerilla big time, because they knew the game was gona look like that. Why in the world would they give them that MUCH MONEY, with so MANY DEVELOPERS to make this game. Listen something is going on here, but for you to say its more proof that the trailer is bull... your just denying what you read.

[FirstknighT]

Why are they spending 21 million dollers on a franchise that averaged 72.8%(gamerankings.com) on its first outing? Killzone was a terrible game. It would of been better to put that much money on a proven game! So this dutch game studio is going to pull a rabbit out of its hat and make the game like the infamous e3 video??? I doubt it. Expect something similiar to call of duty 3 or Resistance.

[Logan]

you see that was the past, take a good look at what you just typed, and retype your responce.
oh and read the article clearly, and understand whats going on, and why. I dont feel like getting into more details, but you can read what I said for number 21.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Sony is desperate for a killer game on par with halo 1 & 2 and Gears of war. So throw enough money at the problem would it solve it? I think not.

[THELANDOFSANDS]

lol

halo 3 will pee on this.

[Logan]

you guys are blind.

[DixieNormS]

YOU ARE SICK IN THE HEAD!

[FirstknighT]

It's obvious your just another gullible sony boy and are the type of people that believed in the e3 demo. Intelligent gamers knew it wasn't ingame.

"IT OWNS HALO IN EVERYWAY, die halo DIE"

There is absolutly no information on killzone 2, yet you make a bold statement about it owning halo in everyway. Halo averaged 95.7%...Halo 2 averaged 94.7%...Killzone 1 averaged 72.8%! Halo is a PROVEN franchise and Killzone is not!

"We're working on the biggest multimedia project in Dutch history."

21 Million on a unproven franchise from an unproven studio is a big risk and most likely a mistake!

"sony was so impressed they supported guerilla big time, because they knew the game was gona look like that"

So I guess Sony is just the almighty that knows everything and always makes right decisions, right? MiniDiscs, UMD movies, the ps3s launch lineup...all failures!

There are facts everywhere about how the ps3 is all hype. So maybe you should just get your head out of Sonys ass and breathe a lil fresh air. Maybe you'll feed much needed oxygen to your gullible mind.

[ApocalypseShadow]

the final game,we can't say what it looks like.shenmue(1&2-awsome game) cost more money to make on dreamcast.but hopefully their efforts payoff with less money and more talent.that game deserved to be seen by more people besides just going to xbox.i still liked the english release(sequel) on dreamcast with subtitles.
we see the physics in motorstorm and the cars exploding differently each time and all the parts flying everywhere.we also see games like resistance having 40 player matches and many characters onscreen.being that it is second gen,won't come out anytime soon,and that sony has no choice but to come up with a great story with great gameplay to counter halo3,the war of the big guns is on.they will obviously have to go with a few less enemies to bump up the graphics.it doesn't have to be the "halo killer"for sony.it just has to be the "halo counter".and being that it is one of many titles coming from sony's teams,it will be added to the many mega titles.
all sony has to do is show one screenshot.show a cg target screenshot.then show the actual game screenshot right next to it.and people would freak until they could get a chance to see the video.we saw how motorstorm went from target video,to the gdc conference video,to e3,to the tokyo gameshow,to the downloadable demo.and it still is being worked on up until next febuary.sony is going to surprise people.
i have had this video forever but take a look at this :
http://xboxmovies.teamxbox....
microsoft decided not to pursue this game back in 2004 and now look at it:
http://www.gametrailers.com...
as you can see,with enough time,talented people and funds,you can make hits.i don't doubt this game will be a mega hit.when it was shown next to motorstorm and killzone back in 2005,no one said anything about ninja theory's game being fake.that was the real deal.the same thing happened to gears when epic showed unreal engine 3 for the first time.many of the enemy models we see in the game came straight out of what was shown in 2004.next up will be afrika,getaway,gthd,ratchet and clank 5,socom,8 days(with big gas station explosions),etc and so on.and this is just sony.not third parties.
microsoft will of course counter with their big guns from their first parties like fable 2,mass effect,halo3,forza 2(keep working devs)and so on that this has to be the best time for gamers as a whole.
p.s.no i didn't forget metroid,mario,smash bros and a whole slew of games from nintendo's first parties.wow!thanks game industry for great entertainment.!

[Marriot VP]

can somebody please tell me why this game will be any better than it's predecessor. If all you have is the graphics in regards to the CGI trailer and a Sony exec. saying the game looks bonkers.

http://www.gamerankings.com...

[Anerythristic26]

Just more Sony HYPE. That's all this is , hype. They are the best at it in he business. Cross reference this game with the PS2 launch , PS2 Launch Titles , Emotion Engine , PS2 Online , PS3 Launch , PS3 Launch Titles , PS3 Graphics ... you get my drift.

[Retard]

The Emotion Engine was better then Xbox(1) CPU... So ... It's kinda not hype?

[Lucidmantra]

and you live up to your name...

How many Shaders did the EE have..... NONE
How many did the Xbox have... 2. GPUs are all about shaders now. If you think the EE was better than the Xbox you really are stuck on a small island out in the ocean by yourself.

The fact remains and almost everyone admits that the EE was a giant failure for Sony. Yes it had massive potential. But it was mired in quirky coding needs and steep learning curves to get it to perform.

You can have all the power in the world. If it is not easy to get that power you might as well not even offer it. The easier it is to develop for the faster you will see great use of the systems power and a true representation. Anyone can say hey we are going to design a production automobile that THEORETICALLY can do 300 mph. It is DOING it that is the challenge and that is an analogy for what happened with the EE. While some games did the theoretical 300 mph (FF's and a few others) there was alot of Barbie Adventures and Disney games (not KH though) that were content with 100 mph because they wanted to invest minimal effort to make money. It is a little more complicated that that but the fact is ee = no shaders. Xbox 1 had shaders and that is why every game that came out for xbox that coded for the shaders looked vastly better.

Schools out please go play on the monkeybars now.

[ApocalypseShadow]

and make a good title on their first shot is pretty good.yes the sony mags gave it high scores.but looking at the overall scores,none were 50s,40s or just a complete dud at 0%.if anyone here can do better than i'm waiting for your games to come out.

now they have the full production money to go big.sony is not going to sit by and let microsoft take over with halo 3 next year.american's love first person.i don't .but most like this style.they got to go big.now is their chance to prove to everone that they can make a great game.not good.great.
no one seems to remember bungie making ONI for pc and ps2.that was not that great a game:
http://ps2.ign.com/objects/...
now look at bungie and the money they can use to make big budget games.rockstar published it.but bungie made ONI.guerilla has to be given a chance just like bungie.and i think guerilla did a better job their first time out with killzone compared to bungie with ONI.

[Asuka]

Before Halo, to be honest, i have never heard of Bungie lol! We need to give GG a chance, just like we gave Bungie a chance.

No development studio creates a great game one their first, second, or third try in some cases. It takes time, practice, experience, and money, which is what GG lacked in at the time of KZ1 and ShellShock. But now they are Sony First Party and have a bit more experience under their belt, maybe now they can create a great game.

Even Bungie struggled in the beginning, just as all the other studios did. GG is still a fairly new studio, give them a chance.

[Maddens Raiders]

been playing dark kingdom...come back to N4G's & what do I see?

D3acon, what a great read man. Been waiting to see something like this for quite some time now. I can't wait to see how this game really looks and plays to end all of the rumors & 2nd guessing. SCE's 1st party games have generally been pretty strong and thats a fact. I have no doubt that they'll pour a Polyphony Digitalesque effort into this particular title; Honestly, what Insomniac has done for SNE at launch is to show them how to extract all that's good from the PS3 right away. If guerilla builds from that ex. they can't lose. Resistance offers just a sampling of what's expected for the future of the PS3 & that's why I think Killzone's gonna be a HUGE hit for gamers next year.

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#1) I dunno much about Dutch action films, but as far as those saying that SNE is wasting money by pouring over $21 million into the project, because the PS3 won't sell a lot of consoles, is just not going to happen. The PS3 will still remain as the only other player in the next-gen sweepstakes besides the 360 and I hardly believe that sales are going to see such a sharp decline. SNE will still be MS's only real comp. and vice-versa - even though SNE once said they're not in competition with anyone lol. I am convinced that the poor wii is just outclassed in this war.

Believe it or not it's [PS3] one of the most sought after gifts for the holidays along with Tickle Me Elmo and logic tells me that those feelings will not subside with North American consumers right after Christmas - they'll still want it, and then Europe's next.

Even if Killzone 2 achieves 85% of what the trailers showed its going to be a great game & see a lot of rotation on the PS3. I hope my patience for this title is not in vain -- Its got real potential to be that first true Killer app for the PS3. hmm...We shall see.

[Retard]

Tickle Me Elmo Extreme*

=)

[ApocalypseShadow]

who would have thought that the same people who did the terrible bubsy 3d(made by sony-published by accolade) and ncaa final four,would have turned things around and made syphon filter.that game was rough around the edges but was one of the best games i ever played on ps1.the story,the action,the taser gun and head shots.who knew?who knew they could make a good game.no one remembers motortoon from polyphony digital.it was a fun racing game back in the day.then they made gran turismo and the rest is history because they had a vision led by a guy who loves cars to death.i await what guerilla could possibly pull off with their next game.if they fail ,there's always like triple "LLL" said,sometimes it takes three times.but hopefully not.

[Lucidmantra]

Agreed liked Syphon Filter 1 and 2 ... both very good games and yes rough but good.

[power of Green]

this news sounds like thunder stealing jibber jabber.

The timeing is odd with this news, it would of helped Sony durring E3 or TGS, I guess they feel that 360 sale's will get out of control.

If i were Sony, i would have made them give up the info at E3 or TGS it would've made more sense because only hardcore Sony fanboy's give a sh*t about PS3 I'm sure theres a few million of them just waiting for more shipments.

The bulk of The "Trendy Go With The Flow Casual gamers"(the bulk of Sony's PS2 fanbase) that Sony won over for 10 won't care about KillZone's budget Matter of fact the 360 sale's are picking up because of them with even a few Hardcore Sony fans converting.

You really think a $600 console with no games would compete even if it had millions at launch.

KillZone3 isn't going to get the PS3 of Neo-Geo status.

I do believe the game could be sick and it will reach 70% of that CGI trailer .

[OutpostCommand]

Please-
I do realise you are a total fanbot, but atleast try to sound less rediculous.

[solid snake uc]

becuz killzone is most expensive game and it make same e3 2005 killzone trailer graphics and it make is very hard killzone kicks ass halo hahahhahahhaa

[ImTheNumber12]

Please-
I do realize you are a total fanbot, but at least try to sound less ridiculous.

[Nodoze]

<off topic> the English diction used by most on this site is utterly horrendous. I would advise paying more attention in school.

<on topic> I think this game has potential. Unfortunately there have been no in engine screenshots or videos. For anyone outside of Sony to say anything about this games graphics or anything else is entirely premature. Sony has set the hype meter high, I am sure that Guerilla Games is feeling massive pressure to deliver. Perhaps this explains the budget and the number of people developing the title.

As a parting thought I think this is sending the wrong message to developers about the PS3. Sony is practically broadcasting that it takes huge dev teams, and large quantities of cash to make anything worthwhile. Gears of War was a 10 million dollar title, with a team of maybe 30 people (some not on Gears full time). Killzone is more than 4x the size in staff, and already more than twice as expensive to develop. YIKES!!

[lalaland]

as that amount didn't include the Unreal Engine and tool developers. GG are making a proprietary engine and tools for Killzone making a direct comparison impossible.

[DJ]

They only released information on the small development team, but not on the rest of Epic which provided the construction of Unreal Engine 3, and possibly some other things as well. They worked on the game since 2004 so it probably was enough time with such a small team.

[SuperSaiyan4]

A game that was out to get Halo as the all disputed HALO KILLER has returned again...This time it will be the Perfect Dark Zero killer lol! HALO 3 nuff said.

[greendyzer]

21 million dollars for production is a lot of risk just to make a single game, what would happen if PS3 gets hacked and be able to boot a game dump on its hard drive before this game even comes out, how the hell are they going to get their money back, and the way things are going with PS3's security right now, i wont be suprise if it gets hacked!, as a a gamer, go on and bring me that 21 million dollar game Sony!!

[FKN Unbelievable]

Sony Funded this whole project to make sure it won't fail cause of the disaster at E3'05.
Next they tell us that the game need 40 gigs of disc space right? After seeing the Commercial for Killzone on PSP the game looks like Expendable for Dreamcast. This game might be ok but without enough systems sold they will not recoup anything back no time soon(unless they Sell the game for like a $100 bucks with Bonus Content.).

[Retard]

They need is to make the gameplay FUN, and COMPELLING. The gameplay was very deep in the orginal, but was it 'fun' ? Not really.

If they can acheive half of what they've done in the CGI, and make the gameplay fun and not fustrating. This could be PS's new name of FPS. (If it ever really had one.)

Who doesn't agree?

[ImTheNumber12]

that's why when the game is finished it will try to include a mysterious hero of which you never see his face, the best online ever created on a game console, regenerating health/shield, a grenade that sticks to people or vehicles, Alien weapons, portals, a sword, a button to hijack another person's vehicle, a robot that is trying to destroy you, a parasitic enemy, and anything else included in halo since that's the only way to make good console fps games. I have very little faith in this game if they think the graphics are the reason why it's going to sell. They have their work cut out for all 120 of them.

[kingboy]

i beg for another trailer before year ends ..or maybe some screen sony..oh my!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

God of War, Resident Evil 4,GTA and Devil may Cry. Killzone was ok but not great, To turn an ok title to something great means they have to reinvent the game. If Sony tries to hype this game against Halo and loses again it will be a mighty blow to Sony.

As we all know with the sales of an exclusive like Halo can sell a system. Remember for me Sony has lost the Resident Evil and GTA exclusives and with the ever increasing friendship with Capcom and may lose Devil May Cry. If that were to happen the only reason for me to buy a PS3 would be for God Of War and one game doesn’t justify the price. Sony needs “New” killer apps and for F**K sake hold on to your exclusives and they may come in second over all.

But this is just my prediction (Hope I don’t choke on these words) but I believe the winner this round will be one of the bottom two. MS is starting to get a good library of games (Halo, GOW, PGR3, and all the games this holiday. and have many new IPs coming out (Mass Effect, Bioshock, Splinter Cell, Crackdown and list grows. Xbox Live is a near perfect delivery system for games (for all fairness MS had a head start in the internet department). Nintendo is still Nintendo but with a reason to exercise we all know there games.

($250) remember there are poor people in the world. Then there are the ones who get something cheap for the kids and something with tech something that we know works, has great proven multiplayer, and has proven to have pretty games for adults. Two game systems for $600 compared to one for $600 makes a dent in the wallet. HDTV’s aren’t exactly cheap yet and good sound systems are still cost a couple hundred “for cheap ones”. This gaming market here in the middle is the majority. This…… is where Sony was last round and look at there success. These two companies took two different approaches this time around. “Sony” is using the PS3 to push new hardware while MS and Nintendo are pleasing the people who buy these three systems in the first place “the games”.

[CompGeek]

And yet Gears of War was developed by 25 people and $8 million. 120 people and $25 million doesn't mean a thing.

[kingboy]

yea with over 20 people dedicated for polishing up only the graphics right...killzone not gears so get over it

[drewdrakes]

The number of developers doesn't mean a thing. Everyone remember Goldeneye for the N64? All you need is a good imagination and good developers. The game started out with 2 guys messing around, and look what it developed into.

[THAMMER1]

But if KZ2 is worth all the HYPE and the final product is as mind blowing as Sony is pushing I'll buy a PS3. But right now I do not see a reason to get happy about the news.

[THWIP]

Hmmm....reminds me of a polock joke.... ;)

[Xtrm L1481L1TY]

Good one

[THE TRUTH]

Understand how people would turn this news into negative!

So they out up 20+ mill to budget the game! How is that bad news, they are not trying to make "a" game they are trying to make "THEE" game! Do you think its cheep to make a game of this calibur from the ground up? Even on 360 it would be damn expensive! Why do you think the 360 developers are buying epics unreal engine?

So we now are going to bash these developers for spending money? Bash them for trying to push these games and live up to the high expectations we all have?

That is just backwards and very ignorant to say the very least!

Why would they use a minimal staff to make a game like this? Someone brought up goldeneye, you have to be out of your mind to even go this route! Goldeneye was made on a console so old it still used cartrigdes! Seriously we are leap years ahead in console technology (a lot of praise needs to go towards Sony for that!)

So they have 120 talented developers would you have them be undermaned? Then we have missed goals and serious delays! Again we should applaud them for getting the necessary people to achieve and hopefully exceed what we expect!!

Truth be told I applaud any developer for any console with the determination to put it all on the line to make a historic game! I especially applaud them if they willing to take the time to come up with THEIR OWN Graphics Engine, Physics Engine, A.I. Engine ect ect because lord knows they take a hell of a lot of time and money to do!

I guess you all would rather a gaming world where every game just used epics Unreal engine! Thanks but no thanks! I support GG and hope they pull this off in a big way! It definetly could relieve us from playing unreal engine 3 games for the next 2-3 years!

[CompGeek]

Then, as said before, there's Gears of War. 1/3-1/4 the budget, 1/5 the developers, and 5x the game.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This will be a good PS3 title. It will remain to be seen just how good. I suspect it will rival RFOM for sure in scores and possibly beat it. On hype alone..and Sony will get the hype machine going on this ....it will sell well. Killzone 2 will be Sony's Gears of War. It really will be their first "first party" mega hit. RFOM is a great game...but it will suffer from the lack of fanbase (actual PS3 owners) to support it.

If by some crazy set of circumstances GG screws up Killzone 2 then Sony is going to be in deep water with no life vest. They need to have a "killer app" 1st person shooter that will pull fans to the PS3 to truly be successful in N. America.

[zonetrooper5]

I did buy KZ1 for the PS2 and played it online for a while and it was alright. I think theres 100 people making Halo 3 at the moment but i don't know how much money it is costing. As for 120 people, thats alot of people and it does cost alot of money. Hopefully this will be amazing, but i will miss rumble :(

[MoonDust]

It will be a shame if it ends up like the first one, a failure. The so called "Halo killer" got stomped by halo.

[BURLY]

LOL

Oh, and I bet they launch this game on the same day as Halo to show the Chief who's bestest!

LOL

This game is going to suck!

PS: Never mind the fact that any FPS on the PS3 should get an automatic 10% reduction for having a pathetic excuse for a controller and another 10% reduction for not having rumble.

I mean if Sony was actually serious about establishing a new FPS IP on the PS3 that could hold a candle to the likes of Gears and Halo, ...then they should have started with the actual user interface first. Playing a FPS with the dual shock is like playing gimped and as such all of the main protagonists in PS3 FPS's should all be handi-cappers.

But honestly back to the story, ...1) either labor is extremely cheap in this country and they have 3 people manning every toilet roll; or 2) Sony is just throwing more logs on the fire because they know that they are now forced to live up to their "buy-in" strategies of posting fake CGI videos and over bloated specs in a desperate effort to get their loyal legion of fanboys to hold off on getting a Xbox 360.

Fast forward to now and Sony's lies are being exposed one after the other and they know they are under the microscope. It is also my belief that Sony has also come to the very real conclusion that they do not (infact) have the most powerful console and this is why they have essentially shut up about spec comparisons and canned Kenny boy as a PR move to mitigate their mis-appropriated arrogance.

My primary concern (besides the fact that the first game absolutely sucked) is that although game development involves a substantial amount money and a large number of people - there still needs to be unified top-down control so as to ensure that all of the pieces fit and work together.

If Sony thinks that by throwing more money and people into the mix that they will guarantee themselves a successful result -- they are very much mistaken.

For example: I guarantee you that Bungie has as much money and access to resources as any developer in the world and so if their team size is substantially smaller - that sould tell you something! Actually I wonder what it is, ...does anybody know?

Of course if it is similar in size then perhaps Sony had no choice, ...oh wait they did: They could have just scrapped the project altogether!

That's what I would have done because they aren't just competing with the competition's game they are competing with their own E3 video that Sony tried to pass on as real time!

Of course there is a lot of consumer anger that has built-up and as such the expectations will be very high for this little number!

Personally, I find this game to be simply hilarious. I mean everytime I hear the name I chuckle and evertime I hear a Sony fanboy say something like:

"Kilzone will destroy Halo"

...I fall on the floor laughing, ...well then I get back up and lay the smack down on the fool!

[power of Green]

It's rare to read smart posts; posted by smart people. I know alot of techies that talk specs ect all day but sadly aren't very bright these fanboy's sing the same song, it's refreshing to read smart post.

[DJ]

The framerate, some wierd LOD, and the fact that weapons took WAY too long to reload. What it really excelled in though was AI, Art direction, atmosphere, sound, and overall graphics. The campaign mode was awesome, and multiplayer (despite lag issues) is just as addictive as it was two years ago.

Gamerankings lists it as 72%, and I've seen scores ranging from 7~8. It wasn't the best game, but I really did enjoy it. The 20~30 hour campaign really helped too. I really don't understand why the press labled Killzone as a Halo Killer when the two games shared little in common. You weren't fighting aliens, there weren't any laser weapons, and it had a gritty, realistic feel rather than Halo's shiny sci-fi look. Then again, the PS2 didn't exactly have a flagship FPS at the time.

I think Guerilla can pull it off though. Why else would Sony adopt Guerilla Games if they didn't believe in what the developer was capable of?

[RBlaze]

Could, and probably will be a good game. i remember it being branded as the 'Halo Killer', but i never played killzone so i cant pass judgement (however, Halo is still my fave game of all time, so i dont know if KZ could top that, lol). Just thinking though, will the new Killzone 2 be branded as the PS3s Halo3 killer this time around?

[DJ]

It can't be compared to Gears gameplay-wise, but I think the media will end up comparing to both Gears and Halo. The developer's stance (of course) is going to be "it is what it is." They'd rather have other devs looking up to them rather than the other way around.

P.S. I hope to god they put in a jump button.

[andy capps]

Killzone was an over ambitious title for the PS2. I think if they a) had more power to work with, and b) if they had delayed the game to work out bugs that it would have been a much better game. The issues with repetitive speech and a lot of the other issues were blamed on the lack of RAM in the PS2, and basically just not having enough horsepower under the hood. If it had come out for the Xbox, I think it would have gotten a lot higher reviews because Xbox was more powerful.

That being said, Killzone: Liberation has gotten great reviews, so it is definitely possible for Guerilla to make a good game. Also, I don't expect to see anything on this for at least several months as Phil Harrison already said you won't see anything on it until after the new year. There's also a reason why they haven't shown anything on it up until now, they were waiting until Killzone: Liberation was released. They've stated many times on their boards that nothing would be announced until Killzone: Liberation was finished, and so I would anticipate anytime between now and E3 2007 that we'll get an update with a new trailer and screenshots about it. Seeing actual gameplay before or at E3 is doubtful with it having a 2008 release, IMO.

To Power of Green above- Regarding the textures in PS3 games, get off your fanboy train. The PS3 is more than capable of high-res textures, you're using one game as an example. Resistance is a great looking game with huge draw distance, no pop-in's, low load times, 40 player multiplayer, etc. You're talking about something that was a design choice of the devs for how they wanted the game to look. It does look kind of cartoony as opposed to the gritty realism of Gears of War, but that is a design choice. Look at Lair and Heavenly Sword and tell me that PS3 cannot do high res textures.

[RBlaze]

Watching that old movie brings back the old CGI memories of E3 2005. I know that they wont reach the graphics of that game, but i reckon itll still look cool. Ive never played the origional Killzone. Who knows, this game could put a PS3 in my room

[ApocalypseShadow]

since no one has seen the final game,we can't say what it looks like.shenmue(1&2-awsome game) cost more money to make on dreamcast.but hopefully their efforts payoff with less money and more talent.that game deserved to be seen by more people besides just going to xbox.i still liked the english release(sequel) on dreamcast with subtitles.
we see the physics in motorstorm and the cars exploding differently each time and all the parts flying everywhere.we also see games like resistance having 40 player matches and many characters onscreen.being that it is second gen,won't come out anytime soon,and that sony has no choice but to come up with a great story with great gameplay to counter halo3,the war of the big guns is on.they will obviously have to go with a few less enemies to bump up the graphics.it doesn't have to be the "HALO KILLER"for sony.it just has to be the "HALO COUNTER".and being that it is one of many titles coming from sony's teams,it will be added to the many mega titles.
all sony has to do is show one screenshot.show a cg target screenshot.then show the actual game screenshot right next to it.and people would freak until they could get a chance to see the video.we saw how motorstorm went from target video,to the gdc conference video,to e3,to the tokyo gameshow,to the downloadable demo.and it still is being worked on up until next febuary.sony is going to surprise people.
i have had this video forever but take a look at this :
http://xboxmovies.teamxbox.... MICROSOFT DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE THIS GAME back in 2004 and now look at it:
http://www.gametrailers.com...
as you can see,with enough time,talented people and funds,you can make hits.i don't doubt this game will be a mega hit.when it was shown next to motorstorm and killzone back in 2005,no one said anything about ninja theory's game being "FAKE".THAT WAS THE REAL DEAL.the same thing happened to GEARS OF WAR when epic showed unreal engine 3 for the first time.many of the enemy models we see in the game came straight out of what was shown in 2003(4).next up will be afrika,getaway,gthd,ratchet and clank 5,socom,8 days(with big gas station explosions),etc and so on.and this is just sony.not third parties.
microsoft will of course counter with their big guns from their first parties like fable 2,mass effect,halo3,forza 2(keep working devs)and so on that this has to be the best time for gamers as a whole.
p.s.no i didn't forget metroid,mario,smash bros and a whole slew of games from nintendo's first parties.wow!thanks game industry for great entertainment.!

thwip,when i reposted,the page lost the links.go figure.it worked above last night.should work now.

[THWIP]

1.) Your post makes no sense.

2.) You suck at posting links.

[power of Green]

In sure this game(KZ3) will appeal to Hardcore Sony fans as Mario does Nintendo fans.

What is all that other rambling about?.

Comparing Exclusive games between Sony and MS isn't fair to Sony not to mention MS has two different levels of AAA's(standard & mega).

[The BS Police]

Fact: GG has potential aswell as the Killzone franchise.

Fact: They have yet to prove themeselves (no way can Killzone compete with Halo.)

fact: Spending over 20 million dollars on one game is suicide.

[DJ]

Lair's costing over $20 million. Game development costs are going to average 10~20 million this generation. Last gen it was only 2~5 million.

[JIN KAZAMA]

This game is gonna kick A$$. I read the preview of motorstorm, and it seems like its gonna be a killer app. Cant wait to get my PS3. I'll wait till sometime early next year to get mine. 360 can bite me.

[PS360PCROCKS]

whats so great about this news? They don't even talk about the game, all they said is their spending alot of money on it, lots of money doesn't make a great game guys...Not to bring up GOW, but that one only cost 10 million, and yes I know it's cause they own their own game engine, but I doubt it's a 10 million dollar difference. Anyways if this game looks like the CG video well than damn, that would be rediculous

[ApocalypseShadow]

HERE'S THE LINKS TO PROVE THAT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE GIVEN ENOUGH TIME AND EFFORT.HERE'S THE FIRST:
http://xboxmovies.teamxbox....

HERE'S THE SECOND:

http://www.gametrailers.com...

IF THIS DOESN'T PROVE TO DUMMY FANBOYS that talent and money can make good games,then here's two more:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and more:
http://media.ps3.ign.com/me...

SOME OF YOU CAN'T FOR ONE MINUTE,"ONE MINUTE", STOP BEING FANBOYS.YOU CAN'T SEE GOOD GAMES IN THE MAKING UNLESS IT'S ON YOUR PREFERED SYSTEM.YOU'RE JUST SAD GAMERS.NOT GAMERS WHO PLAY" ALL" GAMES,NO MATTER THE SYTEM.YOU'RE JUST HATERS.SAD MAN.JUST SAD.

[power of Green]

Never played KillZone and i heard the first on sucked you really think this game stands out as if it's the only game that has this scope of developement.

I wont bother checking those links im guessing they will make as much sense as your ramblings.

I was wondering WTF do you go off for on these long rants, no need to write a book on how you feel when others dont agree with you.

[THE TRUTH]

Fact: you have no idea about the financial spending limits of these developing companies!

Fact: you have never even seen 20 million dollars, let alone spent 20 mill!

Fact: you have NO idea what your talking about!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

I say this because I think it will be interesting to see the final product of Killzone 2 and compare that to Gears of War. Not that the gameplay will be the same...but more from the big budget production of 120 people compared to what Epic did with a relatively small team and a cost if I recall correctly of about 10 million. Will Killzone 2 feel that much more pollished, etc... than a game that set standards (by most gaming experts) for what next gen games should be. I really can't wait to see something from GG on Killzone 2. It's been a very long time...and way too quiet in terms of screens, vids, etc...

[NextGen24Gamer]

So a game costing 20 million on the Ps3 would cost 13.3 million on the 360. I think what some xbox fans are saying is that if it doesn't sell well...its financial suicide.....there have been big budget movies that tanked at the box office and lost millions of dollars.....and their have been big budget movies that weren't any good....The costs of a game never dictates directly the outcome of a game. And if Killzone 1 is any indication of what to expect but on a HD scale for Killzone 2...it won't even touch Gears of War or Halo 3...or just about any of the 360's FPS games. Sony is attempting to build hype for this game. But we have seen it all before. Then the games get released and they get scores of 3, 5, and 6's. We will have to wait and see with this one. With that kind of budget....they better hope people care. And they better release it when there is a fan base of at minimum 6 million or more to even have a chance...but with sony fans and their low spending habbits....They might need a base of 100 million gamers just to sell 1.8 million like God of War did for the ps2. That was Sonys best game through the whole ps2 life cycle but couldn't manage to sell 2 million. Good luck Killzone 2. ha ha ha ha ha

P.S. It only took a fanbase of 7 million to sell 1 million plus copies of Gears of War in days. WOW. Now thats what you call a blockbuster....AAA....Once in every 2 to 5 year title. Incredible. Thanks Microsoft. Good luck Sony.

[SPAWN]

Nuff Said! And so what! Bungie been announced long aho that there was now 120 people working on Halo 3! Killzone will suck just like the last one did! That`s why they haven`t showed any proven gameplay videos! Gears Of War has come out and we have seen footage of Halo 3 and will be playing a test multi-player demo of that next spring and yet still sony hasn`t showed you any proof yet! This is sony that we are talking about here people! Don`t get it twisted by thinking that they are now telling you the truth about this game! Action speaks volumes! When they show proven in engine gameplay or video, then you can make your assumptions! Until then, leave this trash @$$ game where it belongs, a distant memory about how Fony lied to us all at E3 05!

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

They did (LIE at E3) cant deny that. Where there’s gaming there’s hype. Hype sells and hype is a lie.

[power of Green]

People that have seen Halo 3 single player alpha build said "Gears of War who!" in response to the ALPHA BUILD of Halo3 single player. Halo 3 will make GoW look like an Xbox game.

I don't know why Sony fans hope this game will look like the 2005 E3 trailer when PS3 is not capable of the detailed graphics, the trade offs will bring KZ3 to a cartoony 60% to 70% of the trailer.

Expect three different colors and cartoony art plus the paste and play painted looking walls ect, like the ground in RFOM(rocks on the ground are drawn in patterns with think blocky outlins).

[THE TRUTH]

You have gone back on your word!!

You said you would never post here again and not even 1 day after you were proven wrong here you come with more BS!

Your word is meaningless! You made that promise with enforcer of the truth and you know it!

Stop all that wow! Thanks MS, I love 360 and what not! Grow up and handle your responsibilites!

[Eternal E 808]

all you sony fanboys words are meaningless look at the out come of your ps3 its everything that wasnt what you wanted it to be and you guys spoke with blind fanboyism yett topgamer speaks of actual logic and you tell him that his words are meaningless but cant define the fact that you guys were spreding B$ and been proven wrong to many times over to even be calling ppl meaningless,if anyones posts are meaningless its yours and these ps3 fanboys because you guys put your selfs in these positions in the first place and ppl that were on this site way back know that you ps3 fans repp has fallen.FACT

[NextGen24Gamer]

STFU...ha ha ha ha...I never go back on my word and I'm rarely wrong. You obviously didn't read my response to his post. He didn't show one link to someone's 360 being defective 7 times in one year. You have mental issues TRUTH. ha ha ha ha ha...That was the bet. The enforcer made that up. I called him out. And he didn't provide a link stating what he specifically made up.

"ONE guy having his 360 go bad 7 times in one year".

He says things like that as do you and DJ to bash the 360. But you, DJ, and the enforcer are laughed at and never respected by "Gamers". Forget 360 fans or ps3 fans. "Gamers" buddy. So, once again. Prove what you say. I proved in my response on that thread that you are referring to that the 360 does have digital OUT for video. So therefore the 360 can easily have dvi or hdmi....He stated that it wasn't possible due to analog out. But the output according to MS and ATI is "Digital". And once again...back what you say...if you say one guy had 7 broke 360s in one year...show a link stating that...and not from a ps3 forum...ha ha ha ha ha...I know you, DJ, and the enforcer of BS wish I would just go away.....But yall 3 stooges could never be on my level...you three are pure fanboys with a genuine lack of simple common sense. Get it? Got it? Good.
http://gear.ign.com/article...
Take note in the link....the edits that the writer made due to Microsoft clarifing some things. I'm an information hound buddy. Do your homework before every attempting to debate me. Brooklyn WUT

P.S. The enforcer when proven wrong tries to attack people personally. He is a sad sad boy with no life obviously. He attempted to post a petition with someone saying that people have had to replace their 360 5 to 7 times. Thats a petition buddy. The purpose of a petition is to get MS to take action. By nature they exaggerate to make their point a little stronger. MS has covered the launch batch that had defects by extending those units for a year. But after January the system has been fine. So for you to post a petition by who knows who....and claim that to be evidence is you grasping for straws buddy. I feel sorry for people like you. I'm sorry the ps3 doesn't live up to everyones expectations. I told you months ago this would happen. And I feel bad now...Because people like you are still in la la land...hoping and wishing on something great to come. Sorry buddy...its not happening. The war is over. 10 million 360 fans and superior games says it all.

And I see you have no comments about your lie about the 360 having digital out...let me show you a quote from the link I provided.....

Microsoft just got back to us to clarify the Xbox 360's ability to transmit a digital signal. In short, it can, which means that Microsoft could conceivably release an HDMI cable for the Xbox 360. This is good news, and relieves a great deal of our concern over the Xbox 360's ability to effectively work with 1080p. Microsoft's full response is marked in the Q & A portion of this feature.

With this new information in mind, consider us relatively mollified. A future HDMI cable for the 360 will resolve the problems we outline in our discussion of 1080p compatibility. Let's hope Microsoft decides the market demands it sooner rather than later.

[FirstknighT]

You actually try to debate with that kid? He makes no sense!

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Look what a freaking idiot this Top Gamer is:
http://www.news4gamers.com/...

Multi account Top Idiot's greatest hits:
http://www.news4gamers.com/...

Are you freaking nuts? Do you call a petition to MS made up? Do you call the site http://www.xboxcircle.com/ made up?

Your are one of a crazy fanboy and a waste of a human beeing. BTW here is the right answer to our sick buddy:

"34 - Oh boy are you retarded
EnforcerOfTheTruth - 2 Hours ago | Let him/her speak
Do you actually read the links you post? How dumb are you to lie again saying 360 has a digital out when in your link they cleary say it hasn't? All they say is something about a free upgrade. Haha good luck believing a company about getting a free digital out upgrade from a company that gives just a 3 months warranty, screws people with ridiculously overpriced products and stopped Xbox support right after 360 was released. Good luck believing a company that said 360 has 5 times the bandwidth of PS3 and that there will be no 1080p titles for PS3. Good luck believing a company which lies to you on game packages about 1080p while reviewers who test the games say otherwise. Also the fact that they don't explain how they want do it shows that they don't have a solution and it's just talkin. If they had a solution they would present it and do it. All they do is talk to prevent all the bad press they would be getting.

Do you actually read my quotes and links? Are you really that retarded to still think I didn't deliver on people who had to go through 5-7 360's just in the first year? Dumb fanboy, I not only delivered, I overdelivered. In fact some people had to go through 5-7 consoles not just in the first year, but in the first 8 months:

"Many consumers have had units replaced 2 or more times, in some cases upwards of 5 to 7 times, within the past 8 months since the system launch."
http://www.xboxcircle.com/n...

I didn't provide you just one user I provided you many users as this is a petition directly to MS demanding an extended warranty because a large number of consumers are experiencing defects with an inherently flawed sytem.

You truly redefine fanatism and idiotism and MS fans should feel ashamed there is such a retarded idiot of a human being on their side.
So Top Retardo to sum it up, you said you will never post on here again if I provide you some info on the IGN's epidemic of failure statement and that in some cases people had to go through 5-7 consoles in the first year. I not only delivered you the info, I overdelivered, so get your sorry ass out of here and spare us your idiotism.

BlackViggen - Some sources are stating 520p, some 480p and the source I provided here even 480i. It looks like ICT didn't decide yet to which resolution they wanna downscale."

[NextGenJay]

hd dvd players will be the norm and there will be a new xbox console and 6 generations of hd dvd players with faster read times and cheaper pricing. enforcer is full of sh1t and his defense of the bismal ps3 performace is talk down on the 360 which is clearly the better video game system. he says that the optional hd dvd add on in 6 years will be obsolete...but he fails to consider the fact that blu ray will be dead much sooner than that. what a waste of money. 200 dollars more for a movie format that no one wants and be dead in a couple years and an inferior gameing system. thanks but no thanks. me and millions of others will pass on that garbade.

[Jay da 2KBalla]

I regret to inform you that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about for the 360 ALREADY outputs digitally via VGA which is capable of displaying 1080p movies and games and I would also like to remind you that the 360 has supported VGA since launch so please stop making yourself look like a complete dumbass. I would also like to inform you that if your tv only supports 480i,480p, and 1080i the ps3 will display your games and movies in 480p which is standard definition.

- Da 2KBalla

PS- post #65 is spot on and by the way I love your name. lol

Honestly, I think this game will be alright. Obviously halo3 will overshadow it should they both launch at the same time but I think this will be a good game. Not a great game, not by a long shot and nowhere near as good as halo3 but I do think it may turn out to be decent at the worst although I was pissed at sony for trying to pass of that pre-rendered bs as gameplay at E32005.

[AuburnTiger]

you said

"360 ALREADY outputs digitally via VGA"

That doesn't even make sense.

If the output of the 360 is actually digital then why are they releasing an ANALOG vga cable. The truth is the output of the 360 is analog which explains why they didn't release an HDMI cable first and even when they do decide to release the cable, it will be getting it's info from an analog source. Don't misunderstand me, there's nothing wrong with a VGA cable, i'm just correcting a error from a misinformed gamer.

[UNREAL-T]

will be the best game on ps3. i cant wait!
i think ps3 will have a good time next year.

ps3 (the king)

[JIN KAZAMA]

PS3!!!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LOVE LOVE LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!
Thanks.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Anyone knows that's you Top Freakio. Just like the other Jay here:

http://www.news4gamers.com/...

You are so sad, I'm really stunned that such people exist. You use multiple accounts as this nice pic DJ took proves it:
http://img142.imageshack.us...

You talk with yourself, you give yourself props, you lie constantly, you twist the facts constatly, you are delusional thinking you proved somebody wrong, you are delusional thinking you are not lying, you attack after beeing proved wrong and you can't read.
There is surely much more I forgot.
On the other side you got caught using multiple accounts, you got proven you are lying, you got proven being wrong and you got dissed being an idiot.

Haha and how funny you immediatly logged some of your accounts and agreed with your and disagreed with my post haha you are just pathetic buddy.

Here is also the truth from your link:

"IGN: Can the X360 send out a digital signal now, or ever?

Microsoft Xbox 360 currently doesn't include a digital out connection for video. Our platform is flexible enough to allow support of a digital connection in the future should we choose to do so. When the Xbox 360 was being developed HDMI was nascent and with our current connections we support what the overwhelming majority of consumers have available to them. It's important to note that the market penetration of 1080p displays is in the single digits. Regardless, for those early adopters who have displays and projectors that support 1080p over VGA and component we have a solution and it is a free upgrade for them. We are watching the market closely and will continue to evaluate our solution in the face of consumer demand, but have no announcements regarding additional cables or connections.

Microsoft's current response doesn't yet explain how the company can rectify its claimed support of 1080p with the fact that the 360 doesn't support the connection (HDMI) that will actually allow most 1080p HDTVs to display the signal. While the VGA solution may work for a minority of 1080p HDTV owners, we're left wondering if Microsoft is promoting this new 1080p capability primarily to blunt the onslaught of the PlayStation 3, which supports HDMI and 1080p."

So sorry dumb boy, 360 doesn't have a digital output. BTW everything can support digital connection, it just need a digital output you idiot ;-)

[FirstknighT]

..."I don't waste my time going to a site of a console I hate or dislke and bash it there. Putting time and effort in things you hate or dislike is fanatism"

Yet you put time and effort on posting essays and books on here about it???? You make no sense kid!

[JIN KAZAMA]

TopGamer, NextGenJay, Jay2KBalla,REALDEAL and countless other screen names.
Dude, get a freakin life man!!
you're so dumb, atleast make the names a little different instead of "JAY" in both names. Idiot!

[MoonDust]

They went on the air and lied about it saying it was completely in-game footage. That was back then when the Sony fan boys thought the PS3 was 3 time more powerful than a 360.
- Has anyone seen Gundam? The thing looks like a PS2 title, compare that to the CGI. Back when everyone thought the PS3 would cost 400 tops, or when they thought rumble was a standard.

[Karibu]

back up your words

[THE TRUTH]

You are the one who is laughed at by fanboys and real gamers! Your word has no worth! You went back on what you said and now that your proven wrong, you go and cry and act like the ignorant immature fanboy you are!

The proof is right there in enforcers post! Get the hell out and leave with your pride, but you won't you'll stay and with every post show us that your nothing more than a immature prideless dishonest fanboy!

I guess I was right about you from the very start! Lol how's that for a prediction!

[Jay da 2KBalla]

The 360 may not have a digital output but it can display games in 1080p over component and both games and movies in 1080p over VGA and actually most tvs do have VGA ports. So actually it doesnt matter if the 360 doesnt have a digital output for it can do the same thing the ps3 does in then some for example the 360 will upscale all 720p games to 1080p (ps3 doesnt) and if your tv only supports 480i, 480p, and 1080i the ps3 will display both games and movies in 480p while the 360 will display it in 1080i.

To the sad sony fanboys (post number 69 and 70) I am not top gamer, real deal, or next gen jay so you both ned to go somewhere with that bullsh!t and get your minds right.

And actually alien you are the one who needs to get a life for you said "ya wanna mess wit us ok" in that quote you said us as if enforcer or truth or jin or any of those other fools care about you and you felt the need to defend them. Very sad indeed.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

...that our multi account buddy also has one account by the name UncleJaysus haha oh boy

Top Idiot everybody knows it's you and when somebody needs to get his mind right it's surely you haha

[NextGen24Gamer]

First of all. I only have ONE account. If I had more than one account Dusty and his staff would have banned me or took some of my bubbles like he did for Enforcer of BS/Xbug and Jin with his multiple Jin names.

Secondly...you obviously don't understand what MS stated in my link from IGN. Right now both VGA and Componant are analog outputs yes. But the output on the xbox 360 is digital. Thats what MS is saying when they say the 360 has a digital output. The actual output from the 360 console is digital. Which means that DVI and HDMI are possible. Now its just up to MS to make a first party DVI or HDMI adapter cable.

One other thing. Major Nelson has stated and I have researched it....99% of 1080p hd tvs have a VGA input. Go to best buy and see for yourself folks.

But on top of that...there are vga to DVI adapters at Radio shack for 7.99 to 14.99.

Point is...the 360 does 1080p natively...and if you go to any game store...look on the back of the Sonic and Superman games. Both say Native 1080p for the 360. I could care less what 3rd party web sites say. I own both games and it clearly states it on the games.

And Enforcer of BS...Read that link I provided again. Your brain obviously can't comprehend what it is saying. Microsoft and ATI has stated that the actual output from the consoles video card to the AV adapter is DIGITAL. The vga and componant cables are analog. There is a difference and it matters greatly and is the reason there will be an HDMI or DVI cable in the near future. And when that happens......I wonder what account you will try to disguise yourself as next time. Once again...I have shown you for who you are. I childish little brat who is obsessed with me. You are the same guy that wanted to video chat with me on Yahoo. Ever since I turned you down you have harassed me and attacked me. ha ha ha ha ha...Get over it. Thanks Microsoft.

Oh, and thanks Dusty for taking Enforcer/xbug's bubbles down for his multi account tactics...He honestly doesn't even deserve 4 bubbles. On every one of his posts he is off topic and personally attacking people. Sad indeed. Well, at least we don't have to listen to his bashing and ranting on this thread. Good riddens to bad rubbish.

[beans]

It seems as if enforcer,truth,dj,and Jin just want to find any reason to ignore the fact that the 360 is by far a superior system! I don't know why you waste your time with these clowns because time will tell everything and so far PS3 is just sucking! 360 games will own everything PS3 tries to put out and Killzone will once again be a joke!

[FirstknighT]

Dont even worry about it...These guys are finally realising that the ps3 is inferior to the 360 so they do what they do best....complain and whine! They just start to call you names and act like a 5th grader. I read the debates you had with enforcer and you pwned him left and right! That kid makes no sense. I usually dont even reply to people like him. I would need to lower my standards if I did.

[original seed]

I dont own a PS3 and really have no intention on buying one, however, if this game ends up like the E3 build graphics/Gameplay/animation wise then i will be picking one up.

[FKN Unbelievable]

How many Time must the Same dudes get Owned over and over like abused Females?
Killzone Won't make any splashes anytime soon. chances are it will get cancelled cause of development costs. Sony will have by then Put to much money in the project like they did by funding the CGI video then. Oh yeah did i ever mention Gears look like the Killzone CGI demo especially with a HD-TV?

What a Great time to own a 360.
Cause it not a Game machine its an Investment.

[testerg35]

Don't really understand how Sony fans can really defend anything about this title. First Sony tried to say that the E3 2005 CGI was ingame, then no one has seen anything about KZ after that. I mean absolutely no news. Now they come out about spending $20mil and 120 people development team. So all of a sudden its an awesome title?? You cannot compare KZ to GOW or Halo. Those are PROVEN titles. You were better off trying to prove that RFOM is a AAA title, even though it avg high 8s in reviews.

[beans]

I swear Sony fans are just to much! I guess there going to go down with the ship like in Titanic! lol

[rjkc]

a question to why the 360 fanboys post more on ps3 news than they do on any 360 news? I dunno who they trying to convince it seems to me you have alot of people on here making duplicate accounts just to post negative comments about rival machines as i said before these people who make these comments can only afford one system which is sad

[beans]

It works both way's and just to let you know 360 fans are just rubbing all the crap Sony pr and fans rubbed in our faces for years! People will always bash PS3 for it is inferior and until Sony stops talking crap it's going to continue to get uglier! Also the reason Sony is sucking so bad is because the thing came out way ahead of schedule and was a rushed device! Word of mouth is everything and people deserve to know that the world of gaming no longer revolves around Sony! If we sat back back and didn't say anything, alot of people that don't make that much money would end up getting screwed like all early PS3 and even Wii adaptors!

[Asuka]

you guys are arguing about videogames, damn. games are cool and all, but most of you guys take it WAY too seriously, they're just videogames. If you people can't even have a civil conversation about videogames, then you have all just proven how ignorant everyone is.

You guys with your flaming and cussing take all the fun out of gaming. Thanks for ruining the gaming community for us few True Gamers that are left; true gamers that care about games in general. Who cares what game come out for what system, or what its rated. Who gives if sony's stocks go down, that has nothing to do with gaming.

The one and only thing that matters about games is if the game is "FUN". That's all that matters. Everything else doesn't mean anything, the system, the company, the developers....who cares. Is the game fun, that's all i want to know. So i like to say thanks again for all of you guys that ruined the gaming community.

[Thugbot187]

Kill zone2 maybe a very good title. Hopefully with the amount of money that they are putting into this game it’s worth it. As for Halo Killer, NO, they aren’t even the same type of shooters. Kill Zone is more like a tactical (GRAW/COD) style shooter. While this one I’m sure will be better than the first one Halo it’s not. The thing I find so funny is PS3 Fanboys were saying RFOM was a Halo killer, then when the reviews came in it didn’t beat out GOW.

[MicroGamer]

but Gears is taking it down instead. Halo lets Gears handle all of it's light work. :-)

[gnothe1]

someone really aint got nothing else to say!! I've been on this site for awhile an they keep bringing up the fact the topgamer has had multi accounts,(enforceroflies) but guess what he wasnt the only one!!so try telling us something that means something!!atleast he comes here with crediable information!! he post links to almost EVERYTHING he says, so to say this guy is a liar is crazy!!the truth an enforcer if you guys didnt rant about how bad the x360 is people might believe something you say.because to everybody I talk to an read about the x360 is a great system an you should know that as well!!its just your hatred for MS that has lead people to not read your posts except for your fellow MS haters!! except it for what it is, a game console, not you mom or dad or kids so you dont have to defend it with your life like you do!!

[tackleb0x]

Takes 120 people to make a game that's not a 360 port? Not good news.

[HaKeRsCanRotINHEL]

How many developers does it take to make a........ it doesn't matter it'll never be enough to beat Gears or Halo. How about using that money to make a console- PS3 that works as advertised and not eat the games- Resistance PS3 is a big dissappointment in my book.

[richie007bond]

You know its so funny the ps3 fanboys are so hyped up about some BS cgi that fony made up to trick the world into the thinking that the ps3 was the second coming of christ or something,killzone 2 what a frigging joke and still you deluded fanboys are sapping in any old BS that comes your way SAD SAD SAD when will you EVER learn

[DJ]

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Screenshots from the retail version. Tell me what you guys think.

[Bhai]

Wow, man these are sick, insane...whatever you call 'em, and these are cam captures and not even direct-feed screens yet and they look so gorgeous. Especially the 3rd one from top looks like from an AAA sci-fi movie. You know, these pics made me hate the reviewers more for over-rating gears of war, I'm not mads at Resistance's reviews but in comparison, I'm really mad at how much they over-rated gears, man I feel really sick now as I've got the play gears for myself and especially after watching the rain, I felt pain in my gut that is this the game they all rated 9.6 to 10 ? man, really I'm dying to play Resistance now and these pics have made me starve more...thanks for posting 'em here DJ, you made my day !!!

[UNREAL-T]

i don't hate MS or 360fans, i'm just mad, because when 360fans read something good about the ps3 they star talking like if they knew everything about sony. if sony says something u see 360fans saying " no, ps3 is a piece of s!@#" stuff like that. it seems like if ps3 is the evil and 360 is god to 360fans n i don't know y.

i own a 360 n i'm getting ps3, i never said that MS can't beat sony, i'mn just mad bacuse almost everybody in this website is against ps3. i think both are great console who's better? we have to wait n see. tha's all i have to say.

by they way, TOPGAMER and power of green II , i'm sorry i know i was talking about u guys n it's not because i hate 360 it's because i don't know y, for some reason it seems like if u guys hate ps3 so much.

[NextGen24Gamer]

I don't hate the ps3 or sony. I don't hate anyone. I find myself defending the ps3 ironically to my friends who come over my house and laugh at the games. And I have every ps3 launch game. I know there will be great games at some point. But from what I see and play....its just not on the same level as the 360. Thats just being honest. Now, how people take that to being hate...I have no clue. But its not hate. Its honesty with no favoritism. I'm a gamer. I love games. I like Resistance. If I didn't have a 360 and hadn't played one....I would most likely enjoy the ps3 a lot more. Take what you want from that....But I'm being real and honest about my experience with the 360 and the ps3.

So Alien....I ain't trippin on your out burst. Many sony fans are very edgy right now. Whether it be the fact that the ps3 is getting bashed on Reviews by many sites.....whether it be that the ps3 isn't selling the amounts that Sony promised....or whether its the fact that for months sony fans would bash the 360 and now they realize the ps3 isn't better and they waited all this time to find this out. I don't know. But, I say everyone should calm down. The war is over. Both systems are out. One system leads in sales and one system leads in highly rated games, and one system leads in games sold per console, and so on and so on....So because I stated all this stuff that is pro xbox....that don't mean I hate sony or the ps3....I'm just stating the facts as they are right now. Things could change. But right now...it is what it is. My question is why does those facts bother sony fans so much.

I do understand your pain Alien. And you have to go way way back to understand where all this comes from. It comes from the sony fans constantly bashing the 360 prior to the ps3's launch. I told them many months ago that they would get what they deserve when the ps3 would finally launched.

P.S. I forgive any fanboy who bashed me personally. And I have absolutely nothing against Sony. I don't make up the news. I present it. And it is what it is. Gamers all benefit. Its all about the games right?

[highps3]

You're a geek. You don't present news. You're a geek on a comment section station your insanely idiotic opinion.

Seems to me there is quite an interest in Sony being as everyone one of there positive news stories end up with 100+ replies of xbots saying how the Ps3 and Sony sucks, yet there still reading there news for the past year?

Its quite funny because now all ps3 fanboys well most are now on xbox just being annoying as can be, well i am atleast. Not for much longer though that POS getting returned.

[kmis87]

Why do you have Mobile Suit Gundam?

[Bill Gates]

I have no bubbles, I have no bubbles. I have no bubbles, I have no bubbles......The movie KIDS for those that don't know....LOL

And let me just add, that because I've only got one bubble, when ever I say my piece on an article, don't talk to me hidding behind your powerfull keyboards (you know who you are you dipsh!ts). At least I have the balls to keep only one account instead of opening up 5 others. I can only post 1 comment per post all because some xbox fanb!tch got his feelings hurt, and you know what, I could careless. I used to think it was a great time to be a gamer, but come to think of it, IT'S A SH!TTY TIME TO BE A GAMER!...at least on this site that has now been taken over by 360b!tches. Watch me lose my last bubble just because one fanb!tch can't take what he/she dishes out.

sign,
Epstein's Mother

[AuburnTiger]

There's a lot of truth to your statement, especially about how a lot of people create new accounts to have more bubbles.

[timmyp53]

I am i PS3 fanboy!
but i don't ever do what xbox fans do.
-go to the rival sections side and talk crap.
-Lie
-yes lie.. a xbox360 fan boy that was an employee at my gamestop told customers that the ps3 cost 1000 dollars and it was half the graphic of the 360..i told him it didnt and wasn't and asked his co-worker who knew the price to tell him to stop lying...she wasn't like him.( i knew he was a fanboy because he said sony sucked basically when i asked for a scary game besided RE)
-making ps3 the most popular section on this site and the rest of the internet because of the 100's of stupid comments is only making the xbox360 become #2.come on stop being so desperate ..i wonder how many desperate 360 fans there are like that out of the 7 million 360 owners...
-but hey publicity is publicity and the average person will not even go to a site like this or anything related.they will see ps3 as the most popular and visited but they won't go in and look at the user submitted news or post.
-yes the 360 is a good system and i woudnt mind playing gears or DOA ...yes some games will be fun on the 360 and i won't bash them without mercy like 360 fanatics
-resistance is great and i love hack and slash games i bought all 4 onimushas despite the "crappy camera angles"(which i never noticed because i was having too much fun) angles that people online bashed i own The first Genji ..it is a good quality game and i will buy the second game(it looks crazy.in a good way)
it just sad how the online gaming community has changed

[timmyp53]

if i can read ur post correctly if u said PS fans are not on 360 its the opposite than i agree

[DeathNote1]

"hello, im an xbot, i support monopolization. i bash sony for fun because i am scared"

[NubreedLive]

i think its silly how they comment on how much the game is costing.... c'mon focus on making it better not showing off.... i hope killzone ps3 lives up to its hype

[NextGen24Gamer]

For example...Xbug xterminator changed his name to Enforcer of Truth because of me. Many many months ago I was The Real Deal. And xbug was so obsessed with me that in one of my postings I let it be known that I am The Enforcer of Truth. Thats what I do on this site. I give links and info so people can make educated decisions. Well, in the link I provided you will see that in post number 213 .... I let it be known that I was the enforcer of truth. Now, if you take a look at the posts. You will notice that The enforcer of truth is his name. But everyone refers to him as Xbug xterminator...he even refers to himself as xbug exterminator... He then Jocked me so hard that he changed his name to the name that I came up with. Thats how obsessed he is with me. If you look through the postings you can see all the sony fony charactors doing what they do...DJ, The Truth, xbug/enforcer, Jin, and a few others that no longer post due to the rules set in place. Why am I showing you this you ask? Because it puts in perspective how and why xbug is obsessed with me. He is so obsessed with me that he changed his name to the name I gave him. As if he is my child and I named him. Like I'm his daddy. ha ha ha ha ha ha... Remember go to post #213....

P.S. The day Dusty said pick one screen name and stick to it. I did just that. Thats why I chose KobeBryant as my avatar...He came back after all the allegations and now he is better than ever with a new number. I have never hid that. But that was then...and this is now. I came up with Xbugs new name. He idolizes me. He is obsessed... Here is the proof.

http://www.news4gamers.com/...

[Karibu]

All of the users here you got 5 bubles left. WTF?!!

Your behaviour is worst here, you sling BS all ovet and write nonsense. You aren't worth your word and lie constantly. You also start flame wars and have multiple accounts.

And now you have used all your bubles for useless BS. Having 5 bubles doesn't mean you have to use them all, especially BS what your're writing.

It doesn't even end there, seems like every xbot in this site is beginning to make same kind os pure flaming and hating, for reason you're the worst and you've not punished for it, so they think the can get away with it too.

This is BS. There's no conversations anymore.
Just poo slinging.

[Maddens Raiders]

this should come up. <Way off topic> All of the SNE bashing and loving has done nothing but make SNE's system the most bloodlustful item of the season. Ridiculous!

The SNE bashing I've seen right now is at an all time high. It's like a hot fever has taken over and the PS3 is what ails some of these folks. At my local EBGames the "Associates" are simply unabashed with the stuff coming out of their mouths. Blasting up customers left and right with wildly inaccurate information about the PS3. I've heard some wylde out crazy mess like: there's no online, to... you can't play any of the old games,.... to simply "you don't want one". I've had to pull people aside and tell them whats up. Not all of the associates are out of control, but most of the managers (guys) are boss hawg style PS3 haters to the core. Mostly of the chicks are cool as hell though. All in all - Simply outrageous behavior. But this is the rock we all spin on....
And ironically all the attention over the PS3 lately whether you LOVE it or HATE it has markedly raised its profile over the last couple of months and turned "it" into some kinda magnificent train wreck? Its wierd.
Admit it: No matter what SNE story comes on this site - its sure to fire up a firestorm of banter. The other consoles get their hits, but SNE threads are consistently streaming with fresh flamery and crisp, clean sniping. The hating is spectacular, and the lies splendid! It's all an opera. And I think that's why SNE has come out with all these wierded out commercials, because they know that the word spread through debate, rumours, lies, inuenndo, truth, and speculation are gonna drive it into peoples minds no matter what. There's no better marketing than people wondering what all the fu|<n fuss is about. SNE has become the Tom Cruise of consoles. Hated by Most. Loved by All. Not really, but you get my point. Like I said, this may be ridiculous, but credible. Look at the hype, the news, the killings, the hating, the stupidity, the waiting , the auctions, the lines, the joy, the love. SNE is loving this $hit guys! They know that the world is still out there waiting to see "what's next" and if they can deliver the Cellicious goods or not with the PS3.

<Way back on topic> So, a/w I just hope there's a KZ3 Gold Edition that's native 1080p with free downloadable content already included or make the damn thing multi-disk if you have to with the Helghast invasion on one, and the ISA response on the other. What!? its' $21 million! lol

Oh yeah ....top gamr. I really don't mind all of the mindnumbing characters you put on the screen. And the recycling of your amazingly consistent rhetoric & SNE hatespeak from post to post. I don't even mind the straight up Super Porn MS worship that you perform as your signature.
But please, just stop voting for yourself. With the implementation of multiple accounts you are going nuts with all of the voting. Good Grief. It's really not cool man.

[MicroGamer]

When someone goes into a Gamestop or Best Buy or Circuit City or whatever looking for a PS3 or a Wii and they don't have any to sell, the associates are told to push XBox 360 hard in order that they can get some kind of sale instead of letting the customer leave empty handed. It is going on all over and a lot of people are going for it with rebates and free games being the biggest incentives to draw people's attention away from PS3 and Wii. Now, that said, those that are using dishonest sales tactics to get people to buy are wrong in that they are scaring people away from the alternatives instead of giving them the facts. I still think, though, that even if they give them the straight deal on all three systems, a lot of them will still buy a 360. It has a lot going for it right now and PS3 and Wii have a lot of ground to cover before they get where 360 is now. So for someone who is looking to buy right now, 360 is a great deal. In the future that may change as Nintendo and Sony get their online acts together and some better games come out for both systems, but you can't deny that is things stand TODAY, 360 is an awesome value.

[Bhai]

...the massive preview of MotorStorm and you know what, it made me realize that if a developer really wants to make something that pushes to the limits, they really do fascinate the world. With Killzone being prepared with allocating so many resources to the IP, its really going to be beyond wonder, really, you can quote me on this !!!

[DC RID3R]

..............."too many cooks spoiled the broth".

REMEMBER that!

[andy capps]

What a stupid bunch of comments above. I agree with Lance_Leon_Lionheart, can't we just enjoy video games and get away from the fanboy bashing back and forth. Too many fanboys on here, maybe I'll just have to go back to being a lurker or not looking at this site anymore. And what's with no moderation lately on comments? There are lot of comments on here from both sides that are spam and none of them are being shown as such.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

You come into a gamers news forum and don’t like the gamers, Guess what gamers are fans, just like music fans, movie and TV show fans. We are not all going to like the same thing, it is impossible to like the same thing. Music and movie fans argue and there are critics for them. Do you really think gamers are different? Fans, critics, publishers, consoles, PC, handheld, Developers, news, magazines, online, fun and FANBOYS are part of gaming. If you can’t deal with the type of gamers that come here go elsewhere or play by yourself.

[andy capps]

All I'm asking for is moderation of the fanboys here. Have you actually read all of the comments on this thread? It's ridiculous. I don't hate gamers, just fanboys. I wish people would just respect something even if they don't care for it, I try to do the same on other games or systems that I don't care for. End of my rant.

[Geohound]

... and all I have to say? They'd better deliver.

[super bill]

i suppose sony are going to say that this game is a halo beater like they did with the ps2 version.dont make me laugh killzone will never beat halo you can have 120 developers or 120000 developers doing killzone and it still we not beat halo.

[Maddens Raiders]

Why?!?!?!

Because Jesus is going to make Halo 3? C'mon man. Give it a rest.

Are you even into KZ? Do you know the storyline and the characters? Have you played it online? In a clan? Anything else besides Halo? Have you ever played through the full campaign mode? If not then why in the He77 would give a rats a$$ about this article?

"120 developers or 120000 developers doing killzone and it still we not beat halo."

I have a funny feeling about the way you wrote that statement for some reason super bill..o_O

[testerg35]

And yet all Sony Fanboys are already claiming that its going to be a Halo Killer? All based on a CGI and the budget... that its going to be awesome. Atleast with Halo 3 you can reference the previous Halo games, which even though you might not like it, was a SUCCESS in both reviewers and players minds.

I tried to play KZ when it first game out.... couldn't even get into it cause it was SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOW. Without the gameplay, I couldn't care about the story or characters.

[Odiah]

Halo and Killzone? Since when was this the best FPS? The likes of Counterstrike and Unreal Tournament wipe the floor with this linear drivel.

[sixaxis]

Thats one hot article.

Ok back to game- Its going to cost over 21 millon $. like wow.

[DC RID3R]

hyped up over the news that 120 Devs(from holland) are working on a PS3 title!

The reason for the magnitude of the Guerilla taskforce is simply because if you, like me, have ever travelled to Holland (ask TheMart), you might have encountered the SEVERE effects of potent substances.(no joke)

Ranging from; Blue cheese, Purple Haze, AK-47, Skywalker(stay INDOORS if your gonna toke), and Blueberry to name a few, trust me guys , those sony Devs have got a HELL of a mission trying to get Killzone2 to 'Gold' status!

HOLLA

[PureGamer]

say that the halo franchise is great i played it nothing to special it was ok and halo 2 sucked, GOW is the same its alright but so short its stupid anyway killzone was alright didnt help that it was proclaimed a halo killer when it was no where near but still an alright game in my view. This killzone could be big if they get all the stuff right im looking forward to see what they can do.

and to all the people going omg its BS omg gears has already owned it.

Get a bloody life they are games you sad people stop arguing over them