Is Too Human the X360's Haze? - Hands-on Report

Gameplayer had an opportunity to play Too Human today, and have gone live with less than convincing thoughts, suggesting that Too Human could turn out to be a turkey, similar to PS3 exclusive Haze.

"Last night Microsoft held a little Too Human event, giving the Australian games journalist scene an opportunity to get some hands-on time with the highly anticipated release. In production for a whopping 10 years and delayed almost as many times as Duke Nukem Forever, it is one of 'those' titles that passionate fanboy nutters bring up when they're having those silly console war arguments. But with PS3 owners smarter at the debacle which was Haze, could X360 fans have a similar embarrassment on the horizon with Too Human?

Three members of the gameplayer team were on hand for the event and while we weren't able to put the game through our usually rigorous preview testing, we thought you might be interested in our first up impressions. You might be surprised by our thoughts."

[Hydrolex]

I can really see that these games are anything under 8.5

Fable 2
Too Human

@ Disagrees: I'll laugh at you one day.

[Hydrolex]

Never think that " Being in Production for 10 years means AWESOME ".

10 years is when PS2 was popular and there were no 360 or PS3 so how did they really work on the next-gen console ?

Game developing is just skillz + more workers + more opinions = Great Game

[BulletToothtony]

Are these websites that go into a little show and it's absolutely clear that the game is not done yet.. and yet the first thing they do is come out and say the game seems unfinished and has some visuals issues..

Well no crap.. is not completed yet.. this has been a huge issue with so many websites talking crap about ps3 games and i hate it just as much on ps3 games as in 360 games.. it's just stupid to do so.

Most people liked killzone2 but there's always the ones saying, well the gameplay need some touches.. really?? you must be a genious..

Anyhow.. a lot of people are waiting on this game and hopefully it will be just another great game for 360 owners..

[morganfell]

WooHoo! The box art is out for Too Human. Royal Hotness!

http://rome.ro/uploaded_ima...

Tony, the game is in beta. it ought to have a very very close resemblance to the final product. That means a lot of the issues are not going away.

[plenty a tool]

and it's worth remembering that gameplayer.com.au is a notoriously anti-microsoft web-site, that is reknowned for the articles rubbishing the company and games.

and seeing as one of their sponsored links on the web is for the ps3! it's not to imagine why they are so anti-360.

hydrolex: 10 years...lol. what do you think they are using a ps2 game engine?? the game has been on paper for 10years, not in development(another bit of negative spin from gameplayer). they started work proper in 05 with unreal engine, then they had to stop and start again, plus build their own game engine.

anyway hydrolex why are you trolling the 360 news? infact, i've never seen any too human thread with this many replys....but this is the first thread to take a serious swipe at the game/ enabling all the familiar sony fanboys a chance to come in sling some mud aswell. just look at below to see them all.

very sad and pathetic. but n4g is pretty pathetic

[Highwayman]

Hydrolex

Lol.........yeah, we will see. I wonder if you'll retract your previous statement once Fable 2 recieves many scores of 9.0 and above.

[RememberThe357]

@1.2
I thought this was a good preview. They told us what they saw and what their impressions were. They pointed out the issues they saw but added that they could be because the game was not finished. Just because the game gets finished doesn't mean these issues will be resolved. Many, many games are released with issues that seemingly where not addressed in the time that the developer was given between preview and release. Almost every flaw GameInformer pointed out about Mass Effect in their previews were still a problems when the title released. Now I loved me some Mass Effect, don't get me wrong but it shows you what I'm tslking about.

[barom]

naw Banjoo Kazooie is 360's next big flop. Too Human looks actually good in my opinion. Plus the folks at 1up (who initially bashed it) loves it. That can't be bad. They bashed the hell out of Banjoo though.

Also I don't think Halo Wars is gonna be that big.

[SlappingOysters]

That was a very silly comment. Sorry, but the article states that the game is 90% finsihed. And why do you think MS would host an event and let them play the game for 2hrs if it wasn't to have an article written about it? Wake up to real life.

@ Tool - anti-=MS? Why, yesterdays 'epic fails' of MGS 4 article is easily fogotton isn't it. What about their Bungie Still King article also from yesterday. People like you make me sick, get your head out of MS's arse and realise that someone saying something bad about something isn't a bad thing: it' s a way forward.

[Tomdc]

no point in this article! Could be great, might not be... Just like haze we wont find out till the reviews come out.

[BulletToothtony]

if you think i'm a 360 fanboy you're in for a treat.. i only own a ps3.

I'm in no company's side.. i'm in the gamers side, what i said is that i don't like is website trying to badmouth a game just to get hits..

i do admit that i didn't read the article yesterday about the epic falls of mgs4 but the titles were stupid. that was my bad yes.

But in case you have not heard the last 10% of the game is the most important part according to many developers..

I'm not defending MS or Sony, i'm just against websites coming up with stupidities that spread fud and SOME people swallow it like if it's the absolute truth..

If you don't agree with my comment feel free to express your point, but don't come here insulting me acting like a high school kid(thou you may be one) when i am in no way insulting you, the moment i do that feel free to defend yourself.

Until then please keep a civilized conversation.. if you want to believe that because one website is saying that this game is gonna flop the game sucks well then that's your decision.

By the 6 agrees and your 1 disagree i believe that i'm not being an "fanboy" i'm just expressing my opinion.

[SlappingOysters]

sorry, your right I shouldn't have let me frustration get to me, I just had knee jerk reaction from a few of the comments.

a.) What is the point of a website existing if not to get hits? It amazes me when people on this site say that. It is like saying 'bands only make music for people to listen to it'.

b.) Three journos gave three honest opinions on a hands-on they were given last night. Three people with not the same, but a similar vibe, from the game.

I guess this wasn't some preview based on a trailer, or some gamer's personal site having a rant. It was three professional jounros on a big commercial site's reaction to playing the game for 2hrs. As in it's actually a GENUNINE PREVIEW as opposed to those usual 'everything is wonderful' previews you generally get.

I don't think there was agenda here: it was an impression. And what are we all doing on this site if not to read up on the experiences of the lucky few who have earned the right to see this stuff earlier than the public?

[BulletToothtony]

Yeah i do agree about websites needing hits in order to make some money, i often approve controversial news to n4g in order to get some hits on the site.. but this site is ran by users, and for the most part it's a pretty well balanced site.

Leaning a little on the ps3 side but hey that's why i like it.. i used to visit joystiq but them having an 80% of ps3 haters got me tired of it.

I don't have a problem with websites getting hits, i just don't like when they do so by the lack of common sense, by bashing games, specially before the due time, which is by the time of the review..

There is a chance that the game may flop yes.. and they might be right, but i just don't like when they do so in flame bait form, i'm just tired of fanboys which = i don't like website provoking fanboys

[plenty a tool]

everyone with half a brain knows how anti-ms gameplayer is. remember all the gta and microsoft panic articles?? and the fact that the same web-site has sponsored links for the ps3 should raise an eyebrow every time they do an anti-ms/360 thread.

bungie still king? i saw the thread but didn't bother looking because when have bungie ever been king? khing of halo maybe, be seeing as they made the game, well...

what was the mgs thread aswell? mgs has been receiving rave reviews! i've not seen any anti-mgs threads. besides, with all the sony fanboys with approval rites, they would never get approved.

it's the poeple like you that make me sick, and that have helped turn a once decent site into a anti microsoft/360 mud-fest. i'm sure there's an rrod thread just waiting for approval somewhere.

and you knew full well that the sony fanboys would be out inforce for this one because as i said it takes a swipe at the game. go back to any other too human thread and see how many replys...that's rite they barely get over 20. but as soon as one is an attack on the game. oh look it's at 95 already. and has only been up a few hours.

i dont mind an opinionated and informed preview. if this had been ign or edge i would've taken note. but seeing as it's from gameplayer??? it needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

just an observation. but i've never seen you comment on a too human thread before. interesting that you would want to get this one up?!

this is just a hit generator along the lines of some of bloodmasks recent storys...perhaps there's more than one person gunning for "super contributor" lol...very sad!

[SlappingOysters]

they're a plague. If they said Too Human will be X360's Final Fantasy or something the response would have been no diferent.

I don't think it was game bashing, but we may have to agree to disagree there, the impression I got was that they want Too Human to be great, but couldn't help but be disappointed.

@ - plenty a tool.

I am always on gameplayer and there are pro and con articles for everything: not all of them go 1000 degrees on N4g and into your line of sight though. I remember them going into bat for MS when Rockstar offered Sony the package PS3/GTA deal. I just don't think you should come in and make generalised rants on a site while simmultaneously pointed out how you don't even bother to read the articles. Chances are if you haven't been on a site all you read are the stories that go big on n4g: which is probably 10% of everything that goes live and are only the ones that make a statement or opinion which provokes a reaction.

[ChampIDC]

He said he CAN'T see them as anything UNDER 8.5, which means no less than 8.5. That's a good thing...

[gaffyh]

From what I have seen of this game it looks crap. I can really see it being a Haze/Lair, same with Fable 2, but the difference with Fable 2 is it has a bigger fanbase, so it may get a low score but still get high sales. It may even get high scores from some of the fanboy reviewers.

[tatotiburon]

this game will be great, if not it lower score would be 8 like NG2, still good review...HAZE and LAIR they are FLOP, with 6/10 and 4/10, FLOP, FLOP. I hope you guys know the diference between an 8/10 and a 6/10.

[AAACE5]

Well I have almost no interest in Too Human. It just doesn't seem like it will be that good! Fable was pretty good, so I think Fable 2 should be alot better.

Review Prediction: Fable 2 9/10 Too human 7/10

[Scrooge]

This is one of those games I'm going to get regardless of what the reviewers say about it. It's Silicon Knights! I loved Legacy of Kain. The fact remains, if this game sucks then it will be SK's first sucky game of all time. It's a safe bet that it won't suck.

[The Lazy One]

There was a game that was in production for the PSX and Gamecube, but that game was canceled.

This game is completely different. They have different plots, drastically different gameplay, and the universe has changed dramatically. This game was built from the ground up starting in 2005.

[GarandShooter]

'I hope you guys know the diference between an 8/10 and a 6/10.'

And I hope you know this is an arbitrary numbering system based on NOTHING but opinion. If anyone has 'written guidelines' that show how scores are assessed, I'd like to see it.

'Just like haze we wont find out till the reviews come out.'

Almost agree, I would change it to...we won't find out until we've played it.

[Millah]

Unfortunately I knew that this would happen to Too Human. I just saw this coming after all these delays and all the problems Sil. Knights had with development of this game, for some reason I knew this game wouldn't live up to hype and thought this would turn out to be a tragedy since this game does sound very promising and should have been an excellent title. I still have my hopes up because I've been looking forward to this game since the launch of Gamecube, but lets say I won't be shocked when it turns out to be a huge disappointment.

[Highwayman]

Champ

He said that he CAN see them going UNDER and 8.5!
His comment wasn't a positive one.

[Silogon]

I knew this was going to happen cause the entire media was upset with SK over the UT3 and Epic saga. It's all politics, man. All of it. This game will get 6.5 to 8.5 and nothing more. It might get like 1 paid for 9, if it's lucky.

A shame too. The game has been in development for so long and had so much going for it.

Edit to below:

Haze wasn't a flop in terms of sales, though. It's sold well over a million now and that is a big time success in this day and age and with the ever changing gaming world. Haze might've not lived up to your personal taste but in many it was just fine. so the media didn't like it, who cares? Lemme guess, that moronic wannabe Gamesblow didn't like it, who careS? Yahtzee punk ass didn't like it, who cares?

Haze did some things right.

[RememberThe357]

I agree with you about Haze. My god brother bought it and said it was pretty cool, and I'll take his word over any reviewer. That said, this is not politics. Most people want this game to be good. Read the article the authors make it very clear they're looking foreword to the game. The problem is the 10 year thing. People are expecting a lot and I think we'll get a lot. Keep your chin up partner, things'll get better in the end.

[Marojado]

I completely agree. I personally enjoyed Haze for the most part. It was a fun distraction from Uni exams and filled the void between GTA and MGS. Likewise, i think that regardless of what scores Too Human gets, it does seem to have a lot going for it and i think people will enjoy themselves regardless of what web reviewers think. I'm personally looking forward to it.

[Closing]

I'd like to see any evidence that Haze sold well over 1 million copies. And if it did then people truly will buy any crap that is sold to them.

[Ri0tSquad]

I haven't played it but IMO I think this game will turn out ok.

[e-ray]

Well, so far this game has been hype, failure, hype, and now possibly failure. We'll have to wait and see where it ends up. After it changed engines, the media began to like it much more, it seems. That may spell good things for it.

[Hydrolex]

still worse than Uncharted and MGS4.

Skillz Brothers Skillz ! Don't make games if you cant

[Hydrolex]

imagine, spending on employees and other stuff for 10 years to make a game, and their game flops ! OMGGGGGGGGGG I'm worried for them.

maybe they have 20 high school gamers as their employees

[LaChance]

Yeah , they started develloping this game for the 360 10 years ago...

Your intelligence shines like the sun.

[Hydrolex]

10 years for a 9GB DVD game ? If it was a PS3 game and it was 50GB Compressed then yes that would make sense. This game is not even bigger than GTA IV or MGS4.

This will flop for sure

[Vecta]

Silicon Knights have also put out two other games in the past 10 years....

Eternal Darkness which scored a 92 average
and
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes which got a 85 average
yeah thats right a Metal Gear Solid game, are they a bad developer now?

[Dacapn]

That's a stupid statement. Free Radical put out Goldeneye...then they made Haze.

[Vecta]

There are only a few members in Free Radical that actually worked on Goldeneye...

And I was just saying that they have not been working on this game for the past 10 years...

[NO_PUDding]

It still stupid becuase Rockstar made GTA III onwards and then GTAIV, the skip into this generation trips plenty of developers.

And GTAIV is also an exmaple of scores not always being and accurate way of rating a game. And Twin Snakes was a pure remake on new hardware, there was nothign creative from their side that went into the Twin Snakes. And it only scored an 85.

[Lekumkee]

LMAO yea right, they developed Metal Gear Soild?!?! All they did was recode it for the Gamecube. LMAO!!! Dennis Dyak couldn't even hold Kojimas jock strap. As a matter of fact to true MGS fans he basterdized the game by adding his crap matrix like fighting scenes everywhere.

[pimpstation]

Exactly. MGS fans hate the Twins Snakes. All they did was take a classic game, rape it, and then put it on Gamecube.

As for Too Human, it looks wack yo. That's all that needs to be said. Maybe it'll be a decent game, but nuttin special.

Damn, things are really looking bad for xbox fans. First Ninja Gaiden flops, now it looks like Fable 2 is going to be a huge flop, and this game doesn't look too promising. Better start praying that Viva pinata is the best goddamn game ever made.

[gambare]

and it was a stealth game, very much like MGS and it was mentioned like a revolutionary title in terms of graphics and gameplay, and now it's a sengoku clone

[JVIDICAN]

if this "flops", there kinda screwed with the trilogy idea
should be fine though

[fufotrufo]

i dont get ittt..thiss gamee looksss soo badd..why are people hyping this huh?

[Condoleezza Rice]

But I honestly think the game needs more development time.The gameplay just looks very underwhelming;Not only does it look overly repetitive,but coupled with the graphics,well,let's just say I'm not seeing anything 'next-gen' about it.

Until I can play it I can't state whether or not the overall product will be a miss with gamers,but from everything we've been shown+alarming comments made by the head of Silicon Knights,to be frank,I'm very worried about this title.

[nice_cuppa]

i disagree with you and agree with me !

[plenty a tool]

why are you worried? do you own a 360? why would anyone call you crazy? the game has been in development since 06! after they dropped the unreal 3 engine and had to start on their own! it's been on paper for ten years....you fanboys are just annoying.

the graphics look good. and, if you had a 360,it would've given you a chance to watch the trailers in HD through a tv, rather than watching them through a computer...meaning that they look pretty damn good on the tv, and better than on the net.

[beavis4play]

it started on the ps1. then to gamecube. and this was actual development work-not just "on paper" lol. i remember reading about it. but, if 2.5 years of 360 dev. time ends up to what i've seen in previews; then, this has taken too much time to complete.

[NightVyper]

I think the games was originally suppose to come out for PS1 PS2 and who knows what else, but never did which could mean the idea is bad i know every one is like it has to be good it been on paper for years. Really then why wasn't it released on PS2 if it was such a good idea why did it get shelved so many times that is not the sign of a top notch game or concept. silicon knights got lucky with the legacy of kain franchise and it slowly went down hill and then they went no where. this game will be okay at best but it wont be what the hype says it is.

[Condoleezza Rice]

Own 2 as a matter of fact ^.I'm worried because the product isn't shaping up nor looking like it's going to deliver what the gamers EXPECT it to deliver,as everything I've seen,read,and heard thus far,has been troubling and alarming to say the least.

[nycredude]

Yeah I am not that impressed with the graphics. Is it using the Unreal engine because it looks kind of like UT3 but not quite as polished? Sh*t I think got spoiled by MGS4!

On a different note, any one of you multiple console owners can help me make a decision on whether or not I should buy my friend's Xbox360? He's expecting a kid and no longer wants his xbox...

[Bloodwar]

Yes, that 200 dollar game was originally envisioned for the PS2, but Capcom's developers noticed that the PS2 was not the system to handle such a godsend of a game. Its a shame that Capcom didn't wait until this generation and release Steel Battalion multi-console on two equal game systems. The PS3 and the Xbox 360. It would have meant that the game would have sold a million or more rather than hundreds of thousands. =) The userbase was still small for the Xbox when that game was released, now with 30 plus million owners between the 360 plus PS3-- its a shame they don't do an update on Steel Battalion. Brilliant game.

[The Lazy One]

The PS1 and Gamecube versions were the same game. This is a completely different game.

This game has been in development since 05. It doesn't use the unreal engine. It uses an engine built in house mid development (it was originally using unreal).

Anyone upset with the way the game is going now (outside only having 2 player co-op... legitimate complaint) must not have been following the game. The game looks great as it is right now, and most importantly, it looks really fun. It also has a lot of replayability, co-op, and characters that are going to carryover to sequels.

[Closing]

@Condoleezza Rice

At this point there is no way they can delay it any further or drastically change it. Development coasts have risen greatly, and they're too far in now. Much much further than they've even been. If they were to delay it any further it would be a few months to polish it up, but nothing more than that. The further they delay it now the worse shape it will be in much reminiscent to Haze.

[LaChance]

I think this game does stand a chance of being a Haze , But the differance is that this looks better than Haze looked.Haze looked like crap from the start.Too Human looks good but not amazing.And it was hypped up back in the day because the first impressions were great.Haze was hyped up because...well , Im sure you know why.

In fact it depends on the trailers , somtimes I look at a trailer and I tell myself "wow , great" and I'll see a 2nd trailer and say "euh, what was that ?"

All in all , I really think if the game is as good as it sounds (story , original gameplay , devs treating the game like their baby etc) then it will be a very good game.

They just have to get the whole package right.

And sorry guys how can this game have been in development for 10 years when the 360 is only 2 and 1/2 years old ? The PS versions and N64 versions etc are 10 years old NOT the 360 version.Stop trying to spin unnecessarily.

edit : lol , whats up with all the disagrees ?

[Clap Your Hands]

People are probably disagreeing with this part of your post:

"And sorry guys how can this game have been in development for 10 years when the 360 is only 2 and 1/2 years old ? The PS versions and N64 versions etc are 10 years old NOT the 360 version.Stop trying to spin unnecessarily."

It's pretty ironic that you should say this :) Too Human was originally in development for the PS1 as a 4-disc action-adventure game. It was shown at E3 1999.

Then the game was moved to the Nintendo GameCube in 2000.

And now finally it's coming for the Xbox 360 in 2008

[morganfell]

"As a 360 owner I think this game does stand a chance of being a Haze , But the differance is that this looks better than Haze looked."

DID I JUST READ THAT?

A turd is still a turd whether it glistens with polish or just lays there stinking up the bathroom.

[BattleAxe]

Well if you think HAZE looked like crap, then obviously you agree that HALO looks like crap too.

[juuken]

...This game looks way too average in my opinion.

[TheExecutive]

Haze looks like a GTA FPS. I played the game for 15 minutes then sent it back to gamefly.

[1stKnighT]

Haze was a serious flop. Too Human has alot of potential and alot of gaming journalists that previewed it are saying alot of good things about it. This will be a hit for sure.

[wAtdaFck]

-_-

Thats what they said about Haze.

[Whoooop]

I remember reading some good Lair previews...

[The gaming GOD]

Exactly!

I remember how much reviewers like gamespot and ign were talking about how great Lair's controls were when they had HANDS ON previews of the game. Then when the reviews came around that said how bad the controls were.

Word of advice, NEVER trust previews

Edit-@Riotsquad,

Yeah, that game too. lol

[Ri0tSquad]

IGN said one reason to love Vampire Rain was because of the b-movie dialogue. Score from them 2.9/10

Just because a game got a good preview doesn't make it a good game.

Haze, Lair, Vampire Rain, Shadowrun and many more support that.

[pwnsause]

dont forget Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragon

[green]

What's wrong with Lost Odyssey?That game is really good.

[The gaming GOD]

He was just bringing to point how some people in their previews were talking so highly of it. Yet when the reviews came around it was like the pulled a 180 and said TOTALLY opposite of what they said in their previews

[1stKnighT]

Lost Odyssey and Blue Dragons are great games if you like that genre so you fail there buddy.

Are you trying to compare Vampire Rain to Too Human???? That's a fail.

Haze had a lot of bad previews before it came out. Not many people said it was going to be a hit. Only sony fanboys did.

Too Human at one point was called the "greatest epic ever created" by EGM. That's before the disastrous demo at E3. But it looks like they have rebounded and are back on track. This game is a 90% sure thing.

[pwnsause]

they did the same thing with Haze, Lair as i remembered the media was making a big deal of these two games by hyping it.

[pwnsause]

1stKnighT
http://www.metacritic.com/g...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

sure haze and lair got a lower score, but these games were on the same situation as well, the media made positive previews about these games, then all of a sudden, BANG, negative reviews.

[1stKnighT]

Lost Odyssey had a lot of marks taking out because of its loading times. But I guess it's okay for MGS4 to get a pass right? Lost Odyssey's loading times are a fraction of MGS4 but Mistwalker didn't give restrictions to the reviewers with their game like Konami did. ------------ZING!

[The gaming GOD]

NOBODY is comparing the games.

The SITUATIONS are being compared. Not the games themselves.

You are going to start an argument with the comments you make. But that's nothing new at n4g. I'm not going to say anyone is a fanboy here. But the comments speak for themselves here.

[green]

Sometimes it's just better to judge for yourself instead of trusting reviews and Lost Odyssey taught me that.

[pwnsause]

???, what loading times ??? the 6 second loading times, i dont know how thats a big deal. anyway, stay on topic, will ya?

green

I played them, and I thought they were good. im just stating an example.

[1stKnighT]

Cmon nobody is having an argument here. You swear like I'm over here yelling in front of my computer while I type this. I made a good point and you refuse to reply like most in here. MGS4 does not have 6 second loading times. It has like 5 minute loading times between acts. Why is it okay for MGS4 to get a pass while a game like Lost Odyssey can't? If Mistwalker gave restrictions like Konami did, I'm sure it would of gotten more 9's.

But anyway, Too Human looks to be a 3D Smash TV with insane combos and upgrades. That sounds like a winner to me.

[Whoooop]

" Why is it okay for MGS4 to get a pass while a game like Lost Odyssey can't? If Mistwalker gave restrictions like Konami did, I'm sure it would of gotten more 9's."

We're talking about a Masterpiece here... Probably The best game this generation and called by some The best game ever made.

MGS4 can get away with murder... Lost Odyssey is just an average game and very far from being a masterpiece, so no loadings are acceptable... :)

You're comparing a Chevrolet Aveo with a Limited Rolls Royce bud...

[pwnsause]

theres a difference between loading times and install times, loading is loading, installing is unpacking and storing to the HDD, besides, the install times in MGS4 is entertaining.

and thats like also saying why does it take so long to do matchmaking in Halo 3.

see what I did there, those are proven IPs. that attempt to change the way we game when the times change (the switch to next gen)

[1stKnighT]

Well the "greatest" game ever in this generation is getting a 93% overall average so calling it the best is far from being accurate. I wonder what the scores would be if their were no restrictions. The fact is Konami is the only company that has solid evidence of foul play with the reviewers.

"theres a difference between loading times and install times"???????
"and thats like also saying why does it take so long to do matchmaking in Halo 3."?????

Pwnsauce, you just pwned yourself with that ridiculous comment.

ANYWAAAAAAY, Too Human looks good! :D

[Jackthepwnsaur]

"Well the "greatest" game ever in this generation is getting a 93% overall average so calling it the best is far from being accurate. I wonder what the scores would be if their were no restrictions. The fact is Konami is the only company that has solid evidence of foul play with the reviewers.

"theres a difference between loading times and install times"???????
"and thats like also saying why does it take so long to do matchmaking in Halo 3."?????

Pwnsauce, you just pwned yourself with that ridiculous comment.

ANYWAAAAAAY, Too Human looks good! :D"

1.MGS4 so far has over 51 perfect score, metacritic doesnt count them, its overrated. its okay if you want to live in that fantasy land.

2. Pwnsause clearly didnt pwned himself. Halo 3 has a ridiculous wait time for matchmaking thanks to its shoddy p2p system. BTW the reviewers stated that a game like Metal Gear doesnt need to get points docked off for install times, because its a masterpiece. a game that you want on the 360, even though its not possible on the console, nice try on attempting to trash the game even though you dream of having it on the 360

sad thing is GeOW was six hours long on normal, while MGS4 is 30 hours long on 50gb BD disc on normal, so the install times get nullified by gameplay time. BTW i want to hear your cutscene/CGI argument about this game, because thats where you will get Ultra "PWNED".

The cutscenes are in-game and not pre-rendered. if you do say that, Sony/Konami/Kojima Productions/and Kojima himself will be greatful for you saying that, cause it means that the PS3 can make almost CGI quality games. and thats thanks to the Cell and RSX (yea TeH Cell as you naysayers call it)

3 again, the preview stated the game might end up like haze. you havent played the game yet to say its soo good. but again, live in the fantasy land if you want.

[Dacapn]

Seeing as you've never played MGS4, I'll clear some stuff up for ya. The install times between acts ranges from 3 to 1 min. While you play an act, you may experience 10-20 sec of load time total, and considering each act takes about 3-4 hours to complete, I think the load times are fine.

As for the reviews, the restrictions only applied to those who wanted to be the first outta the gate and review the game before the release date. IGN USA and Gamespot waited till the game came out so they could review the game without restrictions...and they gave it a 10/10. That's good in my book.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to defend. People have simply noticed that a lot of the ridiculously hyped games haven't lived up to the hype. Assassin's Creed, Halo 3, and Haze are 3 that stick out in my mind. They were hyped to high heaven, and IMO all those games sucked. What's to say that Too Human, which has been hyped for 10 freaking years, won't flop? In this age in gaming it's just safer to assume it's gonna suck.

[RememberThe357]

Everyones seems to be on your ass right now so I'ma be nice and respectful. Unlike some people. If Konami didn't restrict the reviewer the game probably would have gotten a higher score. Many websites gave lower review scores in protest of the restriction. Halo 3 and GTAIV got 10's out of hype. Period. I love those games but they are no 10's. MGS4 is a 9.5 just because MGO sucks balls. I never played a MGS game before this and this has become my all time favorite game. I would really encourage you to pick this game up if you have a PS3, if you don't I'd encourage you to pick that up too, it's well worth it.

[ice_prophecy]

All I can really say is, you just need to give MGS4 a whirl.

Be it ps3 game, it is without a doubt, a very good game.

[pumpkinpunker]

I approved this story but chuckled to myself at the same time.

[beavis4play]

you just saved me from writing what you just wrote. bubbles for you.

and if LO and BD are so great in that genre: why hasn't the 360 done better with the japanese- the people who love that genre?

[solidt12]

I think Too Human will have a limited audience that will love this game but it won't be for everyone. Im noticing lately that all these game journalist are so quick to only talk about whats bad about a game and we don't get to here about what's good, for instance I read some reviews of Ninja Gaiden II and most of it was complaining about the camera and the game shows age but when I played it it was Jaw Dropping gorgeous and the gameplay was the best I have ever seen in a Ninja Gaiden game. The same thing with MGS4, even when they love a game and give it a 10 they complain about something. OK journalist wake up, no game is perfect but that doesn't mean its not awesome. You guys are given us a false sense of these games with your negative reviews.

[Closing]

Press average 95%

http://www.gamestats.com/ob...

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

Stop lying because an ounce of research will show how full of it you are.

That being said this Too Human, and Fable 2 look mediocre at best, and will prolly be scored that way if they're lucky.

Furthermore stop lying to yourself.

[meepmoopmeep]

Silicon Knights is a good developer. give them a break.

[Ri0tSquad]

But that didn't stop Haze from flopping. Same with Level5 but Lair flopped.

[snoopgg]

This game was suppossed to be on the ps2 and xbox. They were working on this game way before 360 or ps3 came out. Those console versions got scrapped and they went on with developemnet for the 360. They are also the company that was suing the Unreal technology because they were having magor problems with the unreal engine. Call me a skeptic, but I think that this game will have some problems. Although, they should be able to make a good game, with all the time they have in this one.

[meepmoopmeep]

yeah i know, i'm not saying this game is a hit or a flop. no one knows, but give them the benefit of the doubt. i do, with every developer.

[Whoooop]

I won't comment on this... I'm just going to wait until release.

[green]

It could go either way.I will still get it no matter how bad the press chew it up due to the deep story.

[meepmoopmeep]

then i recommend you get MGS4 if you like deep stories

[green]

I never new that my 360 could play PS3 games?

[meepmoopmeep]

then you're missing out

[green]

Even if i owned a PS3 i dont think i will get MGS4.I missed out on 2&3 when i owned previous PS consoles.I dont know of MGS4 but i considered the stories of 2&3 not to be deep but overly complex.

And also dont like very long cutscenes, i prefer the story to unfold while playing ie Mass Effect and Bioshock.

Edit:I will be getting a PS3 in the near future and could rent the game if it's that good.

[pwnsause]

"And also dont like very long cutscenes, i prefer the story to unfold while playing ie Mass Effect and Bioshock."

MGS4 does it.

[pumpkinpunker]

Not everyone is a fan of the MGS series. I played through the first two and I am not fan of the story or dialogue. A lot of the story and dialogue is just embarassing to me. If I want to play a game with a great story then I will play the Half-Life series.

[meepmoopmeep]

i never said everyone is a fan, green said he liked TH because of the deep story, which i have no clue on knowing how he even knows how deep it is without playing it.

oh that makes sense, you skipped 2&3 but the story was too complex.
it's not a good story for those with low I.Q's and have low vocabulary and cannot comprehend military and scientific terms.

mgs4 is easy on the noobs story wise, and it is complex but deep at the same time.

but i get you, you're one of those people who don't appreciate games not on your console of choice. fair enough.

ah, then you do just that. miss out, just because...

i'm not a fan of story or dialogue but i'll play HL for a great story. lol. embarassment, yes.

[Dark General]

Please explain what story in the Half Life series? As far as i'm concerned the plot to it is pretty asinine. It basically consists of running away from "the man". There is very little plot to HL2, it's sort of a running theme in Valve games.

[Kareshi_X]

I Wont Judge The Game Without Playing It First Like I Did With Lair and Haze. But If Those guys says it needs improvement they might be right, Only Time SHALL TELL.

[Aclay]

Even though I'm a PS3 owner, I'm going to be completely honest.

If Too Human was coming out on the PS3 and it was going to be a PS3 exclusive instead of a 360 exclusive, I would not be interested in it. Period.

I'm not the person that says a 360 game will suck just because I don't have a 360, I give my honest opinion. After seeing the gameplay videos and trailers for the game, it doesn't really look that impressive to me right now.

From what I've seen from Gears 2, it looks pretty impressive, but Too Human...NAH. I think that it "could" be the 360's equivalent of HAZE but I'm not saying that it will be.

[Whoooop]

Even if I only had a 360, I wouldn't be interested in this game.

First... because I'm not into that kind of gameplay and second... because it just doesn't look good IMO.

I would've bought Gears, Crackdown, Bioshock, ME and I would've been exited about Alan Wake, Bioshock 2, Gears 2, maybe Fable 2 and ME2.

Too Human??? nop. Doesn't look appealing at all.

Is it going to be a flop?? We'll have to wait and see.

[Condoleezza Rice]

My thoughts EXACTLY ^.I think the whole epic and cinematic feel Silicon Knights are trying to accomplish absolutely PALES in comparison to what Epic are doing with GeOW2,and this is exactly why I'm worried.

It's like,after 10 years of on and off development,THIS is what the game is going to be like???

[plenty a tool]

aclay, i love the comment "I'm not the person that says a 360 game will suck just because I don't have a 360, I give my honest opinion"

interesting, coz i've never seen you give good comment. perhaps it's because of the ps3 in your name.

and whooop: your just a fanboy and you dont even try to hide it.

condelezza: i see in the post beow this you start again about the 10years in dev. the story has been around for ten years not the game. what are they using the same game engine?? come on enlighten us with your extensive knowledge?

or have you just choosen to ignore the fact that they had to scrap the work they did with the unreal 3 engine(which didnt come out til 05! not 98) then start work on the game again in 06 with their own engine?????

so what is it?

[Whoooop]

Why??? Because I like the PS3 more than the 360????

I recognize good games for the 360 and I can also recognize when upcoming games are looking great... Like Gears2 latest footage which blew me away.

Too Human?? I don't know how it's going to turn out, but I tell you this.. It looks awful... Gameplay looks like a mess, Animations are horrible, Visuals are subpar with most games this gen.. what else you need.

I also recognize crappy games for the PS3 like HAZE and Lair. While I thought Lair was going to be good, I knew HAZE was going to suck.

The only real fanboys are the one's that want to appear unbiased by giving thought out comments with little puns between the lines.

:)

[plenty a tool]

but i've never ever seen you write anything decent about the 360 or any of it's games...apart from the comment you just made on gears2. usually you do like you did with your first post and say something like "i wont comment on this". but because this has turned into a good ol n4g mud slinging fest. all the mud being slung by the ps3 owners that dont even own a 360, never will and will never play the game, i see you got a little bolder and joined the party. a quick browse of your previous coments is enough to see where you sit whooop even without your admission.

bottom line, i've never seen this many replys to a too human thread. like i said. it's a prime chance for all the fanboys to come and have a dig at a game they honestly love if it was on the ps3! especially as the ps3 doesn't have many rpgs, and too human has co-op to boot. every video of too human i've seen has looked pretty good.

[juuken]

This game doesn't impress me either, and hearing that it was actually supposed to come to the PS1 back in 1999 makes it a little worse. While the 360 has some good games, this game might actually flop. But let's wait until it comes out.

[Condoleezza Rice]

Secondly,'in production' covers MUCH much more than just the devs working on the Graphics,you must realize that game development isn't centered around graphics;It covers the Story,Setting,Plot Elements,Testing,and much much more.

So if they've indeed been doing this on and off for the past 10 years as I stated above,then the game has indeed been in production for 10 years and more.

[Kareshi_X]

@ ACLAYPS3 // Tru Dat . Coming From A 360 Kind Of Guy.

[jkhan]

I doubt this game will be as bad as Haze. Yes I own a PS3 and yes I rented Haze. I own a 360 as well. I am still interested in this game. One thing that is true is that this game will be slaughtered by reviewers. I don't understand how can they keep saying that this game is in production for 10 years? I mean yes this game was announced back in the ps1/ps2 days but this game that is going to release on 360 is a totally different game. Different engine, different gameplay, may be the same story plot but there definitely have been changed. But no everytime I read a preview, the author will say the first same line: "this game has been in production for 10 years". I mean come on give it a break. As far as how this game turn out to be, we all have to wait and see. By the way it looks 10 times better then haze.

[Condoleezza Rice]

The Story,Dialogue,Gameplay mechanics,Artwork,Music,you name it;all these have been 'in production' for over 10 years now.

Reviewers won't be ignoring this fact ^

[green]

Can you provide a link from either silicon knights or from these same reviewers that apparently played preview code before 360 dev. started in 05, to prove that the story,gameplay mechanics,music,dialog and artwork have been in development for 10 years?

[Condoleezza Rice]

As in,when any game element is being made,this counts as Production.

So with that said ^ ,the Story,Presentation,and gameplay mechanics of Too Human have both been changing and upgrading throughout the past 10 years;In other words,they've been 'in development'.

I think it's safe to say that the Silicon Knights team have been adding and changing things for the past 10 years?Or have they been sitting around their offices since E3 of 1999 doing nothing with the title,as you imply?

[green]

Too Human was originally in development for the PlayStation as an action game on multiple disks. It was shown at E3 1999,[2] but shortly before its completion Nintendo announced an exclusive partnership with Silicon Knights(they became a second party dev studio to nintendo), and the game was moved to the Nintendo GameCube in 2000.

A teaser trailer was shown at SpaceWorld 2000 showing what appeared to be a re-building of the PlayStation game. The game never surfaced.Development on Too Human then ceased and they went on to other projects namely Eternal darkness and Metal gear Solid: twin Snakes for the Nintendo Gamecube.

In 2005 Silicon Knights and microsoft announced a patnership to develop Silicon knights trilogy for the 360.So as you can see 5 years of inactivity on Too Human because they where working on other projects.

And also, if Sony announces in 2015 that 8 Days and The getaway are being developed as launch games for the PS5 in 2019.Will you say that those games have been in development for 10 to 11 years come 2019?Would you choose to ignore the put on hold/cancelation date of 2008 to 2015?

Let me give you another example.lamborghini wanted to make a small supercar in 1990 to sit under the Diablo.they commissioned pininfarina to design a concept car, which he did.

Funds became low for them and development stopped and recommenced when Audi took control of Lamborghini in 1999.The project was then revisited and the Gallardo was launched in 2003.If you ask lamborhini when development started they will tell you it started in 1999.You can not add the years of inactivity as development time.

[Snukadaman]

How can you lose on something people are calling a diablo clone...I will hold judgement and look foward to this game still.

[Alexander Roy]

Guys, I just found a hidden message in the game's title.
It's so easy to see, I wonder how no one saw it yet.
Fasten your seatbelts, here it comes:

The game's title is "Too Human". Now, if you put it like this...

T - I
O - T
O - '
H - S
U - H
M - A
A - Z
N - E

Coincidence? You decide.

Okay, bullsh't aside. Let's wait for the final game and read more than one review before we make our judgement. I really hope the game shapes up to be great, from what I heard about it, I like it.
Before anyone kills me because of my HAZE joke: You can do that with about every name of a game, you just have to make sure you have enough letters and you need some creativity.
(EDIT for better reading)

[pwnsause]

OH Noez, its a conspiracy, Just Like the Patriots!!!! They Control the System!!!

[Jok3r]

I Think Too Human looks boring as hell! The combat seems dull and the overall feeling I get from this games is that this game will get an average of 6/10 in reviews!

[nice_cuppa]

because this game is going to be great.
and on 360 it will sell great.

what is with the modern gaming press ?

everything is so negative !

i understand n4g is not the best place to look for a neutral point of view.......

as a certain group of people only post negative articles..... but i still feel we need a change.

if you compare a monthly mag to the internet its like another world.

the mags don't/cant play to hits like the websites do...
controversy is what the web lives on and i'm sick of it !

i am buying too human for me and another copy for my bro so we can co-op !

australian press !?!?
do they buy games over their ?
what are the install base's....
are they big gamers ?
should i listen to there opinion ?

[LastDance]

I definatly think we shouldnt listen to YOUR opinion

Edit: Mags dont call them 'hits'...its actually this thing called sales

[Highwayman]

I think Too Human has got the the ability to be great! And sure maybe the graphics won't be as good as MGS4, but so what. Graphics aren't everything to a game. Yet people have got this ingrained into them, that in order for a game to be good now it has to have the best looking graphics. This is why so many games this gen did poorly or okay-ish, when they should've done better.

I myself am a little wary of this title, but I think I'll buy it, if the gameplay is good. One good thing and something that says good things, is that we're getting a demo of Too Human. So this should speak volumes. Good or Bad.

[Big Jim]

Too Human will be a massive flop. In Too Human you attack by moving the right analog stick, and ONLY the right analog stick. Enough said.

[Highwayman]

Perhaps you should have read the article more clearly. The right stick is for melee. Whereas the triggers are for ranged weapons. Besides, you can't say that it "will" flop. You can only speculate. Who knows this system may come together real nicely......until then it's all speculation.

[ilkercruiser]

Unique story, unique gameplay , unique rpg elements
Haze is another bull-sheet fps, there are so many HAZEs on the planet. But not so many good rpgs out there

[JVIDICAN]

i agree up to this part
"But not so many good rpgs out there"
and thats were your credibility goes down the crapper

[CNIVEK]

"In production for a whopping 10 years and delayed almost as many times as Duke Nukem Forever..."

...right from the very first paragraph.

Of course, an inbred jackass like Hydrolex believes it enough to fuel multiple ignorant posts, full of pure fanboy bullsh1t.

[Highwayman]

Barom

Agreed. As much as I love RTS titles, I don't think Halo Wars will be all that great! So, I'm hoping that End War will be good.

[G1TR4P3D]

This game will be garbage. Trust me. I've been saying it for years. Just like I called it with Lair, Haze, Ass Crap, and Emo Sector. This is just "one of those games."

The important thing to remember here is, I'm never wrong.

[-Maverick-]

I dunno but you sounded like a pre-pubescent little biotch when I talked to you on Xbox live hahahahha and you're always wrong douche wad. ALWAYS.

[KBDuB]

Yea.. I'm sure your voice is deep in real life.. riight. We all sound like DMX in real life. Duh. -.-

And, please keep the racist comments to yourself. You sound like an idiot. Just being a racist makes you uneducated.. in it's own right.

[G1TR4P3D]

Really? Because I think you meant "its" and not "it's."

You learn something new every day! Now go play some B ball.

[AZgamerB3yond]

hey !!!! i heard of another great 360 exclusive coming out!!! It's "Too HazeMan!!"

[militant07]

i dont think its funny
but what ever your jelouse that 360 games dont flop as ps3

[power of Green]

LOL these losers need and wan't Too Human to fail lets wait. Just looks like an RPG to me which is all it is with modern upgrades like the way you control the animation combat in real time and co-op. Its just like a Jap turn-base but the battle scenes don't appear out of no where and you control a half canned and half real time action battle system with co-op lol.

WTF Mass Effect this hand-on is funky.

TH in development far far longer WTF? the concept and idea was thought up long ago but to say what Too Human is doing now was in developemnt for a decade etc is malice(LOL).

Lets just wait the previwers that get what the game is said good things.

[STARS]

I dobut it, HAZE was a huge flop to many PS3 fans dismay, including my own. This game looks promising, but we'll see when it hits. Nothing is set in stone these days that's for sure.

[militant07]

you stupids as hell the games wasnt for 360 as start
it was for other console i cant remember then its moved to another console ( cant remember which ) and delaied it agine tell its moved 360 and confirmed.

[power of Green]

Too Human can never be a Haze I repeat Too Human can never be the 360's Haze what a worthless media outlet lol.

The Too Human Devs never said that Too Human was only possible on the 360 the devs never said one of PS3's greatest titles was childs-play and that Too Human was the grown folks take on PS3 title-A and he simply did not claim Too Human was an grown up version of PS3's killer app lol(D.D did not say PS3 title X was for kids and his game would crush it basically).

D.D never said TH was something that will make one of PS3-eez hits a thing of the past basically. ALL D.D has said was I hope you get what we're trying to do and I hope you give it a chance and talked about how proud he was of finally being able to made the game the've been wanting to make for a around decade.

Haze is Haze because the devs talked mad sh*t its not that it was a flop its because the devs said it would replace what is currently very successful lol.

[LTC]

POG/Mart
u need to get a life seriously.

[Alexander Roy]

Dude, if you would use punctuation marks every now and then, I'd understand you. I can't even disagree, because I don't get what you are talking about.

[Muzzle Flash]

Haze was never said to be only capable on ps3, Radical just felt bad because of all the ps3 hate and decided to support an exclusive title for it, it's sad though that the game flopped, not because it's a ps3 game but just the fact that it was out of kindness it was an exclusive and that's probably gonna turn radical 360 degrees to the 360....it's like if someone gives you a 300 million gift and came to your party because everyone else didn't, and their gift ends up sucking after they put all their time into it...

[Britjadg]

anybody here speak 360 fanboy?

i need a translation of POGs post.

[militant07]

the game is not gona flop , people how like mass effect will like it too !

[guitarfanboy]

Too Human is awesome. 1 more reason to buy the XBOX360.

My list so far...

1.Gears of War 1 & 2
2.Ninja Gaiden 2 (A solid 8)
3.Hopefully an Oddworld game.
4.I'm told Fable is cool.
5.RROD has been fixed.
6.Too human.
7.@'edit'@ Mass Effect. I've heard only bad things from XBOX360 owners about this game, besides "It's the greatest story of our time."

[pumpkinpunker]

Trust me.

[guitarfanboy]

Replace my list with your top 7, 7 XBOT disagrees. Let me guess.

1.XBOX Live
2.XBOX Live
3.XBOX Live
4.XBOX Live
5.XBOX Live
6.XBOX Live
7.HALO 4

[VMAN_01]

5. RROD Fixed? What have you been smoking my friend.

[VMAN_01]

And Mass Effect definetely is not the greatest story of our lifetime.

MGS IS!!!!!!

[Drekken]

I only could get into the MGS Database a little last night... but WOW it maps every detail from every game with all char relations.... its unreal how deep the story is and I have probably missed a lot of info of who's who and what's what.

[guitarfanboy]

Sometimes sarcasm doesn't stick. Sorry.

[ThaGeNeCySt]

I haven't played Haze so I can't comment... but I do hope Too Human does end up being a good game... I'm a huge Silicon Knights fan since way back on the PS1 when they made Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain

I'll give it a shot myself... at the very least I'll like the almost limitless amount of character customizations

[hideo kojima]

Is this hyped to be the best console exclusive? Or that it utilizes special circuitery of the board and spu's and what not? No it prob started as a ps2 title then xbox and now 360.

[Vecta]

Since you posted questions ill just answer them

1.No
2.Yes, how else would it run...

And no the game began development in 2005 for the Xbox 360, then around mid 2006 they had to toss a lot out as they got rid of the Unreal 3 engine and had to create their own engine.

[Isaac]

It was never a PS2 or Xbox game you moronic Xtard. It was a PS1 game and then a Gamecube game, and last a 360 game, where it will most likely flop, you stupid Kojima wannabe.

[dolomite]

Hopefully it'll be good cause i'm actually looking forward to this game. Considering their last game Eternal Darkness was pretty cool, I'm hoping they can bring the same quality to Too Human.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

I seriously doubt that Too Human will be in the same limelight Haze is in. By looking at development video on Xbox Live and some gameplay of Too Human, this game looks good. This PS3 vs 360 sheit is getting out of hand.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

This right here is a sample of what you can do in Too Human.

http://xboxmovies.teamxbox....

[PimpHandHappy]

because anything 360 really doesnt matter anymore! The best game on any system is now owned by PS3

[LuHawk]

how about you pimp slap yourself real hard

[PimpHandHappy]

is for a game in devloment for ten years to then have them dump the unreal engine no longer then a year ago has forced them to make up there own engine. That alone would have me worried!

Its probaly a game that could use a extra 6-12 months to polish.

[ps360fella]

microsofts big exclusives not one has ever flopped, thats sony thing. Name one big MS exclusive that flopped.

[tojfs7931]

Racing game they did.. can't remember the name of it off hand Motorsport Challege or something to that effect. On the Original Xbox.

[thehitman]

FLOPPED, Lol no1 talks about how badly that thing did and was quickly thrown under the radar.

Edit: PGR4 Even got IGNs award for game no1 played rofl......

[chanto23]

1. Lost Odissey 7/10
2. Blue Dragon 6/10
3. That boxing game that just came out 4/10
4. Alone in the Dark (Time exclusive) 3/10
5. Ninja Gaiden 2 7/10

Actually the only 2 "BIG" exclusives that didn't flop where Halo 3 and Gears and we all know that Halo 3 was a "huge seller but floppy"

[ngg12345]

Are a few. Then Ninja Gaiden 2, and PDZ

[tojfs7931]

Have a low opinion of Microsoft anyway so I am going to take this article with a grain of salt.

[The Anti-Fanboy]

... you are just dismissing peoples opinion based on where they live? Give me a break. If anything Europe and Aus do not give the reach-around like American video game outlets like 1up.com, I find your comment ignorant and prejudice. That's like saying, JUST because you are American, you are a dumb, racist, spoiled, violent, twat... we all know that isn't true.

[PimpHandHappy]

hey its open zone ok

you need to bring some flame around these parts

[The Anti-Fanboy]

First off, Microsoft has already had a few "Haze" moments, such as Perfect Dark Zero.

Secondly, for those obviously in denial, 'Too Human' has been in production for almost a decade. If at this point Too Human isn't looking right, guess what- it NEVER will.

Lets say it is just 'good' or 'ok' then it still wouldn't justify the development time, cost, and hype surrounding it. 10 years should make a game near perfect and if Too Human isn't, then it's a loss for both Silicon Knights and Microsoft. The only saving grace would be that this game will be a killer app, not just a good game. This will never, even with another decade of work, will ever be a killer app.

I actually want this game to turn out well, but I am not going to lie to myself. Gears of War 2 is 360's exclusive killer app. Though that's not too big of a deal since most 360 owners look forward to 3rd party titles that usually have better features (not necessarly graphics but achivements etc). Sony just has a longer library of past games they can resurrect and with great 2nd party support. So either way... its a win/win.

[Morgue]

I'm sure it will be good but with everything that has transpired over the course of it's development we'll just have too wait and see. Besides. I still don't understand how gamers can sit back and judge games they haven't even played based on what other people say, especially comparing it too HAZE and LAIR. In the end the bad parts far out weighed the good in those games but each offered it's own experience and tried separate themselves from an already stagnant market. So until YOU HAVE PLAYED TOO HUMAN don't be so quick to jump on the bandwagon.

[DFresh]

I think Too Human looks good.
Still I haven't seen 1 game on the 360 that can pass Uncharted in Visuals and Physics yet.

[ROCCOZILLA]

after play the first couple of days of MGS4,the gaming world has change forever.it is the BEST game ive EVER played.and take it from me i play everything.xbox better come up with somthing way better than this to even come close to PS3 games.my taste in games will be much different after play MGS4.too human is just to plain by PS3 new standard.PLAY B3YOND!!

[RAM MAGNUMS]

entertaining story but was done better when it was called star trek deep 9.
gameplay was total crap!
the inventory clutter and leveling up was ridiculously stupid like the squad a.I.
you keep the same guns all game!
enemies? Yawn, so easy.
exploring rocks?!?
fun ? No!
luckily, in cutscenes they almost say what you want but don't so it saves the story from straying too far away from star trek!

[PSMonster21]

Really? Thats the one game that I actually want thats on the 360.

[Ali_The_Brit]

yep!

[dkgshiz]

I didn't even know anyone cared about this game! It just looks like a generic crap bowl of a game. I have a feeling its going to be worse than haze, maybe a vampire rain! Oh, well 360s suck, so who cares.

[pimpstation]

360 fans have had it on their list of "big" 2008 exclusives for a while, along with Ninja Gaiden 2, Fable 2, and GeOw2. NG2 flopped, Fable 2 looks like a legendary flop, and this game ain't lookin too good.

[Nevers]

REAL critiques for a fully released game after the reviewer has played more than a sample level, thanks anyway. Good or bad I'll wait to hear about the reception when people can play the whole game.

[Blademask]

Remember, its supposed to be as big as diablo. As if any of them ever played diablo. The visuals are 100% terrible, and the scale of the game isn't any bigger than mass effect or crackdown, yet the visuals are tragically worse.

Gameplay will be fine im sure. But if we all just wanted gameplay, we would have stuck to our PS2/XBOX if we didn't want any visual improvements.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

If it does become XBOX 360's Haze that would be a major disappointment it has been in nine years in development. It's one of three games that they're planning on releasing.

[BigKev45]

Yeah, it is. 10 years in the making.

[ngg12345]

The game looked like garbage since e3 05.

[bama]

I have a feeling it might. I hope it won't though.

[JayCat]

esh... stay out of gamerzone today if you want a rational discussion.

The title of this article is misleading. The previewers just bring up a few quirks, but there is nothing horrible in the article. Nothing that would make anyone think that the game is going to be a total flop. Is it going to be a Mass Effect? PROBABLY not. Is it going to be a POS? Again.. probably not. But let's wait for the real deal!

[AngryTypingGuy]

"But with PS3 owners smarter at the debacle which was Haze, could X360 fans have a similar embarrassment on the horizon with Too Human?" --

PS3 owners shouldn't be embarrassed that Haze flopped, nor should 360 owners be embarrassed if Too Human flops. The people who developed the game should be embarrassed, they're the ones who made them. All we have to do is choose whether to buy them or not.

[JayCat]

it's awfully fanboyish to say that the gamer somehow should feel shame at someone else's failure.

Should the developers feel bad should this flop? Nope. Never be afraid of failure. It's the best way to learn. Figure out where you went wrong, and grow.

again: I don't know if this will be a flop. What we have is 3 guys opinions on an unfinished product. They only played 2 hours. Let's see what the real game is like, play it through, then see.

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Honestly, I think they just want to move on and stop making this game. It's probably not what they originally wanted to do, but they're just tired of it now and want to put out the best game they possibly can as soon as they can. I respect them as developers, but I don't see this game going anywhere.

I'll wait for their next title.

[ScottEFresh]

F*ckin eh!

[zonetrooper5]

Don't know about you guys but I finished MGS4 on normal in 20 hours. Its not a long game per say but it was a damn fun game to play. Graphics wise, there were places which were just poor and other places which looked great and the gameplay is fun to play then you got the storyline; its a good storyline but nothing amazing imo.

Now back on topic, Haze was a medicore game overall, before and after the previews it lacked everything and was a failed shooter. I would only reccomend renting Haze or waiting until it goes to the bargin bine to pick it up.

As for Too Human, I think I will wait for the demo to come out, previews and reviews and see if its really tthat great. Personally its one of the 360 exclusive games which just don't interst me.

[Lord Vader]

lol @ previews & websites wanting hits.

I'll wait for the actual game & judge it myself.

Even most reviews nowadays are total crap anyway.

If I listened to reviews, I wouldn't have bought Mass Effect or Ninja Gaiden 2, and I would have thought GTA IV was the greatest game ever made = LOL.

[Sanhlami]

I have a feeling its gonna be like a 7.0 or something. Just my opinion from everything I've seen so far.

[Xi]

is that haze flopped even though anyone this day and age can make a decent FPS game.

Even a lobotomized child knows the basics of an fps game.
1. setting. Middle east, space, space ships, industry complex, jungle, eastern europe, ww2, modern city, waste-land.
2. enemies. zombies, nazis, aliens, terrorists
3. weapons. Pistol, sniper rifle, assault rifle, grenades.
4. story. Aliens VS humanity (halo/half life), war for profit(mgs), terroism(cod4, tom clancy), ww2.

that's why haze was such a laughing stock, because it failed at doing what basically, everyone else can do without a problem.

[Spydr07]

So, ridde me this then, why have EA, Midway, Ubisoft, and many others made horrid shooters? Army of Two, America's Army: True Soldiers, and Hour of Victory...these were obviously great games because they fall into that genre of gaming where basically everyone can do it. What about CoD3? Didn't that sell millions...? Wait, no, it didn't. Your comment is asinine and borders on blatant stupidity.

Check it out:

Ingredients to an action game:

Weapons to kill with
People to kill
Generic storyline

Gee, that's sounds easy. I bet anyone can do this. It's really lame to dumb something down to its most bare necessities and just say that basically everyone can do it.

Give yourself a pat on the back.

[cmrbe]

I am getting this game when i get my x360. I am sold on the concept/story alone. I never buy a game because of what people say anyways. Its just too good of a story to miss for me. Also early previwers say its like a Sci-fi God of War/Diablo. This Game and Alan Wake are two x360 games that i really really want to play oh and KI3.

This is classic Gameplayer. Straight to the point and very frank. They say it as they see it, its their opinion anyways. They are not a fanboy site like others and is why i like them.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Droids still crying over Haze, LOL

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

And I'm the one with three bubbles?

Seriously, people???

[steck67]

I think the game will do good, it may not get a meta score like GTA4 or MGS4, but I think that the game will do good, as long as MS doesnt overhype it.

[Reibooi]

I'm not gonna judge the game very much cause as many have stated it isn't in its final build and it would be unfair to do so. However what I will say is that everything they have shown for the game thus far looks lack luster and as far as game play goes it looks extremely repetitive. Recently they had a video of the game on X-play and it was literally the player gliding across the screen left and right hitting things once before flying in another direction and it went on for a decent bit before the video showed something different. If that is really how the game unfolds in the final build I will be greatly disappointed.

[SpikeSpiegel]

A game that recieved a rediciously low score not because it was a bad and unplayable game, but because of hype expectations and the history of its developers past games then yes.

[Figboy]

just ignore it and move on.

ultimately, it boils down to what YOU like. what YOU want to play. what YOU personally enjoy.

for example; i LOVE great titles like Ratchet and Clank, Unchared, and Metal Gear Solid 4.

HOWEVER, i also really enjoyed Lair, Haze, Folklore, and Heavenly Sword; PS3 titles that were nitpicked to death, or trashed in reviews.

when it comes to reviews, the only one that matters is MY OWN.

when it comes to purchasing games, the only thing i consider is whether or not the subject matter of the game is interesting to me (ie, dragons are cool to me), and whether or not i have the dough in my pocket to pick it up. if the game turns out to be a dud, "ah well, as least i got something I actually wanted, instead of something SOMEBODY else told me i should want."

more often than not, i get what enjoyment i can out of the game due to my interest in the subject matter (and i had a lot of fun with Lair and Haze for the week or so i spent playing, and beating them), then i'll either keep the game, or if funds are low, trade it in for the next one.

gamers nowadays are too wrapped up in other people's opinions to game for THEMSELVES. i mean, who are you trying to impress by being a conformist sheep?

whether or not Too Human turns out to be AAA or CCC, i'll be picking it up.

why?

because it looks cool (i like the setting and subject matter), and it's made by one of my favorite devs. end of story, really. i could care less if people hate it or love it.

[Funky Town_TX]

buy what you like. I read reviews and look at vids and choose for my self. I have made bad choices, but I never let reviews be the only reason to buy a game. I'm not a MGS fan so I will not buy it (I still respect the game) even though the reviews were great.

[wangdiddy82]

Just look how bad the videos and gameplay look. I thought haze was going to be good from some videos but look what happened to that game. And from watching the video of too human, i can tell this game is going to be bad.. Back to MGS4 peace..

[SmokingMonkey]

agree/disagree

i would rather play HAZE than WiiFit.
who got the better "scores"?

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

RE4 took 10 years to make. They went through Devil May Cry 1, 2, and 3 before RE4 was done.

Too Human has looked bad for a long time now...

...let's just forget it exists and have the 360 gamers walk off with some dignity.

[dkgshiz]

No one is excited for this. Except for some dedicated fanboys, that where so dedicated to be 360 fanboys they bought vampire rain and Perfect Dark zero! ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hh!!!! Please don't say perfect dark zero was a good game, it was terrible.

[KBDuB]

I'm looking forward to Too Human. It sounds interesting.

And, Perfect Dark Zero was a decent game. =/

But, agreed on Vampire Rain. =P

[mariusmal]

if it sucks. its gonna be a first for Silicon Knights. just remember mgs remake twin snakes, eternal darkness (best horror game ever) and the great legacy of kain.

[KingKirchner]

IMO, it's looking like this is going to suck, Banjo is going to be decent, and the rest of the 360's lineup is going to be pretty solid.

Of course, the rest of the 360's lineup mainly consists of Gears 2 and Fable 2. Plus at least 1, if not all of their RPG's are bound to be a hit, but most, if not all, are timed exclusive.

[KBDuB]

I don't understand why we have these articles. What have we seen about this game? Not much. It's to early to tell if the game will flop or not.

[Funky Town_TX]

I can't name one thing that looks cool about this game. I would not even rent this game. Another great purchase by M$.

[spike]

The game looked good, but not my type of game.

[Isaac]

It was in development 10 years like 2 years ago. It's just like when people say PS2 sold 100 million. Just because it did, it doesn't mean it says that way, it keeps growing. Too Human has been in development for 12 years or so, since it was shown in 1999 and it was already known it would span over 4 discs. However, Nintendo and Silicon Knights arrived to a partnership in which the game would be canned in favor of the Gamecube platform which never saw the game anyway. That is when MS took the job.

[JokesOnYou]

"Is Too Human the X360's Haze?"

ha ha, well of course sony loyalists sure hope so, lmfao

I mean its a fair question, but you could ask the same question about any *UNreleased game....there are only a few proven franchises that are generally considered a sure thing, and sometimes those don't reach their full potential and of course they will be hated on by the naysayers loyal to a different plastic box, regardless of how good they are.

Personally Too Humans graphics do nothing to blow me away, never did but I've always been interested in this game and many other 360 fans are as well, it seems SK went all out with this game trying to pack in so many ideas, (I hope it works) but the gameplay while not a match for Gears obviously still looks cool and mixed with the RPG elements I can't help but assume the game will have tons of replay value, so far the only real dissapoint for me was the exclusion of 4 player co-op, still how many games with so many elements even have a 2 player co-op,....so personally I can't see alot of 360 owners passing up on this game and even if it doesn't turn out to be the one of the highest rated 360 exclusives I'm confident it will do a whole lot better than Haze.

JOY

[devilhunterx]

Too Human = Too Crap? hmm

[Helblazer360]

we have more ps3 fans then xbox360

[xxBATTLECATxx]

i dont think itll be as low-scored as haze, but i can see it getting 7s and 8s along with banjo and maybe fable. i dont own a 360 and i dont invest a lot of time lookin up 360 games but from an uninformed persons point of view these games LOOk like theyre gonna average out into 7s/8s. Fable looks lie the most worthwhile though. still, these arent really games that make me wanna "jump in"

[ChrisGTR1]

wooahh wtf. dont even compare this game to fable 2. fable 1 was a AAA rpg that fell on the short side but other than that it was a very good game. however too human is unproven game so it might just flop.

[ScottEFresh]

Xbox sucks.

[HiddenLynx]

Silicon Knights are good, i think the game will be good just not ground braking.