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Leaving gay characters out of RPGs is “beyond” BioWare

J Station X writes

"According to the statistics, less than 1% of all games released in 2013 let us play as a gay (or LGBTQ) character and the crux of that is because although the majority of gamers are a fairly progressive lot and wouldn’t mind gay characters right in there with the rest of the heterosexual ones, plenty of publishers and developers are guilty of shying away from the subject in fear of the vocal, ignorant minority coming for them with pitchforks and torches aflame.

Developer BioWare are actually one of the few developers to embrace queer characters wholeheartedly, with all three Mass Effect games and both Dragon Age 1 and 2 allowing same-sex romances.

Dragon Age: Inquisition is set to include same-sex romance too and, BioWare say, they have plans to keep putting gay characters in their games in the future."

SaveFerris3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

So long as the characters and story are both good, and it isn't gratuitous, I have no problems with this practice whatsoever. It's great to see developers such as Bioware and Naughty Dog produce great games for everyone to enjoy.

Christopher3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

I have no problems with BioWare doing what they want to do in regards to creative decisions like this. I may not agree with them, but it's their game. These are decisions they have the right to make without hatred from the public.

vishmarx3966d ago

my only issue is that i see no decent romance options for straights in this game
just 3 female companions you can romance,one's gay(elf),one's scary(the vodoo mage girl) and the third one looks like (the army girl)she's gay but she doesnt know it yet or she'll make me her bitch if she is straight.
da 1 had lilleana and morrigan.
da 2 had merril and pirate girl.
i found all 4 reasonable but sadly none in this

Anthotis3966d ago

That's so progressive...

Conzul3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

There is no such thing as having a right to do something while forcing others to not feel the way they want to about it.
That's just silly.

You have the right to do what you want.
You don't have the right to dictate the feelings of others.

Christopher3966d ago

***You don't have the right to dictate the feelings of others.***

As it relates to this creative concept, I believe it does. Note I said "these are decisions" and not "every decision."

Conzul3966d ago

Nope, that's absurd.
Also, the distinction is irrelevant. All decisions may, upon scrutiny, form realizations; therefrom reactions; therefrom feelings. That any Feeling may be righteously abolished is absurd. One has no right to censor the inevitable.

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DevilOgreFish3966d ago

It doesn't bother me to have it in the story really. I thought it was funny to cross dress in FFVII. I just like though the whole idea of choice when i play their games.

Ogygian3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

There's a lot of misunderstanding surrounding this topic. Of course nobody should have a problem with homosexual characters being in the game. They're part of society (and always have been) and it's important to represent them.

However the only consistent, rational definition of "fairness" provided that is what we are seeking, is that homosexual characters are randomly distributed based on statistics (5% chance of any character being homosexual, as that is the IRL prevalance of homosexuality) or (in the very unique situation with Bioware and romances) that they are allocated development time proportionally (5% of characters are X, 5% of time on X romance).

If you don't agree with that mutually agreeable definition of fairness, you may as well declare that "fairness is when everyone in the world gives me all their money", as any other definition will be just as logically inconsistent. You cannot, as a decent, fair-minded human being, believe that over-representation is OK while under-representation is not.

So as long as the prevalence of homosexual characters is representative of the population and the allocation of developer time in the case of optional romances is proportional, I have no problem with Bioware. My fear is that they are pandering to a vocal minority and vastly over-representing what is actually a small minority of people (I mean there are more muslims than homosexuals in many Western countries).

Christopher3965d ago

@Conzul: I specified hatred, not feelings.

I think you completely misread what I've said to encompass it to say that no one should feel anything or something. I'm just not sure.

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Ezz20133966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

i don't like Gay people or Straight people
and i don't like Earth people too

amiga-man3966d ago

Somebody better explain to them it's 2014 already

DarkOcelet3966d ago

The problem in bioware is that they are making a huge deal out of it , as if they are saying hey guys look we have made a gay character , he is fully gay , bla bla bla . Ok we get it but you dont need to shove it down our throat , just announce it and move on .

Anon19743966d ago

Shove what down your throat?

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Benjammin253966d ago

@darkride666 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

mixelon3966d ago

I think it's more the media making a big deal out of it, as it's still such a novelty. They (rightly or not) ask a lot about it.
Once more developers are inclusive like this it won't be a big deal and everyone will stop talking about it. That's not likely to happen any time soon though..

In short i wouldn't blame Bioware for being progressive, the attention comes with the territory though.

EvilWay3966d ago

As long as they aren't in sex scenes I am okay with it

Reddzfoxx3966d ago

So you are okay if there are gay sex scenes in a game as long as your character isn't participating?

I am assuming you just like to watch?

Toiletsteak3966d ago

Watching isn't gay it is the taking part lol.

Salooh3966d ago (Edited 3966d ago )

O.o . Are you serious Toiletsteak ?..

EvilWay3966d ago

How did you get that assumption from what I said?

I said I don't want gay scenes at all

TheTowelBoy3966d ago

Who cares if they are? Dont play a gay character and dont have sex with them.

Benjammin253966d ago

It's hard though. They 're so pretty.

NicSage3966d ago

@Benjammin25 yeah it's hard...

Toiletsteak3966d ago

Why does it matter if they are gay or not it really doesn't matter, it's the way they go about it that is annoying like they are trying to prove something.

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Inside the ‘Dragon Age’ Debacle That Gutted EA’s BioWare Studio

The latest game in BioWare’s fantasy role-playing series went through ten years of development turmoil

In early November, on the eve of the crucial holiday shopping season, staffers at the video-game studio BioWare were feeling optimistic. After an excruciating development cycle, they had finally released their latest game, Dragon Age: The Veilguard, and the early reception was largely positive. The role-playing game was topping sales charts on Steam, and solid, if not spectacular, reviews were rolling in.

HyperMoused11d ago

Its easy they called the die hard fans people in their nerd caves who will buy anything and then went woke to reach modern audiences....insulting the nerds in their caves along the way showing utter contempt for their fan base. very hapy it failed and any company who insults their fan base and treat their customers with contempt and insults, in future, i also hope fail.

neutralgamer199211d ago

It’s disappointing but not surprising to see what's happening with Dragon Age: The Veilguard and the broader situation at BioWare. The layoffs are tragic — no one wants to see talented developers lose their jobs. But when studios repeatedly create games that alienate their own fanbase, outcomes like this become unfortunately predictable.

There’s a pattern we’re seeing far too often: beloved franchises are revived, only to be reshaped into something almost unrecognizable. Changes are made that no one asked for, often at the expense of what originally made these games special. Then, when long-time fans express concern or lose interest, they’re told, “This game might not be for you.” But when those same fans heed that advice and don’t buy the game, suddenly they're labeled as toxic, sexist, bigoted, or worse.

Let’s be clear: the overwhelming majority of gamers have no issue with diversity, LGBTQ+ representation, or strong female leads. In fact, some of the most iconic characters in gaming — like Aloy, Ellie, or FemShep — are proof that inclusivity and excellent storytelling can and do go hand in hand. The issue arises when diversity feels performative, forced, or disconnected from the narrative — when characters or themes are inserted not to serve the story, but to satisfy a corporate DEI checklist. Audiences can tell the difference.

When studios chase approval from a vocal minority that often doesn’t even buy games — while simultaneously dismissing loyal fans who actually do — they risk not just the success of individual titles, but the health of their entire studio. Telling your core customers “don’t buy it if you don’t like it” is not a viable business strategy. Because guess what? Many of us won’t. And when the game fails commercially, blaming those very fans for not supporting it is both unfair and self-defeating.

Gamers aren’t asking for less diversity or less progress. We’re asking for better writing, thoughtful character development, and a respect for the franchises we’ve supported for decades. When you give people great games that speak to them — whether they’re old fans or new players — they will show up. But if you keep making games for people who don’t play them, don’t be surprised when those who do stop showing up

Armaggedon11d ago

I thought the writing and character development were fine. Sometimes things just dont resonate with people.

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BioWare Co-Founder’s Dream: Transforming EA from Within Through SWTOR Success

BioWare co-founder Greg Zeschuk reveals his unrealized dream of transforming EA from within, with hopes pinned on SWTOR’s success.

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LordoftheCritics120d ago (Edited 120d ago )

for us gamers

Dragon Age 4: A Dream Unrealized

SWTOR was a great game on a bad engine.

JunonZanon119d ago

Agreed, SWTOR still has some of the best dialogue from any Star Wars work. I think we all miss this old Bioware the most.

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Mark Darrah: stop harassing devs because you don't know what caused "the thing that you're mad at"

Former BioWare executive Mark Darrah says "be a human being, have some empathy."
Fans don't know who is actually to blame.
Darrah throws up a hypothetical that someone might not like how an actor delivered a line. Sure, it could well be down to the actor, but it also might be down to who was directing them, how the writer asked their work to be delivered, or maybe that was the only take they got.

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-Foxtrot124d ago

This line from the video though

"Maybe the CEO of the entire company really wanted his nephew to be hired as a script consultant and this guy with literally zero experience was coming in and pushing for mandatory changes"

Like others have said that seems far too specific to just be an example...

Eonjay124d ago

Exactly. And the crazy part about this is that the people there just doing their job and trying to make a living are the one's getting hurt and losing their jobs. I am also not a fan of targeting specific individuals. Its poor form. These are video games.

RiseNShine124d ago

If only there was a single problem with this game, it was a train wreck waiting to crash and burn.

thorstein123d ago (Edited 123d ago )

As usual, common sense falls on deaf ears. I mean, he thinks this article is about Dragon Age Veilguard. He rejects logic and evidence.

What possible logic or evidence can you provide to convince him otherwise.

Notellin123d ago

The community has spoken and would like for you to stop instead.

Armaggedon122d ago (Edited 122d ago )

@Thorstein

Cant expect people to see reason now a days.

@Notellin
Sure. Go ahead and bury yourselves beneath your own ignorance.

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thorstein123d ago

This article isn't about that game.

Gamingsince1981123d ago

Veilguard was complete trash though anyway.

Notellin123d ago

Then don't use it for the thumbnail. It's misleading on purpose to draw this reaction.

thorstein123d ago

Or...I don't know... read the article.

staticall124d ago

Personally, i think we should always blame and criticize the management (especially top management; like with EA - every screw up should be blamed on Andrew Wilson and his goons). They're the ones with the power, the ones who have the last say in the matter - whatever is the plot details, gameplay, microtransactions, budget and «It's ok that it's buggy and crashes constantly, release the game ASAP, we'll fix it later».

Harrasement is not ok in my book, although, nowadays, many people paint every type of criticism (whatever warranted or not) as harrasement. Which is a very narrowminded and waters down actual harrasement problems. But, i guess, it makes it easier to ignore everything bad you see aimed towards yourself.

I would also like to add, that this topic is a double-edged sword, some developers are being mean to their customers, calling them names or any sort of -isms, that happens. In that case, don't be surprised, that, when you're «firing shots», customers are «shooting back» at you.

SimpleDad124d ago

We do want better games, and we get them by criticizing bad ones.

Eonjay124d ago

No you don't. Everything is criticized by somebody these days. By that logic everything is bad. Thats just more fuel for the echo chamber. The way you get games you want is by supporting the types of games you want by buying them. You want more games like Astrobot? Buy Astrobot. Recommend it to others. Its not about bashing what you don't like. its about supporting what you do like. Money talks.

SimpleDad124d ago

Absolutely, I buy my games cause subscriptions are also part of the problem. I don't criticize myself personally, but by observing criticism by others, I avoid purchasing games with problems.

TheColbertinator124d ago

No we don't. FIFA and Madden get criticized every year and the games get worse and more overpriced.

Christopher124d ago

Lack of profit is the only way to do it, but people are fine buying shit games every day, just not the shit games we talk about regularly here. We distract ourselves with this stupid 'social mirage' issue and the corporations get to keep doing less and less but selling it for more and more.

Armaggedon123d ago

“Better game” with big air quotes. What you like more, makes more sense.

Gamingsince1981123d ago

Says the only guy in the world that likes vanguard, I bet you like avowed aswell huh

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leahcim124d ago

Empathy has no value when it comes to killing a franchise loved by thousands.

Eonjay124d ago

Empathy always has value when dealing with other human beings. This includes empathy towards the fans who feel scorned and the devs who worked their asses off.

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