Xbox One: 1080p/60fps Not Happening Anytime Soon, Not Enough Power But Tools Will Improve - Insider

"After all the leaks and rumours regarding Xbox One exclusives like Halo 5 and Halo 2 Anniversary, Industry Insider Dodd said that we won't be seeing games running at 60 FPS and 1080p resolution any time soon."

[PSN-JeRzYzFyNeSt]

and the smiles turn to Frowns

[ShugaCane]

Why did you smile in the first place ?

[Fireseed]

@unrivaled

Idk I still see

Halo 2 AE
Crackdown 3
KI Season 2
Halo 5
Sunset Overdrive
etc

Still smiles over here...

[XtraTrstrL]

@Fireseed

lol @ Halo 2 AE, come on, stop living in the past.

KI Season 2 - even sounds stupid. The game doesn't even resemble a KI imo, it just has a whole different feel to it.

Sunset Overdrive needs to show more before its anything to go crazy over.

[MightyNoX]

@Fireseed:

Wasn't mostly Microsoft using a smoke'n'dagger techinique to lure out CBOAT? I went to sleep last night about the time the leaks came on and now I'm up and hell seems to have broken loose.

Looks like I have a lot of catching up to do.

[Hatsune-Miku]

1080p @ 60fps is hard for xbox one because Microsoft focused more on making a set top box that's kinect capable limiting the budget to get a more powerful hardware. The xbox one main focuses first are kinect then it's tv function then being able to play video games.

Sony could have focused on ps eye, ps move and a lot of other things for ps4 but they focused on gaming first so they made a very powerful console that mainly focuses on gaming.

[mcstorm]

@Fireseed I agree with you. Ok if so the games may not be 1080p 60fps but that is not what makes a game and never has yes games will look better but its not the looks that makes the game good its the gameplay and story plus some of the best looking games are not 1080p 60fps. Example Mario Galaxy.

If the game makes me feel happy when playing it that's what I get it for. I have never bought a game because its the best looking game ever. I always get a game because its what I want in a game and that will not change this gen too.

I own a WiiU and Xbox one at the moment as they offer the games I want and once some of the games I want on the PS4 come out I will also get a PS4 too. I own a 3DS too and did own a PSV but the PSV did not offer me the games I wanted so I got read of it and if the games come out for it I will pick one up.

People should not be buying a console because it has the most power they should be buying a console because it offers them the games they want it.

If the PS4 is the console that offers that then get the ps4 if its the xbox one get the xbox one if its the Wiiu get the Wiiu. We all got into gaming for the same reason because we enjoy it so stop with the bitching and go and enjoy your console and games you like and let others do the same.

[malokevi]

I'm not smiling. Since when did people start regarding every rumour out of NEOgaf as fact? I wont hold my breath.

Seems like Xbox One already has games that do 1080p/60fps. Do articles like these play on the hopes of fools?

[zebramocha]

@mcstorm You are looking at it in the wrong way,Sony had efficiency problems with the ps3 and corrected it with their next gen console,Ms was coming off the success of the 360,even if power wasn't the selling point but inclusion of kinect with an highly integrated OS,I assuming it wouldn't be difficult prioritize both casual and core aspect about gaming but their choice was to make the xbone a casual device that could do gaming instead of a gaming device with casual aspects.

[thejigisup]

@mcstorm

"People should not be buying a console because it has the most power they should be buying a console because it offers them the games they want it. "

Hardware before software. If you build it they will come. The hardware in the ps4 allows more freedom and more room to play for the developers. Games down the road are going to be more intense, have a much more fleshed out feeling, hopefully developers take pride in their work and want to put the best product out there. In order to do that you need the best hardware. kinda like a chef, he needs the best cutlery, the best ingredients, to make the best dish. thats why naughty dog rocks so many socks.
the games i want will be on the ps4.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

Forza is 1080p/60fps so there goes that...

[redwin]

I got them both and I'm glad I got the Xbox One. It feels good to play on it and it got lots of good games. Sony has good games too but if all you have to talk about is this 1080/60 thing while some other people are playing Ghost before you, and they are enjoying TitanFall and Halo 2, 10 year anniversary, you got a problem. I like my ps4 but they got to stop talking about this and stop selling me another service on top of my playstation Plus, just to play games I already own from them' (playstation now). You can disagree with me but MS is not the one that came out first trying to sell you a different online service on top of the one that you already have. Thank you, Sony , for the superior gfx and thank you for a better online service, now don't get greedy. Now I wish that those games that they let you rent on playstation plus, that's what they are because you don't get to keep them if you leave the service, they let you have them if you let your service lapse. Although I'm not planning to leave the service, ever .

[mewhy32]

Finally an article author that isn't afraid to state what we've all know sine these machines released onto the market. PS4 regularly runs it's software at 1080p 60fps but the bone usually tops out at 900p and accomplishes that with lower quality texutres, pared back effects, and variable resolution framebuffers. Games still look great on the bone but not so much when compared side by side with the PS4.

[Fireseed]

@XtraTrstrL

Living in the past? Isn't you who keeps nagging for a HD Secret of Mana? Hypocrite. But it's ok if you don't like KI... but don't boldface lie there when we all know KI feels EXACTLY like a KI game, from combo flow, to aesthetics.

@mcstorm

Couldn't agree more! Sure 720p isn't "Full HD" but honestly I don't give a crap. As long as the games are fun. I mean maybe it's just cause I come from a PC background where at one point I used to have to play almost all my game at 800x600 at lowest settings... but now I have a rig that can play Crysis 3 at 4k and dip no lower than 50 fps. I've lived without graphics for the longest time and that allowed the design and game play to float to the top.

[Deividas]

@ WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

Gran Tursimo 6 is also 1080p/60fps and thats on a PS3. Racing games can easily be 1080p and 60FPS because its a small scale level to level and dont have much to render besides the car and track. IF you honestly measuring the Xbox Ones power based on how a racing sim looks....your in for a hell of surprise when games keep getting more visually demanding....

[VENOMACR1227]

I'll enjoy my 720 while playing Titanfall, Halo, Gears, Fable, Quantum Break, and any other X1 exclusive. I bought the system I think has the best games. Doesnt matter if the PS4 can play everything in 1080 and 60 fps if they don't have the games to back it up.

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

I should have stated that Forza is FULL 1080p HD locked 60fps, because GT6 is not.

[nukeitall]

1080p native wit 60fps proven on Xbox One with Forza 5. Keep in mind DriveClub for PS4 when announced ran at 30fps and aimuing for 60fps.

With more time, better results on either console.

[MysticStrummer]

"Seems like Xbox One already has games that do 1080p/60fps. Do articles like these play on the hopes of fools?"

It's easy to say "XB1 does 1080p/60fps" and leave it at that without considering the competition or what kind of game is being run. It's not so easy to say "XB1 will do 1080p/60fps on any game the competition will" because we all know it's not true and it will continue to be not true. Tools will improve but the tech won't, and the competition's tools will also improve.

Headlines play on the emotions of fanboys, but the point is valid nonetheless. XB1 is simply weaker and that won't change.

[H0RSE]

@thejigisup

"Hardware before software. If you build it they will come."

- funny how how the Wii outsold both PS3 and 360...

That being said, the differences between multiplats thus far, are negligible. Watching comparison vids, there is no definitive winner - the consoles trade blows with one another. If the PS4 had as big of a power difference over the X1 as many claim, then it wouldn't even be debatable which version looks/runs better, but that hasn't been the case.

I have yet to see a case where PS4 looks so much better than X1 that it's embarrassing, which many seem to imply is actually going on, which their "superior hardware" talk.

[MetaReapre]

Coming to terms with things, the xb1 isn't all that bad for not being able to make all games 1080p, it's not technically needed as long as its not standard definition. However, 60fps is amazing for smooth gameplay and actually is amazing to have. I mean i just upgraded my ps3 tomb raider to ps4 version (via eb games)and that 60fps does make a difference.

[Thatlalala]

One leak and xbox fans are cocky? Lol. Flipping hilarious, you realize you are hilarious.... Like ANY of those games matter. Sorry but this is a joke right?

[Utalkin2me]

@WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

And did you see all the sacrifices Forza 5 had to make to achieve it? Racing games are the lowest on demand then fps,tps and such.

[dantesparda]

@Horse

Seriously? You're gonna spew that sh1t? Let's see:

COD has a 125% resolution advantage.

BF4 has a 56% resolution advantage and has a better framerate average than the X1.

AC4 has 44% res advantage and better AA.

TRDE has a 66% advantage in framerate (50 average vs 30) and a 44% res advantage in cut-scenes. plus better anisotropic filtering and better textures in places and more use of DOF

But not of those are big enough for ya eh? Those are huge gains over the X1. And only dumb fanboys would say otherwise. The X1 can barely do 900/30fps in their own exclusives

[WrAiTh Sp3cTr3]

"And did you see all the sacrifices Forza 5 had to make to achieve it? Racing games are the lowest on demand then fps,tps and such."

Who tells you people this type of stuff? All of a sudden you Sony fans are all devs? If you were to tell me this concerning a 2D fighting game, I'd be more likely conviced of you and other's comments. As a matter of fact, bring back a link stating that racing games are any less demanding than shooters, from an actual dev and I'll agree with you, until then, don't waste you're time spinning and twisting scenarios to your favor. It's funny because you guys hype up iphone type games that some happy go lucky indie dev is making exclusive to the PS4--all because it's "1080p/60fps"....... it's SOOOOO lame, lol.

Another point I would like to make is concerning YOUR points on Forza having to cut back on stuff and my point of GT6 not being full hd nor 60fps. If racing games are less demanding than other genres, then why the cuts? Your entire argument along with other sony fans on this article is completely contradictory if you and everyone else pays attention to it....

[Prime157]

@horse "@thejigisup

"Hardware before software. If you build it they will come."

- funny how how the Wii outsold both PS3 and 360... "

That has too many other variables to be offered as a counter-point. The biggest is that the wii's highest output signal was still sub-hd. Next is the way Nintendo does business.

@mcstorm

I love the self righteous people like you on n4g.

[ZombieKiller]

Sorry Fireseed but seasons belong to TV shows. Adding a season 2 is a way for them to charge you more money....
even if it is Killer Instinct. Which honestly, looks awesome. I just can't justify getting one because of it being on the xbox. Microsoft loves to rip people off.

Sorry but you are a dollar sign to them, not a gamer.

[H0RSE]

@dantesparda

You can spout percentages all day, like many do, but unless you can explain what those percentages actually equate to in real world benefits, they mean little. Spouting off bold claims such as "125% resolution advantage" looks impressive, but what does it actually entail, because looking at simple comparison vids, the game does not look 125% clearer than the X1 version... You are not accounting for diminishing returns, and the fact that the human eye can only see so much. Many like to post these percentages, without actually knowing what exactly they mean - they are simply feeding off the "wow factor" those "big numbers" bring with them, to feed their ego and fuel their arguments.

You also need to account for the fact that lower res games can look better than higher res ones. Ex - A 1080p game with low res textures, vs a 720p game with high res textures.

[ambientFLIER]

Wraith -

I agree with you 100%. Sony fanboys love to bullshit about how easy racing games are on systems, yet that's a lie. If they were so easy, GT6 would be in 1920x1080 instead of 1440x1080 and a locked 60fps and wouldn't have to drop down to 30fps when a bunch of cars are on the screen, and Forza would use fully animated 3d crowds and weather and real-time lighting and all that. All these armchair developers are borderline trolls that think they have a clue about what they're saying.

Real gamers own all the systems instead of acting like the PR manager for one particular company and embarrassing themselves on the forums on a daily basis.

[kopicha]

@mcstorm,

by your logic, then in the first place, they dont even need to release a new console. And no one needs the upgrade. Just continue to use the same console and keep pushing out new games will do. That way is good for them too, established install base, familiar hardware, cheap, and need not waste money on R&D for new hardware, just spend those money for game developement will do. Why make new consoles? Stop making it looks like graphics really dont mean anything to a game. Game play are important, so are the graphics. Anyone saying otherwise is just a liar. Majority will like to play TitanFall on PC/XB1 over 360. If someone say otherwise is just a liar. Same to people would want to play BF4 on PC/XB1/PS4 over PS3/360 if they can. Especially if you are already on the next gen consoles, would it even make sense to play game with graphics quality from last gen? You are going to tell me it is okay if the game is good? While I can tell you those who said it is okay are also the same person on the internet complaining that the game graphics could have been better.

[kopicha]

@dantesparda

what's new, during last gen, when there is a small minor differences in 360 version of the game where they have slightly better in something. They call PS3 version of the game being INFERIOR version because PS3 is a inferior console. Despite the different is so small that you unlikely even going to notice when you playing the game unless you are staring at still screen shots side by side to pin point the fault. With this gen the difference at times can go over 10x the difference when compare to how different they are during last gen. Now they say that there is no difference at all. They dont matter and they still have the "Better" version. This is nothing new. Just have to get used to it.

[BlackTar187]

Kop,

That is the best part. Last gen Xbox people touted a shadow from a light pole and said SUPERIOR we are so SUPERIOR. Grass is greener SUPERIOR. How many comparison websites popped up last gen(this is the kicker and the funniest part) Look no further then Ghostbusters for the most extreme smear campaign on a game by the 360 camp and all the 360 camp websites.

Everyone proclaimed how superior Multi plat games were and for some min you above 80% of them the difference was impossible to see running in real time and would take a trained eye to see them in stills.

Now the tables turned and xbox players are saying nope don't matter (what ps3 players said) the difference is PS3 at least see this problem removed and for the better so they fire back the same response. Xbox sees it flip side but not equally and the difference is bigger then Ps3 to 360 and now its all about game play and Inferior now is just a word that doesn't carry weight.

You have to laugh at people saying it doesn't matter then running a search on N4g and NeoGaf of all the multi pla websites xbox superior post and the amount of 360 fans commenting and writing new articles on their sites.

Its amazing.

[loulou]

you can always count on the GAF "insiders" for some negative xbox stuff.

although, i am sure microsoft wished they had fucked Mattrick off before he got his xb1!!

the ps4 trumps that it in every metric, and is 100 cheaper.

microsoft fucked up royally, and have put themselves right back to where they were in 2001

[clouds5]

"Forza is 1080p/60fps so there goes that..."

@WrAiTh Sp3cTr3:

WHAT!? You didn't praise the PS4 in your comment on N4G? We will all disagree with you even though you speak the truth and are just stating a fact. There goes that...

[Bob Dole]

@red
"You can disagree with me but MS is not the one that came out first trying to sell you a different online service on top of the one that you already have."

uhm.... wat?

[DeathOfTheFanBoy]

But Forza is 1080p 60fps... I'm not sure what his point is.

[iceman1346]

it's a racing game my man...plus forza 5 had some of the massive downgrade i have ever seen in a game..so yeah it would be impossible to do it without a downgrade

[Az1mov]

Forza graphics have been downgraded since the E3 demo. go check it out and compare. that's your reason why it's running at 60fps 1080p

one example http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Letthewookiewin]

There are huge graphical cutbacks.

[cyhm3112]

paper people say hi

[ZeoN]

it says 1080p but when im playing it resembles last gen so much. i dont think Forza is a true 1080p game because it dont look it from every aspect of it

[Akuma07]

Racing games are nowhere near as graphic intensive as other genres. Like not even remotely close.

[Cuzzo63]

As the guys stated its all true but dont take our word for it, go do your own investigation.

[JOEgolferG]

Its only just ahead of GT6 graphically since its release.

[reaperofsouls]

i imagine that titanfail will notbe anywhere near the E3 demo in terms of graphical fidelity after viewing Az1mov borza 5 link on youtube

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

There are not huge graphical diffrences between the E3 and Retail versions!? Turn 10 stated Most People off track were 2d vs 3d and particle effects were cut back, if you all want to call those "Huge" differences then go ahead lol

[MysticStrummer]

Forza looks like an upscaled last gen game. The cars look nice, but overall it doesn't look truly next gen. Now we have the whole Tomb Raider debacle, a game that is one step above a simple upscale from last gen, and XB1 got the low end of performance there. Then we have the other multi plats that don't perform as well on XB1. I'd say his point is clear. It's easy to say XB1 can do 1080p and just leave it at that. It's not so easy to say XB1 will do 1080p on any game it's competition will. We've already seen that it can't. Tool will improve but the tech won't, and the competition's tools will improve also.

[tagan8tr]

I can't wait to see the xbox 360/XB1 comparison of Titanfall I bet they look almost identical lol...

[cell989]

dude that game is riding (no pun intended) on last gen graphic techniques

[ambientFLIER]

"Racing games are nowhere near as graphic intensive as other genres. Like not even remotely close."

BullFUCKINGshit

You guys are so clueless it's sad. 16 high-poly cars on the screen, real time reflections, massive physics calculation multiple times a second, AI, etc etc.

If racing games are not graphic-intensive, then why can't GT6 run in 1920x1080, and why does it go down to 30fps with a bunch of cars on screen? Why would Forza use cutout crowds, I mean if it's not graphics intensive, then they wouldn't have to downgrade anything, right? You guys contradict yourselves...

[H0RSE]

@Az1mov

"Forza graphics have been downgraded since the E3 demo. go check it out and compare. that's your reason why it's running at 60fps 1080p"

- But it still runs at native 1080p/60fps, so his point is still valid... what you are saying just helps to illustrate what I said above:

"lower res games can look better than higher res ones. Ex - A 1080p game with low res textures, vs a 720p game with high res textures."

- if the dropped Forza to 720p, yet boosted the res of the textures, it could have looked better than it does now. 1080p is not always the pinnacle achievement to aim for.

[Az1mov]

Microsoft would sell their grandmas if they could.

“Cloud won’t help with rendering. Not for half a decade at minimum. As for 1080p/60fps – not anytime soon but tools will improve.”

[otherZinc]

Forza 5: Is the ONLY next gen game thet runs 1080p "native" 60fps in BOTH online & offline modes, Piriod!

When you're talking 1080p@ 60fps on PS4 in BOTH modes, it's a port of a Last Gen game.

If I'm wrong, what PS4 games run 1080p @ 60fps?

[theRell]

Don't forget Resogun.

[johndoe11211]

What part of huge graphical downgrade don't you get? Resogun does but you'll say "resogun doesn't count because its a side shooter indie game". If that is what you're thinking then the same principle can be applied to forza.

They had to make major graphical cut backs on forza to achieve 1080p 60fps. Cardboard cutouts, baked lighting the retail build was vastly different than the E3 demo.

If drive club comes out and has the same graphical downgrade as forza then your case will be valid but if it doesn't that is a testimony to the immensely weak hardware of the xbox one.

Also, there were third party multiplat games that were 1080p 60fps I believe(someone can correct me if i'm wrong on that) but again, they were not graphically intensive games.

[GTgamer]

Deep Down :D

[n4rc]

Resogun.. Cmon... Its a 30 yr old arcade game with a paint job.. If were going to talk about how racing games dont really count then that sure as hell doesn't either

[Master-H]

CoD Ghosts, Tomb Raider, Trine 2,FIFA Soccer 14,NBA 2K14 ? Lul

[UnHoly_One]

Resogun, lmao.

[Christopher]

DCUO is 1080p and 60 fps on PS4.

http://ps4daily.com/2013/11...

And, it's open world and an MMO. While it may not be graphically on par to latest releases, it has a heck of a lot more going on at all times than a racing game and is an action game that relies on response and working with groups of people online in an environment with a ton of particle/lighting effects.

Just saying.

[johndoe11211]

@narc

That comment about a 30 year old game with a paint job is the most idiotic nonsensical sorry excuse for an argument I have ever seen. The same can be said for the first tomb raider and the current one or metal gear on the NES and the one being developed now.

How old a game is and where it started has absolutely NOTHING to do with the current design of modern games. And if you want to use that logic I can say the same for forza motorsport on the original xbox and forza 5. Of course xbone can run forza 5 at 1080p 60fps, it's an old xbox game with a paint job. But i'm sure your senseless logic will somehow not apply to forza right?

And for everyone who thinks that resogun is just a simple side scrolling arcade game:

Housemarque-"Each level is build by almost 200.000.000 voxels, the little cubes you see flying around in the screenshots. Each of them has independent lighting and responds realistically to physics… that means you can dismantle a level almost cube by cube. That kind of approach requires a PS4 if you want to run the game at 1080p and 60fps."

[GUTZnPAPERCUTZ]

@The Rell, Resogun is hardly pushing any graphic benchmarks lol

[larrysdirtydrawss]

that's because the graphics on forza look like horse balls,and made/took a million shortcuts.... ms took that same game of tomb raider and made it average just under 30fps average,while sony made it 51fps avg and looks better

[cyber_daemonx]

@n4rc, '30 old arcade game with a paint job' which just happened to get a higher critical score than every bone launch title lol. And it runs at 1080/60, the bone would probably struggle to get it to 720/15.

[scott182]

lol, resogun is doing a ton more on screen than forza, no comparison. I love how people downplay it and it's miles ahead of forza technically. Plus they almost got that beast of a game killzone sf to a constant 60 fps in 1080p on and offline, that's MUCHH more impressive.

Multiplats are the only true way to compare systems with similar hardware, ps4 comes out way ahead every time... make excuses all day for that.

[cbuc1125]

welp...looks like @theRell just shut you up.

[dantesparda]

Wow, each new MS fanboys get more delusional than the last (im talking about you otherzinc)

@UnHoly_One

Forza 5, lmao

@cgoodno

DCUO is not 60fps, its not even a smooth 30fps on the PS4

@Gutz

"Resogun is hardly pushing any graphic benchmarks", neither is Forza 5

[DigitalRaptor]

@ otherZinc

You just got owned by johndoe11211. Are those sacrifices, downgrades and last-gen techniques worth the 1080/60fps "boast" on a next-gen machine, especially when it comes with lackluster content to boot?

When Forza 5 pushes the boundaries of what it means to be a next-generation racing game AND outputs at native 1080p and runs at 60fps, give me a shout.

@ n4rc

You clearly don't even know what Resogun is doing with the hardware, so I suggest you either read up on it on Eurogamer, or play it yourself. johndoes11211 also owned your ass in that regard.
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I'm sick of these bottom of the barrel, redundant arguments from Xbox fanboys who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and consistently miss the point.

[n4rc]

Lmao... I love how you boys love twisting what people say to make your point.

Everyone of you is all on here claiming its easy for a racer to hit 1080/60 yet want to say a side scroller with pretty light on little cubes is exempt from your own logic..

But you want to pretend I made that assumption? Whatever makes you feel better.. Youre an insecure bunch.. Lol

I never said it was a bad game.. I said if racers are too easy to be considered a real test then resogun fits that bill too.. But I don't agree with that anyways.. Both games are deserving of what they accomplish

[BallsEye]

Funny how forza and even NFS is 1080p 60 fps..makes this article pointless.

[Master-H]

Sorry to burst your bubble buddy, but NFS is 30 fps.

[UnHoly_One]

Yeah it's 30 on ps4, too, so what does that say?

[dp277407]

yea and wasnt it on PC too, so whats your point? If i'm wrong though then i'm sorry and dont count mods.

[BallsEye]

If yes then did a mistake but forza is 1080p/60 so still makes this article pointless. You disagree forza is 1080/60 ?

[BOLO]

@UnHoly_One

"Yeah it's 30 on ps4, too, so what does that say?"
...Xbone holding PS4 back confirmed?

[Nekroo91]

forza runs at 60fps, because it was built for the 360. it looks and feels a last gen game.

Those static backgrounds, no day and night cycle, missing dynamic lightning confirms everything

[MysticStrummer]

Funny how many people replied to the headline and ignored the overall point. XB1 will simply be behind all generation on the performance front. What difference that will make in sales remains to be seen. Personally I think MS's strategy of hiding more features behind a paywall will hurt them more than XB1's weaker tech.

[dantesparda]

@ unholy one

Wow talk about insecure. All Master H did was correct Balleyes, and yet jumped to that conclusion? Where is your head at? And Ballseye and unholy one show something. They show that the MS fanboys comprehension skills are not as good as the Sony fanboys

[NeloAnjelo]

Forza got to 1080 by using 2D crowds and sacrificing lighting.

Driving games don't push the hardware. GT6 is 1080, at 60fps on last gen!

Anyways the esRam is what's causing the issue for the XBONE. A hardware limitation cannot be easily fixed via tools and system firmware.

The sacrifice for Kinect and the bloated OS is not worth it. Add in the $100 extra price tag, with services locked behind XBL and the XBONE just ain't worth it.

[Mystogan]

But... What about all the games that are 1080p at 60fps on X1. Lets just forget about them right?

[MysticStrummer]

…and another person replies to the headline, while ignoring the overall point.

Ahhh, N4G...

[NeloAnjelo]

Name a few then... Except Forza, none do.
The only game on PS4 not at 1080 is BF4. This still exceeds the XBONE's 720p

OMG... XBONE = the Xbox 720... For 720p! It's fits! Just realised that!

[UnHoly_One]

I think you guys are far more worried about this than we are.

Keep giving me good games, I couldn't give two craps if they are 1080p. I wouldn't know the difference anyway, barring the 20 articles telling me what resolution it is.

If the new Gears of War isn't 1080, what are they going to compare it to in order to show me how terrible it looks? The answer to that is nothing, because there won't be a Gears game on any other console.

THAT is what I care about.

[Hercules189]

But if you stand 1 ft in front of your 70 inch tv you can notice some jaggies if its not 1080p.

[Hicken]

What do PlayStation fans have to be worried about? We're getting the best graphics (on console) and arguably the best stable of first party developers. We're getting everything, and you're getting...?

You not knowing the difference is fine for you. Unfortunately, Microsoft can't rely on just you to sell all their games and hardware. So they need to convince the people like you who don't know any better as well as the people who DO know better. So far, they only seem to have the former group.

They'll compare Gears to Gears on 360. They'll compare it to any other TPS, too. Forza 5 got compared to Gran Turismo. And Need for Speed. Console is irrelevant, in that respect, as people compare completely unrelated games for no other reason than to compare them. Your decision to remain ignorant on the details or differences won't change any of that.

You've got a total of three comments on this article alone, downplaying the importance of resolution/framerate differences- and we both know this isn't the only such article you've been in- so it's hypocritical to say you don't care.

I can't see how you got a Well Said for this comment.

[ambientFLIER]

unholy one -

Exactly. The only people worrying about and bashing the xbox are the ones that don't have and don't want one. It's hilarious. It's like the sony fans have to validate their allegiance on a daily basis by putting down the competition with regurgitated puns and slogans, instead of just being happy and playing killzone or knack or whatever.

[webeblazing]

Funny because resolution and frame rate didn't matter last year . Its a leap from last gen but a lot of fanboys have a need to bash xbone owners because of they choice to like a different console. This is why people who isn't a PS fanboy say PS fanboys are the worst. Everyone know that it cost more because of the cam and stuff

[kenshiro100]

Funny how graphics meant something to you guys with the PS3/XB360 multiplat comparisons and now they don't matter.

HHilarious.

[UnHoly_One]

Hicken, I got a Well Said because the few non Sony people on this site agree with me. It simply is not THAT big of a deal.

I admit the PS4 is more powerful. I admit I would like the Xbox to be more powerful. But since that isn't going to change,why worry about it?

Should I sell my XB1 because all you guys tell me it sucks?

I don't think so. I've been playing games on it like crazy and loving it for two months while my technically superior PS4 is in the closed cabinet of my TV stand and hasn't been turned on since 11/22. I use it's USB ports to charge my spare XB1 controller. It won't get turned on again until inFAMOUS drops, and since I'll have Titanfall by then, it might be awhile after that.

My point is, I'm going to play what I like and to Hell with what resolution it is. If it's the only way to play it, who cares?

The only place this really matters is multiplats, where you can have a direct 1:1 comparison, correct? Because all that BS about comparing Gears to some other TPS is just that, BS.

So let's say a year from now, the next AC game comes out, and it's 1080/60 vs 720/30. Then I have a direct comparison and a real decision to make.

But to me, it's still not a hard decision. I'll take the "worse" version every time. I hate PS controllers. Hate them. And if I stick with the XB version I can play with my friends, get achievements, etc. All of that stuff is more important to me than 1080p.

I'm not going to say there is no difference, because there is. But I will say the difference is so minuscule that without a direct comparison it's not noticeable. And since I have no intention of setting up a second 65 inch TV next to mine and running the same game on both consoles, I think I'll be just fine.

Also, I'd like to take a second to say the way you Sony guys all assume that you have the best developers and the best games kinda makes me ill. You realize everyone likes different types of games, right?

Thankfully, I have both and don't have to choose, but if I could only have one console it would not be a Sony console. They've been a distant second for me ever since the original Xbox dropped. That's just my opinion, of course, and not a popular one here among the Sony worshippers, but it is what it is and I'm not here to gather a fan base.

[n4rc]

It wouldn't matter..

All the fanboys would be fine with 720p as long as Xbox was lower.. Everything has to be 1080 or its garbage... 900p is a joke for ryse.. But 900 is fine and awesome for bf4 only because Xbox is 720..

Its not about the resolution.. Its about winning..

[donman1]

Why is this news. Every gamer knows this. The XboxOne should have been named Xbox720.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Weird. I've been playing Forza 5 and NBA 2K in 1080p 60fps. I guess anytime soon doesn't mean present day.

[dantesparda]

You MS fanboys are funny, youse dont care about res until the X1 suddenly has a game that can do it, then youse wanna brag about it. MS fanboys are being obvious overprotective, sensitive, defensive and phony idiots. Youse are looking like the WiiU fanboys. Nobody is saying X1 cant do 1080p or heck even 1080/60fps, why even the PS3 and 360 could do that. What people are saying is its obvious that the X1 is inferior to the PS4 and any game the X1 could do the PS4 could do better. Now stop saying (and this goes out to all you MS fanboys) that youse dont care about res or framerates (oh wait that did matter til TR happened). Cuz if MS keeps on hearing this enough then thats what you're gonna get. Which is basically what youse will deserve!

[DigitalRaptor]

No one is saying it's not possible to achieve the 1080/60fps baseline. It was possible last gen, and it's possible this gen.

However, if you consider what we know about both of those games, it's not difficult to see how those results came about. When either of those games push the boundaries of what it means to be next-generation, let me know.

[ITPython]

The XB1 could likely do 1080p/60fps for some undemanding cartoon 2D type game, heck I think the PS3 even has a few 1080p/60fps indi games out there.

But when it comes to anything even remotely demanding, XB1 has no chance in hell.

It's amazing, because even some launch PS4 games are able to pull off 1080p @ 60fps (such as the graphically demanding KZ:SF), just imagine how much better it's going to get over the years! If it could be patched into the system, I bet PS4 could even pull off 4k @ 30fps in a couple years.

[OldDude]

"I bet PS4 could even pull off 4k @ 30fps in a couple years."

If you really believe a system that cant even do 1080p/60 consistently is going to do 4 times the resolution @ 30fps, then you sir are an idiot. And yes, I own one too, along with an X1, 2 PS3's, 2 Xbox 360's, A PSV, WiiU and 3 3ds's.

I play games, not systems. Don't be delusional just to compensate for you system of choice.

[ITPython]

XB1 doing 1080p @ 60fps is as likely as the PS4 doing 4k @ 30fps.

And what I mean by that is, PS4 probably could pull it off with a game that isn't too demanding.

Also I own a PS4, I have no need to compensate. That's for the XB1 players, such as yourself.

[popup]

As A PS4 owner, I have little desire to simply just rub peoples nose in it who decided to buy an Xbox One. It is not hard to realise that there is a difference between the two but the fact remains that anyone coming from an Xbox 360 to an Xbox One is going to get a massive upgrade in specs compared to the 360, keep most of their friends and still get some great games and hopefully great exclusives. Should I really care or be that insecure about things that other people decide?

Personally, I don't want to get an Xbox one but if it were to build a library of excellent titles (just as the PS4 will, no doubt) then it would be a shame to miss them due to silly prejudice.

I also hope that we will see more 60FPS titles this gen even if that means that other graphical sacrifices have to be made to make that possible. At the start of this 'next gen', it is only natural to want to see some eye candy ;)

[AngelicIceDiamond]

The info seems surprisingly informative. But still pretty useless.

Project Cars, The New Aliens games, Forza, Strider are doing 1080p 60 frames on X1.

"Dodd said that we won’t be seeing games running at 60 FPS and 1080p resolution any time soon."

Well Dodds wrong because X1 is already doing it.

[cozomel]

You're missing the point, the point is not that the X1 cant do any 1080/60 games but rather that there are going to be alot of PS4 games that'll run at 1080/60 on the PS4 that wont on the X1. And please stop using Forza as a example, that game is really poor example. Its very aliased and has very low poly count. Barely next gen at all

[dlocsta]

@cozomel
You are missing the point because not one single part of your explanation is anywhere in the article. It states very clearly X1 cannot do it and won't be able to for a while yet it already is. So what was the point again?

[Magicite]

This happens when you try to save on a gpu and invest into kinect gimmick.

[BABY-JEDI]

Well I hope the frown turn to smiles. I'm that kind of guy
; )

[Blaze929]

the irony in this rumor being in the "hopefully" section is strong. "Hopefully" Xbox One doesn't achieve 1080p and 60fps anytime soon? lol

[dlocsta]

Forza 5 (a launch title) runs 1080p/60fps. Name the Sony game that did that at launch?

[ITPython]

Uh, Killzone Shadow Fall? Derp?

Heck, even with a graphically intense game such as KZ:SF, it actually wanted to go BEYOND 60fps which at times caused studdering because the HDMI output could only output 60 fps.

[scootscottskeet93]

This comment is for all of the MS fans.. I honestly don't even know why you argue back anymore. I own the XB1 and PS4. When It comes to quality of games Sony wins. When it comes to console power Sony wins. I don't feel like I wasted money on my XB1 because I do look forward to playing titan fall and maybe Halo 5 or the next Gears but when it comes down to it... If you only have an Xbox, then you got the lesser of the two consoles, you really did.

[Snookies12]

The Xbox One console said this? Lol, that's the way it looks with the way the title is presented. To the best of my knowledge, the thing can't talk.

[majiebeast]

Its become sentient. We better watch out

[Snookies12]

Shh, the Kinect is always listening... Lol, I poke fun at it, but the X1 isn't bad. It has a few issues it needs worked on, but it was fun to play around with when I was testing it at my friend's place. I just personally wouldn't pay full price for one right now.

[Gazondaily]

Skynet is activate.

The Tomb Raider 30fps fiasco was the final nail in the coffin really. 1080p/60fps on X1 will be the exception as opposed to the standard it will most likely be on the PS4.

The evidence is there for all to see. It is a shame really and a BIG oversight on the part of MS. So it will really be interesting to see how MS plans to fight back now that it can't rely on third party titles as much as it did with the 360.

[madjedi]

Well hey at least xbox fans get crackdown 3 in 2016.

[lonewolfjedi]

Welp what did you expect?

[snookiegamer]

I don't know what to expect. But expect this before years end.

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Xbox One $399 (with Kinect, but possibly no optical drive) available in White in addition to launch black colour. Halo 2 Anniversary coming this year, with beta for Halo 5 included.

Yep, all apparently true. The source is thereddragon/youtube.com.... so don't shoot the messenger ;/

So you can take it or leave it.

[MysticStrummer]

If you can't trust a red dragon, who can you trust?

[Fishy Fingers]

Don't understand the logic, the hardware is more than capable of 1080p at 60fps, just like my ipad is, it's just down to how demanding the game itself is, or how optimised said game/engine is.

While it's clearly struggled to hit its stride, we're still early in the gen, it's never going to magically get as powerful as the PS4 but blanket statements like "can't do 1080 at 60fps" means nothing.

[LightofDarkness]

Exactly, put the original Gears of War trilogy on there and every game should run at 1080p/60. Trying to get modern games meant for both machines at 1080p/60 is obviously a challenge, and perhaps too great a challenge, but that blanket statement is frankly ignorant.

[Play2Win]

you can play 1080p @ 60FPS with PC hardware from years ago. Seriously without downplaying any console of next gen this is poor. At least Ps4 is on the right track. And Ps4 will get better too. If I would buy a console it would be Ps4. Honestly
who are you fooling by buying a xbox one? yourself? it's your money and you get far more from ps4. and the gap will get bigger and bigger as time goes by. what if amazing new games will go 1080p on ps4 with nice fps and xbox one gets its poor 900p or even 720p? come on its you freaking money. and don#t tell me that resolution doesn't matter. it's the number one aspect of clean image quality.

[elninels]

Don't jump the guy because instead of saying "full, current gen AAA experiences" he said "games". He's not being ignorant, we all knew exactly what he meant.

[xfear2diex]

@garaunimo
so you buy a conslose foe it,s hardware yeah that 1 good reson to do but i buy them for games
if i wanted good grapics i would go to pc to get the highset setting

[madjedi]

No i would consider that statement relevant, devs aren't going to sacrifice visual effects to achieve 1080p 60 fps on the games if it makes the game look like a last gen game.

It is a brand new gen, i want the new games to make last gen games look like dog shit, last gen games visually are a obsolete standard to both gamers and devs.

They want us to see the games and think that looks fucking incredible i need to buy this game.

I swear people forget that ms themselves stated we did not focus on the highest graphics we could obtain. Albeit no one really expected them to cut it back this far.

Tomb raider definitive edition had the ps4 team had to give the xbox one team a hand with it's version. If your looking for a smoking gun this is it.

The xbox one has slower memory and a slower gpu, and is handicapped by the 32 meg edram, there is a reason gddr5 is used on modern graphics cards and ddr3 is not.

[LightofDarkness]

Who are you people even talking to? I don't even own an Xbox One, I have a PS4, Wii U and a high-end PC, among many other older machines. In fact, the XBO is probably the home console I don't have from the last 20 years. You fanboys are losing the plot, this is worse than last gen. And what is factually incorrect in my post? It was all fact, not opinion. Are we disagreeing with facts now?

[Akuma07]

You're completely right. So you can enjoy your last gen looking 1080p/60fps games, while I will enjoy my current gen 1080p/60fps games :D

[NexusFX]

That does suck, at the same time doesn't make a lot of sense, there are games now that do 1080p/60FPS. Not just Forza 5 either, NBA 2K14 does and a couple of others. Well, they got me with their exclusives (Mostly KI, I'm a sucker for that series what can I say) Quantum Break, Halo, Sunset Overdrive, Project Spark, Below. The only reason I don't have a PS4 right now is because the only title that is exclusive that interests me is The Witness (The Order is on my "might be decent list"), sure I can get all the 3rd party stuff and it will look better, run better, or both, the thing is, the 3rd party games aren't "Terrible" just not as good. Price you pay for voice commands and multitasking, which I enjoy quite a bit actually. I've gotten spoiled by it lol. Even at one point thought about changing from X1 to PS4, for me, the titles just aren't there yet, maybe next year. Their Indie selection is awesome but I can get those on my PC so....

[elninels]

Most voice commands are available on the ps4. One doesn't even need the camera, just the headset. However you won't have the seamless multimedia integration of the xone's three OSs.

[svoulis]

Hm

"Their Indie selection is awesome but I can get those on my PC so...."

Titan Fall and Project Spark is for PC as well. So you are contradicting yourself right there.

The point is, and its really THIS simple.

You are paying more for less. The problem is the "less part" caters to the "kinect" and if you think that justifies the extra 100$ for a inferior product then that is fine.

I find it fascinating that you are so interested in Sunset Overdrive, Below, Halo when you know almost NOTHING about them. But hey. I guess whatever helps you sleep at night.

As far as indies are concerned (Below being one of them) Indies aren't bad, and if you don't have a PC the PS4 is a great alternative for the games, and most of all, they are basically free.. (PS+).

[NexusFX]

"Titan Fall and Project Spark is for PC as well. So you are contradicting yourself right there."

Actually I'm well aware that those 2 titles are on PC. I guess you missed the part about KI, I don't need anything to help me sleep at night lol, and I wasn't insulting the PS4, its just not for me right now. I have games I enjoy right now. KIller Instinct, Dead Rising 3, Forza 5, and Ryse. NONE of those Titles are on PC and I'm very glad to have the X1 right now. Killzones graphics look fantastic, but its a ho-hum series for me. Knack I really was looking forward to but was VERY disappointed after playing it. Those are the only 2 AAA Exclusives right now and in order to justify spending money on a console, I need more content than what is "currently" being offered on the PS4.

And NO YOU AREN'T PAYING MORE FOR LESS! You're paying for what the product IS not what you THINK IT IS. The HDMI Pass-though, the Multitasking, the Kinect features, and the exclusive titles available are the things that drew me to the console, games and features, not resolution.

Congrats on looking for some way to insult someone who currently owns an X1 and enjoys it though, nothing like exposing your own insecurities. "But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night"

[svoulis]

@NexusFX

Haha, if only you new.

Here is my Gamertag KSKGravemaker

Oh whats that, I own an Xbox One as well, and have all the exclusives. Oh me Oh my.

See that is the problem with fanboys, they get so high on their horse they still don't see a product for what it truly is.

Yes I bought an Xbox One KNOWING it was inferior to the PS4, yes I bought all the exclusives even if they didn't appeal to me. YES, I bought the KI pack so I have all the characters and maps.

That still does NOT take away from the fact that all Microsoft has been doing defending their console is lying about things we knew about already.

It's not me or you I feel bad for its the people who don't know and don't understand what goes on behind the curtains.

First they claim the consoles are basically the same, than they claim that the gap isn't as big as we think it is. Than they go back and say graphics and fps aren't important and finally we are full circle....AGAIN

I bought a XO because I play games and I don't choose sides. I bought both consoles, I have a high end PC, and at the point all 3rd party games I own are on my PS4 or PC.

Oh and I personally keep my Kinect unplugged as I don't care for it :D

[corvusmd]

A). So far it's been proven that this isn't as big of a deal as many want to pretend it is, most times it's difficult to even notice a difference. MS simply chose to put their resources into other areas such as a network (and as it appears today, actual games). Games on XB1 already look and run amazingly.
B). I do see developers unlocking the XB1 a little more each time, and with driver updates and new engines, etc...I do see XB1 making the relatively small jump to doing 1080p/60fps consistently, in most cases it's not far off already. However, I don't see PS4 ever moving past that mark, 1200p or 120fps is not as small jump at all (and quite frankly probably not necessary cause all it will do is add development hours and take up disk space). PS4 workings are no mystery at all, so the greatest difference in consoles will be right at the beginning...true both consoles will get better, but XB1 will make bigger gains. So, XB1 will reach the 1080p/60fps plateau sooner than most think (eventhough it's not really necessary with these new hardware upscalers) and then both companies will be on even par as far as graphics...then all the chest beating will be pointless, and PS4 will have no edge whatsoever. They are getting killed in the network department, and games are just subject to opinion (but based on current trends, it seems that XB1 has that cornered at the moment).

[madjedi]

la la not listening la la la

[MasterCornholio]

For gods sake Jedi don't let his words infect your brain.

[madjedi]

They aren't i was just mocking him.

[cyber_daemonx]

'XB1 will make bigger gains' is again another deluded denial statement. When are all you stupid xbots going to realise this will NEVER happen. The PS4 is superior in EVERY department, online included. Da pwer of da cloud strikes again. The bone is a gimped system and the gap between them will actually get WIDER not decrease.

[reaperofsouls]

midget gem your post make me want to cry i genuinly believe that the power of the cloud will make my xbone run like a top end pc with 4 sli gtx titans each overclock to 50,000 ghz each with plus a 2000 core intel i7 processer with 1,000 gig of ddr5 ram and that the xbone will easily sell 500millliom units in japan alone, yes i really am this delusional.

[EXVirtual]

When you say that the XBO will have bigger gains and the PS4 will have no edge, you're forgetting what Thuway recently said.
The Xbox One will be behind the entire gen and the PS4 has more in the tank.

[MysticStrummer]

Tools will improve for both consoles, and tech won't. PS4 is simply the stronger of the two. The sooner you accept this, the better off you will be. Delusion and denial aren't good habits to fall into. I think it's too late for people like greenpowerz, georgenoob, and truefan but it may not be too late for you. Good luck.

[Christopher]

***most times it's difficult to even notice a difference. MS simply chose to put their resources into other areas such as a network (and as it appears today, actual games).***

Can we reverse time and can I use a similar excuse for any discrepancies between third-party titles on the PS3 and Xbox 360?

[Hicken]

No, you can't do that. It's not fair, and everybody should forget that ever happened.

[mhunterjr]

The comment doesn't make sense. The wii u is capable of 1080p 60fps... so is an ipad... The questions are 1) how demanding will other graphical aspects be while maintaining that performance
2) will achieving that performance be worth the sacrifices in other areas.

As tools improve, the required sacrifices will be smaller... of course, it seems like the people who care most about the xb1s performance aren't interested in owning the console anyway...

[Christopher]

Should those people let Microsoft advertise their games as being "equal" to their competitors as well?

I know there are a lot of annoying people out there, but just citing the truth in comparing the two isn't wrong and is necessary in order to inform others. If those people just shut up because they didn't want the device, Microsoft would just market it as equal and essentially lie to users when, if they so desired, exists a console with better power for creating higher quality games when it comes to graphics and the like.

I know I'm one of those people. But, I don't want an XBO solely because I don't want to pay for Kinect. I'd still consider it if the games were mostly 900p if they had the IPs I desired and I couldn't get them elsewhere. Does that make me an illegitimate source for complaints about their ability to hold up to their competitor?

[mhunterjr]

I don't think Microsoft mentions ps4 versions of games in their advertisements. Does Sony mention that their versions are inferior to PC versions?

No.

In general, companies just explain why they think you should purchase their console instead of choosing other options. Naturally they will downplay things that are perceived as weaknesses, and emphasize strengths.

The first company that has a advertisement that admits inferiority to the competition will be a dead company quickly. It's kind of silly to expect anyone to do that.

I'm not saying that you don't have a right to voice why you don't want a xb1. I'm just saying that the people who DO purchase it, do so despite the fact that they are well aware that it's graphic potential is much lower. So it's obviously something else that draws them in. As long as they are happy with their purchase, who cares? Ya know?

[Christopher]

@mhunterjr: No, but Microsoft does advertise all their games as 1080p even if they are upscaled. They also advertise it as the most powerful gaming console out there.

[mmj]

They're trying to give false hope again, the simple fact is Xbone GPU is just not physically cut out for 1080P with next generation graphics.

It's like Ford saying their Fiesta will reach 250mph when they've had a bit of time to tweak the engine and hoping people are ignorant enough to believe it.

[90Supra]

*meanwhile at Sony*

http://replygif.net/i/1409....

[Codey47]

So Bejeweled....probably the only 4K game that'll run on the xbone.

[TH3BR3W]

Lol if that. I hope you don't think there will be any 4k games on ps4 though.sed gtx 770 in my pc will barely run any game at 4k res.... not enough memory for the textures. My 770 is way more powerful than the apu's in the ps4 so what does that say for ps4 when the apu and ram is not enough for playable fps on low taxing current gen games? 4k gaming for consoles are 8 years down the road most likely. Hell 4k affordable gaming for PC is still 3 years down the road.

Right now consoles may be able to pull of 4k movies as long as they are on a ssd with a high read rate because the bluray drives are too slow on their read to do 4k reads at the movie standard 24fps. Also if your thinking "well I can just use 4k streaming on Netflix." Think again. Unless you have 100 mbps this is a feature that will be worse than trying to watch standard definition movies on your phone with 1st gen 3g speeds.

[ElementX]

Well DR3 isn't 1080/60fps and it's still a lot of fun. I have been playing PS4 a lot recently but don't regret buying Xbox One.

[Maxor]

They seriously need to launch an Xbox One Pro. I wonder how much longer can the Xbox team afford to have this performance tanget.

[halfblackcanadian]

Best part of these threads: when 1080p/60fps isn't 1080p/60fps enough. Maybe a testament to the fact that it doesn't actually mean anything at all.
Honestly, if Puzzle and Dragons on iPad is providing you more fun than "insert next gen game name here" then it shouldn't matter.

[parentsbasement]

Wont matter to millions of people as long as there are games for it , and I expect there will be....even if they stop at the current 2014 list , ill feel like I got my moneys worth.....

[Father__Merrin]

1080p 60fps will be difficult due to Xbox1 bandwidths, the core experience is shared with tv services but time will tell

[Ko_Uraki]

So I assume that Second Son and The Order are going to suck because not at 1080p and 60fps.
Wake up guys. Graphics is not only res and framerate.
Of course ps4 versions will continue to be better, but why all these insiders felt necessary to stop the positivity of yesterday leaks?

[GamersHeaven]

Both those games are 1080p :)

[Smootherkuzz]

Ok Xbox One due have a game that runs 1080p@60fps FMS 5, that means the console can do 1080p with 60fp. So many have made claims that the console could not which is far from the truth. Now rather the game has been tailored to make that possible don't matter. Iam sure there are and will be games on PS that developers are forced to do the even with all the power it has. This has been done as long as video gaming has been around. The ultimate console still have not been born! I like what both have offer and gen will only get better.

[imt558]

Quote :

Ok Xbox One due have a game that runs 1080p@60fps FMS 5, that means the console can do 1080p with 60fp

With huge downgrades! :

Forza 5 :

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Even the last-gen game on Xbone has problem : Tomb Raider :

PS4
1080p
FXAA
40-50fps fluctuations
60fps in "cheaper" areas

XBone
1080p gameplay
900p in some cutscenes
FXAA
Lower quality DOF
Some alpha effects rendered half resolution
Reduced anisotropic filtering on artwork
Some lower res textures
24-30fps drops
Less judder in certain situations

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

[nohopeinc]

I am still confused as to why this is so important for console gamers. If all you love is the pretty little details that go into making an incredibly good looking game, try PC because if you are all about 1080 soon enough you will catch on and start screaming for 4k and about how it is true next gen.

Looks are a big part, I get that, but you know what is still a great game to me Starcraft from like 15 years ago. Still enjoyable, online fastest maps are still fun. Because thew content is great. I have a XB1 to play with friends I had on 360. I will get a PS4 for R&C maybe a couple others.

Also I hate the direction they went with. The Kinect bullshit, TV this. I hate all the faggots watching TV through their XB1 because I know M$ thinks that they have succeeded by providing that when in fact it is a slap in the face to gamers. It took resources, R&D, and time to create that and its fucking tits on a boar(useless).

[MasterCornholio]

The Xbox One and the PS4 are both capable of running games in 1080P at 60FPS. However a PS4 game that runs like this might not work on the Xbox One without a downgrade. And the reason behind this is because the Xbox Ones hardware is weaker than the PS4. No amount if optimizations or cloud computations will solve this problem. Thats what you get for wanting Kinect with the system.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

And ditching your core consumers, in favor of casuals. (They knew the core would care.. that's why it was all tv.tv.tv.sports.cod., -casual centered all in One.)- they thought the core would just follow, no matter what direction.. Now it's major damage control mode, to try to get the faith of their core audience back.

[purp13m0nk3y]

Look this site needs to move on from the resolution/frame rate articles. Enough is enough. The PS4>Xbox1 hardware. We get it.

It's only an issue if you make it an issue. The same games will release for bothered systems. Both versions will play great and look miles better than previous gen. Just because one looks a bit better. Who gives a crap!

If you own a PS4 (like myself) then you should be happy that it will have awesome looking games. If you own an Xbox1 (also like my self) then you should be happy that it will also have awesome looking games.

Only insecure, winey little bitch fan girls care that PS4>Xbox1 graphics. Real gamers, we care about games. Enjoying then for their strengths, not fixating on the tiny details.

I want to check this site and see articles on interesting gaming news. New upcoming games. New tech developments. Insitefull interviews with developers and the like.

It seems every time I jump on this site all there seems to be is more stupid flame bait articles about Xbox1 vs PS4. It is sad, and a waste of our (the real gamers) time.

Sorry. End rant :-)

[parentsbasement]

That made sense (and also disagrees)......this place is like a car wreck for me , its hard not to look .....

[webeblazing]

Your gonna get a tons of disagrees for stating the truth. The fanboys on this is going crazy. Its getting rediculous. Especially with the articles, everything is flame bait just so they can bash the others console

[christocolus]

Wow.. 1080p and 60fps again?..lol. i dont know about most guys here on n4g but i know those i game with dont give a damn about that crap. Why would that be an issue if the game im playing is so much fun? Would i like halo5,gow xbx one, crackdown3, tlou2,uc2 ,infamous ss,a lot less if they ran at 720p/30fps? hell no. I couldnt care less.

I've never thought about that while playing halo, gears , mgs, kameo, tlou, uc, infamous or any other game i own. having fun should be priority.who cares about that? i guess games have become really boring that res and fps now take priority cos thats the only reason i see people up in arms about this or maybe its just simple fanboyism.

Im definitly looking forward to the great titles coming out on xbx one(quantum break, sunset overdrive, gow, halo5, d4, titantall, kinect sports rivals) , every xbox one fan should too and again i really dont give a damn about what res or fps any of those will be running at so far its fun to play count me in.

xbxfans shouldnt bother about this, you guys will defintily be getting a lot of fun games(new and old ips) to keep you busy from worrying about res or fps. Just go out there and have fun playing the games you love ps4 , xbx one or wii u.

[cyber_daemonx]

Funny how FR & RES don't matter any more now its actually relevant. Last gen its all the xbots went on about. Well sorry to burst your little bubble but it DOES seem to matter to a lot of people, that's why there is nothing but damage limitation coming from the bone fans.

[xDHAV0K24x]

bone fans? wtf?

[christocolus]

I keep hearing the same old story like its some kind of payback or revenge plot and truth be told i wasnt involved in that back then,imo its childish and a waste of time.i never did and i never will now.i actually owned both ps3 and x360 but i didnt even know much about res and fps back then either, but now that i do i dont see it as a deal breaker. If you happen to be among those who feel otherwise then by all means feel free to skip the xbx one but imo res and fps aint necessarily top on the list of game defining qualities.

[Crillvirus81]

Man I hope not I love when a game is 60fps even if its 720p it makes the games look and move so much better to me I hope ms can fix this ..I seen a video of tomb raider running on both consoles and it looked so much more fluid when they where running and gunning etc but the graphics look almost the same

[hello12]

Ya, the same Pete dowd who said the x box 1 would be broken at launch. Yes lets listen to him? Hes a Sony fanboy, the x box 1 will be fine and it has more games than Sony. Why anyone would buy the PS4 over the xb1 now when x box has better games is beyond me.

[TristanPR77]

Why would anyone buy a PS4 over the X1:
- PS4 is more powerful
- Better overall design
- Better technology and less expensive
- Better streaming and social features
- Multiplatform games are better on PS4
- Best first party studios
- Will have more exclusive games
- New franchises
- Better indi support

Well the list goes on. Xbone having better games is just an illusion created by some to try and swallow the sad truth about the xbone.

[Bolts-N-Rays1109]

Halo is the only reason I need. End. Of. Story.

[LexHazard79]

What truth? That its also a good console with good games! IMO not worth the price tag but from reviews and videos I have seen on the console it seems to be pretty good! MS is gonna have to work alot harder this gen but I think they will be alright even without always having 1080p, 60fps games!

[larrysdirtydrawss]

what better games? right now the best exclusive game out there is resogun(until infamous comes out),best multi-plat game is sonys version of ac4 ..everybody knows sonys first party stomps over ms 1st party by a mile. every single multi-plat game will ALWAYS look and play better on ps4. 9.9/10 times you can count on 1080p 30+fps with ps4 games. have a good day mamm

[DigitalRaptor]

1) Xbone did have launch issues with the hardware. It did, as did PS4. It also has a fundamentally broken party system, that won't be fixed for quite some time.

2) Dodd has an Xbone and some of its games, and said it is currently the better next gen console out because of its games. But he bought a PS4 first over the XB1 because of the long-term and what history dictates. The article on his site went into great detail about this.

3) PS4 has more actual exclusives as well as games across more genres and types than Xbone. It has more games in production, and always will. http://i.imgur.com/KVX6jb4....

4) People are buying PS4 over XB1 because of all the reasons TristanPR77 mentioned above, as well as the fact that Sony:

- hasn't been pissing people off for the past year by lying to the faces of consumers on NeoGaf and through smoke and mirrors marketing campaigns
- hasn't tried to f*ck over the consumers with intrusive DRM and force-bundling camera that 95% of gamers have no extended interest in
- hasn't offered and doesn't continue to offer unreasonable, anti-consumer policies in their online services (on the contrary, they have the best value and progressive policies)
- hasn't focused on multimedia and "broad entertainment" at the expense of cutting edge console tech that gamers desire the most for the long-term of the console they are going to buy
- have provided a laser-focused gaming platform, rather than a machine that had multimedia and entertainment (non-gaming) prioritised above gaming.

Sony has a history of providing the best exclusives consistently throughout the generation. Microsoft only has the games this early on, because most of them have been starved from 360 gamers and pushed to the Xbone to provide that illusion for fanboys to feed from.

Gamers who are actually self-respecting and discerning, and bother to look at the long-term impact of decisions and the long-term in general will see that the PS4 is the better gaming console for now and for this generation, and current games are not the whole picture. You guys use such short-sighted and lacking in logic arguments, it's astonishing.

[TristanPR77]

Make all the excuses that you want but the truth is that the xbone cannot compete vs the PS4 power and performance so multiplatform games will be better on the PS4, since launch it has been that way.

Weak hardware is weak hardware, you cannot change that with some secret magic sauce, or the cloud. Is time for acceptance.

This is not hate or trolling the xbone. This is the truth of what is going on.

[cruzngta]

XB1 is not a weak system by any means. Sure the PS4 is more powerful and is capable of getting 1080p/60fps more. MS needs to get their drivers and OS update going and realize that they will never match PS4 for power. They need to just get the most they can out of what they have and if it means 720p/60fps or 900p/30fps than so be it. If the games are made well and are really good than I dont see fans complaining much anyway. In the end it all makes sense that they put the upscaler in the machine - propably because they new that consistently hitting 1080p would be a problem and the upscaler would help in that department. Can't fault them for trying. There are 1080p games out already for it as for 60fps it gets a little tougher there. They truly need time and must somehow figure out a way to help developers(if possible) master this whole ESRAM bottleneck that they have created. If it works the way they think it can than I think that would help with the graphics a bit. Like I have said b4 they will NEVER match PS4 for graphical power so just optimize the hell out of what they have for developers and try to hit 720p/60 or 900p/1080p/30fps if they can. More than anything they MUST get great content as well because at the end of the day its all about how good the game experience is. That could be their one saving grace to combat the PS4.

[vaGrr]

Coming from pc gaming, the difference between 30 and 60 fps is huge, especially on first person shooters. Scrolling and motion becomes significantly smoother at higher fps.

For those asking if an ipad can handle 1080p, so why can't an xbone? Well, you might be confusing pre-rendered video (like a movie) with real-time rendering.

Also, it is difficult to see the difference between 1080 and 720 resolutions if your television's screen is less than 40 inches. Above 40 is 1080p territory.

[XiSasukeUchiha]

Yes so does the truth hurt anyone? talking to fanboys mostly!

[Max-Zorin]

Sony and Microsoft fanboys need to meet up and fight already. It's been overdue.

[iliimaster]

its 2014 and with a 550+ dollars just for the system then another 60+ for live for the year... plus a game.... totals
aroundish almost or at 700$ after taxes and cant even produce 1080p 60FPS.... F U microSoft

[ambientFLIER]

Obviously it can, dummy. It has 1080/60 games. It's up to the developers what rez and frame rate to run games at.

[GW212]

Why the difference in resolution and frame rate on the multiplats? Can't have it both ways, bud.

[iliimaster]

ambient umm.. no

[Tzuno]

Xbox will deliver Stunning games despite the hate. The biggest mistake that Ms has made was choosing a AMD cpu. a game is fully playable form 20+ fps heck even 18 fps but you can not test that on a console as a average user. 30 fps is smart, 60 is better but the difference is minimal and the resources are more demanding, wait until you will see the ps4 on god of war or uncharted and if it is 60Fps then it is a piece of work but i highly doubt it.

[mmj]

I agree the AMD CPU is weak by PC standards but PS4 and XBO have the very same CPU, infact rumour has it that the XBO is clocked faster.

The main problem XBO has is it's GPU bottlenecked at high resolutions, if they had fitted a better GPU like Sony they could have bumped up the resolution without the frame-rate dropping.

[The_devils_chum]

The kinect was there demise and the whole reason for the kinect collecting meta data! Its true the whole world id hungry for data and there's no denying it, i can't even be in a store withing 5 minutes they're asking me my zip code and emial address.For other reason other to sell it to 3rd party companies for advertising purposes. Virtually every key we hit on our keyboards is stored,tracked and analyzed to try and sell you more crap. Microsoft thought they would just be able to make us pay for the kinect device while it spyed on us and sell the data to advertisers"free money these days". I know someone who works for ms, pretty high up and has hand delivered bill gates his personal laptop a couple times and they say that microsoft was planing to sell your facial recognition data because its not illegal in the U.S. just in europe and thats why there so hard pressed to keep it on all the time. Look it up ads driven on facial recognition will be how the bulk of ads are chose in the next decade and microsoft was trying to stock up on data. Its all linked together, theres a resturant where i live that has a tiny camera on the entrance door that scans your face, knows who you are and can search your facebook pics for products and sends a personal ad to your smart phone by the time you sit down for dinner. Greedy greedy microsoft.

[HappyWithOneBubble]

Well there you have it folks.

[jjind]

Forza is graphical stunning and it is a total leap forward from last gen Forzas. Go to the comparison video on youtube. These dudes are going to say where they can to shit on the Xbox One, for whatever reason. This site favors PS4 anyway so what do you expect. Need proof? Watch how many dislikes any comments that favor the Xb1 gets. NBA2k14 is also 1080p/60. I love how these dude always claim to be a "industry insider".

[Applejack]

I personally wouldn't use Forza 5 as an example since it was already mentioned having to downgrade much of the game to be able to hit 1080p /60FPS since its E3 showing.

Edit: Here's a link if you're interested.

http://n4g.com/news/1398981...

[jjind]

So what's the problem with NBA2k14? It runs at 60fps at 1080p? Several games were downgraded to fix there consoles. Why is Forza being singled out?..Because everybody wants to hate the xbox one. Those screenshots look altered. All I know is that Forza 5 looks absolutely stunning running at 1080p/60fps on my 60'' Samsung Plasma (600mhz)

[cbuc1125]

@jjind...This site favors the TRUTH and dont you ever forget it. Last gen when the multiplats performed better on 360, we accepted it. now the roles are reversed so you just accept it!

[jjind]

@cbuc1125 I forgot it... Now what you gon do about it? This site Favors the PS4 point blank. Anybody remotely showing favor to the xbox one gets their comment disliked by a bunch of ppl. You rarely see postings about the issues the PlayStation 4 has. PS4 is a great console but damn. This site favors the PS4 and don't you forget it.

[SlavisH2]

i lol when i read your first sentence. you must ride the small bus

[StifflerK]

I'm surprised by some of the comments on here - of course the X1 can do 1080p/60fps , so can the Wii U/ X360/Ps3 etc.

It's pretty much down to the dev, how they want to allocate the resources, how complex the game is,how important a fixed fps is etc .

I think with the whole COD and TR 'drama' , these are last-gen ports. The problems here are due to how easily a dev can port the game, or how much time they're willing to spend on it - the X1 reportedly being more difficult than the PS4.

Don't agree with me? Compare your logic to last gen when the X360 had the better multi-plat games? Was that due to power , or was it due to the dev's not spending enough time optimizing the games for PS3???

Oh , for the record I have Forza 5 - it's a beautiful game.
Similarly PvZ: GW (frostbite engine) is 1080p/60fps plus it has split screen.

Relax people , things will improve on the multi-plat front.

[SLUG]

thats true and i'm getting pvz:gw because it may be the best shooting game out their
on xbo i would like to see a rts,moba and a good mmorpg games this time

[snookiegamer]

BREAKING NEWS!!!!

Various Xbox One SKU's incoming, starting with a $399 Xbox One/1TB HDD (with Kinect, but possibly no optical drive) available in White in addition to launch black colour. Halo 2 Anniversary coming this year, with beta for Halo 5 (H5 now delayed until 2015) included.

The original source is Neogaf, but so far various youtubers have jumped on this >thereddragon & ghostrobo/youtube.com.... so don't shoot the messenger ;/

[killzone619]

720/60fps is acceptable to me aswell.

[mmj]

It was for me last generation, it's difficult to even purchase a 720P nowadays they're all 1080P.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

And then Forza was released on launch day at 1080p/60fps.. Just stop.

[thecowsaysmoo]

I don't care about the frames per second count so much considering I cannot tell the difference between 30 fps to 60 fps. However, when FPS drops is when I can tell something is wrong.

[daedra]

Who gives a F?!!!! LOL

We got great games coming, I care about the game more than pretty graphics, or fps, besides 30fps is awesome, its cinematic, HALO 2!!!!!!!!! The competitors can release 100 awesome AAA games for free and it wouldn't matter, we got the king back.

You all can keep your 1080p/60fps LMAO!!

[Gunstar75]

These FPS/res articles are getting a liiiittllleeeee boooooriiiiing now!!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This "insider" stuff is becoming increasingly peculiar to me. I don't like being a conspiracy person either, this just has been so insanely one direction its just unnatural. Couple the lopsided info leaks with the fact that the two prominent "insiders" used 2 be Sony insiders & now almost all their "leaks" are MS based. I am not just talking CBOAT or the new guy from yesterday on GAF either. I am talking about Famousmortimer and Thuway both who were primarily Sony guys who would drop tidbits on Sony stuff left and right. Now suddenly they never almost never report on any "Sony" information and if they do its not negative and its almost all negative MS info they "leak" out. Both also happen to be very open Sony fans although both will say nice things about MS here and there.

Anyway, whatever it is...its odd.

[Hakoom]

not this gen maybe for xboxone 2

[cbuc1125]

1080p/60 PS4 ($399)=Resogun, Killzone multiplayer, Tomb Raider

1080p/60 Xbox One ($499)= Forza 5

whats wrong with this picture?

[hkgamer]

resogun? come on, thats isnt really a graphic intensive game. im pretty sure they could have made it 120fps if they wanted.

kz multiplayer, well only achieved in multiplayer and not single player.

tr? the viseo i saw had ps4 version hovering at 45-50. saw it on df i think.

price? yes sony deice is cheaper, but is the pri e difference really that big?

res and fps is not everything, if you dont have good graphics with great animations and possibly lots of things going onscreen than whats the point?

im a sony fan btw.

im sure as time goes on we get proper games that look great with 1080/60

[cbuc1125]

@hkgamer....Not really sure why you are replying if you are a PS4 owner. The fact is that all 3 games are 1080/60 and Xboxone only has 1. It doesnt matter where TR "hovers". It "hovers" on PC as well with TressFX on. KZ Multiplayer still counts...and so does Resogun...its one of the highest rated games this gen so far.

Oh and YES $100 is that big. i would be pissed if i accidentally lost a $100 bill. A $20 maybe not so much. That makes it a big deal. Also $100 just about buys 2 games. How can you scoff at that?

[FlyingFoxy]

Heh this is why i always stick to PC, gonna build myself a powerful x99 Intel 6/8 coresetup under finance when they come out in a few months and a r9 290 gfx card. 1080p and 60/120fps for sure.

[Ps4marksthespotnotX]

Ms chiefs will be eating there socks that xbone is so inferior

[mysteryraz11]

XBoxone can do 1080p, cause the tr definative version is in 1080p, but the ps4 is cheaper and stronger so its a better deal, though im sure we will see more 1080p games in the future on the xbox one

[hkgamer]

1080p/60fps?
just lower effects and graphics?

why do people just mention the resolution and graphics? doesn't anti aliasing, lighting, polygon count, texture quality count anymore?

[undertowjones]

Xflopone

[KingKevo]

Good, but the engines will also improve and it will still hard to keep up with that. It doesn't help if the game could do 1080/60p at some point on an old game and still has problems with the current ones. But whatever. That cloudzzz and Kinect magic should do the trick /s

[DoubleM70]

The order 800P 30fps don't forget about that.

[SKullDugger]

Don't think so !!

[DoubleM70]

Yes think so buddy

The Order: 1886 is rendering in 2.40:1 ratio (1920x800)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[Applejack]

That was done intentionally for the cinematic effect and black bars. Ready at Dawn even said that themselves.

[DoubleM70]

So when Xbox devs give a reason why something is running in lower resolution its a lie. I'm just trying to prove a point. Just have fun and don't worry about this shit.

[kevinsheeks]

nice

[Saleem101]

I'm not surprise at all I have both systems ps4 games look and run better....

[SKullDugger]

@DoubleM70 dude that is from June 25 2013 thats not the final build. Is that all you have.

[NeloAnjelo]

Fact remains, the XBONE will be behind in performance for a while this gen.

MS should have called this thing the XBOX 720.... For 720p, as that seems the standard on this console.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Agenda bullshit.

Ask yourself, why didn't anyone make a big deal out of this last gen when a certain console struggled to hit 720p / 30fps?

Question the sources of these claims

[Ryto]

People who say 1080p doesn't make a difference, clearly haven't played assassins creed black flag on ps4. After they patched up to 1080 it was like a night and day difference and the game looks absolutely amazing. Before that moment, I too didn't think 1080p was all that important, how wrong I was.

[SynestheticRoar]

Oh shit this guy is the Edward Snowden of video games. He's telling everything Microsoft doesn't want you to know. Oh shit he has more stuff he's holding back. Someone stop him. LOL. F-that tell me more I can't stop laughing.

[contradictory]

60FPS is a must.

the resolution on the other hand doesn't really matter to me personally because i have a 32 inch HDTV...
bitch, i can't tell the difference.

[Kaini_Industries]

Absolutely pathetic. 8 years of hardware progression has come to just this. Just pathetic.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

Games look awsome on both consoles ryse looks amazing so does kz

[Porkround]

Ah, this reminds me of the PS3/360 war of words in 2007. N4G you do entertain.

[annus]

At least this argument is a bit less annoying than "PS3 has no games" being spammed everywhere.

[maniac76]

Wut.u thought sony would allow ms to get away getn bluray and have a more higher outputtin console? Lmfao. That was the trade off lol

[Jag-T1000]

Looks like I'll be buying only exclusive titles on xbox one. All the multiplatforms games I will buy for the PS4.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

There is More people that speak my language on xbox just saying not hating

[mmj]

What language? English? most of the world speak it... or do you just mean there are less foreigners on Xbox Live?

[TheRedButterfly]

That moment when launch titles were 60FPS @ 1080p.

[Bearsfanfourlife]

So what does anyone really care i still play games on old generation consoles.i mean we are playing the games here right not the resolution

[Shad0wRunner]

"It's about the GAMES!"....is a valid point, but it will not sustain the "graphics" argument any longer. Sorry...but it wont. I have oldschool NES, SNES, and SEGA emulators on my PC. I still play those old 8 bit and 16 bit games, from time to time...for nostalgic reasons. Those games were great for their time and hardware. They had some solid gameplay and storylines.

BUT...times have changed. Hardware has changed. The VG industry has changed. Gamers have changed. The technology has evolved and improved over the last 25 years. You cant say graphics dont matter, because that logic dictates that we should all be happy gamers with old and outdated tech, still playing 8 and 16 bit games...25 years later. Sure, the gameplay and storylines continue to matter as much as they ever did. Were not saying they dont. But in this day and age, theres no excuse for not being able to hit 1080p at 60FPS perpetually. None.

Okay, that's like saying..."Hey dude, it's not about how great your movie looks on BluRay, in HD...it's more to do with the movie, storyline and plot, than graphics. Theres no difference between a BluRay movie and a DVD movie - it's the same movie and you should watch the movie, FOR the movie." <---This defies all logic. Why buy an HDTV that displays full 1080p resolution, if youre not using discs, software, games and movies that supports full 1080p? Hell, you might as well throw out your new HDTV and go back to using an oldschool console tube tv!

Same thing applies to music. Cassettes evolved from 8 tracks. CD's evolved from cassettes. MP3's evolved from CD's and so on... The point and purpose - Each evolution is BETTER THAN THE LAST!

This is YOUR money that youre shelling out. I was always taught and raised to believe that, if youre going to buy a product, it might as well be the BEST in the line of that product. If PS4 has the superior hardware and can hit 1080p/60FPS nearly everytime...and it's becoming increasingly clear that the competion CANT...then WHY would you settle for an inferior product? Naturally, Im going for the best hardware that consoles have to offer. Better hardware equals better games, graphically and visually. I only invest in games that have good gameplay and storylines, so that aspect is of no concern to me. My concern is quality in visual fidelity. What can I say...Im a graphics wh0re and I want the best graphics a console can produce. I cant afford a high end PC rig and im not into PC gaming, so that doesnt apply to me.

It's like saying "Would you rather play 8 Bit Super Mario, on NES...or the new Super Mario 3D on WiiU?"
Nostalgically...I'd go oldschool over newschool, anyday...but visually, I'd go with the new Mario 3D. Because it simply LOOKS better.

"Would you rather play MGS on PS1, or MGS5 on PS4?"
You get what Im saying? The point is to keep improving and evolving, not downgrading and taking steps backwards. That's not saying MGS1 sucked or was a bad game, but...visually, MGS5 is hands down, the better game.

Why go to a movie theater and watch Avatar or Avengers in IMAX REAL 3D? Why not just watch the standard version, for cheaper? BECAUSE PEOPLE LIKE BETTER VISUALS. They like to be WOW'd and amazed.

It's a simple concept to grasp. Theres no need to keep asking people why graphics matter.

THEY JUST DO. PERIOD.

[Elda]

Knowing this who would buy ths powerless machine??

[killzone619]

i must say, this whole 1080/60 talk is pathetic

The PC nerds started this whole thing when they discovered killzone shadow fall was originally going to be 30fps back in February. Did the PS community care that it was locked at 30fps? Nope. we were just happy that it was a rock solid 30fps according to digital foundary video analysis:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

If the sony fanboys wanted 1080/60 so badly then they would of canceled their ps4 pre-order after discovering games were still 30fps on their platform.

1) infamous SS = 30fps
2) driveclub= 30fps
3) watch dogs= 30fps

so are these games irrelevant to the sony fanbase? Hell No. Because they dont care about 30fps! But when a game like tomb raider is 30fps on xbox one, they bash it?! lmao

[TheBurger29]

you sony fanboys will love this haha! went on xbox on fb and ranted about how im selling pile of a gaming machine and getting a new pc that can do 1080p 60 fps and within seconds it was deleted! haha damage control much?

[DJ]

Microsoft screwed up. Why would anyone pay $100 more for a console that's only half as capable as PS4?

[Games_R_Us]

I dont care if games are less than 1080p / 60fps on XB1. I enjoy Xbox for a variety of reasons. I dont expect to convince others to join or give up their passion / choices. For me, I love the OS, friends, games, franchises etc. I dont watch TV, or talk a lot to KInect. Its what I like, so I am happy. Many people say its more expensive. In Australia, there was $50 difference. Plus I got FIFA 14 for $80 inside the box and a camera, good value to me. Again, enjoy your purchases and play the games. No matter how powerful PS4 is for example, it will never have Gears, Titanfal, Ryse, Forza, Halo and more and I love those games, so thats my stance.

[jaw69]

So..why even bother buying the pathetic "thing"! SUCH...a complete waste of money---MICROSOFT. Such a "joke" especially on the uninformed and easily "duped" public.

[Nocando]

Why did you use quotations?

[Platinum_k]

First the Customers, then Developers start complaining about XBOX1's performance and restraints...

Who's next? Microsoft employees? hehe!

Too bad for xbox1 owners once again.

[kakashi81]

As long as they can get 900P/60fps Im cool with that. Maybe square enix should have done that with tomb raider.

[killzone619]

wait, isn't forza 5 1080/60?