NeoGAF Reacts and SlasherJPC Responds: Titanfall’s 6v6 Multiplayer Limit

From the article: "The recent revelation of Titanfall‘s 6v6 multiplayer limit has everyone in an uproar recently. With the community split straight down the center, with people on one side defending the player count, and the other side admonishing Respawn’s decisions and capabilities, this has become quite the hot topic. Especially at NeoGAF. Check out SlasherJPC’s take on this “issue”."

[WorldGamer]

Full disclosure, I'm not a MS fan by any means and this game didn't really peak my interest when announced.

That being said, I really do think that everyone needs to wait and see what the final product offers. I believe balancing and tweaking around the concept of 6 v 6 could make for a great game.

Should be interesting to see how this turns out at the end. This game brings up interesting questions about what "next-gen" games are all about.

Hope X1 owners get a nice, solid game.

[nukeitall]

I lived through the GHz wars when Intel put their R&D muscle into cramming as much GHz out as possible, and AMD eventually designed a more efficient chip with less GHz and won the war.

Point being, don't play numbers like pixel count or player count. Last I checked, high pixel count game like Crysis and high player count game lik MAG sucked balls!

I will judge the game when I play it, not based on a stupid number. It is the total experience that matters and Titanfalls looks like it will deliver!

@blacktar:

That is your opinion, and I got mine, but MAG was almost universally panned by critics (not just me):

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[BlackTar187]

MAG did not suck.

[creatchee]

MAG didn't suck, but it did prove that the number of players and the quality of a game are not directly proportionate.

[scott182]

You are using metacritic to show it's not a good game? With a score of 76 it is a better game than ryse, is that what you're saying?... what is your point?

It's obvious that player count doesn't determine a good multiplayer game, it just depends on what type of multiplayer experience they are going with. Battlefield and MAG are fast paced, large scale games, and it works. Gears of war, The last of us are a bit more slow and calculated and they work great....

[LeoDDestroyer]

Mag far from suck and critics are not the only thing that manners when judging games. Hell critics gave overwhelming praise for gta4 which I felt was a really boring game.

On the topic of player size the isn't the first game to criticize about this issue this gen. Killzone Shadowfall devs were questioned on why there could only be a max of 12 v 12 and there answer was similar to respawn regarding the ai of things like bots which would also be in the matches. A difference though is that kzsf matches can be customise.

End the end we just have to wait and see how it plays.

[BlackTar187]

Nuketail. Whats your PSN name?

You respond to a game does not suck with what other people rated it at from Meta? Come on man be a gamer for once and not a sheep to someone else's opinion. Didn't your mother ever tell you that everyone is different?

I also hate people like you who think a Meta score of 78 and a user score of 82 is bad at all. Kids these days you guys have no idea about how to judge games. When a C+ B- = Bad then you know you're a Paper gamer.

So Dead Rising 3 and Ryse are bad games right?

According to your logic every game on xbox one (PS4 has some higher rated games not exclusive) is a bad game except NBA and MLB

[DomceM]

Personally, I liked MAG.

[BitbyDeath]

Played the beta of MAG and it was brilliant, didn't buy it though cause no split-screen.

If they had that it would of sold a lot more copies.

[FlunkinMonkey]

To be honest, many of my favourite MP's including KZ2 where i opted for 4v4 matches were my favourite. Not an issue until i see anything negative otherwise.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

I'm with you. Fun factor. I wonder how many have played the game who are crying about this? I would say probably none. Women hold nothing on the emotional tantrums of the typical gamer. NeoGAF is like a bunch of women smacking each other with their purses.

[nukeitall]

lol!

That is pretty funny, albeit sexist. I give you a bubble for being funny, but take it back for being sexist.

So no bubble for you, but a nice chuckle!

[JohnnyTower]

Sexist can be funny too. Lighten up guy. For anything to ever be funny, there has to be a loser. In every joke ever made, there is a loser or someone getting picked on. From Chicken crossing the road to knock knock jokes. There is always someone losing.

[DomceM]

@giant crab

Wow. I misread the last word of your sentence. That provided for a lot of laughing lol.

[DeadRabbits]

They should be able to push up the player limit in time for Titanfall 2 on PS4 still early days for this franchise!

[n4rc]

Umm.. They aren't limited to 12 because of hardware.. They said they tried higher and lower and felt this was best for their vision..

So unless you invent some reason on your own.. They've been clear on their reasoning

[H0RSE]

It isn't a hardware issue, it is a design choice...

Titanfall will have dedicated servers, so there's no problem there

BF4 features much larger maps, real-time destruction, and more hardware intensive rendering techniques, as well as vehicles, and yet it running 64 man servers on X1 and PS4. Your argument is moot.

[MrPerfect813]

Except if they determine they dont want to because 6v6 is the best in their opinion. Every game is different and like everyone has been saying, MAG sucked.

[BlackTar187]

only 1 person said MAG sucks in this thread. Get out of here troll

[MrPerfect813]

Awesome, its official, i am troll because i have owned MAG for PS3 and read many references in many threads as it being the example of why high player counts dont matter because it did indeed suck. Look MAG was too big for its breaches and was a nice idea, but in the end it was mediocre at best.

[BlackTar187]

So now your definition of it sucks is that you've seen people say that on some random sites and that the validation you needed? I like how in your second comment after being called out on it is you now own it and played but were unable to state this originally when you said Other people say it sucks?

WHy do you only list your Xbox gamertag in your profile? Kinda weird right i mean if you're going to give one why not both? Seems kinda funny wouldn't you agree?

[MrPerfect813]

Well since you asked, I list my Xbox Gamertag because when i signed up for n4g i had at that point stop using my ps3. No I dont now own it, I use to own it, didnt much like it. It wasnt terrible but to me it was Eh. My definition of it sucking was my own experience with. I cited it because i have seen it mention in other threads and before seeing someone else mention it MAG was the furthest thing from my mind, one of those, of yeah, i remember that game. Wasnt my initial idea but when i saw someone else mention it, i was like yeah, high player count in that didnt matter, that is a good example, didnt feel right when i played it. My PSN Gamertag was MrPerfect813, which may or maynot be still active. There will be a lot of Madden, NBA, the show and Mass effect in the trophies list. I did have a tag before that, but made the mistake of return my console before deactivating it for repair and out of stupidity decided to just do a new tag instead of wanting on Sony. Look if you disagree with me that is cool. All i am saying is I would rather not have titanfall end up like MAG, which i think if it were half of its player count and had better organization more people including myself would have liked it.

[BlackTar187]

Dude,

Your ps3 Trophy card doesn't even have MAG on it. For clarification you don't need to have gotten a trophy to have it there just had to have loaded it up online.

Im calling BS. Like your original post was saying everyone (not including you)

[ALARM-clock]

No MAG = No credibility

http://psnprofiles.com/MrPe...

SMH

[from the beach]

Who reacts?

[H0RSE]

This "bigger is better" nonsense being spewed from the community, really illustrates their level of maturity and their actual level of experience with shooters, seeing as how competitive matches are typically low player counts, and those complaining seem be completely oblivious to this, you can assume that the majority of them know little to nothing of competition level play, outside of perhaps clan matches with friends on public servers... no league registration, no sanctioned exhibition matches, no tournaments, just pub stomps, and you can't really pub stomp with only 6 players on the opposing team - now things are balanced and s*** gets real...

I think one of the most comical statements I've seen is connecting high player counts to "next-gen," like the number of people playing makes a game next-gen... looks as though innovative concepts and gameplay take a backseat to native 1080p, 60fps and now apparently, large scale MP battles...it seems the communities expectations of what a "next-gen" game should be, are incredibly superficial and underwhelming.

[user9597082]

A lower cap usually provides a better experience. Does anyone remember resistance 2s awful multiplayer. You couldn't move without getting shot

[H0RSE]

This was actually addressed by someone at Respawn:

"...Beyond 6v6 and it quickly turned into much more of a random mosh pit of “How did I die?” and feeling like there was nothing that could have been done to NOT die. Thats an important distinction to make."

full quote - http://www.lazygamer.net/xb...

[BitbyDeath]

If they made the levels bigger that would not have been a problem.

Respawn had a choice, make bigger levels or cut player count.

They clearly took the easy way out.

[feraldrgn]

It's an exclusive COD with mechs, it's going to sell bucket loads.

[Fireseed]

You know for some reason... I'm not entirely sure as to why that is... I'm going to trust Vince Zampella, over kiddies on the internet when it comes to game design.

[strickers]

It felt best? Why not have variable game size? Other games do it and you don't upset people. After all, it's not a technical reason ;-). I prefer bigger teams in shooters . Maybe because I'm not great at them and don't have hours to devote to it.

[DomceM]

the vision argument is nonsense. They are hardware limited. Prolly b/c of 360.

If more players dont work b/c it feels cramped, you increase map size. The game feels right when there is the right ratio of People vs map size.

Saying that they had to do 6v6 is for design is just a cop out imo. What prevents them from upscaling that 6v6 by tripling the number of players and tripling the map size so the ratio is the same?

It would feel exactly the same, and be more epic.

Game is gimped, because they needed more sales from 360 owners. Obv it cant handle huge mechs that are so detailed crawling around larger maps at the same graphic settings.