Halo 4 Principal Engine Architect and coder extraordinaire Corrinne Yu changed camps yesterday, after being hired by Naughty Dog to work on PS4 games.
Yu did great things on the Halo team, creating new lighting techniques, and inventing new dynamic radiosity algorithms. She now took to Twitter to express her excitement about what she’ll be able to do on PS4 as a “Pedal to the metal” coder.
Corrinne Yu, Graphics Code and Animator currently working on Uncharted 4: A Thief's End, and talked about graphics difference between TLOU: Remastered vs Uncharted 4, whether or not future PS4 games will look better with respect to graphics/visuals than UC4, The Order: 1886 and Uncharted 4 Drake's character model polygon count comparison with Ryse: Son of Rome and Others.
"I further quizzed Yu on Drake's Character model comparison to that of Infamous: Second Son "120K Polygons", Ryse: Son of Rome "85K Polygons" and The Order: 1886 "100K Polygons", and Yu admitted that she supports super high polygon count on character model but other factors such as "skin and muscles and shaders" are also important."
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Uncharted 4 might not have a very high polygon count (still high enough to look impressive, though) because they are targeting 1080p/60fps.
@ThatOneGuyThere: To be fair that was just a trailer with very a close up view on the face. I highly doubt that the actual in game model will look this highly detailed once there are multiple characters on screen and once there is more going on in general.
If however Naughty Dog somehow manages to pull off this quality at 1080p/60fps with some kind of sorcery, consider my mind irreversibly blown.
@Malphite - it's not 'just a trailer' it's an in-game cut scene, granted the playable model might not look quite as good as the cut scene one. Plus 'trailer' never dips below 60fps
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@PX54
Dude, it IS a trailer.a Sure its in engine, but you can't call it an in-game cut scene because we don't know if this scene will actually appear in the game. It may be one they just put together for a teaser.
@Zhipp
In game cutscene just means they used the game engine real time to render it. He never said that scene would be in the game or not.
@N4GDgAPc
No it doesn't.
In-game cutscenes no way reflect the in-game engine. Look at TLOU on PS3.
The cutscenes used a far higher poly count than in-game.
Same will be true with Uncharted 4, nobody is willing to accept it.
No game ever created has the same graphics in-game as a CGI cutscene, or even an "in-game" render, regardless of what the devs say.
If it's not been done on PC exclusives, it sure as hell hasn't been done on consoles.
I don't care about the down-votes, I 100% guarantee that Uncharted 4 will not look as good as the E3 reveal.
Logic and history alone dictates that. E3 is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS a lie of the final product at reveal. There's always downgrading. Every game ever.
Console fans were drooling over the new Batman and Far Cry 4.
Turns out, those were on PC. Same with BF4 etc the year before.
E3 is just one massive lie. Nothing but clips specifically stripped of extra content of the final game, to let the hardware have enough power to make the game look as amazing as possible.
Hope you played the game to make that comment. Cause its better than the reviews say.
It's ok. I don't think it was great, but it's far from as horrible as a lot of reviews say. You can tell it just wasn't as polished as it could've been.
Reviews are all subjective opinion, just because you enjoyed it better than most reviewers doesn't mean the next guy will. All in all i feel the game is likely not bad and much closer to an average title.
Ryse better than reviews gave it credit for? Yeah okay. That's your opinion. I have one as well. Ryse should have been delayed a year.
The combat mechanics were archaic (way too simplistic), the game had performance issues across the board (juddering, stuttering, slowdown, frames dropping left and right, panning / camera issues), was linear and repetitive. It did have a decent story and showed promise. Which is why I said it should've been delayed. Given time Ryse could have been so much more. It felt so rushed and unpolished like most of MS exclusives this generation.
Oh and I played the game.
i have both consoles and yes i have played the game, i traded it in the week after it was boring and its not all that.
ryse is better than reviews your right,looks great and good story,just controls a little repetative.
(ps4 gamer by way but praise were its due)
Many games will fit that description... But why question ND's design/technical direction, is it because of this article:
http://n4g.com/news/1561938...
I see lots of Xbox One Fanbois boasting in the thread and deny any performance issue, so predictable, lol.
I could careless ryse won a graphics award, titles like TLOU will have 200+ more to throw it back in their faces.
Hmm, no definitive answer, but that's likely because they're still working on the game, and have another 1+ year to go.
My guess would be that the in-engine character model would be around 200k polygons, with the in-game model being around 100k - 120k for now.
Drake in U2 was 80k polys in-engine, and around half of that in game depending on the outfit 37k - 45k.
Uncharted 3 Drake and Joel were probably around 50k polygons each in-game. So double that and you're at 100k, and double that for in-engine and you're at 200k.
If the PS4 ends up growing to a similar level as the PS3 did, then we can expect a 50% performance increase 3 - 5 years into the generation (the same jump from UC1 -> UC2). This would make UC5 Drake should be around 150k - 180k poly in-game, and 300k in-engine.
Better looking you silly. Delson from Infamous only has 120k poly's in cutscenes and photo mode, not in game like Ryse which is the same throughout. Ryse was just ok, I expect Uncharted 4 to be much much better of a game!
Is talking over Twitter what passes for journalism now? Hell, I was a journalist and didn't even know it.
sometimes these comments get ridiculous and out of hand but sometimes i find it informative but IMO thats only so if the developer has to state something that has to do with the games they are working on.
Naughty Dog's graphics coder Corrinne Yu is considered one of the most prominent experts in the industry in tweaking graphics engines for performance and glitz, even due to her previous work as Principal Engine Programmer in Microsoft's Halo team.
It's getting a little tiresome hearing about 60 FPS like it's some brand new revelation in the games industry...
Things are never a big deal until consoles catch up. . just gonna have to live with it ^_^
Brand new for consoles. Still tiresome as heck though. Fps is function over fashion for me. Over 30 and i'm happy. One sensitizes to fps and resolution really quickly so it barely matters anyway when it's lower/ higher.
Brand new? Sonic Adventure in 1998 was 60fps and, at the time, looked better than PC games.
I think there were over 100 games that run at 60fps on the PSOne (like Tekken1, 2 and 3). Nothing brand new about it.
Agreed, Batman (wow, don't get to say that every day...)
I remember playing TONS of PS1 and even PS2 games that were a solid 60fps. I remember playing a few racing games on PS1 and Dreamcast that had actual cheat codes to boost the framerate to 60fps, at the cost of a small dip in visual quality. The inverse was also true on some games: a code that lowered the framerate down to 30fps but increased the visual fidelity. I remember Gran Turismo 1 had a "High Res" option.
TL;DR: 60fps is nothing new for consoles. Only the CoD Kiddie Generation would think otherwise.
When I wrote that comment up there, I was on the cusp of adding "brand new for HD 3D games, that is." Because obviously plenty of games have been 30FPS or above.
I decided to leave that clause out, and within a day, a ton of disagrees jump on the tiny crack in my argument... It was clear what I meant. This fucking website, man.
It certainly isn't new. I think the media is making a fuss is because the new consoles are now able to output native 1080p and 60fps.
If you see my comment above, I knew that. Because it's blindingly obvious. I thought I wouldn't have to clarify that, obviously, plenty of console games have been 60FPS. I was referring to current-gen stuff, namely since high-FPS became some massively important talking point.
Most console gamers on this site don't look to or appreciate anything outside of their preferred console. Look at how much they bash each other and downplay games that's not on their console. Look at all the great indie games and big dev games that get port and now they love. I bet you now they will respect Carmack just because this. where as we pc gamers take info and research then give an opinion.
@gamercologyst
He wasn't right to say it like that but he was mainly saying game play is the most important thing. Why are you playing games if it's not to have fun. He focuses on the tech of God engine because that's what he's great at. It not a one man team that makes a great game if you really felt that way why are you waiting for no man's sky it has no story at all. I'm not saying I agree with everything he say and do but it should be common sense what he is talking about. Gamers love fun games. A lot of people best selling and love game is not the best graphical games. And that's one of the reasons they wouldn't last on console yell go to the next new or graphical games.
@pan
Devs use this as new marketing because they know there are a lot of fun boys spreading the word. They are easily manipulated. All you have to do is say res and frame rate the fanboys will do the rest in spreading the hype. Look at watch dogs the Devs didn't spread the hype the fanboys did. They just was excited about their game and the fanboys used it to compare how powerful the consoles was different. Half of last year that game was off the radar but as soon as they said it was a difference in res people started talking about it. Pub and Devs know how to get these gamers. And most of the level headed gamers when it comes to these tactics are pic gamers because saying that we will no be impressed because we were doing it a long time ago.
And you want to say something about fanboys with this name and your stealth troll in every single console article? I don't want to be rude or something, but you are one of the biggest idiots of here.
Ha I did make this name to piss people off but most of what I say is to wake people up because why we fight these companies are getting over on us. I definitely don't hide my hate for ps fanboys since I use to be a ps fan. People get mad that I point out contradictions and you on of them. Ps fanboys are running rampant on this site
I agree, 60fps is so overrated. Differences between 30 and 60 are minimal at best.
I don't know how many 60fps games you've played, but in my experience the difference is very big. I guess to each their own.
To me it largely depends on the game how much of a difference it makes. Side by side, you can usually tell, but functionally it depends on other factors, such as visual references. TLOU is very noticeable, but something Journey probably wouldn't be as much because there's not as much movement any given time.
Why do people say this??? It would take a blind person to not be able to tell the difference.. -_-
Sounds like when people say 1280x720 looks the same as 1920x1080. There is a difference but not every game needs it
30FPS is smooth as butter for me, if seeing better is an impairment then this is one I wouldn't want to give up.
Replies(3)stop hyping this bi*** she is getting all the credits for last of us and everybody knows that the work was from the ice-team and other developers at naugthy dog ...its really a shame that she got the credit for things she didn't contribute at all and all the hype about uncharted 4 engine it was written by somebody else she is only overseeing the project nothing more and thats why many guys leaves naughty dogs because this women is geting all the credits even for games she wasn't a part of it
dude i worked with that women for 4 years before and believe it or not she is nothing ....what she is claiming never was true
she is married one of the directors at gearbox she gains power only because of her husband and in interview she credit everything to her self even the first borderlands was delayed because of her bad coding and the engine was a total disaster thats why we switched to unreal engine and we took a cell shading
Sounds like you worked for the women instead of with that women.
Was she your superior or something?
I dont see why you are so jealous of her that you have to spread BS about your ex boss. Just be happy that she's working at Naughtydogs instead of your studio.
she never was my superior , she was a co-worker you can ask anybody at naughty dogs or even at 343 studios if she really deserve the credits for that work or not and you will be really surprised what they will say about her ...
@blackbirdie
You were probably just the janitor then. I refuse to believe that a programmer with a college education can't even make comments that are grammatically correct on N4G.
I dont see any proof that you even worked with her in the first place.
What is your full name and position in the company, when you used to work with her. No name person spreading FUD is not respectable at all.
The way I see it, a reputation can draw people in. Only those who've worked with her would know what really goes on. In my case, I'm on the outside looking in, I see a tweet here or there and all of sudden the web explodes. I can help but feel that people use those kind of sites for power trips in addition to hype.
It's also one of the reasons why folks keep coming back to n4g, people love rumors, regardless of it being true or not.
Gateway MT6706 2008
No decent game developer is going to hire someone who can't piece together simple sentences. You have never worked with Corrinne Yu.
Believe it or not the majority of the earth's population speaks languages other than English. America is not the world.
That comment was completely unnecessary here. This person clearly speaks English, fluently.
What makes you think I'm an American, anyway? I could be British. I could be from any country, really. English is a popular language.
Get off your "America sucks" pedestal.
@voodoochild346
Making the baseless assumption that because person X on the internet speaks english they must be American?
Therefore because they're American they think America is the world?
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so why don't inspire to Carmack About the Story Driven games?
"Story in a game is like a story in a porn movie. It's expected to be there, but it's not that important." - John Carmack
if you downvote me it wouldn't change the fact that you don't like Videogames and everything you care is Graphic and Story Deal With it
you're not a gamer i'm sorry you're just another dumbed down casual gamer
There's nothing wrong in having a good Story and Graphics if that doesnt affect the gameplay. sadly, it does affect the gameplay most of the time.
But for me, I always ask how good the "gameplay" is, and never really care how "realistic" it look, or how "amazing" the story is.
Kojima productions and naughty dog with tlou seem to be the only ones who can push graphics, story, and gameplay very very hard imo
I agree with you, Carmack has seriously lost the plot over the last decade!
His comments regarding pretty much everything have been mindblowingly stupid for someone that is so talented!
even if corrinne yu was inspired by the pope , she doesn't work on stories , she's a graphic coder
Same goes for John Carmack , he's a programmer not a story writter , who cares..
I wish every game would aim for 60fps even if it would come at a cost of graphics... Good that ND has taken this approach, TLOU multiplayer is fantastic at 60fps.
If you're playing The Last of Us Remastered you possibly noticed that the game suffers from pop-in issues in certain areas. Basically when you walk close to some elements of the environment they just "pop" into view. Other items "fade" into view and more flicker between being visible and invisible. All those glitches, while minor, can be a little disturbing. Naughty Dog programmer Corrinne Yu, which is well known for being an industry-wide expert in graphics engineering, gave an in-depth explanation also explaining how she learned more about the PS4 GPU and promising to do better, also inspired by all the pictures sent by fans.
The only one I noticed during my play through was the palette appearing / disappearing in the water. It's such a shame because this sort of thing is literally the only thing about the ps4 remaster that doesn't stack up to the ps3 version - while everything else is better.
Ya, I on the other hand have seen every one shown and also a tree that faded away as u moved away but not the ones right next to it lol. I'm only a third way through too which sucks a lil.
However, there isn't anything i have seen that has made me regret buying it again. Great freaking game and even better looking when you don't have these issues...that literaly every game has some example of.
Edit: i will say this. When i move forward and try to slightly turn left or right my character stutters. Like full on stutter, start complete stop, start complete stop. Now that i could see driving me nuts during the coming hectic parts.
c'mon some of that is pretty crappy work. we know they are better. really sucks for those who bought it twice. they never showed gameplay, this is why. no matter how you turn it, its shady.
i remember: the last of us looks amazing, more amazing screen shots from the last of us, it looks like it was made for ps4. That last one is insulting to infamous ss. hell, ac black flag looks better than tlou remastered imo.
should have left it alone untill your heart was back in it. now this is how your game will be remembered. smh cause it really is a good game. its the business side thats making it look ugly. cashing in on our love for it. it shows in your final work.
Replies(2)i have nopticed entire walls pop up,go from blank grey to having windows,doors etc.
my 1st time n games awesomeso far
I had a issue in the beginning, when you're leaving the quarantine zone and first come across the infected in the abandoned building and progressing through the spores. In the dark, it looked all oily. I couldn't make out anything actually. It was weird. Then I finally made it back outside in the daylight and it took a little while for the game to "load" that section of game play.
Good because I am going or was going to upload the draw distance bug to them.
It is a flicker of light that appears depending on DOF. If you look straight up into the sky in the beginning of "FALL" the trees will disappear and only the clouds will be visible.
It's not bad but it is present.
The game has several glitches. For instance, during one of the segments of the game that involve the use of the pallets, if you make Joel jump on top of it, the game will lock up and freeze. That's just one of many glitches that i've come across. It's still an enjoyable game to play though.
The fact that they had to port the game from a very complex and clunky architecture, to ps4, is not an easy job. They still did a pretty good job.
The odd pop in...still looks and plays brilliantly, great job by Naughty Dog, would have been some big tech hurdles to get over converting from PS3...
At least it's getting acknowledged. There's a lot of issues with the remastered version.
There's this pop-up issue, the occasional completely missing texture that just shimmers white. The lighting which occasionally decides it's going to change randomly (effect filter pop-in).
Then there's all the issues in multiplayer regarding stats, mic not working, the wrong team winning when the round ends & it clears all your kills(really annoying when your doing survivor missions & you've achieved your checklist).
Luckily the multiplayer issues at least on the server side are getting fixed quickly. I'll be happier when the mic issue is completely sorted though!
None of these issues were in the PS3 version which is another reason I have a gripe with the remaster pricing.
It's getting acknowledged AFTER the game is released.
That's disgusting. Obviously, they should have known about this issue before.
None of the previews mentioned it. None of the reviews have mentioned it. That's ridiculous.
Clearly it's noticeable, yet the developers only 'acknowledge' it after the game has been sold and people are getting upset about it, and why previews and reviews didn't bother mentioning it, is almost at least as questionable, as far as I'm concerned. It's their job to inform potential customers!
To be fair I've got to agree with you. We were told many lies prior to launch which is why I've now only got 2 bubbles left because I wouldn't let people forget or ignore them.
I am glad though that they have acknowledged these because at least some of them may get fixed. The fact that Corrinne Yu has said she knows about this & will learn from it in future is disgusting though I agree because she is one that fed us a lot of the crap prior to release, she's not the only one though as to be honest the majority of the straight out lies came from guys in the ND PR department.
I feel like this is the real reason no gameplay was shown, and not because of the bs "60 fps not being done justice" excuse we kept hearing. Trouble is anytime it was brought up the fanboys would eat you alive.
I like the game and I'm enjoying it, but I've experienced a lot of what is shown. I've also been bumped into by Bill and knocked across the screen until I hit a fence.
For some reason I can't edit my post, but I wanted to add that I also have a problem with Ellie disappearing for long periods of time leaving me to explore alone. After a while shes just instantly by my side again, having come from nowhere.
And yet five people disagreed with you.
/facepalm
The people here are so pathetic its not even funny.
It seems no one has yet to bring up frame drops still. which plagued the 'perfect' ps3 version. I wonder how bad they are on the ps4 version.
"Then there's all the issues in multiplayer regarding stats, mic not working, the wrong team winning when the round ends & it clears all your kills(really annoying when your doing survivor missions & you've achieved your checklist)."
I'm on week 8 and never experienced any of these problems listed. My only problem is the length of finding a lobby, but that was acknowledged and will be fixed soon.
I noticed this too, absolute disgrace to be honest. I understand its still and excellent game and I pre-ordered it of PSN here in UK (1am unlock come on!) but I was disappointed by a few things in the game, I understand things like this happen but they already had this game made before this. I guess I'm just bitter because I've paid for it twice and expected no problems, I hope these get patched ASAP.
I expect disagrees for no reason, maybe some accusations that I haven't played it (check my psn profile). I'm just saying my opinion, I loved TLoU, still do, I just wish the remaster was more polished, the motion blur, frame drops and pop-ins are really distracting in single player.
Maybe you're gonna get disagrees because calling it an "absolute disgrace" is the very soul of hyperbole.
That tends to be a little more than "no reason" :D
It's hard to say it's not a disgrace though, this is Naughty Dog, they are top-tier, God-tier even, these problems weren't in the PS3 version, this is why it's annoying. I was really looking forward to this and while it's still great it should have been perfected for launch.
At the end of the day,this is a disgrace.How many play test runs have ND had before release,and they didn't pick up on these things or just decided to ignore until after release.It's the DICE/EA/BF4 bullshit.Launch it now fix it later.For a Dev like ND who think there the Dogs Balls in development this is piss poor.Before you know it every Dev has the same attitude.
LMAO these are minor glitches/bugs SHEESH! i dont think people realise that the fact that Naughty dog got this game working on the PS4 at a steady 60fps native 1080p so fast is amazing! seriously this games engine and code used the cell processor extensively and most people know the cell and its programming was very exotic!!
The fact they got the game running so well on PS4 so fast is pretty great! i for one would gladly take these minor bugs/glitches if it means more games will be native 1080p at a steady 60fps and still look and play as awesome as the last of us.
I understand people can find things like these bugs annoying but they are so minor in comparison say to Titanfall which is a X1 console exclusive and still has constant screen tearing whenever you touch the right stick to look around and also it has LOTS of frame rate drops when more then 1 titan is on screen! That to me for a newly launched supposed next gen console is unacceptable! especially when the developers are known for creating great 60fps games with limited hardware!
Seriously no one was forced to play or buy the TLOUR, people could have easily bought the PS3 version used and cheap and which still looks better then allot of next gen games!
I think the fact you are calling this a total disgrace says allot about u as a gamer.
The game is AWESOME, and i find it funny how people have come to expect near flawless games from naughty dog which i suppose makes some sense since they are one of, if not THE BEST developer in the world!!!
But people need to understand last gen games and game engines where more cpu focused and less gpu intensive since last gen consoles both had powerful cpu's and pretty mediocre/weak gpu's! its why allot of last gen games used the cell to offload tasks.
But this new gen the new consoles have stronger gpu's and weaker cpu's and so until games and the game engines are coded to take advantage of the gpgpu more as opposed to the cpu we will end up with bad or average last gen games.
The PS4 has a gpgpu which can do cpu tasks and so once devs start to use the gpgpu better games should perform even better!
Its the same problem which wii u had, the wii u has weak cpu, but has a gpgpu to back it up similar to the PS4 but because last gen ports on wii u were more cpu intensive and didn't use the gpgpu functions we got mediocre and bad ports.
Things should improve for all 3 new gen consoles.
Take a chill pill people! this game runs and looks stunning, yes it has flaws as do ALL GAMES!
I do hope these issues get patched.
i think ppl are upset bc no one mentioned it till it was sold. prior all you heard from nd was them beating their chests that anything under 60 fps was inferior, 1080p, blah blah. maybe we shouldnt be so mad at nd but more at the reviewers and previewers that said nothing.
Posts like this are depressing to read, because I feel like you're understanding of game related news is 'sony = good, not sony = bad'
@Kenshin_BATT0USAI
THATS BULL!! look at my avatar pic i game on all platforms unlike allot of N4G keyboard warriors!
look at my comment history before you make such a baseless comment about me!! yes i am human,and i have preference's but when Sony drop the ball i call it out! i dont care about the down votes from fan boys.
If Sony, Nintendo or M.S screw up i call it out!
So your comment is complete rubbish aimed at me.
@PumpkinEater69
dude i too play it often and i admit since update 4 and 5 screen tearing has decreased and the frame rate is more stable as i have mentioned on previous posts of mine again check peoples comment history! while i admit it has improved it still tears and drops frame rate too much! i play it EVERY NIGHT! for a supposed AAA shooter which is a fps a locked 60fps or near enough is CRUCIAL! the frame rate is just not stable enough hence why most competitive pro gamers have dropped it like a bad habit! it should never have been released in the state that it was.
And regardless of the slow optimising which i do applaud respawn for regardless the game is far from where it should be!
@oneluckybullet
I agree reviewers should point these things out but that is the industry which is at fault as a whole. I am just saying that these are minor problems in the grand scheme of things! PS3 cell intensive games like naughty dog games are very complex and getting them ported to PS4 so fast is commendable.
People have a right to be upset i just think people are over reacting compared to some of the other things going on in gaming.
I only expect flawless when the reviews are all perfect scores with hardly any cons listed. It's an awesome game all the same though.
The only bugs I've noticed in my playthrough have been while grabbing enemies few times, while trying to strangle they teleport like 5 meters away from me which was a bit confusing ;).
Don't remember if it happened to me before on PS3 though. But only happened two times with Remastered so far, so no big deal. Other than that been a perfect adventure once again :D . I don't let minor things to stop me from enjoying this game.
Yeah I was like what the heck, where is the dude :O... and then saw Ellie kicking his ass lol. :D
Oh she fine as hell ;P.Let's see if she can keep up with the big dogs :).
Can't wait to see what she/ND do with code to metal & GPGPU.
ND's PS4 game is going to be beast! Hell, all 1st party PS4 games will be beast!!!
So it means, PS4 itself is a coding platform. Can't wait to see what she can do.
I so excite