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Beyond: Two Souls, Review | Den of Geek

The outstanding graphics and phenomenal acting of Beyond Two Souls can’t save the game from its awful script. Here is Den of Geek's full review.

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GentlemenRUs4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

*facepalm*

I bet they gave CoD a 10...

KUV19774239d ago

Well, at least CoD does what it advertizes very well, so it deserves a high rating in its frame of reference. Beyond advertizes super-emotional engaging story and then delivers a cliche-ridden nonsensical approximation of a story... just as it did with Heavy Rain.

DragonKnight4239d ago

Looks like KUV1977 reviewed the game and probably CoD as well given the nearly identical quote used in his comment and the review.

That anyone can give CoD a 9 for anything other than "successfully allows you to turn your brain off" and then give Beyond a 6.8 (because an 8th of a point is a real score /s) is laughably stupid and incredibly wrong.

KUV19774239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

I didn't even read the review but I find it amusing how a bad review is always faulty and a great one is right. I am also not a great CoD-Fan and would personally give CoD around a 7 but with CoD I can see how a fan of twitchy shooters can love the game. So who is the target-group for Beyond? People who enjoy story-driven games, yet Cage just can't write good stories. QDs games are technically great but they should hire a good writer and not let Cage write that cringeworthy stuff.

DragonKnight4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

By whose standard but your own do you gauge David Cage's story telling capability? On what authority do you believe you have the right make a claim such as that?

Just like I can sit here and say that CoD is trash, and you can regurgitate the review of Beyond (funny you say you didn't read it despite the use of the exact words the review author used), neither is anything more than subjective opinion and yet here you are stating what you think to be an absolute fact.

So tell me. When someone enjoys the story of Beyond, are you right or are they right?

@Below: A review that isn't as good as I want it to be (keeping in mind I never stated my actual opinion on the review) isn't necessarily wrong by default. It's wrong when it's wrong. A 6.8 is wrong by default. A .8? Really? Anyway, care to answer the question? Your statement said the story was nonsensical and cliche. So what if someone didn't see it that way? Is the story still nonsensical and cliche?

KUV19774239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

I am stating my opinion and you are free to have a different one. Good for you. I just find it very funny that a review that is not as great as you want it to be must be wrong by default. You are the one who is not tolerating different opinions. I stand by my opinion and I don't understand yours. I am not saying you must or should change it. I also don't care if you believe whether I have read the review or not. Using the same phrases to describe the game just goes to show that neither the author nor I am alone in this opinion. Also check Metacritic and read other user-reviews for more of both opinions.

EDIT: Now I read parts of the review. You doubt my statement because I used the words cliche and nonsensical? Right, those words should never come to anyone's mind after playing Beyond. If you check my comments-history you will see that I posted very similar comments days ago.

DragonKnight4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

And one final time. You say the story is cliched and nonsensical. In fact your tone suggests that that's an absolute truth.

So if someone like the story and doesn't think it's cliched or nonsensical, are they wrong and you're right?

@Below: Doesn't work that way. There is no authority in subjectivity.

So you get the question as well. Considering that it's obvious that you also believe the story to be poor, are you right and someone who doesn't think of it as poor wrong?

Does your lack of enjoyment of the story mean no one can enjoy it, or that if they do they simply don't know what a good story is and thus don't know what to REALLY enjoy and what to hate by consensus?

Neckbear4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

"By whose standard but your own do you gauge David Cage's story telling capability? On what authority do you believe you have the right make a claim such as that?"

Anyone who has seen a well-written movie, anyone who has read a classic book, and anyone who has seen a good television series has the right to make that claim.

Try, for example, comparing Beyond to Donnie Darko: both tales pertain to a coming of age genre, yet only one does it believably while mantaining an overarching supernatural plot and not falling flat on its face, with believable dialogue and characters.

Guess which one it is?

In storytelling, there's some sort of chance for a "your mileage may vary" when it comes to story points and revelations, yet generally people tend to agree on what makes a great story and what doesn't, disregarding personal opinions to have a solid consensus on what's good writing, good development, and more.

This is why literary and visual classics exist, from movies like The Good, The Bad and The Ugly; City of God or Apocalypse Now, to books like It; The Adventures of Huckeberry Flinn; 1984; War and Peace, to comic books like Watchmen, to videogames like, well, not Beyond, that's for sure.

Ducky4239d ago

It's quite funny to see someone call another person stupid for giving CoD a 9...

... but then tries to chastise someone else when they say Cage is a bad writer.

DragonKnight4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

@Ducky: Ah, I've been expecting you. Your appearances are predictable.

Yes, I did call someone stupid for giving CoD a 9 because CoD is the same game all the time and gets a pass for what other games don't. After awhile of the same game getting the same scores you start to notice that it's not even about the game anymore and it becomes quite easy to state that CoD doesn't deserve the scores it gets. But a new IP is different.

But, am I chastising someone for saying David Cage is a bad writer, or for stating that Beyond has a nonsensical/cliched/bad story as some kind of universally known and accepted consensus?

Did I not ask the question of if one person says that about the story, and yet another person doesn't think that way, which is right?

Ah but I forget your style of commenting. It doesn't matter what I say, you've latched on to something now and are going to argue about it in the same way you always do.

Ducky4239d ago

I don't see where KUV said that it was a universally accepted fact.
Was pretty obvious to me that he was giving an opinion.

It's not an unpopular opinion either. Plenty of reviewers have criticized Beyond's story.

If someone else likes it, then that's great that they get to enjoy it. I believe KUV still has the right to express his opinion if he didn't enjoy it.
... something which seems to bother you, all the while you call others 'stupid' for enjoying what they like.

Double-standards seem to be your thing.
You accuse others of latching on to something and arguing it, while irony stares you right in the face.

KUV19774238d ago

Well, even if you misread my first post as 'stating an obvious fact' I clarified explicitly that I was stating an opinion, that I couldn't understand how one would think Beyond has a great story, and - get this - how everyone is free to have a different opinion, even though I don't understand it. What I find problematic is that you try to put me into a corner where I look like an ignorant fool, when several people unable to accept a review stating the game is poor are supported in their view. I even referred to Metacritic for more of BOTH opinions, to support the fact that both a good and a bad view of this game exists. I did this just to demonstrate that my view is just as valid as yours (minus the 'people with other opinions are stupid' bit). I certainly wouldn't have send you to a place where there are a ton of tens for this game - again which I don't understand - if I had tried to maintain a position that my opinion is the only right one.

DragonKnight4238d ago (Edited 4238d ago )

@Ducky: "I don't see where KUV said that it was a universally accepted fact.
Was pretty obvious to me that he was giving an opinion."

He didn't literally say "it's a universally accepted fact" and I didn't say that he said that explicitly. I said "as some kind of universally known and accepted consensus" due to the tone of not only his opinion on the game, but others in this very thread with the same sentiment. Despite how he says "I just couldn't understand how people think the story is good" he didn't say that until called out for stating that Beyond doesn't deliver on what it advertises. There was no "in my opinion" or "to me" it was stated outright as though it should have been the logical conclusion anyone came to.

And when I consistently asked if his opinion is the right one when someone doesn't think that the game delivers that kind of story, he instead just points me to metacritic to show me other opinions of people who have the same one as him (and yes others that don't) as if to say "well other people think the same way so I must be right." So I guess the opinions of people who didn't feel that way were wrong then, but still valid right?

"If someone else likes it, then that's great that they get to enjoy it. I believe KUV still has the right to express his opinion if he didn't enjoy it.
... something which seems to bother you, all the while you call others 'stupid' for enjoying what they like."

I like when people like you use the phrase "something which seems to bother you." You have to attach emotion to internet conversation or else you can't comprehend what others say or why they say it. I also like how you try to twist the reasoning into me attacking what people enjoy all while ignoring that I have been asking about the people who enjoy Beyond this whole time. Nowhere did I say someone can't express their opinion, I in fact have been asking about the opposite spectrum the whole time, but let's forget that because it doesn't fit in to your "you are bothered with people's opinions" argument.

"Double-standards seem to be your thing.
You accuse others of latching on to something and arguing it, while irony stares you right in the face."

Irony. Glad you brought it up actually. You're here right now bathed in it. You're attacking me for stating that giving CoD a 9 and Beyond a 6.8 is stupid, all while having been upset that people didn't pay enough attention to the death of Hiroshi Yamauchi and instead N4G had an article about PS4's stacked on top of each other. It obviously bothered you that you felt that Yamauchi's death was more important and yet no one was paying it the attention you would have liked so, hey why not post a sarcastic comment indicting everyone on N4G for a lack of respect and priorities.

Because EVERYONE who is a gamer should know who Yamauchi was, and cry like babies over his death, and if there isn't an entire week filled with R.I.P Yamauchi comments then you'll be unhappy right? Pot meet Kettle.

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Upstate89874238d ago

Excluding Black Ops 2 (which I reviewed for Den of Geek, and yes it is a high quality title), those other reviews are from the UK site, just imported to US site before they had any writers.

But, my point is that you're judging one writer's review (in this case Jason Gallagher) based on the reviews and opinions of another reviewer on the site (Me...Robert Bernstein).

Your argument is not sound.

goldwyncq4239d ago

Stop bringing up COD everytime someone gives this game a negative review. That's no different to the "You don't like the music that I like, so you must be a Bieber fan" type of logic.

_QQ_4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

David cage writes B movies, thats all there is to it, if a game is nothing but story then it better have a damn good one to be an 8,9 or 10/10.For people giving this game 10/10 your telling me it stacks up against starwars,The GodFather,Once Upon a Time in the West, or Lord Of The Rings? for people saying its a 9 or 8 thats basically saying its on par with The Artist, Good will hunting, No Country for Old Men,Butch cassidy and the Sundance kid,The Dark knight, or other movies of that level? No Way.

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corvusmd4239d ago

It's funny how all the PS run sites or PS fanboys that review this game give it a 10, then all the unbiased sources give it like a 6-7

kratos_TheGoat4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

beyond 2 soul is not a 10 but a 6.8 hell no beyond 2 soul i give it 9.2 for a fact that i love the game. but i bet money u didn't even play the game troll

Half-Mafia4239d ago

By that logic shouldn't IGN and Gamespot reviews score be the other way round.

SpiralTear4239d ago

"Beyond: Two Souls’ story is a clichéd, nonsensical, boring mess that will make you cringe."

This is the first review I've read of Beyond: Two Souls that says this. A huge majority of the reception I've heard say that the story is very original and creative and is the best part all around, with much of the criticism coming from the gameplay. Kinda hard to take this review seriously, in that respect.

KUV19774239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

Then read more reviews. The story is very often criticized for being nonsensical and full of cliche. Cage tries to hard to force 'emotions, emotions, emotions'. It's just not believable.

DragonKnight4239d ago (Edited 4239d ago )

You're a fan of regurgitation aren't you?

@Below: Re-read your comments in this very thread.

KUV19774239d ago

Interesting... Could you elaborate?

smokeyjoekenobi4239d ago

Exactly, It's like people want it valued on It's own merits, which by most accounts would be the story and then when anyone with half a brain calls it out for having a wafer thin, pretentious story suddenly no one gets this high-brow work of genius! Sorry you can't have it both ways, it's either an interactive story or a video game through and through.

ifritAlkhemyst4239d ago

There is a difference between story and storytelling, something I don't think is clarified often enough. The story itself may be interesting, but it may be told in a way that is cliched, nonsensical, and boring.

Which frankly, all sound exactly like Cage's MO.

SpiralTear4238d ago

I agree: there is definitely a difference between what a narrative presents and how a narrative presents.

While I haven't played Beyond: Two Souls myself just yet, I'm kind of on the fence to give it a shot. I hate QTE's and find them more distracting to an engaging story than contributory, but I am a fan of films like Memento that skew chronological continuity with their storytelling. From what I've read, Beyond does that a lot, so I might give it a go.

Viking_Socrates4239d ago

Personally I've really enjoyed Beyond immensely and could care less about the positive or negative reviews about the game.

ChipChipperson4239d ago

Who the fuck disagrees with Viking's comment?! This is the attitude people should have when they enjoy a game nowadays.

DragonKnight4239d ago

It's like I was asking above. If you like a game that people try to state, as fact, has a nonsensical/cliched story; you're wrong even if you enjoyed it and they're right. You just don't know any better and shouldn't enjoy a game that some other person thinks has a nonsensical/cliched story.

Come on now, that's "Opinion Swaying" 101.

nope1114239d ago

6.8 is pretty generous. Biggest disappointment of the year for me :(

Shame really, i enjoyed David's previous games.

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‘Beyond: Two Souls’ Video Game Getting TV Series Adaptation By Elliot Page’s Pageboy

Elliot Page and Quantic Dream are developing a television series adaptation based on the video game Beyond: Two Souls.

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thorstein111d ago

Ever since Heavy Rain, I've been supporting Quantic Dream. They put heart and soul into their work and create art.

That art might not be for everyone, but it's polished, well designed and engaging for those that enjoy it.

Dirty_Lemons110d ago

I bought Heavy Rain just to play on my brother's PS3 each weekend, travelled home from uni just to finish it. What a great experience!

Cacabunga110d ago

Heavy Rain was a masterpiece and one of my top 3 best PS3 games.
Beyond was solid as well but not as good.
Elliot Page is nonsense 🤦🏻

DafunkyRebel110d ago

JASON JASONNNN yeah that was a great game, wish there was a proper remake

Relientk77110d ago

This is actually my favorite Quantic Dream game. I thought the story, supernatural stuff, and cast was great and super interesting. Hopefully the show will be good.

cthulhucultist109d ago

Same here, This one i liked the most. The variety in scenery and set pieces was refreshing and the supernatural aspect was well executed.

I am a bit biased however because I love all interactive movie like games

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The_Blue110d ago

Stop forcing this overworked anachronistic actor down our throats.

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Detroit: Become Human & Beyond: Two Souls are available on Steam without Denuvo

DSOGaming writes: "Quantic Dream has just released Detroit: Become Human, Heavy Rain and Beyond: Two Souls on the PC, and has removed Denuvo from them."

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Quantic Dream Announces Detroit: Become Human, Beyond: Two Souls, & Heavy Rain for Steam

Quantic Dream revealed the upcoming Steam Release of its games Detroit: Become Human, Beyond: Two Souls, and Heavy Rain coming "soon."

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Obscure_Observer1821d ago

Sony is expanding their PC approach beyond (no pun intended) Epic Store realm.

Steam official pages:

Heavy Rain
https://store.steampowered....

Beyond: Two Souls
https://store.steampowered....

Detroit: Become Human
https://store.steampowered....

Abriael1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

Quantic Dream is self-publishing and doing this entirely independently from Sony. Sony is not involved at all.

Sciurus_vulgaris1821d ago

Detroit: Become Human and Beyond: Two Souls are owned by Sony. Therefore,Quantic Dream needs Sony's permission to release the titles on steam and PC.

https://trademarks.justia.c...
https://trademarks.justia.c...

Abriael1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

@Sciurus_vulgaris: neither is owned by Sony. Registering a trademark (trademarks are related only to titles and have nothing to do with game or IP ownership) is completely unrelated from owning the rights of a game.

Sony had the publishing license on the games as a second party for a period. That license has expired, so now Quantic Dream is free to do whatever they want with them, and they are.

Incidentally, they have announced a few months ago that now they're taking the independent route, so expect their games on all platforms from now on.

hulk_bash19871821d ago

A trademark is a way a company or individual exercises legal ownership of an intellectual property. And as of right now Sony does still own the trademarks for those two QD developed games.

https://breakinggames.com/p...

Abriael1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

@hulk_bash1987 "Breaking Games" isn't trademark law. That's a massive oversimplification of trademark law. Trademarks do not in any shape or form give you ownership on an IP. It gives you ownership of a name. period.

Since trademarks are completely separate by publishing contracts, Sony's publishing contract on a game can have expired (and it has, the publisher of the games on PC is Quantic Dream itself) but the trademark still not have expired.

Quantic Dream has full ownership of the IPs. In fact, you won't see Sony named absolutely anywhere in any listing for PC. If Sony was involved, you'd see them listed right there.

Imalwaysright1821d ago

hulk_bash1987

The intellectual property being the title of the game. Trademarks only protect names or logos. The game itself and everything in it: code, story, characters, art, etc are protected by copyrights.

hulk_bash19871821d ago

Sony does own the trademarks and therefore have ownership over some portion of the ip. So they wouldve had to agree or had some type of legal or mutual agreement in place for QD to release them on platforms outside of Playstation.

Abriael1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

@hulk_bash1987: Sony's influence on the title is determined exclusively by their publishing contract. That's all the legal agreement you need.

If the trademark had any value over this, you'd see trademark notices and Sony plastered all over the listings.

Bottomline, this has literally nothing to do with Sony's approach related to PC gaming as Obscure_Observer tried to imply.

hulk_bash19871821d ago

Regardless of the ownership debate. Sony has been more liberal with their exclusives recently. QDs games, Death Stranding and most importantly HZD.

Abriael1821d ago

Horizon Zero Dawn is likely an experiment done because Kojima Productions optimized the engine at basically no additional cost for Sony.

The release on PC of Death Stranding was likely a condition from Kojima himself since the beginning. This has nothing to do with Sony.

hulk_bash19871821d ago

Horizon is definetly and experiement. Its Sony testing the water, to see how big of an audience their games might have on PC. It was pretty much out right stated that they want to get their games out to as many people as possible. Which will potentially open people up to buying PS hardware.

ZwVw1821d ago

Bro, you're getting licencing and copyright confused. Beyond and Detroit are both Sony properties, who Sony is granting licensing permission for QT to publish on PC. This is nothing new. Companies like MS, Square and Sega do this all the time.

Besides, is you visit Detroit's Steam page, you can clearly see the Sony copyright at the bottom of the page. https://store.steampowered....

Obscure_Observer1821d ago

"Quantic Dream is self-publishing and doing this entirely independently from Sony. Sony is not involved at all."

The only reason those games are available on PC, is because Sony gave Quantic Dream a permission. If you think Sony paid those third party studios millions to develop a game so they can claim "independence" and do whatever they want with said games, you´re seriously mistaken.

Persian_Immortal1821d ago

According to the United States Copyright Office https://cocatalog.loc.gov/c...

Sony owns the Copyrights for Detroit Become Human and Beyond Two Souls and Death Stranding.

RosweeSon1821d ago

Even if they were 2 of those games were last gen who cares it’s a bit different if they are your only good games to talk about and releasing simultaneously these games are 5-10 years old came out of ps3 originally except Detroit. Like horizon it was a great game do I care it’s gone to PC also not at all I’d already and finished it over a year previously 🤷🏻‍♂️🤓 😜✌🏻

neutralgamer19921821d ago

Abriael

sony is notorious for wanting IP's. Insomniac pitched sunset overdrive to sony but went with ms because they were going to let insomniac keep the IP. I think sony is allowing this because it's towards the end of gen and these games will generate extra resources. Sony allowed it on epic first because they have a great relationship lately eith epic and now even if QD are self publishing they would have spoken to sony about it

you are making it sound like just because they are self publishing they don't have to ask sony. The company that owns the IP's has a lot of say

https://www.gamespot.com/ar...

BTW i am not saying other games from sony will come to PC just that they do own the IP's

TricksterArrow1820d ago

Hmm... You can literally see this in their steam page:

DETROIT: BECOME HUMAN: ©2018 Sony Interactive Entertainment Europe ltd. Developed by Quantic Dream. “Detroit: Become Human” is a trademark of Sony Interactive Entertainment Europe. All rights reserved.

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blackblades1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

The dev always said he wanted them on pc. Lol putting Sony in it to make it look like Sony putting more of there games on pc.

ajax171821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

I'll agree once I see God of War and Spider-man on steam

Bronxs151821d ago

What about horizons zero dawn??

DerfDerf1821d ago

@Bronxs15 that was before the goal posts were moved

neutralgamer19921821d ago

shloobian

there is no goal post if yo are comparing MS releasing all their exclusives on pc day one to sony releasing HZD(3 years after release on pc) than maybe you should look up those said goal posts. Most likely case with HZD is the fact kojima optimized the game engine for PC so sony/GG didn't have any extra cost to make it work on pc

hulk_bash19871821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

Interested to see what other Sony IPs will see a release on PC

Father__Merrin1821d ago

QD are now independant in fact they always was but used sonys platforms to sell thier games.its thier ip they can do what ever they want with them

gravedigger1821d ago

Quantic Dream are no longer works for Sony. Contract ended

S2Killinit1821d ago

If this makes Obscure happy, then does that mean he is secretly sad that ALL of xbox’s games are available on PC? Hmm

Obscure_Observer1820d ago

@S2Killinit

"If this makes Obscure happy, then does that mean he is secretly sad that ALL of xbox’s games are available on PC? Hmm"

Sad? Lol.

Xbox games on PC means more money to fund new first party studios, games and new IP´s for us, Xbox console gamers.

Sony is not stupid, they´re paying attention to every move competition makes. They will allow day one exclusives on PC? Unlikely. However, you´ll see more and more Playstation games making their way to PC. Then, will see more and more PS fanboys telling how Sony is making money out of the PC gamers to fund new first party studios, games and new IP´s for us, Playstation console gamers.

You heard from me first. Mark my words. ;)

S2Killinit1820d ago (Edited 1820d ago )

Not much of a prediction though is it? The issue is that xbox is already moving toward obsoletion of consoles because MS has realized that they cant dominate the console market, so they want to scorch earth the console habitat by making it irrelevant (or at least a less important factor). As a console gamer I will support consoles and console makers that resist these types of maneuvers. I say screw Microsoft.

itsmebryan1820d ago

Can someone explain why MS console exclusives on PC are bad, but, when Sony copies the same thing it's somehow "different" or "Okay"?

I need to understand fanboy logic.

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WeAreLegion1821d ago

Sony would be crazy not to attempt to acquire them at some point.

Veneno1821d ago

Nah. QD is too all over the place. Not consistent in terms of quality.

Tacoboto1821d ago

Detroit was mechanically great, regardless of opinion on story. With Sony support officially behind them, they'd have those resources to improve their management

Flewid6381821d ago

I have yet to play a QD game I didn't like

AspiringProGenji1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

Didn’t they get owned already by some publisher?

Obscure_Observer1821d ago

No. And they will remain independent for the foreseeable future.

Abriael1821d ago (Edited 1821d ago )

Sony may want whatever they want. Quantic Dream wants to be independent and they're swimming in money (they recently expanded considerably) so they have no reason to sell.

WeAreLegion1821d ago

Insomniac wanted to be independent for decades. But things change. Nice to see you again, Abriael.

TeamIcoFan1821d ago

And I will be rebuying all three on steam!

AmazingGeneration1821d ago

When the crazy Xbox fans completely falsify facts to meet their agenda it really just makes you question how desperate these people are and how brainwashed they’ve become.

I blame Sony, you can only take a beating for so long and Sony been laying the fist into them for three generations now.

Tacoboto1821d ago

What the... The only mention of anything Xbox here is coming from you...

TeamIcoFan1821d ago

Alright sonny, put down the crack pipe and try to come back to reality, m'kay?

Neonridr1821d ago

sorry who's the one who's brainwashed here. Stop drinking the koolaid, what in dear god are you going on about here. Nothing you said relates to this article in any way. The fact that you got 4 agrees makes me wonder about those people too.

InUrFoxHole1821d ago

Lol. This news truly broke this poor soul!

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