Forza Motorsport 5 Gameplay Video Shows Laguna Seca with Multiple Cars and a Glimpse of Rewind

Xbox One exclusive Forza Motorsport 5 in a new video directly from the Tokyo Game Show Microsoft booth.

[CRAIG667]

nice.

[darthv72]

yes the game does look nice. It is an evolution of the series that fans will greatly enjoy.

@meth (below) if you are looking out the windshield of the car, you should get reflections and 'lens flare'.

What i really want to see are the smaller details over the period of a race. such as no car ever has a perfectly clean windshield all the time. if you are following closely then you should begin to get artifacts on the windshield as well as the exterior of the car from the environment.

For a game like drive club that offer night driving, i expect to see reflections off the interior from the rear view mirror and how it would illuminate the dash even for a brief moment as a car passes you or you pass under a street light.

The evolution of these driving games is going to be more about the smaller details. the things you generally dont pay attention to because we are busy watching the road or other vehicles.

when you go off course, you should see the effects of the grass or dirt as it would disturb the clean surface of the car with some sort of residue.

[abzdine]

@drsfinest72: same goes for you :)

On Topic: nice graphics, but not as next gen as turn 10 claim it to be.

[black0o]

@drsfinest72 it's was a reply to above which brought up #driveclub

[tokugawa]

abzdine.

i take it that you are new to gaming and have not been around to see any new console launches before.

on the ps2, we had to wait until GTA3 launched until we saw a real jump from the ps1. on the xbox 360 it was gears that showed the jump. for me kz2 on the ps3 showed the jump etc..

i am not expecting a huge jump until the end of 2014, begining of 2015.

but, seeing as you as a well known sony trooper. i am probably wasting my time here

[guitarded77]

Looks great. I likes the way the sign went flying after the driver hit it. Pretty realistic. The only thing I didn't really like was the light reflecting off the asphalt... it didn't look realistic. But if I'm noticing something like that, it just means everything else is superb. Forza is the one launch game that makes me want an XBOX One on day one, but even as good as it looks, I can't drop that kind of coin for one game. I'll wait for a system price drop, and a Gears or Halo. Hopefully Forza will be down to $20 by then too.

[Tito08]

@tokugawa- Seems like the real waste of time in here is you. If I remember correctly, there was Onimusha, Devil May Cry, Gran Turismo 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, Final Fantasy X. All these games released the same year as GTA3, and you're saying we had to wait til GTA3 to notice a jump? Of course it was a jump in the sandbox department, but graphics was the last thing people would think about when it comes to GTA as all the games I mentioned looked way better, so you're either blind or simply retarded.

Oh yeah, I forgot, you're a Xboner, you're excused.

[abzdine]

@tokugawa:
"i take it that you are new to gaming and have not been around to see any new console launches before"

and i take it as you have no taste in gaming and you cannot distinguish between generation gap.
check this out:
Ridge Racer Type 4 (one of last PSone games): http://image.jeuxvideo.com/...

and this

Ridge Racer V (PS2 launch title)
http://image.jeuxvideo.com/...

Are you serious you cannot notice a gen gap? i am sorry if first PS2 game you bought was GTA3 but if you bought PS2 day one just like i did you would have noticed a gigantic gap in performance, same goes from PS2/PS3 and PS3/PS4. Also, GTA3 was all but impressive graphically.
First game i bought at PS3 launch is Virtua Tennis 3, and i can tell you that game is above everything i have seen on PS2.

Forza 5 is next gen, but thanks to Sony there is a monster called DriveClub that shows what next gen car design looks like.

look at them side by side, no need for glasses :P

[adorie]

Yeah, aside from the lighting, the game looks really good. loved Forza III and sometime next year, I hope to be playing this one. :)

[JokesOnYou]

hmmm the sony bias is strong on this site, wish they'd show some more direct feed stuff but whatever. Lighting you say? Am I hearing the environments don't look good? Well here's a few hands on impressions from those with hands on:

"But that's not all. The paint truly does look phenomenally realistic thanks to subsurface scattering, a techie term that basically means it allows for the accurate rendering of light reflecting below a surface -- in this case, the metallic flecks below the clearcoat on a McLaren P1 supercar. Furthermore, the dashboard reflections on the windshield during daytime races is a seemingly small but brilliant touch, particularly for someone like me who always does his Forza racing from the first-person cockpit view."

"High Dynamic Range lighting means the sun can get in your eyes as you're heading west across the Prague track's long bridge, while the draw distance on the track vistas is absolutely insane. You can see trees and buildings miles in the distance from the crest of the hill on the same track. Gorgeous!"
http://m.ign.com/articles/2...

"Famed for its graphical prowess on 360, Forza 5 ups the ante here with a new lighting model - flying over a bridge and seeing the light reflecting and responding to the car and world was enough to convince that the next-gen was here at long last."
http://www.videogamer.com/x...

"And it’s not just the vehicles: it’s the environments, too, from the lighting to the motion blur effect to the additional fixtures like cheering fans watching racers fly by in 1080p and at 60 frames per second."
http://www.gengame.net/2013...

"The game is simply gorgeous, filled with amazing detail in every aspect of every car. Stitching and bumps in carbon fiber can be seen all over the super cars. While these cars have more polygons than ever before, that means little when traveling at a 100 mph through a bend. The worlds are more alive in Forza 5. Looking off in the distance, you can see activity everywhere. Little touches such as a helicopter flying around in what appears to be a fully rendered city in the distance."
http://thriftynerd.com/2013...

"The photorealism carries over to the courses. It was hard to keep my eyes on the road with all of the eye-catching background elements found in the sun-drenched Prague course. Insanely detailed roads, sidelines, buildings, sky, and other props looked a world away from the previous Forza title . The jump in quality is crazy -- it's something you'll have to see for yourself to understand. Mind you, this is all running at 60 frames per second at 1080p."
http://www.destructoid.com/...

-So ahhh first hand impressions vs n4g sony experts watching off screen vids. pfft OK, what the hell I'ma go with the n4g sony experts. lol

[titletownrelo]

Since when did gaming for fun turn into the pursuit of pointless bragging rights?

I want a PS4 as much as the next guy, but I feel that everyone is complaining about such minor features just to make Forza seem inferior...so ridiculous.

[mistecheese]

+1 bubble

Well said :)

[4Sh0w]

Thats some made up fanboy crap everyone with hands on has said Forza 5 is visually impressive while the n4g talking points is lighting. I haven't read anywhere negative comments about lighting and the lighting looks great in these vids.

[XboxFun]

For some reason, lights, trees and nighttime have taken precedent over actual racing. The main reason for this game.

[MethCupcakes]

I'm not trolling or anything but, this is "next-gen"? It doesn't look anything like what they're boasting about. Honestly, it looks like a 360 game a bit of high res textures. Also, why is it with every game (That has FPV) nowadays has that lens flare? I thought we were looking out the eyes of the character/driver not shooting a movie.

[Bobbo44]

I'll be the first to say I think people have high hopes for "next-gen", but in all fairness, you can't really judge quality by a cam recording or whatever.

[Eonjay]

If I were comparing this to Drive Club or NFS I would say that it is really light on the environment details but the cars model textures are really high. Forza looks better than Drive Club right up to the part where the actual race begins and you see the actual course. Then Drive Club steals the show with its insame amount of environmental details.

Or maybe, we need to see an different Forza track cause the demo one is looking plain by comparison. And what the heck happened @0:40? Did the player switch views for a micro second or did the cockpit view vanish?

[MethCupcakes]

Who said anything about Drive Club? I speaking about it overall.

[kizzle32]

I noticed that too but upon further inspection it looks like he hits the "look behind" button for a split second.

[BallsEye]

@Eonjay

They are doing a good effort with driveclub but I don't think tracks look more detailed. The half fake raytracing just doesn't do anything good for this game.

this is direct feed full hd shots and they don't look as great when cars start moving. Low res, everything blurred with low passes.

http://images.gamersyde.com...

http://images.gamersyde.com...

even on this specially prepared retouched shot for the press the enviroment just looks...last gen..

http://gematsu.com/gallery/...

Now I could post plenty of beautiful forza 5 full hd screens and gameplay (it was playable it is playable all the time and graphics are just as good as always was shown, even upgraded recently). I'm not quite sure why driveclub gets so much praise here on n4g for it's graphics. Forza got all the awards for best graphics on all showings, it prooves something.

Oh yea forgot to tell. Sure the screens below were retouched somehow but I'm sure they didnt add fake trees and buildings, so tracks are not plain at all.

http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/...

http://media.operationsport...

http://images5.alphacoders....

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-S...

http://games.cz.imag3box.co...

Now if you played previous forza, you should know their tracks are full of details and beautiful. Hopefully we will see some more interesting tracks soon.

[MethCupcakes]

I'm goin' to waste my last bubble but, you give off that fanboy smell.

[slivery]

Aren't you the same tool from neogaf? Who goes around saying Driveclub has fake lighting and Killzone doesn't use any ray tracing?

[BallsEye]

@slivery

I don't ever look on neogaf. Not into that kind of forums. Anyway, what is funny is that I'm actually posting real stuff, real screenshots and all you can do is say I'm a tool from neogaf? Open your eyes, it is what it is. Btw yes lighting in driveclub is not real raytricing.

http://www.ign.com/boards/t...

Scroll down to post with pictures. It's a mix of few techniques and it doesn't work as advertised.

@MethCupcakes

So because I don't do all the praises for driveclub it makes me a fanboy of MS? Damn, you guys are weird. I'm collecting gaming systems and I will buy all next gen consoles (yea even got that wiiU that is just full of dust in my gaming room), I pay my own money for the stuff I buy. In this case I preffer forza and that is where I'd like to spend my money. This doesn't make me a fanboy. Seriously guys, grow up.

[Lboogieskells]

notice above in the same pics, it says alpha code.

[FamilyGuy]

"Alpha code" shots, just one of the many tactics of a fanboy :/
Side note: You can own every system on the planet and still be a fanboy. Having a strong preference for something to the point of ignoring all its shortcomings and valid criticisms is a sure sign.

Despite it being alpha code, DriveClub still looks good. Forza looks good too. They're both doing different things and neither one is perfect at this point. Driveclub has jaggies and Forza has faked reflections among many other things. Fans are being overly critical of both games, they both look much better than current gen titles so that's the main goal visually anyway.

Buy the game you want and get over it people.

[Bobbo44]

LMAO a rewind feature? This game officially can't be taken seriously as a simulation racing game.

[PraxxtorCruel]

Such a dumb comment. So what if there is a rewind feature? Don't use it. It doesn't affect online play at all. So what is the big deal?

[Bobbo44]

Have you ever seen "GAME OVER" on the screen? There used to be a time when video games were actually difficult. Go try playing Super Mario Brothers, and when you quit on the first level you'll see why a rewind feature is a joke.

http://www.p4rgaming.com/ma...

And it's supposed to be a simulation racing game, meaning it's simulating actually racing. Pretty sure you can't rewind in the middle of a real race, hence the this game is not actually a simulation game.

[LonChaneyTV]

"Have you ever seen "GAME OVER" on the screen? There used to be a time when video games were actually difficult. "

It still has it. there's also a continue button because we all know real life moves on. /s

[Abriael]

The series had a rewind feature since Forza 2. Way to be late to the party.

[Bobbo44]

I want nothing to do with this party.

[u got owned]

"I want nothing to do with this party."

so what are you doing here then.

[MajorLazer]

Since Forza 3, not Forza 2

[LoveOfTheGame]

Mario bros, beat it in under ten minutes. Not a difficult game, maybe you just can't see the screen that well in your cave.

Also, can't you quit races before they are done in every racing game? Wouldn't that be the same as rewind just more hassle.

[Bobbo44]

That doesn't even make sense. What does commenting about a game being difficult have to do with being in a cave? Not to mention, pretty sure you can see a screen better in a cave. And congratulations, beat it in 10 minutes means you looked up all of the shortcuts on Google probably. The point is you could actually lose in Mario, try losing in today's games.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Ignorance is bliss, eh. I was referring to you as a troll, hence the cave comment. And I don't think Google was really around in the early nineties, I mean the probably were but I didn't have internet till much later.

Also, WTF you talking about try losing in today's games? You can easily lose in every game; skeleton kills you in Dark/Demon souls, a Clicker hears you, Los Santos Police bring a chopper, it goes on. Maybe get of the easiest level and challenge yourself, the games might seem harder then.

[LoveOfTheGame]

In Mario it wouldn't be game over, you would restart at the beginning of that world with 5 lives. Back to the rewind thing, in GT you can just quit the race and start it over.

It's like you have never played these games but bring them into this argument thinking that they can back you up.

Also Ninja Gaiden is a difficult game by reputation. Just play some of these games and you will see most of the things that make them easier are just a choice that the gamer can choose not to do.

Pls continue creating accounts so you will have enough bubs.

[LoveOfTheGame]

It better not be oatmeal raisin lol. I'm not thinking of Super Mario World, although it might follow that, I thought the original one did it also.

Looked it up and you're right about the complete game over. Strange since none of the other ones did this, that I can remember. Hell even the lost levels only started you at 5-1 if yo died at 5-4.

We are getting extremely off point here, but the rewind is nothing more than a convenient restart button. If this ruins a simulator then no game can be a simulator since you can restart. Also I don't think Forza is meant to be a simulator.

Also who needs emulators when you have the original.

[GrizzliS1987]

when was forza a simulator? just cus you can make graphics on par with gran turismo doesnt, photo realistic, doesnt make you a sim.

disagree all you want, the only people who claim forza was ever a simulator are xbox fanboys who wanted their own gran turismo.

forza is, and always will be, an arcade sim, meaning quality entry level driving game with a hint of simulator. Easy to get into and drive and perform well.

Forza fans hate gran turismo becuase they expect to perform on GT same as they do on forza, and that is simply not possible.

again, i like both games, because they are just that, games, but there is only one game i bought the G27 wheel for, and thats Gran Turismo

[Kayant]

@Bobbo55

The developers themselves also said they don't know what GT6 physics engine is like so he can't really say that much. And he's only talking psychics. Physics only =/= sim racer.

"Just do the math. Honestly," Greenawalt replied. "I don't know what their physics engine is. I know what mine is."

[MysticStrummer]

@Bobbo -

- Interviewer: Getting back to the lack of racing features in Forza, will you be updating or adding them to FM5?

Dan: Um, (laughing) I don’t agree with your premise. Forza has all or most of the racing features you mentioned.

- Interviewer: Not exactly. Yes, you do have pit stops, but they are computer controlled. You have tire wear, but without significant degradation. You have fuel consumption, but just barely, as though every car no matter the power or use of that power gets the same ridiculous mpg. You have damage repair, but only mechanical, and not on the aerodynamics. You have a drag tree, but it doesn’t actually function.

Dan: Fair points, but, but again, Forza (and Forza 5 in particular) offers so much more than these rather minor details and concerns from our niche brothers and sisters on the racing side of Forza life. We feel that the true source of Forza entertainment comes from its overall execution and the emotional connection derived from its unparalleled immersive content. I feel that any details that are allegedly missing are far outweighed by our cutting edge graphics and physics. But it’s not just these critical aspects; it’s also (in the case of FM5) the new power of the Cloud that places us on an entirely new plateau beyond anything anyone has out there. So, I think we can be forgiven if we don’t have every feature under the sun.

- Interviewer: Well, speaking for the racers, we don’t really feel you have gone all out, or the extra mile when it comes to the racing features in Forza. The general opinion is that you did just enough to get by so that you can say you have this or that feature, but often totally lacking full functionality. Is this a limitation of the Microsoft hardware, architecture, or software, or is it a lack of racing experience and culture?

Dan: Okay then, tell me how you really feel! (laughing) Seriously, we could make a hardcore race sim, but that’s not what got us here. We can’t take the path that others with less success take; we have to forge our own path. And as much as we try to be everything to everyone whether they are a car guy or not, we can only go so deep with any single feature if you know what I mean.

- Interviewer: Yes, I think I do. This is sort of the problem from the sim-racer point of view; and that is Forza isn’t precisely sure what it wants to be. It seems to have strayed far and wide from its original concept back in the day when everyone was quite sure that Forza was a racing simulator not unlike Gran Turismo. By not staying on point or with the original theme over the years, we’ve seen improvements in graphics, physics, GUI, and all sorts of non-racing innovations like the livery editor and auction house features, but very little actual improvements to the racing experience itself. Can you explain this?

Dan: Probably not to the satisfaction of the hardcore racers.

- Interviewer: Well let me ask you this then, will racing ever become the preeminent attribute of Forza in the future? Will you ever return to your roots and make simulation racing the reason for Forza again?

Dan: If you’re asking will we ever make a hardcore simulation racer, the answer is no. If you’re asking will we try to attract more people to racing by blending gaming with racing, the answer is yes.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[starchild]

By that logic, since when has Gran Turismo been a simulator? By the standards of racing/driving sims on PC Gran Turismo is inferior, so that makes it not a sim.

[gamer2013]

As far back as I can remember with Forza 1 the media has been calling it a sim. Funny thing is though, I've played every GT game (my fav was GT3: A Spec) and never have I read or heard about it in any way being a sim until GT 4 came along. Then all of a sudden GT is a sim and Forza isn't!

[BallsEye]

I consider myself a hardcore gamer and I don't like it easy but sure i get ffffffffffff pissed off when I'm doing 10th lap and because of some stupid reason (dog annoyed me or whatever) I hit something or lose controll of the car and here we go...whole race wasted. I think it's a nice feat to learn to play before you hit online, cause on online you can't use that.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Its been in the series for a long time.

Also, the rewind feature is not available for online play. If like Forza 4, each time you use the rewind feature you lose a certain amount of cash/XP.

[CalamityCB]

You have got to be trolling if you did not know the forza series had a rewind feature .__.

[Riderz1337]

The amount of pop ins in the rear view mirror is too damn high!

[PraxxtorCruel]

delete

[Kayant]

Dash detail and gloves always amazes me but they really need to tone down the lens flare it's too damn bright.

We have seen most of the footage here already it's the same build from Gamescom/PAX except the classic cars section.

I hope we will start seeing new footage from launch games as we near launch now.

[Boody-Bandit]

That lens flare is annoying as hell.
I hope there is a way to turn it down or disable it.

[darthv72]

id imagine to eliminate the lens flare you would opt for the exterior view or hood/bumper cam view.

The flare depicted is somewhat realistic based on the position of the sun in the sky and the angle and clarity of the windshield.

this looks like a game you need to wear driving sunglasses for when playing.

[Boody-Bandit]

Than I hope they give us the ability to tint our windows since we aren't actually in the car with helmets on. I've been a Forza fan since Forza 2 and this lens flare is too distracting.

[Unknown]

I promise you Sony Crash Dummies will beeyatch about any and EVERY thing. This game looks amazing. So does Drive Club too. Critics have been giving both games high praise...Drive Club for it's more arcadey, accessible feel and Forza for it's simulation and more so it's graphics. If you think that Forza looks sub par then I wonder what you're thoughts are regarding drive club as it looks arguably better than Drive Club.

[KUV1977]

'Arguably' being the keyword here. I agree that both look really good but I prefer the real-time-gi-look over the candy-color-style. Wouldn't call out a clear winner in terms of looks just yet.

[Kaneda]

Wow, Sony fanboys complaint about everything about Xbox... too bright, rewind... STHU!

[Xsilver]

i'm a fan of Sony but i already knew forza had rewind since i owned so why everyone acting like its new.

[robotgargoyle]

Yeah, rewind feature was introduced in Forza 3. I liked having it. The feature was placed to take away frustration of having to restart a race in single player.

I don't know how many times I'd get sloppy on the 6 or 7 lap with the lead, and blow the race on a single turn. I suck. It allows me to enjoy the game because I can't devote every waking minute to mastering a game. Gotta work and hang with the fam too. Can't be a shut-in.

Don't know what's the big fuss about.

[dartarian]

I don't know why people are complaining either. Plus the rewind get disabled as you change the setting to more sim like anyways.

[Boody-Bandit]

The lens flare is too bright / over done. The rewind I actually like but not to correct mistakes. I like it because they give me more $$$ for driving with it disabled. Which is the only way I play Forza.

[Kaneda]

Have you drive your car facing the sun.. It is bright! hard to see! stupid sun over doing the brightness!

[xKugo]

Still doesn't look as good as when we first saw it at E3. E3 build was incredibly good looking, even thought it had no visual effects. Now it just looks Ok, which makes it even less impressive when compared to DriveClub. The night driving in DC makes Forza look last-gen. Ah well, Project Cars shits on both anyway. Can't wait for that game..

[Chris12]

E3 was set in Prague on a made up track compared to real life Laguna Seca, which is one of the dullest race tracks around visually. You can't just add a few hundred trees just because you don't think it looks pretty enough.

[joefrost00]

It looks the same to me and I saw it in person
The power of suggestion
Cause if a rumor had not came out said it had been downgraded
You all wouldn't be saying stuff like it dont look as good as.it did at first
I call it a rumor cause out of everybody there only one site reporting it
You sony fans are so sad
Complaining about a rewind a feature thst has been there for years and saying thst is not sim
A little bit of fact the last two forzas had rewind and it still got rated the best sim over your precious GT

[UncleGermrod]

So weird, theres people in the comments talking about mario and all kinds of odd things. They said themselves forza 5 is meant to be more of an approachable "sim-like" game. Everyone keeps talking driveclub, and it does look good. But so does forza. I think anyone who thinks it looks current gen is just a negative person. Seems like the same people always with the negative comment....until some guy pokes a wolf bear on ps4 with a metal stick...then its all "oh wow", look at this, xbone cant do bear wolf poking. oh boy

[Reem]

Is this a 360 game?

[starchild]

Have your eyes been replaced with marbles?

[AceofStaves]

F5 is shaping up to be a lot of fun for fans of the series, and I think, in the end, that's what's most important.

[xjatsx]

the drivers arms when turning dont look realastic. no one drives like that with stretched arms, especially when turning.
it feeels like the car is skiing

[Godoftheweek]

I agree, it looks silly. Not to mention they never come off the steering wheel. Then there is the jerking back and forth that if you did that in a real car or in another racing game on a rival platform that I won't mention, you would lose control. The floaty, driving on ice feel has IMO been with every Forza that I have played.

[Lboogieskells]

That next gen Pre baked lighting is top notch.

[CalamityCB]

People are really trolling the rewind feature, only bringing it up now just to find something to only say a bad thing about the game; how freaking pathetic.

[Godoftheweek]

Maybe I am expecting too much from T10, but that lens-flare is ridiculous. The time of day never changes in F5, so why is it they cannot get a more realistic look to lens-flare? There is also the horrible disappearing track details in the rear-view mirror, the bumper-car physics, and the cartoony more colorful than real life color palate. Then there is the jerking back and forth that if you did that in a real car or in another racing game on a rival platform that I won't mention, you would lose control.

If I were T10, specifically Dan G. I would stop bragging so much about how great my game is and work on those things I just mentioned and let others form opinions on the game. For me, he comes across as a pompous person with no regard of just how butthurt and silly he sounds in interviews, when an interviewer actually asks real questions and not cookie cutter crap that most do.

You want to claim the racing crown T10? Put in weather, put in day/night cycles, get rid of the cartoony colors, do something about the floaty feel, do something about the bumper car physics, do something about changing out models to give the illusion of damage, do something about the driver model and how he uses the wheel, make your game FIRST for a 900 degree racing wheel, (like your rival platform competition does) get rid of that rewind feature, make your game good enough so that REAL race car drivers can train on it and compete in a competition using real cars after posting the best times in your game.

Until you do Dan G. and T10, stop stroking your own (insert phallic word of choice here)

[clae1]

First regarding the lens flare it is exaggerated when shot from off cam, the disappearing track details, well it is just a demo it will be fixed, the bumper car physics you say, it is much worse in the other game you would not mention. Forza has better damage physics than the other game, which you could hardly call damage at all. Regarding the jerking back and forth, it is just just trying to show visually the g force the driver experiences when you brake, not necessarily the car going back and forth.

I think turn10 already have the crown, more sales doesn't mean a better game. If weather and day and night cycle is not well implemented then i'm glad they left it out. Weather effects on other games affects the frame rate and tearing, which is bad for racing or any game for that matter. Now rewind, just shows u don't play forza because rewind is an option, you can remove it. Racing programs tied with a game gives you the opportunity. Posting fast lap times in a game doesn't make you a better driver than others driving in real life. My son could probably beat you and he could barely reach the gas pedal.

[RedSoakedSponge]

not gonna lie. im pretty excited for this game :)

[Godoftheweek]

I am curious, what is it that excites you about this game? I love racing games, I have tried every Forza, I started to play each one with as much as an open mind as I can, yet with everyone of them, I come away disappointed. The way it feels while controlling the car for me has not changed much. I still feel as if the wheels are floating just above the track, and the control is just way too forgiving. It is much harder to lose control in Forza than I would expect in a racing game that competes in the sim genre.

It just is not fun for me, and I would like to know why you and others find it fun.

I expect you to be honest and not lie to me. ;-P

[Yo Mama]

Forza looks like it's trying to hide lack of track details by blinding you with sunlight at every chance it gets.

[urwifeminder]

Looks great next gen will just be shiny with more draw distance and detail gameplay will not change much I don't get what people expect.

[2v1]

hands down GT5 look better than this .

[gamer2013]

Troll

[FITgamer]

At 46 seconds rewind activate!