Power struggle: the real differences between PS4 and Xbox One performance

PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 per cent faster than its rival Xbox One. Multiple high-level game development sources have described the difference in performance between the consoles as “significant” and “obvious.”

[majiebeast]

"Sony and Microsoft are each still working on the graphics drivers for each console, and Xbox One is lagging behind in this regard – Microsoft “has been late on their drivers and that has been hurting them,” said one source. Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”.

Sounds to me like Microsoft wasnt ready for a 2013 launch and Sony forced their hand.

"One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."

Ouch, thats a pretty damn big gap if its true.

I seriously hope that this is all just software related and that the hardware didnt get rushed, cause then a RROD repeat would not surprise me.

[THC CELL]

Rushed like said, do u no what gets me people claim ms has all this money caps yet they don't use it, greed

[black0o]

mark My words

the next wave of malti-plat titles will show that 50% defferent in power

[Shikoro]

It's because at first they put multimedia features at the forefront even though it's a games console, and that's why it's underpowered. That is going to come back and bite them in the ass.

@black0o
Not just the next wave. The difference between launch titles will be obvious.

[black0o]

@shikoro
the 1st wave titles are more like in between next-cur gen and based on cur-gen engines, they won't make use of the real power that comes with the new hardware also with the drives being prototype ..etc

but once the devs start planning their next projects based on the next gen tech then the deference will be clear I mean way clear

[sincitysir1]

Idk if anything multiplatform games might be xboxone level because im sure micro would not be.happy about an inferior copy. Yet ps3 gamers had to dealwith it. Im looking at u fallout 3 and new vegas. But at least they will run perfectly on ps4. Heres to a future where ps4 is lead platform. Cheers

[majiebeast]

I think ea is already doing the parity thing with Battlefield 4 for PS4, there is no way that game cant run at 1080P on PS4.

[nukeitall]

@maji:

Carefully selected quotes without all the details.

"ur contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."

Notice how they say unoptimized!

"“The poor [graphics] drivers have made it difficult to push either of them, and the developers aren’t familiar with the hardware yet,“ said one source."

"Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer."

The truth hurts fangirls and everyone else just enjoys the platform and the games!

[xHeavYx]

Anyone else thinks that M$ will come up with a new console in 2-3 years to try to match the PS4 power?

[Gazondaily]

If the PS4 is indeed 50% faster, that spells BIG trouble for MS, regardless of what exclusives the X1 has.

If that is the case, then I pray that the PS4 versions of multiplats aren't gimped for the sake of the X1.

[FamilyGuy]

Without rushing they'd get obliterated by the PS4 sales, instead they're only going to get demolished. I'm thinking 80:20 between the two.

MS did what they had to do, though it's really weird that they weren't ready. They're what, 7 years into this gen, what were they waiting on?

What a crazy article to pop up. Expect Penello to respond before this day is over. lol

also this:

"better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

It's official, Xbox 1 games will be gimping PS4 versions of multiplatform titles -_-
This is why we cherish exclusives.

[mewhy32]

Wow. That performance difference is big. But you know what that means? I read the rest of that article and it was clear that the pressure for parity from micro$oft would be a factor. Also in the edgeonline.com article it was stated that it wouldn't make financial sense for them to make one game prettier than the other unless it was a simple tweak. That means that the PS4 development of third party games is going to dumbed down significantly because of the lowest common denominator syndrome brought about by the inferiority of the bone's hardware. That's crap. Sony should pressure the 3rd party devs to push the PS4 and take full advantage of it's abilities and not let the bone hold it back.

[theBAWSE]

scariest part of that interview..

'One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers'

of corse Microsoft will castrate developers for making the stronger consoles multi platform games better.. It's like bluray and DVD all over again.

Microsoft hindering games once again with inferior hardware

[nix]

@familyguy: i think they were waiting for Sony to show what they have to show... but Sony came out little early and suddenly caught them by their balls.

[Gazondaily]

"Microsoft hindering games once again with inferior hardware"

Once again? The 360 was far more developer friendly than the PS3.

[Kryptix]

@nukeitall

"One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One." -From Article

"Notice how they say unoptimized!"

lol You do know that includes the PS4, right? They both were given the same test.

Basically, given the tools and hardware, the PS4 is more flexible with it's unified architecture and makes it really easy to develop for. Which confirms all the statements Cerny has talked about on making a very developer-friendly but yet powerful console. Didn't Guerrilla Games, the creators of Killzone, also said that the PS4 has barely any bottlenecks? That's because with a unified architecture, the physical memory in the console is shared among the components (CPU and GPU) and can be sent and used for the more intensive processes putting less pressure on everything else which means less lag in performance. The console would be able to compute elements much easier and faster.

http://www.extremetech.com/...

"Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer." -From Article

Once again, another person stating that the Xbox One is weaker than the PS4. How many different developers have to say that it's inferior to the PS4 before it registers into your head? Now this one is about the ESRAM. Didn't that misinformation moron, MisterX/Insider has said that the ESRAM contains 4 lines for the DDR3 so it can compute much faster making it 4 times faster than the PS4? Complete lie, even if two of those imaginary lines for memory transfer were used, it would still be weaker than the PS4's constant 176 GB/s. And now that it's stated that it's hard to use, 3rd party developers wouldn't entirely use it's full power just like the PS3's Cell. The PS4 will have a large advantage in power for years and even so, the GDDR5 RAM isn't optimized. Most computers use DDR3 so developers have a better understanding of it already. GDDR5 will be learned and give the PS4 a bigger boost for better frame rates with much more larger games using more RAM.

"The truth hurts fangirls and everyone else just enjoys the platform and the games!"

Funny, if it's all about the games for you, why are you here? This article is about both console's power and performance. And it's here because delusional Xbots like MisterX love to spread misinformation and post it on N4G. This article proves that the PS4's power in most cases is better and set in stone. I'm not saying the PS4 is 100 times better than the Xbox One or some stupid sh%t like that that's not based on fact. But it shouldn't be hard to take in that the PS4 in fact is more powerful than the Xbox One. Don't deny it even with all the explanations and factual numbers not theories. Even the games speak for themselves, look at Killzone: Shadowfall, it can run between 30 to 60 frames at 1080p. While I still haven't heard many Xbox One games that does 60 fps at 1080p except Forza 5 but that game is lacking dynamics. Killer Instinct only runs at 720p, pathetic for a fighting game, really. lol

Truth hurts, sorry if I put you in a coma.

[theBAWSE]

@septic

where did I state ease of development?

I stated DVD vs bluray... And for a reason, I read articles where certain games had less content due to developers not wanting to pay Microsoft the fee for multiple DVDs on their 360 game which therefore resulted in ps3 games having less content to be on parity with the 360 version

this time for ps4/xbone it's gamers that will suffer alot more due to the graphical inferiority of the xbone not the storage medium

[Gazondaily]

@ theBawse

Please name these games for me where games suffered due to so-called space restrictions.

You appear to be exaggerating the issue, if there even is one.

[4Sh0w]

So if ps4 is 50% more powerful and easier to dev for and micro is behind in dev for X1 after being caught off guard by the announcement of ps4, the why is Ryse the best looking console game at launch, why is sony struggling to get a racer that quite frankly despite its claims looks no better then The Crew to run at 60fps, why are there more AAA launch exclusives on X1? I guess the X1 strengths the article spoke of must also be significant becaus3 all that would point to ps4 games showing huge gap in superiority from the start. Im not buying this though from ghost sources. I heard all the talk before but lets see proof and right now the games speak for themselves.

[theBAWSE]

@septic

off top of my head final fantasy.. the biggest jrpg

you think it's exaggerated that's good for you.. developers wouldn't broadcast the fact but it's a known issue

[Godmars290]

"do u no what gets me people claim ms has all this money caps yet they don't use it, greed"

No, its more like MS has lost more money than they've gotten out of the Xbox brand, so they're reluctant to put in even more or otherwise force it to pay off.

For someone reason the Xbox fan camp seem to forget the fist Xbox. That MS only lost money on that system which both undersold and never saw a decrease in production costs because key parts for it were leased instead of bought.

Between that and the RRoD incident, out of their ten year history in the console industry MS have likely been losing/not seeing much profit for at least six years.

[FamilyGuy]

@ 4Sh0w

Ryse looks and plays like crap and
MSs so called "AAA" launch line-up is composed of 360 games that got pushed (forced) in to becoming X1 launch games.

How is Ryse the "best"?
http://s18.postimg.org/cnfm...
Killzone scraps it,
Deep Down annihilates it and
Second Son makes it a cheap street walker for tips as it is clearly its b****

Who started this "Ryse looks great" crap anyway? Just because Crytek made it or something? Look at Marius' eyes and tell me that's next gen.

[ChrisW]

I recently upgraded the RAM in my PC from a Data-rate of 1333 to 2133, which is about 60% faster...

Originally, it took 1&1/2 minutes to load Windows, and 2 minutes to load a high-res picture in Photoshop. But now... It's absolutely awesome!!! Windows loads in less than 8 seconds, opening something in Photoshop takes about 10, and every game that I play loads so fast that the audio can't keep up!

Absolutely awesome in burlesquing proportions!

[AlexanderNevermind]

@ rewardedone

If Devs aren't bought out then the differences in multiplats (graphics and performance) may be significant.

I for one will be very upset if they castrate the PS4 due to not trying to ruffle MS feathers. Hell they don't castrate multiplat PC editions in reference to consoles.

[thechosenone]

“Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."

“The clock speed update is not significant, it does not change things that much,”

Microsoft, you got some splainin to do! :lololol

[Enemy]

Another day, another confirmation.

http://www.gamechup.com/war...

http://n4g.com/news/1263235...

http://n4g.com/news/1304933...

@ 4Sh0w: Your opinion is just an opinion, though. The PS4 being more powerful is a fact. It's not a matter of "if."

Killzone: Shadow Fall's tech makes Ryse look outdated. Just youtube Killzone: Shadow Fall tech.

As a matter of fact, Ryse was a current gen Kinect game for longer than it was an Xbox One game, which explains the lackluster visuals and glitchy QTE combat. It's unfair to even compare the two.

Crytek are very likely using the exact same Xbox 360 version's assets, so if Ryse is the best looking next gen game for you, well, I don't think I need to point out the obvious.

The Crew, graphically, is closer to the previous two NFS games, Hot Pursuit and Most Wanted. Yes it's open world but graphically, it's closer to those two games than Driveclub. Driveclub is photorealistic in comparison.

Killer Instinct is AAA? It's a simple fighting game running at 720p, launching with only 6 characters, priced at $20 or something, lol.

Let's talk about Forza 5:

- Forza 5's lighting is baked. Driveclub has real time dynamic lighting/global illumination, whereas every object casts its own shadow, which results in a superior graphical experience. There is absolutely no arguing that real time dynamic lights are infinitely, technologically superior to fake, cartoony baked lighting. Unless cartoony art direction is part of Turn 10's goal, which it isn't. Forza 5's lighting is so weird and unrealistic, that I'm shocked they even advertise the game's graphics as realistic.

- Driveclub's clouds are dynamic. They actually move around as they're (yep, you guessed it) fully modeled. Clouds in Forza 5 are practically painted on and static. Part of the static background.

- The environments in Forza 5 are completely static as well. Every single detail from trees to mountains in Driveclub has been fully modeled in 3D. Doesn't matter how far the object is from the camera, if you see it, you know it's a modeled object in Driveclub. Forza 5 uses static backdrops to make it very easy to achieve 60fps.

- Forza doesn't even have night racing or weather effects. Turn 10 have been using the same cheap method for 60fps since the original Forza. So much for "next gen progression" huh?

You ever wonder why Turn 10 never talks about the tech in their games? If Driveclub was using the same last gen tricks of Forza 5, it'd be locked at 60fps. As of now, Forza 5 is only really comparable to Ridge Racer, as they both use the same smoke and mirrors for 60fps.

Or maybe you want to talk about Dead Rising 3? All Capcom did was slap on more brain-dead AI and call it "next gen." How impressive!

Naughty Dog = new PS4 IP coming (and sequels to their previous GOTY winners)
Sony Santa Monica = multiple new PS4 IPs coming
Guerrilla = new PS4 IP coming
Quantic Dream = multiple new PS4 IPs coming
Media Molecule = new PS4 IP coming
Polyphony Digital = Gran Turismo 7 is coming

Let's not forget The Order: 1886. Or Rime, or Everybody's Gone To The Rapture, or the endless indie games on PS4.

[kariyanine]

@theBAWSE is that really scary though? That's been standard operating procedure in the game industry for years.

[BG11579]

@4show, all or almost all of the exclusive games for the Xbone were games that were being developped for the 360. MS just shifted the production to the Xbone, nothing else.
The advantage will be lost in the developpement of the next games...

[4Sh0w]

Familyguy any fanboy can just say KZ SF looks like crap, DC looks like crap l, inFamous SS looks like crap but its not proof. Its just fanboyism you can paste all the cutsecene stuff you want buy I know what my eyes see and Ryse has the best in game graphics Ive seen. I could understand if you disagree but to say it looks like crap is pure fanboyism, everyone with hands on love it or hate it still acknowledge how eye popping the graphics are.

[Computersaysno]

Is it still news Xbone is slower? Are people still trying to argue it isn't?

LOL you guys crack me up.

[Ritsujun]

Pitiful Microsofie, struggling since the Xbone180 reveal.

[ChrisW]

Good god!!! Of the [albeit small] number of "AGREES" that I got for my prior comment, I wonder how many actually believe that RAM is capable of doing something like that?

Wow... if so, it's paradoxically ludicrous!

[Consoldtobots]

if we get another gen of this crap it will just prove once and for all what a despicable company MS is who uses employees to act like "gamers" and post online under the guise of "real gamers" play both platforms yada yada yada.

truth is anyone that supports a corporation that holds an entire industry hostage to it's greed and lack of tech know how is a moron who needs to be run out of this hobby along with MS. Some people/corporations are involved in gaming with good intentions, others.........well we saw the backlash they created when they showed their true colors with the xbones draconian DRM.

[r1sh12]

@blac0o..
YOu are actually stupid.
The level of politics in any industry can never be seen till youre involved in it.
Why do you think that generally all Multi-plats look very similar? Politics - Face it MS might not have the better performing console but they have might to squeeze any game publisher to do anything (within reason). The partnerships, and tie ups is how for some strange reason MS had somtehing to do with the PS3 cell processor.

The hardware companies that have contributed to the consoles (PS4, X1) - both rely heavily on MS.
I mean they need to work with Windows and MS has the political pull to ensure games will not look significantly different.
First party titles are different.

Sony have a different advantage - the won consumers back. LAst gen it was very negative for the PS3, but now how the tables have turned.
Sony did many things right, and they have consumer power on their side ATM.
Trust me, Politics plays a very big part in Multiplat games and it always will

[G20WLY]

I think you're right, MS were caught off guard. That's probably why they moved games like Ryse from 360 to XBone, as well.

There's definitely a theme emerging, whereby developers agree PS4 is the stronger machine. It seems to be gradually moving from 'marginally' to 'considerably' as each new comment is published too...

Time will tell.

[G20WLY]

^Oh nice, a personal attack. :(

Not sure what I said to deserve that, but still. If you disagree with what I said, you could just say why.

I think what I said is true. If it was the other way around AND MS hadn't played silly games with an entire industry, I would buy Xbox, it's that simple. :|

[Thehyph]

This article is better than most because it's more descriptive, and it contains hypothetical examples.

I don't care if my future ps4 looks a bit better than Xbox One. If I wanted to "win" anything, it would be ease of development and install base. These are more important than a relative graphics disparity. It looks like Sony is doing a good job on this front.

Both consoles are going to be fun. That's what matters.

[Cuzzo63]

@G20WLY dnt worry bout him. Another biased, jealous, insecure fanturd.

@Kuse Just get the system you prefer and deal with it. Its not our fault the the Xb1 is underpowered compared to ps4. I might be some things the xb1 does better than ps4 if it makes you feel better. Shit, they have kinetic and a cable guide.... embrace it like alot of use did with the ps3 cell.

[SilentNegotiator]

What is it with fanboys (that always complain about ps fanboys) and the phrase "circle jerk"? They use it constantly.

[bligmerk]

This has been MS PR and spin doctoring after Gamescom:

http://memecrunch.com/meme/...

[MizTv]

It's the same old story with m$

[pyramidshead]

'Good read'.

[G20WLY]

Well that depends who's reading it...

"Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers...as “horrible”."

OUCH >_<

[Redgehammer]

Until people step forward ang give their names, and company, they don't exist. It's the same way all anonymous Xbox tipsters, are lying, on this site, then so must be these tipsters.

Not that It truly matters, but I still don't buy it, until I see side by side performance stats from respectable gaming sites, well, "Then Monty, then" it is true; concordantly, I will make sure it gets the golf clap it deserves. If false, well then the sniffling, whining, and bu bu bu's, will be fun to watch.

[monkeyDzoro]

@nukeitail

- PS4 has 40-50% more raw power than Xbone.
- PS4 memory reading is faster than Xbone's
- But Xbone memory writing is faster than PS4's

Yes they said, "not optmized" BUT do you think they said it just for Xbone. It's for both consoles. So when they'll optimize, they'll optimize both and PS4 will still have that 40/50% raw power advantage.

Got it ? If you wanna play smart, use your brain till the end.

[Death]

I dunno. We'll have to wait and see if there is a noticable difference. The Xbox One architecture is more complex which is why they say the esram is a pain. They also said the drivers aren't very good yet. As the drivers improve and the kinks get worked out performance will increase.

Alot depends on the devs too. Naughty Dog clearly understood the PS3 more than most.

[kneon]

The ESRAM is a pain because there is so little of it. So developers really need to do a lot of work to figure out exactly which data and operations would benefit the most from using the ESRAM over the DRAM. It's a very limited resource so they need to be careful how they use it.

It's as if Microsoft were not paying attention to the problems developer were having this gen.

[thereapersson]

360 fans are now defending a harder to develop for system? I thought that's what the ps3 was lambasted for last gen.

[3-4-5]

It will take about 3-4 years for us to notice that difference in power in terms of games being noticeably different on Ps4 vs XB1.

[DivineAssault]

i agree 100%! Sony built this beast & was ready to release it this year while M$ probably wasnt.. I bet M$ didnt think sony was going with 8GB of GDDR5.. Hell even 1st party developers were under the impression that it was only 4GB.. They kept it hush hush & finalized the decision to put in 8GB at the last minute so M$ thought theyd kill em with more memory lol.. Man i cant wait for PS4.. Its going to be amazingly great to have ps4/psv combo as well as ps vita tv when it launches to stream PS4 games to different tvs in the house.. When gaikai gets put into the mix, there will be endless opportunities! movies, games, & music anywhere anytime (that has wifi)

[Morgue]

Microsoft got called out and even though they probably haven't, it seems to me that they really only started working on this console after the PS4 announcement. I'm also not interested in 7/8's of the features inside that thing so $499.99 for an 1/8th of games is not worth it too me.

[otherZinc]

People can continue to quote nameless SONY devs on power differences, meanwhile, Forza 5 is separating itself from the pack!

Killzone:SF, Knack, and Drive Club are all SONY exclusives, why are none of them running 1080p @ 60fps? The article ju st said devs would need to sacrifice frame rate on multiplats so they wouldn't shame the other console. Well, Forza 5 is talking with performance!

The so called journalist at EDGE Magazine should've asked these developers; hay "where are your games running 1080p "native" @60fps like Forza 5 on the XBOX ONE"?

An answer would impress me. Talk is cheap!

[SilentNegotiator]

What's impressive about a racer running at 1080p, 60fps in the 8th gen? GT5 ran at almost 1080p and almost 60fps and that was the 7th gen.

Driveclub is aiming for 60fps: www.thesixthaxis.com/2013/06/1 8/driveclub-will-support-all-ps 4-wheels-studio-aiming-at-60fps /
...it was just one of their demonstrations that went with 30fps.

KZ:SF *IS* 1080p 60fps in multiplayer and 1080p and "running far above 30fps...aiming 60fps" in SP.
http://www.gamechup.com/kil...
http://www.playstationlifes...

....so my question is this: why are you spreading false information?

[dantesparda]

"Forza 5 is separating itself from the pack!"

No, its not

And you are the most delusional fanboy on this thread

[D1LLW3ED]

@ OtherZinc ... Well said good sir, well said indeed.

[MizTv]

Maybe you should look into killzone
Because you just sound like a ass

[walkincarpet]

the good news is that in the end the graphical difference won't be much. How many times have you read that the graphical leap from the current gen to the next gen won't be as noticable? If that is true then what will the difference be between two next systems that are very similar? Do you want slightly better graphics? Or do you want next gen gameplay with dedicated Kinect 2, Azure cloud, and the ever vastly superior xbox live? Sony gamers will find themselves playing in the same way that they have played for the past two generations while Xbox One gamers will be riding the waves of innovation. Can't wait.

[dantesparda]

I stand corrected , walkingcarpet is even more delusional. Man, has he been drinking the kool aid

[jgrigs09]

You obviously didn't read that article about Hot Chips conference, they said it will be almost impossible for the Xbox to have another Red Ring Of Death

[kneon]

I would be shocked if they didn't spend a lot of extra effort to ensure that the XB1 is he most reliable console next gen, they can't afford another RROD like debacle.

[jmc8888]

The problem most people forget is, once you start rushing, all the safeguards in place go out the window.

It's one thing to say you'll never repeat the Xbox 360 red ring of death, but the Xbox One IS NOT the Xbox 360.

It's a different design, with different potentials for flaws, so on and so forth...when you start rushing it, that's when flaws get overlooked.

I agree it probably is nearly impossible that they have another RRoD disaster with the Xbox 360, but this is the Xbox One and we're all more interested in whether this different process that breaches outside the confines of the lessons/concepts they learned creates another RRoD.

I didn't see the hot chip conference, but hopefully they didn't use statistical quackery to make the case. If so, it didn't tell you anything. Statistical quackery are guesses, in reality something is 0 or 1. So there's many ways statistically to be fooled into think that a certain console might not fail, or your poop doesn't stink, or that indeed pigs fly. Statistics can show you anything, none of which is real. So hopefully hot chips didn't delve into that crap.

Either way, why people would say it cannot happen is a bit off. It's different people, different design, and who knows what else is different. The pressure to release let the fault that caused RRoD through. It's RUSHING that is the biggest threat, because any flaw underneath can be overlooked. Last I checked, Microsoft is rushing like hell.

So hopefully for Xbox One owners there won't be a RRoD type disaster. I hated having one, and numerous other problems. But the conditions that created RRoD, are here for Xbox One...thus why anyone would say it's nearly impossible is simply hubris.

[AtomicGerbil]

They also said there was no RROD issue with the 360 until their hand was forced......it's easy to say things.

[dethpuck]

Interesting. I don't really care I'm getting both consoles. Graphic power alone has never won a generation. Both consoles will have great looking exclusives.

[SilentGuard]

true, price usually does and again Sony has the advantage.

[SilentNegotiator]

And to think fanboys are STILL trying to make us believe that Xbox One is just as powerful as PS4 (or even more powerful, lol).

We don't even need Edge's "insider sources" since third party developers (People Can Fly, Avalanche studios, Gaijin Entertainment, Just Add Water, etc) have already confirmed this information a dozen times over.

[solidjun5]

I'm sure Nukeitall will have a way.

I stand corrected. He has. See above. ¬_¬

[nypifisel]

And people disagreed with me when this was EXACTLY what I said in one of the other articles. Jeez

[deadie]

So there you have it. PS4 > XBOX One in specs. Now it comes down to code.

[BallsEye]

All I see in this article is "developer said". No real sources no names. The best proof for anything are games. So far both consoles look great but certainly there is not a single ps4 game yet that surpass XO games in terms of graphics, so somehting is terribly wrong, if ps4 is so easy to develop on..or those claims are just BS. We will see pretty soon.

[TKCMuzzer]

Most launch games will play it safe. It's not on the surface where graphics may be noticeable but in other areas. Forza 5 has no night time or weather effects, that's not next gen but there is a good chance it would have effected their 60FPS if they had included it. Forza has always looked nice but it misses features that are important in a driving sim, we all drive at night and we all drive in different weather, so it really should be in a next gen driving sim.
This isn't a 'look who's better' but it may just show where the differences will lie in the future.

[dantesparda]

@Ballseye

Delusional!

[BallsEye]

@dantesparda

How am I delusional? I see beautiful games on XO, played real time on XO, that's all I care. I don't care if there is 100000000000000 ram and 228900000 cpus as long as games look great and so far they do.

[BG11579]

@BallsEye This is DC vs FZ gif, get you act together.

http://communityteam.softwa...
VS
http://fc04.deviantart.net/...

[Kidmyst]

I'm hoping the PS4 performance is a solid as it sounds and concerned that the XB1 was rushed. But when an article on either side of an argument says "Our source says" or "Another Source says" I take it with a grain of salt.

[2cents]

Power difference is there and could pose an issue if devs have to dumb down one multiplat to support the other. That's not fair at all that the playstation version should suffer at the hands of the One.

With that it mind, im still dubious about this article as none of the sources are confirmed, so many bits of info conflict with eachother when it comes to the Xbox based on the tidal wave of articles around the specs and theoretical possibilities of the custom gubbins in the box.

We owe it to both sides to wait and see the actual differences in visual fidelity, this will only be possible with first party 2nd wave of games. But... That's a looong time to wait :(

[KRUSSIDULL]

Lots of "sources" and one "developer" say. Poor article come doesn't even mention one source.

It sounds like the author just made it all up to get hits. I'm not saying Xbox One is as powerful as PS4 because the specs says otherwise but anyone can pretend to have sources.

I suggest go read some articles where there are actual quotes from developers and not made up bullshit.

[NextGen24Gamer]

"The difference between cross platform launch window games will be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console."

This writer gives no sources to what So-called developers he is talking to. I actually don't believe he talked to anyone and he is just basing he article off of the basic info that is already out there. Why would developers agree to be interviewed by him but yet he doesn't even say who he is talking to?

[DoesUs]

They're insiders, you know like insiders like from them links you spammed everyone with a few days ago? See you in November!

FACT. MS Made a dependable machine based around a DD3 setup...chucked a load of custom silicon to aleviate the bandwidth issues. You spout about these "15 processors magic" Do you actually know what these are? If you did, you wouldn't be touting them as some secret sauce. And please for the love of god, STOP posting about the bandwidth figures, they are borked and you know they are. Only 32meg of data can be utilised in the EDRam, Sony has....well they have it all (minus overheads) running at its maximum. But please, carry on...Its hilarious seeing you squirm, like you have since E3.

Sony got lucky as larger GDDR5 modules became available, but also chucked a load of custom silicon inside to further enhance. All this before the vastly superior GPU is plonked in 8)

MS created the XB1 as best they could in the time available using the resources set aside.

Sony did exactly the same..only struck gold once the large modules became available.

Simple.

[NextGen24Gamer]

DoesUS

Which explains why Microsoft has said from day 1 that the xbox one is capable of 4k gaming and Sony has stated that the ps4 can't do 4k gaming. Something doesn't add up. What could it be? LOL...Really not that conmplicated. It's all right there in our faces on the HOTCHIP slides.

Ps4 = off the shelf high quality next gen parts

Xbox one = highly customized parts to make for more efficient next gen gaming. Thus the possible 4k games at some point.

Really its not that complicated. That's what more money gets you btw.

Devs have only recently received the Stereo drivers from MS. That unlocks all the extra highly customized architecture in the xbox one. Game will run a lot smoother and 1080p won't be a problem.

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

But if touting TFLOPS of the GPU & bragging about the better RAM in the Ps4 makes you feel better about your purchase...that's good for you.

The games are the proof. And fanboys will always think THEIR consoles games are the best...and I don't have a problem with that. I'm just super excited for my xbox one. The tech is spectacular and it's a monster of a machine.

[clonerz]

It is possible any major developers could have stated this and asked to remain anonymous to avoid action from publisher and Microsoft

[Mikeyy]

Elite24Gamer...

You need to stop for the love of god, you tell us about some magical Descrete GPU for months, and now you are on about 4k gaming again.

Do that research you "Love to do" and look up what it takes to do 4k gaming. Look hard, read, notice those are $4000 rigs, and are still struggling to run in 4k? now humor us, how in the hell is the Xbone going to do 4k gaming?

neither the xbone nor PS4 are going to do any 4k gaming beyond something like Super Meat Boy. Indies will be able to do 4k, because they don't usually sport much in the graphics department.

You will NEVER play Halo in 4k I promise you, least not till the next Xbox gets announced.

[ziggurcat]

"his writer gives no sources to what So-called developers he is talking to"

... and yet it's okay in your eyes that misterx publishes nonsense from an anonymous "source" who has been proven to be wrong *every single time*...

edit: and for the last time - 4K games will not be possible on xbone. they won't even happen on PS4. 4K support, again, is for *video playback, not games*.

[JunioRS101]

"better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers"

I don't like that idea at all. You know whose feathers it will ruffle? PS4 owners who are interested in that game.

To act like it's unfair to make the PS4 version better is way less reasonable than to deliberately downgrade the PS4 version so that the people making the money (not spending the money) are happier.

I don't want developers to hold back on the PS4 version just because X1 engineers decided to hold back on its hardware...

I really don't appreciate that quote, whoever said it.

[dantesparda]

Amen! I so agree with you and if i find out who's doing this, i will not buy their games.

[Mikeyy]

It's a policy MS had in place last gen also. It shows the ignorance of that company. it says "If we are somehow not earning 1st place, we get 1st place anyway" This company doesnt enjoy sport, it mearly looks for a cheat to win or an easy A.

The only way MS can win, is to sabotage the enemy, sad really.

If the PS4 outsells the xbox 4 to 1, im sure more and more 3rd parties will ignore this clause, because MS won't have much pulling power anymore.

[Consoldtobots]

exactly Mikey, for the sake of REAL gaming we should all see this sad corporation obliterated from the face of it.

[starchild]

@Mikeyy

Proof?

You Sony fanboys have been saying this all last generation, but you have always failed to provide proof.

The reason Sony fans ever came up with this silly idea is that they misunderstood a policy that had nothing to do with the visuals or performance of games, and they had to come up with some reason why the supposedly-superior PS3 most often had the inferior multiplatform games.

Well, the real reason is that the PS3 was more difficult to extract performance from and it had a weaker GPU and less RAM to work with due to higher operating system overhead. THIS is the reason multiplats were often better on the 360, not some ridiculous policy that anybody with an ounce of common sense would tell you would never fly with developers.

Not only that, but the PS3 did have quite a few games that were superior over the 360 versions, which wouldn't have happened if there really was such a policy in place.

You'll see when the PS4 and Xbox One come to market that the PS4 WILL have the better looking versions.

There never has been, nor will there ever be, such a policy as you describe.

The developers and publishers wouldn't go for it and Sony wouldn't go for it either. Do you think Sony would have allowed developers to purposely gimp PS3 versions of games? Do you think the screen tearing and frame rate dips and poor anti-aliasing was because MS mandated it?

If you guys really believe that, you are even more out of touch with reality than I thought.

[imt558]

@nukeitall

One thing is to be XO developer, another thing multiplatform developer.

"Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer."

So, this qoute from XO developer is pure bullshit

"ur contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One, and its ALU (Arithmetic Logic Unit) is around 50 per cent faster. One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM,” concluded one developer."

Quote from multiplatform developer. And that's a true.

[jmc8888]

So basically a gap pretty much guessed at my many people based on common sense.

The ESRAM being a pain is also common sense.

What it means is, in terms of last generation....you'll have the weaker power of a 360, downclocked a bit, coupled with the difficulty in developing a game with the cell processor.

Thank Kinect, because it would be incredibly dishonest to say that a peripheral that most won't use that is about half the cost of the Xbox One didn't play a part in deciding to use ESRAM.

But in doing so, they screwed themselves with the developers. Oh sure it can still be coded and many still will, but few will do it in a proficient manner.

True the Xbox One devs could build 1st party games, like Sony did this time...except instead of having a more powerful system they'll have to deal with the complexity and be underpowered by about half.

It is a pretty big gap, and like I've been guessing since everything is announced, via common sense, that it should result in a difference multiple times bigger then the 360 vs PS3 game differences.

That indeed would be a significant difference. Not one that utterly blasted, but one that there is a significant and noticeable difference and one that is hard to overlook, especially when the inferior setup costs $100 more.

I personally wonder if and if so how much of a discount they are giving the Xbox One due to horrible drivers. Are they seeing a 60-70-80 percent difference right now but assuming it will only be 50 percent by the time the drivers are fixed?

We'll see in time.

[SilentGuard]

Funny how MS touts how they have the greatest software programers in the world and will make up for the hardware difference with software, yet they are farther behind in driver development than Sony. "Another described Xbox One’s graphics drivers less charitably as “horrible”."

As for Kinect it truely was a bonheaded move to spend so much energy in its development and include it in every box. Beyond jacked up costs requiring less powerful hardware to remain cost competitive, developers won't use it in any meaningful way. If they did, anything they make would be a console exclusive. “They really want us to make use of platform specific stuff to give their version a leg up over the other,” said one source. “But unless there’s a good design reason or incentive we rarely do.”

All for the "magical experience" of saying "Xbox On"

[iiwii]

These developers who are being "forced" (by threat of not allowing their game on the MS console) should tell MS to go jump off a bridge. Do they really think MS is going to not allow COD or Battlefield or any other AAA game on their XB1 if the PS4 version looks better? Really? That would be suicide for Microsoft.

They should have some balls and stand up and produce the best game they can, using the PS4's assets to the limit. Then tell MS they will produce the very best version for their system as far as the limits of the system will allow. Nintendo has been having to accept this for years.

[heliumhead2030]

I don't care what any article says. I am not a believer

[Kayant]

@ 4Sh0w

I think this tells a different story ---> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and this ---> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

or this ----> http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And no they are not CGI and all games use the in-game engine for cutscenes so graphics are the same whether in gameplay or during cutscenes or maybe it's too hard to believe for you :p

[whoyouwit04]

It's funny whenever an anonymous source has something negative to say about Microsoft it's approved, but when it's something positive for xbox one or negative for Sony it's well anonymous sources are no longer allowed on N4G.

[Bzone24]

Multiple high-level game development sources...
Our contacts...
concluded one developer...
though one developer...
said another source...
said one source...
Another described...
said one developer...
said one source...
Another stated...
One source...
countered by a contact..."

I love it how the author took various rumors that have been floating around the internet and attached an anonymous developer/source/contact to it.

Sorry to interrupt the sony circle jerk, carry on.

[AbortMission]

http://forums.na.leagueofle...

Lmao at the Xbots who are still trying to make the Cablebox one seem superior.

[UltraNova]

If anyone here believes or hopes that Microsoft will allow multiplats to way in favor of the most powerful console then you are seriously diluted.

[Madderz]

Diluted?

Did you mean deluded?

:D

[black0o]

Cheaper
better spec
better games
better support throw the up coming years
better "value" with PS+
the best in house devs

PS4 FTW!

[gaelic_laoch]

Can't argue with those FACT's!

Also

Truly Innovative Controller with No AA's or Vibrating Triggers!
Smaller
Gaikai
Vita Remote Play
It's not an xbonE

[negative]

Truly innovative controller LOL

Now I've heard it all!

[BattleTorn]

Lol, you actually trying to say the rumble triggers are bad, and uninnovative?

"It's not an xbonE"

Way to reveal your true #1 reason.

[OlgerO]

People the differences in games are only going to increase as we get deaper in the lifecycles of these consoles. Be smart and buy a PS4 if you truly want to experience breathtaking games that only sony can provide to you.

[yewles1]

“It would be totally fine for us to make one version prettier without any political difficulties but it usually doesn’t make financial sense,”they said, “unless it’s a very simple tweak.”

*gets hot in here*

[sincitysir1]

What if micro pays.extra for similar ports =O they wouldnt do that...would they!?

[mandf]

They might not be in position to make those demands if ps4 has a larger install base.

[miyamoto]

pretty sure Sony has got this political issue addressed, planned for since 2008, prepared for etc. There is no way Kaz will let MS do a repeat performance this time.

This is why Sega Genesis vs SNES is the grearest rivalry of all time. third party get to make the most of the consoles capabilities.

[mandf]

I always thought the platform with with the biggest install base was lead platform.

[RiPPn]

I think it depends on the scenario, like the PS2 was harder to develop on but it had such an incredible install base that it was the lead platform even when the OG Xbox came out and was easier to develop for.

The 360 was the easiest to develop for, but it was the Wii that had the largest install base. However we know the issue with the Wii and 3rd parties.

This gen Nintendo will face the same issue so it will be between the PS4 Bone and PC, Bone is hardest to develop for so it's likely out, so console only games will likely be developed on the PS4 while I could see PC being the lead for games on PC and console then the PS4 getting the best port then that ported to the Bone and Wii U. This is all speculation of course and it'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Not necessarily. It's up to the developer, and they're likely to take a good look at how the system architecture works with their engine.

[Eonjay]

Lead platform will be the PC. Usually the easiest platform gets the lead.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

"One basic example we were given suggested that without optimisation for either console, a platform-agnostic development build can run at around 30FPS in 1920×1080 on PS4, but it’ll run at “20-something” FPS in 1600×900 on Xbox One. “Xbox One is weaker and it’s a pain to use its ESRAM"

Pretty much what we're used to hearing.Just even more confirmation.Also note that, any praise you hear from Xbone devs or devs trying to be neutral never say Xbone looks better or is more powerful.

They say things like, the difference is "negligible", they're "pretty much" the same, not "that" big a difference or "kind of similar"

The best they can do is try to reach parity.Some people are in for a rude awakening in the next few years lol.

Also this little tidbit -

"if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

Ugh.That is my main concern.I should not have to suffer because MS is shoddy and making a decent console.

[Niv]

As soon as the ps4 install base becomes significantly larger than the xbones, devs won't be afraid to push graphics further on ps4

[MazzingerZ]

Vote with your wallet and in their internet forums, if PS4 has the biggest install base( it will) devs and publishers must listen to you, my hope is that small devs choose to release only on PS4 due to PS4 offering shorter and hence cost effective dev times, those games would look awesome and together with SONY's 1st party games, force multiplatform to release the version PS4 customers deserves

I hope SONY do somwthing regarding this as well, we are the ones buying the product and we want the promised quality, otherwise what's the point if all that "power" talk? 1st party is not enough

[RiPPn]

I'm not sure how much I buy the devs are going to gimp games on the PS4 to keep parity. They don't gimp PC version so why would they gimp a specific console version?

Also it's not like they are just competing with the Bone version and the Bone exclusives, they have to compete with Sony first party titles, and if they gimp versions of their games people will just move to the exclusive franchise. It just doesn't make any sense.

The reason there was parity this gen is because the consoles themselves were pretty on par, 360 had better video while the PS3 had a better CPU, they balanced out. And that's not even factoring in the difficulty of programming for the PS3. That's all gone this gen, so I don't see it being the same scenario, or maybe it's just wishful thinking?

[Dark_king]

Don't worry unlike the ps3 its not gonna cost more to get a equal performance.An yes it actually cost more to make ps3 games look the same as 360 games.This was the major reason why they aimed for platform parity.Why spend millions more on the ps3 version to make it look somewhat better.
Now with PS4 an XB1 the roles are extremely different not only is the ps4 easier to work with its also more powerful.It will cost more to dev on XB1 then PS4 this gen.

[FamilyGuy]

It' lame too, they don't force parity with PC and they don't force parity with the Wii or Wii-U yet for Xbox and PS games devs have to ignore power differences for some reason.

It's complete bs.

I know we say competition helps the industry or whatever but screw that, I want to see the best PS4 version possible. I hope Sonys install base blows MSs out the water so we don't have to have devs worried about pleasing MS or even being concerned with selling less on that console.

[AceBlazer13]

Thank God for exclusives.

[EXVirtual]

Some games like KH3 and FF15 that are being developed on a level which is beyond both consoles and ported down, will be easily differentiated, because they're basically maximizing the consoles. PS4 will show a huge difference there, especially with how long those games are being developed for (more optimization and games taking more and more power). I'm glad about that to say the least.
But like the guys above said, they'll have to listen to us when the PS4 has a significantly larger install base.

[GribbleGrunger]

This is going to get hot fast

[pyramidshead]

Disregarding if this is actually true or not, this is definitely not the type of news you'd want to let stew over the weekend.

It's rather damning, ouch.

[GribbleGrunger]

I don't think Sony will take this sitting down. They may accept certain similarities with launch titles but they'll be regularly calling in on devs to ask them why they've not utilised the strengths of the PS4 with second generation games.

[Xsilver]

Sony has always been saying that you will see a difference in multiplatform games especially with the PS4 so i'm guessing the devs have told sony this.
lets wait and see so far I've only seen multiplatform games running on PS4 watch dogs and AC4 are always shown running on PS4.

[FamilyGuy]

Destiny too, but that probably also has to do with the significantly lower amount of development time needed to get games up and running on PS4 hardware.

I knew that esram thing would cause headaches for devs, Sony went the easy-to-program route this time and MS decided to make theirs more complicated -_-

Beyond forced parity games could essentially come out months earlier on PS4 because of the shortened development time but devs will never do that. Well indies might & are but not the big dev studios.

[DOOMZ]

They didn't even include CLOUD COMPUTING, or state which dev kit they were using in the review?!? Like I said, just wait for both to have launched, then we shall see...

[warczar]

@doomz

that must be why Ryse looks so average, they haven't been able to utilize the power of THE CLOUD. Keep touting the theoretical power of THE CLOUD, I'll take actual specs any day of the week.

[Xsilver]

So you're comparing raw power to something that has to be connected to the "internet" to see its full potential wow just wow, are you serious so if my internet goes down everything gets watered down yeah that's bad.

[WeaseL]

http://i.minus.com/iK7Ws8iw...

[jairusmonillas]

Good read! I'm not surprised Xbox One is really weaker. Don't forget it made Kinect 2.0 as mandatory, that thing is close to $150~$200 so Microsoft can only spend $300~$350 for Xbox One's hardware.

And also, Sony is a hardware company. Microsoft is really a software company. huge difference.

[Nekroo91]

well they are going to receive profits since launch so i guess the ps4 arrond 300 to 350 and the xbox 250 + kinect 150-200.

so the xbox would get more money right?! Nop because sony can produce more at a cheaper price

[LordDhampire]

no xbox probably costs just as much since they put so much into development of that custom cpu with the 15 extra processors

[Mikeyy]

LOL, i havent been on for a few days, is this some new BS elite24 is spreading?

just like his descrete GPU, that everybody has been keeping secret about all this time, at the cost of a catastrophic PR hit to the xbox brand as a whole.

[Brazz]

This!
ya are correct! sony is a hardware company and microsoft is prior a software company that is turning in a hardware company.
Microsoft lacks the base for hardware construction that give Sony a advantage. look at the microsoft buy of Nokia, this thing prove that microsoft still need to grow a lot in the production of hardware!
A lower production generally leads to higher costs, add it to the patent bluray, and I guarantee that the production costs of the xbox are on the same level as the ps4.
(even if the xbox one is less than the ps4, the production value is practically the same and Kinectic is killing microsoft with a $ 100 higher price)

[KRUSSIDULL]

And that is why Samsung why Samsung also has the best price/performance ratio.

[thrust]

Lies! But fanboys will lap this up, if ms said somthin the other way around it would be lies....

Both console games will look the same or very little between them am willing to bet my house on that.

Only thing am worried about is I hope the sonys psn does not hamper the Xbox live versions.(as most games are online this gen)

[FlunkinMonkey]

That's because it wouldn't add up as the PS4 specs are substantially stronger, and the comments wouldn't fall in line with what other neutral developers have been saying about the systems.

You are so desperate ye ol' straw clutcher.

[thrust]

Nope! Wait till the consoles are out. Both the same or very little between them.

[FlunkinMonkey]

"Nope! Wait till the consoles are out. Both the same or very little between them."

O yes of course.. Pardon me, how can i deny such qualitative statements such as that, you got me there...

You are little to no substance, every time.

[thrust]

Shhhhhh, lets just wait and see ok pumpkin!

[GribbleGrunger]

So, your only hope now is that multiplatform developers DO gimp the PS4 version? How sad.

[bcrazy18]

Everyone needs to calm down. I've had it's plenty of people say that the difference is minimal to nothing in terms of both consumers graphics output. Let's just wait until the consoles to come out.Last I checked, Forza 5 is looking pretty damn good as well as battlefield on the Xbox one so... Please, let's just so the bickering about this as it's childish. Sony livers run in packs and downgrade anything that ms does so this article and the comments don't surprise me any.

[torchic]

@bcrazy

we have never seen Battlefield 4 running on an Xbox One. its almost as if that particular version doesn't exist.

[gaelic_laoch]

"Both console games will look the same or very little between them am willing to bet my house on that"

I'll take your house but you can take your XbOnE with you saying that there is no shame in admitting the xBoNe will be inferior graphic wise but as I said umpteen times it WILL have its own cult following and a substantial niche market!

[thrust]

You will not get my house tho, because there will not be this 50% difference.

Sorry mate but when the consoles come out you will see.

[Mikeyy]

Good reading comprehension, I see through your BS thrust. You might not look "wrong" because there might be very little difference between 3rd party games at LAUNCH, but down the line, the differences will be known, up to 50% difference.

We all know launch games, are never an indicator of what consoles are capable of.

[Nekroo91]

the little difference you said came from Carmack but he said no tests were made. and if devs say theres a 30 to 50% difference its not huge but it gives 5 or 10 fps boost.

[RiPPn]

"Lies! But fanboys will lap this up,"

More like fanboys will just ignore facts and pretend they are lies so they can feel good about choosing to pay more for the weaker console.

Spin is fun.

[Xsilver]

they get sadder by the minute.

[Schizoid]

Dude don't worry your NFL is gonna look great. MS is famous for pushing out a product and then figuring out how to fix it later. So give them time they will think of something. I'm disappointed too. Really wanted both consoles but oh well.

[FamilyGuy]

Read and try to comprehend.
Any parity/similarity you see is based on this.
One console (the PS4) is more powerful and easier to develop for but multiplatform devs aren't going to let us enjoy that.

"One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

[Cuzzo63]

How would psn hamper xblive. Im confused on that one. It didnt happen last gen so why now. the online network is totally different from a video game I thought. Maybe you jus said it wrong

[iiwii]

No he didn't say it wrong. He is actually trying to make people believe that it is an issue. It's not. Never has been and never will be. And if he really believes that it could happen, well then it shows a lot about his lack of knowledge.

Or he could just be trolling.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

thrust + 14h ago
Lies! But fanboys will lap this up, if ms said somthin the other way around it would be lies....

Both console games will look the same or very little between them am willing to bet my house on that.

Only thing am worried about is I hope the sonys psn does not hamper the Xbox live versions.(as most games are online this gen)
#8

Yea you say its lies... we believe you /s

[1nsomniac]

"if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

I just don't understand this mindset at all, it only started happening last gen but it doesn't benefit anyone!

Just shows how weak developers are!

[jairusmonillas]

But the situation is different now, that would work well with 360 cause it had 1 year headstart and almost twice cheaper than the price of ps3 so 3rd parties really had no choice. this time though. Microsoft will have the position ps3 had (expensive and weaker) they can't demand anything unless they want to lose support of 3rd party cause ps4 would outsell xbox one easily.

[TheTwelve]

No worries. Third party developers still want to compete with 1st party at least somewhat. Once Sony starts putting out 1st party games that utilize the PS4s potential, 3rd party devs will have to level up on the PS4 to remain competitive.

[parentoftheyear]

That puts into perspective why naughty dog and media molecule etc do not have those amazing ip's as launch titles. They possibly could have made it and the games are getting tweaked Over and over so when they come out they will really stand out.

[shahab91]

Time for some damage control I guess lolololol

[DEEBO]

heard all before,MS follower's getting played for some fools,but the lies an't working now,looking who's hurting now,that's why sony had to shut you down.sony had to shut you down!good lucky with that weak hardware and eyetoy3.0 sucker's!

[HollowZbankai]

Could it be that one is a Playstation and the "other" is an Xbox. I think we know which will be better down the line, heck at launch even.

[shahab91]

I have been hearing all the time that ps4 is more powerful than x1 ( not going into the debate by how much) but I have never seen any developer saying x1 being slightly or more powerful than ps4. This sums it up i guess.

[buffig]

News just in! MS to make all 30+ launch games free with day one edition!

[MasterCornholio]

"They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

Well i hope this doesnt happen.

What developers need to do is make the game as best as possible on each platform and not gimp the more powerful platform. I dont care if the superior platform is the XBOX One or the PS4 if its gimped then that would be bad for owners of the more capable system which is unfair in my opinion.

[DOOMZ]

We will see when thy are both out... All this BS is nothing without the proof & comparable performance!

[kenshiro100]

Pretty sure there was truth in the article.

[D0ffy]

As much as I think the said statements are true and probable, it really annoys me that we don't get any sources detailed. Lowers the credibility of the article by a huge margin in my opinion, even though Edge might be a well known magazine.

Anyway, hope this is true. Not because I want the Xbox One to fail like all the fanboys, but because I've decided to go with the PS4 initially and then the Xbox when there are so many exclusives that I can't keep my money away from it. If what the article claims is in fact true, that would mean I'd get the most powerful console at launch and that wouldn't be bad at all.

I want the PS4 first because the games announced for the PS4 compared to Xbox One and the general system look more interesting to me personally and nothing else. Not because of brand loyalty, not because of fanboyism, not beacuse of general bulls**t. Sony has just done a way better job at selling their console so far and that has paid off in regards to my needs.

Can't way for this gen though. I am more than ready!

[TheRealHeisenberg]

Well said, +1. Best comment in here so far and is word for word exactly how I feel.

[D0ffy]

I'm only trying to fight stupidity with reason. Sometimes I wonder why I still visit this site because of the moronic comments I regularly come across (the whole ridiculous console war). Don't get me wrong, it's good to see competition between the giants since that pushes each respective company to make a better product. But the console war between the keyboard fighters of the internet is just idiotic and doesn't bring any good at all.

Good to see that some people still have their mind in the right places and I'm glad you agree. Now I remember why I'm still active on N4G :)

[TheRealHeisenberg]

@ D0ffy

Lol, just stop it. You are making too much sense and that is frowned upon here on N4G. I'll have to put you on ignore if you keep this up.

I too at times wonder why I visit this site. I even banned myself several times because I got tired of all the foolishness that continues to go on in the comments section. I keep coming back though because there is a ton of good gaming information here. Things have been so much better since I started using the ignore function and it has been put to use a lot lately.

Another +1 for continuing the fight against stupidity here on N4G. Somebody has to because I gave up on it a long time ago.

[D0ffy]

@TheRealHeisenberg

Haha, okay I'll stop now ;)

I agree. I like the fact that a lot of interesting gaming news from different sites are all gathered here. Makes it much easier to get a good overview.

I do sometimes enjoy the comments section though, there are some genuine hilarious and/or intelligent moments somewhere buried in here. To bad it's not the majority though.

[Madderz]

Get a room!

:P

[Quicktopick]

u and heisen, I see sparks flying.

I kid I kid =)

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Edge "This is your next console."

Everything you think you know about the power of these consoles is a lie. Especially this:

"PlayStation 4 is currently around 50 percent faster."

This was a blatent lie that has long since been disproven, direct from the marketing dept, but Edge chose to use it anyway. Although rabid fanboys will obviously disagree, we have proven there is a clear pattern of bias coming from edge.

[Kuse]

These rumor mill posts are just blatant lies, nothing is ever conclusive and these so call mysterious contacts? Give me a break....

[pyramidshead]

Just FYI:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Try again.

edit: oh and this, http://www.edge-online.com/...

[MultiConsoleGamer]

NeoGAF?

NeoGAF told us the 360 version of GTA IV was "gimped" and had problems. It was a lie.

NeoGAF told us the Nintendo DS would be discontinued and replaced with a portable GameCube. Another blatant lie.

NeoGAF hid sales numbers for the PS3, PSP and the Vita for several years, even though their source received the data every single month.

After getting busted for spreading the 50% lie, NeoGAF desperately tried to push damage control that claimed the original author of the lie was talking about production time and not raw power.

At this point the only people who believe anything posted on NeoGAF are mouth breathing, agenda driven fanboy morons who don't really care about facts. GAF may be a great place to talk about games but its the last place you want to visit if you're looking for the truth.

PS: posting a 7 year old Wii related cover and a 10 year old Xbox cover does not disprove the obvious blatant recent bias of edge towards everything Sony related.

[Hicken]

The marketing department disproved a tech-related statement?

[GraveLord]

It's not a "bias". Edge doesn't work for Sony or Microsoft. There is no bias at work here. They cover news and make reviews on all platforms. PS4 is clearly the better console and they are telling us the truth. This will be the best console next-gen.

Not every website is on Microsofts payroll. EDGE is one of the few that can speak their minds and openly choose sides. Nothing wrong with that.

I bet if Edge was siding with the Xbox One you would be singing a different tune. Stay mad brah.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

>Stay mad brah.

There's the reply of a completely impartial, non bias gamer. You're not a fanboy GraveLord, not at all.

BTW, I bought every Sony console and portable at launch. Over the past 15 years when people criticized the power of those systems I always responded with "it's not about power its about the games." I was obviously right, just like you're obviously wrong, about everything. Keep up your crusade little fanboy warrior.

[falviousuk]

TYpical N4G headline grabbing story.

Why was this paragraph not used instead

'Xbox One does, however, boast superior performance to PS4 in other ways. “Let’s say you are using procedural generation or raytracing via parametric surfaces – that is, using a lot of memory writes and not much texturing or ALU – Xbox One will be likely be faster,” said one developer.'

[Flutterby]

Cool so if there is a new text adventure the xbone may come out in top for speed in that game , you must be proud lol

[buffig]

Yeah, lets pray there are loads of Xbone games without textures!

[black0o]

that thing helps apps better then games ''who cares'' but the texture is alot important which ps4 does 50% faster

[Baka-akaB]

So people are consolling themselves with raytracing , and particularly that brand and use ? It's the bright and shiny future that has yet to become a norm on pc yet , let alone universal use on any of the future two consoles

[Angels3785]

So.....use the statement that says "xbox one is a better app user and multitasked, but is much weaker in compairison for practical game usage....like one of the most important things....textures...." that is essentially the article.

[worldwidegaming]

Its going to be a rude awakening!
No company in their right mind is going to make multiplat games and make
One 50% better in today's world.. The lowest number wins hands down. I mean they want money!
Money! This is why you hear neutral words! People will stick with their brand cigarettes
Even though they know its killing them and say "its the taste" but not that "its killing me"
Exclusives win the day and only exclusives make a console shine. Nintendo knows this
Microsoft know this and sony does too. Exclusives sell consoles!
They are all gonna lie to us or twist words to explain stuff..hell, some companies dont
Even explain anymore...just buy or shut up is their motto...

[Kuse]

"anonymous" developers...

so basically...hearsay...

[abusador]

Yeah the fact spec sheets on both consoles is hearsay too, smh, Oh the fanboys.

[Picnic]

Call me old fashioned but when a bandwagon gets going, no matter how valid it might be, I start wanting the tortoise to beat the hare.

In sales figures, the PS4 will probably deserve to sell more simply because of the history of indie games and the quality of Naughty Dog / SCE Japan. I love the PS3 and the PS4 is going to pick up that gauntlet with ease,

But in individual game sales, every console always has a few exclusives that their competition do not quite match.

You can be the most passionate Sony supporter in the world and right about it but if you think that makes you superior to people who make Xbox One games then you are an arrogant, deluded fool. They're all artists. You're a consumer, a player and a fan. But not necessarily an artist.

[Picnic]

Call me old fashioned but when a bandwagon gets going, no matter how valid it might be, I start wanting the tortoise to beat the hare.

In sales figures, the PS4 will probably deserve to sell more.
I love the PS3 and the PS4 is going to pick up that gauntlet with ease,

But in individual game sales, every console always has a few exclusives that their competition do not quite match.

You can be the most passionate Sony supporter in the world but if you think that makes you superior to people who make Xbox One games then you are an arrogant, deluded fool.

What do you disagree with you anonymous noneity?

[BattleTorn]

Wanna see how to get disgrees on N4G:

Both Xbox One and PS4 owners will enjoy their consoles immensely.

[Picnic]

What's really annoying is that people don't even say what they disagree with. They just love to hate. It seems that the more balanced the post the higher the likelihood that it will get disagrees. My post partly says that although the PS4 probably deserves to sell more some individual games on the Xbox One might deserve to sell more than a PS4 game you might choose to set them up in a versus match with. It's obvious really. And then I big up the actual people who make the games on any console. Since when did any audience in any art form deserve to think itself superior to the show? They don't pay people to play games- you pay them because they are doing the creative stuff.
As I say, not only can very few people make games of any note but it seems that very few can argue properly either. As a result they take their lack of education and ability to make gentlemanly discourse out in the form of hate.

[ruefrak]

I think it's obvious from everything we've heard that Microsoft's software just isn't ready yet. Their devkits were sent out late. The drivers aren't ready. Add to this the extreme policy changes made to the OS, and they have a LOT of catching up to do.

[abusador]

I love articles like this and all the damage control and fanatics spin. There is no way around it and everbody in the industry minus microsoft employees say there is quite a difference in power (no not barelyba diff. Like fake, psuedo devs aka fanboys try to make it seem)

Expect many more first party games like second son to pass the graohical benchmark mantle to eachother like Sony did last gen. I expect microsoft to pay off or force 3rd party devs to gimp multiplat games and make them similar across the consoles. I hope Sony actively combatsvthis as its not fair to gamers. One thing is for sure ps4 will not have worse multis everytime and should actually have visually better ones iver xbone but microsoft will try to not let tht happen.

I see alot of head exploding again after more positive news of ps4s superiority. Killzone Sf and Infamous say helloooooooo best lookihg nxt gen games imoband have solid gameplay :)

[Jury]

Cheaper
50 % more power
More talented first party studios

The choice is easy. I'm off to neogaf to check out the gifs on this story :)

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Lmao at this article its full of lies and the saime tired old arguments. First off the article is still talking about that 50% more power BS and all summer long we haven't seen any ps4 games look any better than x1. The other blatant lie is shipping with significant better resolution?..

Until Sony announce thst the ps4 can play 4k blu ray and do narive 4k games the x1 has the superior resolution. This author of this article is definitely bias towards the ps4 and doesn't have a clue to what the hell he or she talking about. Saying the "ESRAM on the x1 is a pain to use" they've been using the same ESRAM for 8 years on the 360 .

[abusador]

Check your clouded fanboy eye sight Infamous craps on anything on xbone and so does killzone :) Stop lying to yourself. And hest thing thy not only look gd but play goid too cant say the same for u knw tht Gow clone lol

[Nekroo91]

keep talking trash fanboy , you mad?! you come to all these posts and dont accept reality

ps4 is 30 to 50% more powerfull?! why? because xbox instead of buying better hardware wasted their money on kinect. to have a console like the ps4 + kinect the console would cost 600.

and no x1 doesent have higher resolution both consoles support 1080p in teory but the ps4 achieves more fps , and esram its a pain to use compared to gdrr5 since you can use all its potential without tweaking anything

[FrigidDARKNESS]

The article is full of lies and im calling the author out on it. You folks from the other side should start doing research on your own instead of believing this fanboy article. The article is a joke and an embarassment.

[ShwankyShpanky]

"The article is full of lies and im calling the author out on it."

Just saying "Lies!" is not calling anyone out. You need to point to specific incorrect statements in the article, with specific factual refutation (so copy/pasting Penello's vagaries doesn't really count).

Good luck with that.

[DoesUs]

LMAO! Frigid Frigid my young fellow. Face the facts, XB1 is inferior...Don't cling on to something thats just not there. I told you, and keep telling you. PS4 is just more superior with greater hardware from the get go. No running through hoops to reach maximum performance. I'm privvy to many things but hey ho, it seems there's just no getting through to you.

[Popoffboy187718]

Keep thinkin that 4k hdmi cord 4 da bone is 4 games,they win in that department with the 4k hdmi in tha packageing).....i put money that watch dogs will not be the same on both consoles. People are gonna be mad jack the ps4 isnt hard to program for like ps3, in fact its anti ps3. Hope people that get the bone are good with it ,

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Native 4k gaming has been confirmed on x1 homie. MS is giving the devs the option to use it and 4k blu ray movie support on x1 at launch. The x1 has the more powerful ram/cpu/gpu to do this.
http://www.polygon.com/2013...
http://www.polygon.com/2013...

[Mikeyy]

Frigid, The xbone is not going to do native 4k on any game other then something like super meat boy.

There is nowhere near enough hardware there to do Halo 5 in 4k, it can't be done. The numbers just are not there.

[MasterCornholio]

"Lmao at this article its full of lies and the saime tired old arguments."

:)

http://thehande.files.wordp...

[Angels3785]

It has been said too that next gen games are mostly rushed to meet deadlines and run on current gen tech, they said give it a few years to bring out each hardware's advantages. So if they look the same now or one slightly better than the other, don't expect that in a few years when developers design engines around the hardware vs adapting engine to the hardware.

[ZoyosJD]

The 4k blueray format hasn't been defined for consumer grade equipment yet. We may need entirely different hardware for 4k blue rays when finalized.

Both Xbone and PS4 support HDMI 1.4 which is good for 4k at 30hz. Neither has confirmed HDMI 2.0 support yet, but Sony already has a 4k digital movie downloading service.

It may be biased, but not without reason.

[Magicite]

how much ms is paying u to defend them?

[Metfanant]

1. What Xbone games are shipping with 4k resolution again?...oh right...they are talking about the native res of the games being developed...not some irrelevant claim by MS about the console supporting 4k native games...remind me when a game actually ships in 4k native...

2. The author is not biased...simply reporting what his sources have told him...want to know why they don't get named and are anonymous? Because of that NDA you guys love to talk about...

3. The eSRAM in the Xbone is NOT the same as the eDRAM in the 360...who needs to get their facts straight now?

[TIER1xWOLFPACKx]

Fridgid you do realise the ps4 is capable of 4K. sony have Said it has 4k support like 5months ago

[cyclindk]

Sony AND Micro should both put one of their own first party "consultants" on-sight of every multiplat game to push THEIR version in ways they KNOW it can be pushed. I have always despised the idea of "parity" in multiplat games, defeats the purpose really...

I can understand not wanting to ruffle feathers, but jesus, the very nature of competition means some feathers NEED ruffling! It will push each side to put out their best or go home, the key to advancing, pushing boundaries. Not, "oh we got to a certain point on both consoles, lets stop here now."

I as a consumer want to see exactly whose piece of hardware has an advantage and how that translates to the products I am interested in, which, in turn, will determine whether or not I buy the friggin thing.

That's how you get "traditionalists" like myself who have found very little reason to "switch" or adopt another rival console to actually consider it... use every card in your deck so to speak. It is in the best interest, where sales are concerned, for both companies (even Nintendo, or rather, ESPECIALLY Nintendo).

Don't just leave it to the exclusives, use those multiplats too and anything else there is!

[jessupj]

If they push parity in multiplats theres going to be a lot of ruffled feathers from ps4 owners, me included.

Core gamers know the huge power difference and will be expecting better multiplats.

Xbone owners know what their buying, or at least they should, and should be perfectly fine receiving lower performing multiplats. Any one complaining about inferior xbone multiplats should be disregarded.

[GinkgoID]

The only people talking down the difference is MS. The only people talking up the difference is not Sony, but developers. To me that says a lot. It is also not just one article/source but many. They can't all be lies/made-up.

[DoesUs]

Both machines will see improvements with more mature drivers. The article sort of states XB1 will close the gap with better drivers. That sounds like Sony isn't working on refining/optimizing their drivers, which of course they will do 24/7. Performance levels between them both at launch of course will not be as great as in 2 or 3 years, but there will be differences. This is obvious. It's funny how the XB1 supporters use launch titles as their gauge for the machines parity! We'll have a chat in November ;)

[IanVanCheese]

Meh, getting an Xbox One at launch because I prefer the launch line-up and the controller. When Second Son comes out I'll pick up the PS4 most likely.

[Popoffboy187718]

Your gettin bone cause u bots are fanboyz that dont want to make the switch. When rise fails let me kno how good bone exclusive look or how buggy and dull dr3 will be, or how plain and boring forza will look and play. Killzone I swear going to eat the bone exclusive at launch. Only games that be good on the bone are multi plats, the bone still going fail when a game cross platfrom running and lookin smooth on da (4). How can people even trust kinect to function as advertise when the bone never prove its capable of these features.clicker in pockect, beyond 2 soul will blow xbone games. It must hurt to see the brand u trust turn on you, microsoft should let apple or samsung take thier place and nintendo should only do hand helds!!!!!!

[IanVanCheese]

Son, we have top scientists working around the clock to figure out what the fuck you just said.

[okmrman]

how is he a bot when he said he will get both systems? illiterate bastard

[jaren92]

Last time I checked 50% faster does not mean 50 % percent more powerful at all it means 50 percent faster usain bolt is faster then ray Lewis does that mean he is stronger no it just means he is faster not all around more powerful speed is speed and power is power

[mochachino]

Yeah but the higher res and framerates mean more powerful.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This is a pissing contest that is hardly worthy of discussion. @mochachino you are getting a PS4, enjoy it. @jaren92 you seem to be getting an Xbox One, enjoy it.

Being these consoles are mostly going to be played on 1080p capable TV's and I don't recall ever seeing a console game that had higher resolution then that...I don't think we need to worry about if a system can produce something beyond 1080p 60FPS for these consoles. And if one is 30FPS vs 60FPS..I am guessing you both would still be more than happy.

[quenomamen]

Woud you pay $100 more for a car thats 50% slower just cuz they threw in a CD player for free ?

[OC_MurphysLaw]

But what if the interior is better, and the gas mileage is better, or your overall experience is better? Lots of things factor into why you buy one over the other not just speed. I get your argument but I don't think your argument is flawed.

[jaren92]

If I'm buying a car I don't care how fast it is I'm not looking to go on a highspeed race on the highway if it gets from point a to point b that's all that matters in other words as long as the Xbox one does what it suppose to do have great games and great online experience like it has been for the last 12 years I will be content. I don't buy a game cause the graphics are spectacular yes i like games with good graphics but its not what makes a game good it just makes it look better in reality the graphics on the ps4 won't be game changeing like you are all making it out to be you all are acting like its gonna be the ps4 vs the Super Nintendo which will never be the case they both will have outstanding visuals and good games but apparently nobody can accept that in all reality the Xbox one won't fail and it will be a great console wether you say it sucks or it's a fail it doesn't suck in the least it's demand isn't as high as the almighty ps4 but ill tell you one thing it's still f******g high

[riceking]

i leave this here
http://a.pomf.se/9At8.gif

[Clover904]

Damn, that's beautiful. I know it's not a big name like Forza or Gran Turismo, but you have to have blinders on if you don't think Driveclub is going to be a worthy racer. I can't believe ps plus members get to play the ps plus edition for free. Upgrading to the full game will be discounted. Thank you Sony :D

[Hakoom]

The REAL REAL difference wil be seen when naughty dog releases a game on the ps4

[cell989]

or Sony Santa Monica

[Clover904]

or Media Molecule

[bunfighterii]

Sounds like multiplats will be severely hobbled by MS's hardware

[mochachino]

Yeah, very happy me and all my friends are getting PS4. Even if Xone was 400 it would be overpriced it seems.

the bone should release at 350-375 to compete.

[TemplarDante]

WoW! The gulf is larger than I thought.
Ya hear that, EliteGamer,MrCTeam and other Xbone Apologists? The war is over.
Honestly, if MS is trying to force devs to gimp PS4 multiplats, as a gamer, that infuriates me. As a gamer, I really feel obligated to buy a PS4 and force devs hands and use it to its full potential.

[Funantic1]

“The poor [graphics] drivers have made it difficult to push either of them, and the developers aren't familiar with the hardware yet,“ said one source" Calm down everybody, they're both weak.

[AceBlazer13]

So there's a possibility the Xbone is going to be holding back the ps4.Best way I can see that problem being dice is if the ps4 completely obliterates xbone in sales so devs won't be afraid to make the difference obvious just for the sake of keeping sales on both platforms.

[H0RSE]

"One source even suggested that enforcing parity across consoles could become a political issue between platform holders, developers and publishers. They said that it could damage perceptions of a cross platform title, not to mention Xbox One, if the PS4 version shipped with an obviously superior resolution and framerate; better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers."

- Consoles have been guilty of this for PC multiplats in one way or another for years, yet no no seemed to care then. Suddenly, the "evil entity" known as MS can be blamed, and everyone points the finger. Of course, if it was Sony in question here, Everyone would be demanding sources, DNA tests and urine analysts to confirm it...

You guys are talking endgame, like MS is already crushed, and neither system has even been released yet...the attitude in here is basically this:

"It's suggested that MS or the X1 might be responsible for some questionable or unfavorable acts in the future, so it must be true, and we don't need any hands-on experience with the systems, because some devs said stuff about consoles they don't fully understand yet. Game over! PS4 FTW!!..."

If PS4 turns out to be as powerful as it's claimed, and it shows in its games, that's great. I'm not bitter. But until that time comes, all the quotes and suggestions and data sheets, aren't gonna cut it. We need wait till after launch so we can have hands-on time with the consoles. In this pre-launch console war, you guys are worse than table of gossiping housewives.

[cell989]

"Consoles have been guilty of this for PC multiplats in one way or another for years, yet no no seemed to care then"

Yeah thats why Battlefield 3 mops the floor with the console version, and Farcry, Crysis, are "gimped" to look like console games right?

Planetside 2 plays great on PS3 and Guildwars 2 is a blast on the 360, said no one ever...

[H0RSE]

I knew someone would resort to pointing out certain titles as a way to justify or counter-argue the vast array of shitty PC ports, which often come with gimped options like no ability to customize controls, simplistic graphics options, and the lack of mod support. There are also often times where a multiplat game is designed around the console, so many of the features or content that PC hardware could've utilized, is lost due to being designed around the "lowest common denominator."

PC multiplats are usually gimped in ways other than graphic fidelity. They may look better than their console counterparts and/or sport higher framerates, but they are shorted in other ways.

And why would you even bring up GW2? it's a PC exclusive, and I was specifically speaking about multiplats.

[ssj27]

Pc fanboys are really that naive.
Pc's hold back PC not consoles .. let's not forget that devs have to make their pc game playable on low end PC's.

I do agree! If this gen last 7 years again, only then consoles will hold back PC'S but take into a account that without consoles games will have never reached this maturity and popularity.

There are strong PC's but they exist for editing and etc not for gaming. Devs will not make games for only 1.000 gamers or whatever the jumbers of high end pc gamers are.

Even studios that sale 1mill. Are closing down.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Hardware spec wise PS4 has tons of under the hood, but just having better specs isnt a reason to buy one console over another. Games, interface all that will come into play. Personally I am sold on Xbox One for my launch choice. I have no issue with anyone who says PS4 at launch...Sony has an attractive package too. Its just personal choice, both have shown they have great games on their systems and I truly doubt anyone will be "disappointed" by either choice.

[vigilante_man]

Well said. The voice of clarity!

[hadouken007]

So basically this isn't a console war, if there making games identical, so one wont look like crap.

[Ulf]

Man, I cannot *stand* journalists who spout drivel as if they knew the tech they were writing about.

"Our contacts have told us that memory reads on PS4 are 40-50 per cent quicker than Xbox One"

No, dumb journalist (or maybe dumb "contact"), memory BANDWIDTH is about 200% WIDER on PS4, meaning that, when you request it, you can get 3x the data at any one moment. Since latency is GREATER (some people say GDDR5 has 10x the latency of DDR3), an individual cache line fetch actually has a (much) faster turnaround on the XBox One. Cache misses are where most modern CPUs spend their timing stalling, which is why they have so much tech, like branch prediction, SMT (hyperthreading) and out-of-order processing, so they can "fill the time" while they wait.

Think of it this way:

You run a shipping service. The PS4 truck holds 3x as much as the XBox One truck, and they both go the same top speed, but the PS4 truck takes 60 seconds to reach top speed from a standstill, whereas the XB1 truck takes 6.

And, lol, the XB1 truck has a trailer that holds 4x as much as the truck, but... you have to load the trailer through the front cab, which requires some skill.

If you're a smart businessman, you should use the XB1 truck for local deliveries (CPU), and the PS4 truck for the long highway hauls (GPU). You can use the XB1 truck + trailer for both, but only if you are willing to hire skilled drivers.

[ssj27]

Wrong..

[HS83]

Whatever the case may be, I have already paid off my xbox one. I think both consoles have some strengths and weaknesses obviously. For me, it is about the games I want. I like halo, I like fable, I like other ms exclusives I cannot find on PS4. I am sure PS4 people feel the same about some of their exclusives. I try to be an all around gamer. My preference is xbox, but I can see myself picking up a PS4 in the late future :)

[vigilante_man]

You will pick up a PS4 - sooner than you think..

It does seem the gamers choice. But hope you have great fun on XB1 in the meanwhile.

[Ukdude]

So says 'unamed' source,,,,,,lol

Enough said.

[Tales RPG addict]

What makes the PS4 50% more powerful is simple. The answer is the RAM. DDR3 ram in XB1 runs at 2133 MHZ, while in comparison the PS4's RAM runs at 5500 MHZ.

[Ulf]

The masses love partial truths. All great, meaning powerful, politicians know this.

Anyone reading who doesn't understand how my comment is related, do yourself a favor, and don't believe everything the Man tells you, just because the limited truth he doled out was true, by itself.

[thoract]

You know what guys I don't care how the 3rd party games are going to look like because they have always develop games for the lowest common denominator. All I want are the exclusives. We all know Sony games are going to look even more amazing this gen.

Once ND and SSM shows there games, everything will become clear why Sony is my platform of choice.

[cell989]

"better to “castrate” the PS4 version and release near-identical games to avoid ruffling any feathers"

Well This is total bullshit. As a future PS4 owner I demand these devs make my moneys worth by creating the best possible game and not cripple it down just so that the other guys dont get upset, total BS. Dont buy an xbone if you dont want to play inferior multiplat games, buy a PS4 if you want better multiplats, simple logic.

Id love to find out who are these devs that are willing to do such low ball business tactic, so that I dont purchase any content from them

[Ulf]

The PS4 CPU is weaker, because of the bad latency, high-bandwidth GPU-centric memory.

The XB1 GPU is weaker, because it is just plain smaller. The bandwidth issue is not nearly as big a deal as most people would have you believe, but it IS smaller.

You'll get games built to use the PS4 CPU, and the XB1 GPU, just like most games were built to use the PS3 GPU and Xbox 360 CPU, this gen. Lowest common denominator.

The plague of the multiplat business model. Money drives everything.

[quenomamen]

Pushing Devs to gimp multiplats to hide their weaker hardware ? MS would never dream of such things ! Mailing put checks with lots of zeros on the other hand is the American way !

[vigilante_man]

Spoken like a true business man!!

[clevernickname]

"The difference between cross platform launch window games will be small, and improved graphics drivers plus the power of the cloud might yet tip the balance in Xbox One’s favour. Nonetheless, at launch, PS4 will be the more capable console."

Still pushing this bullshit that the "power of the cloud" is going to improve Xbone's performance. What utter and complete horseshit. I love my 360, but this cloud nonsense is clouding people's judgement and thinking.

[dillhole]

I'm completely sick of hearing about the difference in graphical capability. Every day, another story about what system does what along with a series of numbers that mean nothing.

[Cherchez La Ghost]

This is my question.....

Who are these "Devs"?!! Some new kids on the block?! Or some veterans in the industry. Because all game should be tweaked to optimum performance. Not dedicated to one side of the block.

These articles are getting tired. And the only ones who are getting worked up are the fanboys. And these writers on these blogs are making you drink the Kool-Aid everyday.

[TheKayle1]

really the edge is destroyin their credibility with this sort of "articles"

just tell us the names of the devs....im sure they will be first sony party devs...lol or some biased indie dev?

...bye edge...sure u are right...bye

this was a cover of the edge sometime ago

http://i2.cdnds.net/13/27/6...

how they think ...ppl will take them seriously?

u seem good payed by sony...edge..really good payed

[DoesUs]

Shouldn't you be on Gaf getting ripped to bits?!

[TheKayle1]

ah u know on gaf...if DigitalFoundry (that as been taken for good for years) talk good of the xb1 ..they r moneyhatted ..bs...troller...blablala

if edge..that as been always ps supporter..talk good of ps and put shit on xb1 is a great piece of journalism...

edge is payed by sony this is evident

no one expect that the bigger part of gaf community (sony one) ...come and say ..yes edge have zero credibility

im still waiting the names of this devs......lol

maybe tomorrow someone other will wake up and will write..."our secrets devs said that x is 40% faster than y"...
how they expect that this sound true?

ps. are you a junior on gaf..or you been never accepted over there?

this is what ERP that is a moderator on b3d and first party developer at sony said

"FWIW my expectation is that PS4 ought to have a performance advantage, but I wouldn't expect it to reflect the difference in CU counts. CU's are MASSIVELY underutilized on vertex heavy workloads and plenty of the frame will be ROP or bandwidth limited.
There are just too many little things that can significantly impact performance, there were times with early firmwares on PS4 where seemingly innocuous changes would affect performance by as much as 10%.

The eSRAM will certainly provide an advantage under some circumstances, and I'm interested if the ROP difference will end up being a factor, or the lower eSRAM latency will end up nullifying it.

For that matter I could imagine the graphics API having a significant effect, the CPU single threaded performance isn't great on these machines and a poorly conceived implementation, could hurt games across the board. Sony having "lower level access" here isn't necessarily a win.

Hell I could imagine cases where CPU limited games demonstrate an advantage on XB1."

http://beyond3d.com/showpos...

[DoesUs]

Thanks for the...insight, i'm on GAF and B3D. I've been in this industry for 20 years coming up. I know all to well whats going on behind the scenes. 8)

[TheKayle1]

so you know too well that edge is just trolling

[Metfanant]

they obviously cant name sources numb nuts! and there are plenty of reasons for this...

1. Sources often speak on the basis of anonymity...and if you would like sources to continue to feed you good bits of info, then youre not going to blow the identity of your source...

2. These devs are ALL under an NDA with BOTH console makers...speaking publicly would cause them to face legal action from BOTH console makers, and probably lose their job

3. These consoles are how devs make money, youre not going to publicly throw one of your sources of income under the bus and risk losing their investment in your games...

4. you post on gaf...you should KNOW there are many insiders over there...do they ever reveal the sources? NO...you know damn well why CBOAT types the way he does, and its not for HAHA's...

5. that cover was created BEFORE the MS 180's...and you would be damned hard pressed to find a nonMS fanboy gamer that didn't agree with that cover...also notice in the title it says "RIGHT NOW" which is interesting...they have also since published a POST 180 article that clearly says that the console war has become less clear since MS reversed their policies...

have you migrated over here because you're tired of getting the shaft on gaf?

you also say Edge has always favored Sony??? thats interesting...check out the images below...

http://media.creativebloq.f...

http://www.blogcdn.com/www....

[zippycup]

game company's and console company's will be rushing out games for the holidays there mentality is we can patch it later

i love my ps3 and vita and want a ps4 but we need Microsoft to step up and do something if not Sony is going to get lazy and start making mistakes i don't care if your an x box one fan or a ps4 fan

competition only makes us gamers win

[vigilante_man]

Hey, without the 360 we would not be getting the awesome PS4!

Without Live we would not now have the great PS+!

And without the PS4 Microsoft would have crapped all over us!

We NEED competition....

[H3ADWOUND81]

LMFAO @ bitter MS fanboys, they are just starting to realise the truth is a tough pill to swollow... Hahahahahahahahahahaha........

[vigilante_man]

I would be pissed if the XB1 was cheaper and more powerful by a significant amount than my PS4. AT least they both have the same CPU and 8GB Ram.

Both are way better than 360/PS3. Lets hope developers have the balls to push each console to its limits - I doubt it, though. Some are just driven by money and ain't bothered about their craft!

[OOG]

http://techland.time.com/20...

this article says it all...

Don't be playing into the flamebait that these websites are trying to catch everyone in. Stop being ignorant fanboys and become gamers.

[brew]

After reading it , it sounds like another website that is trying to catch everyone in it again to gain views. Now this article has its supporters and skeptics like any other.

[sAVAge_bEaST]

I knew BF4 is getting gimped, because of the xbone,. -way to crash the party.
I just hope in a few years, that ps4 will have such a huge user base, that they will start using the system to it's full potential, and stop making parity(gimped) ports.

@OOG, Time Magazine has been a mouthpiece for Microsoft, since the 1st xbox launched,. Time loves M$ , they are working toward the same agenda.

[OOG]

read the content in the article not who its made by

[sAVAge_bEaST]

I knew BF4 is getting gimped, because of the xbone,. -way to crash the party.
I just hope in a few years, that ps4 will have such a huge user base, that they will start using the system to it's full potential, and stop making parity(gimped) ports.

[Tzuno]

It's a leap over current gen and that should be enough.

[Metfanant]

absolutely BRUTAL news for MS, Frigid, elitegamer, greenpowers, and misterX if true

[wishingW3L]

Bad news everyday, poor Xbox fans.

[_LarZen_]

Forza 5, running at 60fps and is looking in my opinion better then Driveclub that is only running at 30fps.

That's enough for me...

That said I am getting both consoles. But it's clear that the XBO has some tricks up it's sleeves...if not all the PS4 games would look better.

Something they are clearly not doing atm.

[Metfanant]

those "tricks" are:

Driveclub: fully Dynamic lighting/shadows, day/night cycles, more varied/larger environments

Forza 5: pre-baked lighting/shadows, static time of day, no night, no weather, smaller/less varied environments...

don't get me wrong...Forza will be the better game...EASILY...but don't act like its some technical marvel for running 1080p/60fps..its impressive, but there are corners being cut to get there

[marcofdeath]

Are you dumb, Forza is a simulator not a arcade game. Drive Club is not calculating tire pressures on all 4 tires, how about wind on top of a wing or a wight to stop ratios or g loads on the car or brake pressures or wheel camber or gearbox ratios or car wight + wind and a lot more but you say that "Dynamic lighting/shadows" but when you look at a FMS5 video the A pillars move as the car moves around the track, that is Dynamic lighting. IF you made a game one day you would know that. Driveclub is not doing most of that and it still can not get to 1080p or 60fps.

[larrysdirtydrawss]

not one thing on forza looks better than d/c......and most ps4 games do look better...that off screen deepdown footage blows ryse away

[bendanarama]

I am very suspicious of any article with an uncited source - there are other articles with some developers talking similar numbers, so why is a "High Level Developer" left unnamed?

[Metfanant]

because sources are all under NDA's and not allowed to speak about these things!...naming the source would be a way to lose that source...these developers could lose their jobs/face serious legal action for talking about this stuff...

[bendanarama]

Legally, this matter would not be covered under an NDA. The source is commenting on publicly available information that has already entered the public domain - unless they mention the specifics of the particular game they're working on - such as if they went "Feature A that we're using for Game A is using part A of the Xbox One's infrastructure and part B of the PS4's infrastructure" it would not be something they can be sued under.

NDAs are not the massive all encompassing thing people think they are - I'm a signatory of the UK's official secrets act, and if I discussed certain things about my work on a blog, I would be sent to jail, but if that information is already in the public domain, I would be free to discuss it.

I'm not even saying the article is wrong, but failing to cite a source is sloppy journalism.

[SilentGuard]

PS4 may be significantly more powerful than XBOne, but you can't turn it on with voice commands. Thanks MS, for your enfatuation with Kinect and bringing us things we didn't want or ask for. As for developers utilizing Kinect because its in every box heres a stand out qoute:
“They really want us to make use of platform specific stuff to give their version a leg up over the other,” said one source. “But unless there’s a good design reason or incentive we rarely do.”
Why do they rarely do it? Becuase doing so would make it a console exclusive.

[thexmanone]

Not knowing who's making these statements, there is little weight behind them.

[russo121]

I see here a lot of xbone fans sad... it's something to worry about - competition is good - it keeps the prices down - don't forget that.

[GoodnessGreatness]

Stupid Xbox One. Because of this inferior console, third party games had to be lowered in power just to match up. What a disgrace to gaming.

[marcofdeath]

SHOW MS ONE GAME THAT RUNS BETTER OR LOOKS BETTER THANxb1 GAMES NOW.

[MRMagoo123]

anything on the ps4 at the mo, maybe have a look at some vids there is Killzone sf, there is infamous second son, deep down, pretty much any game on the ps4 take your pic i guess.

[NeloAnjelo]

So much from the PR guy "putting an end" to this debate. Clearly the PS4 is more powerful. Raw specs, speed and processing power.

[marcofdeath]

Post a link to where a NAMED developer said PS4 is 50% more powerful. I bet u can't......

[NeloAnjelo]

I never said anything about percentages, so don't get all defensive. Just like MS has been about the Xbox One's specs. The up clocking has been purely a result of articles like these.

The article is actually talking about developers' comments, and not merely opinions. People that actually worked with both consoles. Even the side by side specs show it.

[marcofdeath]

Stop being dummies, 5Billion+ transistors to 3billion.
one can run games at 4k one can not.
Sony's own Mark Cerny said "it was the easiest system to make games" for so where are they?
140K Ryse plys to only 40K KZSF.
Ryse looks better than all of the PS4 games to date.
Not one 1080P game on PS4.
Texture maps don't look better than any XB1 games.
A PS4 is a Mid range PC at best!

[NeloAnjelo]

So RYSE looks better than Infamous: Second Son?

Yes the PS4 is a mid range PC... Everyone knows this. However what is the Xbox One? 4K? Please. 1080p only just became a reality this gen.

Where are the games? The 360 had games remember at launch then they all disappeared after two years in favour of timed DLC and then Kinect shovel ware. This gen will be TV and Sports. MS blew their wad at E3 with nothing else to show.

Here's some games for you... current gen. Look at the difference, not just in volume but variety and quality. MS once again will forget the 360 existed. At The end of this gen and the start of the next, it seems they nearly forgot about gamers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[larrysdirtydrawss]

dc/infamous/knack/killzone are all 1080p... textures, shading, lighting on most ps4 games are better than ryse....il say it again,killzone multiplayer looks better than ryse .... theres not one aspect of forza that looks better than dc.. the car models are better, the textures are better,the environments are better.. and all at a crisp framerate with cutting a ton of graphical corners like forza is doing

[MRMagoo123]

Yes the xbone can play games in 4k yet some how cant get Killer instinct to run at 1080p ? it can run 4k games but cant run DR3 much higher than 20 fps? It can run 4k games but cant run Ryse at 60fps at 1080p hmmm ? you really are clueless every one and their dog knows the ps4 has the better performance.

[bjmartynhak]

I have to say, I was impressed with Ryse at the first time. But looking at it again, it is only the main character zoomed in in the center of the screen that has high quality. The environment looks bland, and most of the enemies too.
And what is with that plastic armor?

Compare the armor from Deep Down and Ryse...

[larrysdirtydrawss]

4sh0w pass whatever it is your smoking,,,ryse isnt an eyesore but killzone multiplayer looks better than ryse..second son/deepdown are on another level.. fact is,if syse was made on ps4,it would look even better and be on kz/dd/and infamous high level

[marcofdeath]

Keep telling your self that. There has all ready been a story out of Games con that BF4 multiplayer looks bad on PS4. Deepdown was a cg video the first time and now when we see it looks like a last gen game. KZ max LOD is 40K VS 140K max Ryse, so no. FYI the last PC DEVkit for PS4 was a 680GTX that's 3.1TF and now to blow your mind, the last DEVkit for XB1 was a 780GTX of 3.9TF so why would a 50% less system need a 780GTX?

[deadie]

"Deepdown was a cg video the first time and now when we see it looks like a last gen game."

That statement right there proves youre nothing but a blind xbot in denial.

I may favour PS4 but i can at least admit seeing good gfx on both systems.

You're just embarrassing yourself.

[Javinator]

Explain me this:
How come is it Xbox One's Forza 5 has awesome graphics and can run at 60fps, at 1080p....
while PS4's Drive looks way worse and only runs at 30fps (half of F5)?

The proof is the the pudding and not in the blah blah blah specs.Talk is cheap, SHOW ME what it can do.
So far, I'm sold on X1 having better graphics.

[Tooly]

Forza 5= Stiff,pre-baked. Ryse- only the main character has 140K polygons lol and its mapped to the A button Quick-Time Events out the ass

[Javinator]

Explain me this:
How come is it Xbox One's Forza 5 has awesome graphics and can run at 60fps, at 1080p mind you....
while PS4's Drive Club looks way worse and only runs at 30fps (half of F5)?

The proof is the the pudding and not in the blah blah blah specs. Talk is cheap, SHOW ME what it can do.
So far, I'm sold on X1 having better graphics.

[GABRIEL1030]

This is unexpected, I read that PS4 was 30% more powerful that Xbone, but 50% is insane !

50% more powerful and 20% more cheap, PS4 is an easy choice.

[aLiEnViSiToR]

all i can say is... ouch xD

[svoulis]

This argument will keep going on and on until the console release and it shows otherwise. With that being said, Microsoft was very keen on making sure 3rd Party developers didn't make a "gimped" version of any game for their console vs the PS3. There are articles everywhere, too bad finding them is a bi*ch because of all the XONE vs PS4.

Anyway, It really comes down to preference. If you play both yay, congrats. If you want an Xbox One, woohoo get one. PS4 yay get one.

I mean really, granted, these are devs pushing this knowledge onto most of you guys, and I am sure at least 75% of you don't even know what any of it means.

The only thing that concerns me is that any games we've really seen gameplay of has either been a PC or the PS4. I have yet to see any substantial "proof" that Microsoft has shown any games on Xbox One. As well as Watchdogs, ACIV, The Devision, Destiny (ALL shown on PS4) and COD Ghost (was confirmed to be played on PCs), BF4 was on PC's with controllers as well.

I just want to see a side by side comparison of Watchdogs or ACIV on both Xbox One and PS4. Just to show everyone whats going on.

Sadly that won't happen. I think that has a lot to do with Microsoft.

So you can call it what you will, but either way there something odd about Microsoft claiming all this "wait and see" crap, yet they haven't asked Ubisoft to show games side by side for proof...hm

On that note,

Just...Play...What...You...Li ke.

people going on about the AA issues with drive club. This is from the mouth of Forza 5 dev.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://assets1.ignimgs.com/...

^look at the amount of blur (post processing) they have on the dashboard (to make up for AA), also take a look at the wire in this pic.

I am having a very hard time finding screenshots of the Forza 5 that aren't pre rendered or off-screenshots.

Very hard time finding them..hm.

[DivineAssault]

well said buddy.. Ive read the articles you speak of & it is very possible that info is being swept under the rug on purpose.. You are correct that no actual xb1 footage is out there to be seen so its hard not to think that its being done purposely.. If i had a game machine that i was confident in, i would make sure EVERYONE sees it in action.. November is 2 months away yet theres no actual footage of xb1 running anything.. WHY?!?! IDK & it really doesnt matter to me at this point but I just want all you ppl to think about something..

PS2 was weaker than xbox, wasnt HD, had only a handful of games that could be played online & wiped the floor with em.. Microsoft licked their wounds & decided to launch a new system that came out a whole year earlier than PS3 & if PS3 was sonys worst console (though it was still good to me) as far as networking, network options like cross game chat, lengthy installs, hard to develop for, slower disc reading w blu ray, etc & still ended up great & outsold 360, wtf do yall think is going to happen this time around with PS4 vs xb1?

[DivineAssault]

The software for both consoles will get better & better from a performance standpoint as well as visually.. The thing is that xb1 will always lag behind because its not as fast or strong as PS4.. Even if its only marginal differences ppl will always talk crap but whatever.. Im not interested in getting PS4 over xb1 because of the power.. I want PS4 over xb1 cuz i know sony will have MANY more exclusives that interest me from eastern dev studios as well as western..

I also have a vita so i will enjoy remote play & dual screen gaming with it.. The dual shock 4 offers more options with games cuz of the gyroscope, 6 axis, LED light, speaker, share button & touchpad so thats going to offer new puzzles & other various game enhancing experiences that rumbling triggers just cant achieve.. Plus ds4 has better analogs, triggers, & digital buttons than other iterations while maintaining the classic feel..

The PS4 eye will offer many options for games & social networking too so ill be getting that $60 accessory.. That means my PS4 package will only be $40 cheaper than xb1.. Price & power isnt why i want PS4 instead.. Its the great name PLAYSTATION that i trust & know will deliver with my investment.. Gaikai will open up a vast library of games, music, movies, etc too. I dont only play shooters & multiplats, i play 80% of every genre there is.. M$ never did & never will satisfy my gaming needs.. Its great for some but not for me.. Its a damn shame Killer Instinct is exclusive to xb1, but then again, i think double helix is developing it so i prolly wont be missing much

[svoulis]

Yea, I am really trying to find some screenshots or videos of Forza 5 that aren't "off-screen" and the ones I do find are filled with horrible Post Processing. Not saying Forza 5 wont be a good game, but even out of the DEVS mouth, AA will be an issue, and its the only game I see Xbox fans use as "proof" of graphics.

I'll post links for people to see. This isn't about what is better, but more so. Why they should be more informed and understand how this industry works.

for starters.

All the images you see for Forza are pre-rendered cut scene graphics, the only real time footage you really see is off-screen. Drive Club has been more then GENEROUS with showing off their game with actually on-screen footage.

Forza 5
http://www.gamersyde.com/ga...

Driveclub
http://www.gamersyde.com/ga...

Go ahead and look at any of the videos (not trailers) that Gamersyde has captures. NONE of it is on-screen. You can also see the crazy amount of blur around the car as you drive it. That is to cover up the "jaggies" you see in drive club. You don't have to believe me but its use the same way most PS3 games did it (cause the AA on ps3 was pretty bad, we all know this).

Here is a picture. LOOK at the amount of blur on the dashboard. IT is pretty rediculous. I get why they do it though, its cause of the AA.

http://i.imgur.com/2Q7teAT....

To be fair on both parts I went to the site and download both mp4's of off screen footage and took a screenshot comparing the two.

Drive Club
http://i.imgur.com/yIMgyBi....

Forza 5
http://i.imgur.com/5WyOkeT....

Strange isn't it? Both 1080p MP4 videos. From the same exact site.

PEOPLE! PLEASE! LISTEN!

Listen to reason. You haven't seen any gameplay from Xbox One from 3rd party developers. BF4 was showcased on PC's when Major Nelson said it would be running on actual Xbox One hardware. This is SUSPICIOUS.

You should realize that companies will lie,cheat,and promise you things to get into your pockets. If you want an Xbox One because you are a Xbox Fan. That is fine, but don't sit here saying some bull garbo about how this is better then that. YOU HAVE NOTHING to compare it to.

WE have seen PS4 footage, we have seen 3rd party games on PS4 hardware.

Go search please...Do yourself a favor. Find me any videos on Ryse that are gameplay (not e3 footage) from websites. Find me in game screenshots that aren't from E3. Find me Dead rising 3 Gameplay that isn't off screen. Find me Forza 5 gameplaying that isn't off screen.

This is odd, very odd. For Microsoft to be so comfortable to say what they do about how "powerful" the system is..Where are the DEVS saying this? Where is the proof. All they've talked about was the cloud. ONLY for the exclusives...hm..Especially this close to launch still NO in game footage of any games confirmed running on Xbox One hardware. I mean 2 months away guys..Go back to Xbox 360 when they had loads of stuff to show leading up to the launch.

I know the XBOTS will not listen to reason, and they will disagree, which is fine I expect it and I expect bubbles down because you can't see or understand the truth.

Just use your heads please.

[Mikeyy]

Sombody posted picture proof that BF4 was being played on PC and not xbone, and the xbots still denied it.

[t3rrorc3ll]

Your arguments are solid.

I've only the ps4 preordered as I know I can just walk in and pick up a Xbox one anytime I want. Microsoft is doing the typical stack the shelves caper. Whilst the ps4 has been shutdown until 2014 with launch console supply gone since august 5th.

[memots]

You comments are refreshing svoulis, i have added you to my tracking :)

[bjmartynhak]

+ Bubble,

Even if the specs were the opposite, Sony first-party studios would still be enough for me to go with PS4 first.

[HmongAmerican]

First party game is the only way to tell witch console is more powerful. I have a feeling that after the next gen consoles release. Games on the PS3 and 360 will all be port or dumb down graphic. Let's hope I be wrong.

[svoulis]

No you are correct about PS3 and Xbox 360 dumbed down ports. Reguardless of what Ubisoft said this is what we have to go by.

http://i.imgur.com/icUACZY....

I made a side by side of what was to be a "current gen" version of the game vs the PS4 version.

Here is the video of both.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

If this is any indication of how it will go for the following 1-3 years for both PS3 and 360. Well, then I guess people will just have to upgrade then.

Upon "accidentally" releasing that footage, Ubisoft came out and said "the game looks better than that on current Gen, but thousands of miles better on PS4." Whatever that means.

[HmongAmerican]

Yeah, sad that this is almost the end of this gen, but its a good one indeed. It just that when coming to this gen. I thought that, there going to be a lot more JRPG from Japan but as time went on I don't see it happening and I start to turn to WRPG and FPS. Now, I look more forward to next gen then ever before because open world game is the next big thing.

[Sadist3]

Edge magazine was also the company that basically had the PS4 on the front cover and stated "This is the next gen system you should be getting" so it's obvious they're basically one sided. Don't care what anyone says, I'll trust me own eyes when I'll have both systems in my house in November.

[t3rrorc3ll]

'MY own eyes'

It is no wonder the world is going to crap when children like you are not educated enough to use the English language correctly

[kingPoS]

Let the 16 bit era be reborn in 2013!

If I recall , the SNES had the eye & ear candy while the Genesis processed quicker and had an overall warmer sound.

I hope both Sony & Microsoft game consoles succeed. If anyone's wants the other rival to otherwise fail, their asking for a monopoly.

[Ukdude]

WARNING : THIS MAY UPSET ALL FANBOYS

No next gen console has yet been released.

Please refrain from judging until the console is in hand.

Do not beleive every single article on the web.

Judgement day is upon the horizon.

NOT ENDORSED BY A FANBOY

[DOOMZ]

All opinions & theory... We shall see once both consoles are out, game reviews/benchmarks come in & the cloud is on!

[clouds5]

I wanna see a real GAME performance comparison between all new consoles, ps4/xb1/wiiu.
Especially interested to see if the wii u really is that much slower than the xb1. I highly doubt it.

[sashimi]

wowser, the denial is strong in this thread.