Why is PS4 the only option according to Edge?

The german website ps4insider.de has summarized why the british magazin Edge thinks the PS4 is the only option for next-gen gamer.

The original website is in german.

[MariaHelFutura]

Because it's the best console for the best price. I could list the reasons, but we all already know them. The PS4 is the best console and everyone agrees. It's hurts some peoples feelings, but that doesn't stop it from being true. End of story.

[coolmastermarktwo]

Nothing to add here, you've just nailed it. Bro!

[JokesOnYou]

Its weird how an article that regurgitates and old article while adding nothing new is passed, but if its positive for xbox then its marked quickly as duplicate, or fix this, fix that, add a period stalling tactics even though its focusing and discussing a particular point that dev made, like this:
http://n4g.com/news/1304602...

Selective censorship at its finest, huh mods?

Anyway I disagree with Edge on this one, my reasons are X1 showed better games for my liking at E3, xbox live online gaming community has always been better than psn and now playing online is no longer free on ps4, X1 brings more to the table in terms of functionality than ps4(TV,UI,Skype,Twitch,Snap Mode,Updates), simply put it does more things than the ps4, and finally X1 is a better value for long term given Kinect is included compared to ps4 camera= less support, then of course microsofts infrastructure with Azure is superior to sonys Gaikai service, Respawn talked in detail how Azure can be used as dedicated servers which is a huge plus http://www.respawn.com/news... and even 3rd party devs like Ubi are starting to confirm its a plus and why Watch Dogs producer Dominic Guay said this: "It’s what I call dynamism; basically, the way the city reacts to you, we are able to push further on the Xbox One."
http://news.softpedia.com/n... -So Kinect/Azure both look to lead to better gameplay now and definitely in the future.

[KentBlake]

@JokesOnYou

Problem is, even if you like MS exclusives more than the ones from Sony, MS showed almost every exclusive they have in development right now. Sony still has a lot of first party studios with unannounced games. By the end of the year, Sony will have a lot more exclusives than MS. Face it, MS simply can't compete with Sony on 1st party games.

[Conzul]

@JokesOnYou

There's no such thing as an Xbox with better titles. Hell, Ninty has better games than Microsoft Studios.

Edit: You're right about the in-crowd, though. I'm getting tired of all the Playstation stroking going on all the time. Even if it's 100% true, it's getting boring.

[nukeitall]

@JokesOnYou:

Yup, n4g is severely biased. I see mods that consistently fails an article on rules that only apply to one console, not the other.

It's sad really, because as a gamer I want to see variety of news including stuff about Nintendo and Xbox, not just Playstation.

Oh well, maybe someone will find the time to create a competitor free of such blatant
censoring.

A perfect example is this article! It adds nothing, is based off really old news (we are talking months) and barely has any paragraphs with all empty text.

http://n4g.com/news/1304933...

Negative Xbox, positive Playstation, let's approve it!!!

Yet the story about Watchdogs has a more dynamic city on Xbox One, I haven't even heard of. This crap opinion has been repeated gazillion times.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@nukeitall and jokesonyou
Stop crying, the quote was taken out of context since the watch dog dev's statement was making a comparison to current gen consoles not to the PS4. It the article was pure flamebait and it deserved to fail.
http://www.nowgamer.com/new...
As for the Respawn dev speaking out on the cloud capabilities of the Xbox one it pretty much confirms what everyone has been saying. They are just dedicated servers, no more, no less.

[OSIRUSSS]

Anyone that doesn't like this site is free to go elsewhere.This place would be better off without you anyway with the constant crying!

[aceitman]

sorry that there is so much good news coming out for ps4 , that's what happens when a company does the right thing there is so much good going on for sony that some people cant stand it , but they sure did love reading the articles about ps3 being doomed and so high in price , im happy for sony and glad they listen to the feed back from gamers and devs. its ms turn to get the bad rap that they created for thinking they where on the high horse. no fanboy stuff here I have all consoles wii u also but ms laid there bed out for everyone to sleep in and it will be hard for them to wake up from this mess ms made.

[DragonKnight]

@JokesOnYou: If you look underneath all the reports, you'll see "Failed by Community." That means the mods had nothing to do with it. Also, you can't argue against duplicate story reports unless the story isn't a duplicate, so complaining that that article was failed is pointless if there was a story that was approved that already discussed what was in the failed article. What's more likely is that you read the title, saw it was a positive Xbox One title, and are complaining that that post failed without even reading the original, non-duplicate article with the correct title.

As a matter of fact, the correct title is "Next-Gen: 'It Will Take A While To Use Full Power Of Those Machines' Says Watch Dog Producer" but of course that doesn't scream of positive Xbox One PR so let's complain that N4G is just drowning out anything positive about the Xbox One when the two articles literally say the same thing but one chose to have the title focus on an unprovable aspect instead of the whole story.

I won't touch on your reasons for liking X1 over PS4 because they are your reasons, but stop buying into "da cloud" hype. It's all hype and no substance. Dedicated servers aren't "cloud power" and Titanfall can be done on even the Wii U with dedicated servers.

Cloud power is, like I've said several times, this gen's "4D, 120FPS, 1080p games."

@nukeitall: You're not using the system. Look at the info, look who approved it, report it as being old. The mods don't fail or approve as many articles as you think. If you want to see who approved or failed an article, it's always on the right side of the screen. This site is setup for automatic approvals and failure under specific conditions so that the mods can have a hands off approach until necessary for them to get involved.

[morganfell]

"I'm getting tired of all the Playstation stroking going on all the time. Even if it's 100% true, it's getting boring."

A few months since February and you've had enough? Really?

TRY YEARS, YEARS of articles on this forum and everywhere else about the demise of Sony, Sony should quit, Sony should get out of the gaming business, Sony will finish last this generation, Why Sony will not have another console, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah on and on and ad nauseum on.

FOR YEARS. And a few months is bothering you?

Sony listened to gamers and developers and now some want to downplay that? "Yeah lets play up the other articles about a company that wanted to server itself and the corporations first!" Woohoo!!!!

What is even more laugable is that people who are crying such as Jokes were some of the chief offenders in trying to kick Sony in the jimmys every chance he had. I have news. It's called karma, it's called comeuppance, it's coming like a hurricane and it's deserved for a lot of reasons.

It's deserved because MS tried to lead a charge to do the worst thing that has ever been done to gamers. The only amazing thing, no puzzling, well not even that really because I understand blind egoism, is some people remain so loyal to them after their attempt to pull off the single largest rights robbery in the history of gaming.

Here is a fact. Sony has a more powerful machine. Period. Nothing is going to change that this generation. Not stories of the mythical cloud, not fairies or pixies dust, not even tales of Don mattrick's departure. Sony has always had a far more diverse catalogue of games and there is nothing that points to that changing. Period.

It's deserved because MS chose casual living room grannies and TV over gamers first.

It's deserved because everything MS touches in the gaming world becomes lesser. And the more they handle it the less it becomes. Sony hasn't shown half of what they have for the PS4 with Gamescom and TGS still to come and plenty of announcements at both. This blowout could actually wind up uglier for MS than anyone realizes.

I am getting that PS2 vibe except this time Sony doesn't just have momentum, they also have the hardware advantage. If you don't want to hear about Sony crushing the competition you might want to leave the gaming world for a generation.

[coolmastermarktwo]

@morganfell, this is the absolute best comment on N4G in the last couple of months. I take my hat off to you, Sir! Well done!

[DigitalRaptor]

@ nukeitall,

N4G is absolutely selectively biased. It's not that there's been a steady stream of positive news about PS4 over the past many months and negative news and rumours and suspicions regarding Microsoft over the past few months end up being true, whilst that company still continues to put its foot in its mouth and both discourage and disrespect gamers and consumers everywhere (except perhaps not so much in the U.S. - their last stronghold).

None of these articles you've seen that are written by gamers and journalists everywhere exist exclusively on N4G. Microsoft's actions, not just in the past few months, but over many years, have forced this reaction you call "bias".

At this stage, even though you're entitled to your opinions on which games are better, the Xbox One was gimped from the start by a company that wants to convert their gaming brand into a "broad entertainment", a more controlled environment for games than ever before, and lastly, what we've been saying about the company you loyally support just happens to be true as they've proven themselves. But bringing out the "biased" card is old and weak.

Regardless of your view on what is biased on this site, i'd support your favourite company if they weren't so anti-consumer and weren't a company who's leaders (including their CEO) sees this sort of attiude as their future. http://www.youtube.com/watc...

@ JokesOnYou,

All I saw there was a bunch of stuff you're excited about that is non-gaming related (things I can do on my other devices that serve better on devices that are dedicated and for free to boot) and excuses you've made up as to why you think the Xbox is more "future-proof" and "better value". The generic "cloud" beliefs are in there, even though there's no evidence to suggest they're more than just a bunch of dedicated servers that Gaikai and Sony together can together supply. A camera doesn't make your console future-proof either

What is future proof is providing deep, intuitive, powerful, gamer-focused design and architecture for a console that is focused on the benefits it can bring to gaming experiences rather than a 'multimedia wondermachine' you see as XB1 that serves no purpose other than a jack of all trades, master of none endgame to sell units to a larger demographic outside of games.

Like I said to nukeitall, you're entitled to your opinions on what you think makes a better console for youself, but that in no way indicates serving the gamer or the industry better than the way Sony is going.

Your're going to see an overwhelming amount of positivity this entire generation for Sony and PS4. There's no changing that - bias doesn't even come into play. There's no changing the most powerful console of the eighth generation of consoles. There's no changing Sony's consumer, gamer and developer focused attitude because it's enabling them to trample the competition. Your're also going to see a fair degree of criticim of Microsoft and Xbox One this entire generation, not because of bias, but because of decisions made purely by MS. So I suggest you stop crying and learn to do what Adam Orth suggested people do about DRM that we fought against.

[sparta76]

@ jokes
That link just talks about servers, nothing about xbox1 being more powerful.
The funny thing about the link on watch dogs there is an article on the front page here where they say there WON'T be any differences between the box and ps4.

Why are Xbox fans seriously still going on about the cloud? It is extremely pathetic already.

PS4 has cloud tech too you know. Shuhei even responded to you Xbox fans asking if the PS4 could in fact offload in the same manner to increase overall power. His answer was yes, yes it can with Gaikai the same exact way.

Both systems have it. Only difference is one company is banking on that solely because they know their system specs are weaker and they can't talk that up, so why not act like the cloud can save it.

Knowing the PS4 is better hardware wise and uses the same technology the Xbox One will be using. Is it really even a competition? I don't think it is.

Enjoy your Xbox One games and leave it at that because it just isn't as powerful as the dang PS4. Just face it, can't stand people who just refuse to accept reality and instead create their own.

[Tru_Ray]

@morganfell

That was awesome, man!

It baffles me that evangelists like Jokesonyou can be steadfastly loyal to MSFT after their blatant attempt to screw over their consumers.

I know that fanboys love their consoles of choice with a blind partiality, but supporting the Bone at this point seems contrary to reason.

Mark my words, they will do everything in their power to implement their DRM policy in the future.

PS4 is the obvious choice at this point. We can play Titanfall on PC.

Tru_

[CoolBeansRus]

The article should be name, "Why PS4 is the better option". PS4 is not the ONLY option and saying so will only make them look like fools 5 years from now. Specially since neither system is on the market.

[karl]

@morganfell

great speech man.. i cant add anything.

im sure a lot of loyal MS fanboys kept their mouth shut after reading your comment...

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TGS and GAMESCOM.... we cant wait anymore =)

[nosferatuzodd]

morganfel if i was be side you i would hug you like a brother has my dad usually said i love more than my good for nothing son well damn said

[Boody-Bandit]

morganfell

What you wrote should be copied and pasted a million times over because it can not be read enough. Without question you are one of the best contributors on this site and have been for a long time. You absolutely nailed what most of us "common sense consumers" have been witness to the past decade plus from MS in this industry.

"+well said" just doesn't do what you wrote justice.

GAME. SET. MATCH.

[MikeMyers]

"I won't touch on your reasons for liking X1 over PS4 because they are your reasons, but stop buying into "da cloud" hype. It's all hype and no substance. Dedicated servers aren't "cloud power" and Titanfall can be done on even the Wii U with dedicated servers.

Cloud power is, like I've said several times, this gen's "4D, 120FPS, 1080p games."

Isn't it nice to have people here who know more than actual game developers and those inside the industry?

[YNWA96]

@ conzul, any more negative talk about Sony will cost you a bubble... Be careful, N4G actively hunting down all non believers....

[sAVAge_bEaST]

One of the most articulated, and well thought out statements, I have every read, concerning this subject,.. Thank you good sir. yes, Karma is a bitch.,.. & You do in fact ,reap what you sow,

[Hicken]

morganfell smashes anything I've ever read on this site. He deserved a dozen bubbles for that.

Meanwhile, MikeMyers does his usual weak attempt at discrediting someone who obviously knows what they're talking about... or at least more than the opposition, which usually includes himself.

I don't get it. People can bring up facts from all sorts of sources that show that Sony has an edge, and yet MikeMyers, JokesOnYou, and others will STILL maintain their stance. It's like they say "You're wrong, and this is why," and when you prove them wrong, they respond with "Well, I'm still right, and you're still wrong."

Why do these people still have so many bubbles?

Why do we allow LOGICWINS to derail conversations with nonsense?

[Gimmemorebubblez]

Im reposting this from the article "The myth of MS trying to screw us gamers"( http://n4g.com/news/1304590... I think this explains In my opinion why the Ps4 is the only option.

Its not a myth. MS already profited much more than their competitors. XBLG has made the monetary equivalent of another 40 million Xbox 360's consoles. MS wanted to force GOLD down everyones throats then add numerous restrictions that in the end help MS increase their profit margins. Now here comes the key difference between Sony and MS; the Xbox Division has been under pressure, despite all the effort put in the division barely makes up 9% of MS's revenue. Investors have been wondering for years if its worth it. The Xbox division is NOT a key business in MS's portfolio and is treated as such, and but that I mean that MS does not care about their fanbase instead they want to try take as much money from their consumers so they can prove to their investors that they should keep the division running. Sony on the other hand would probably no longer be in the consumer electronics business if it wasn't for Playstation. Playstation is essential to Sony's well being, so the execs at Sony know that they should pay VERY careful attention to their consumers and it has shown. MS has changed their policies and has taken out the cheque book and created great games for the Xbox One but you can still see the greed behind the $499 price tag. Many people draw comparisons to the Ps3's $599 price tag but unlike the Xbox One, Sony was taking a massive financial loss on every Ps3 console sold but I can guarantee that MS is profiting on the Xbox One quite heavily and lets not forget the weaker innards in the Xbone compared to the Ps4.

Also the amount of times MS has fooled consumers is laughable from RRod, dropping support of the OG Xbox and dropping support of a steady stream hardcore exclusive titles in 2010 from the Xbox 360 and then trying to get us to buy their DRM'ed Xbone.........I mean c'mmon, fool me once again twice but seriously I don't know how people can count on Microsoft.

Brand loyalty is earned and right now I believe MS has done the least to treat me as a consumer well instead Sony and Valve have done that for me. I will support those brands until they do something to upset me and who knows maybe MS will really impress me one day and prove that they have my best interest as a consumer. However right now I will not buy an Xbone because other companies are making better offers and thats the joy of competition, if you want the Xbox One to be the best it can possibly be than vote with your wallet make MS fight hard to earn your hard earned cash.

[TheTwelve]

Although Microsoft has made lots of money on the Xbox gaming division, I'm still not sure if they've made as much money as they've invested in the gaming venture overall. As far as I'm concerned, that's why they went the DRM direction.

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[pete007]

i suppose you did not by the ps3 then.......remember all those videos back on 05, remember work more........remember primitive online.........and mutch more,
i kinda fell the same way you do, i realy do, but its all the opposite, sorry

[awi5951]

@TheTwelve

They made their money back xbox live brings in 500 mil a year. And also xbox 360 had been making a profit for 5 years. Its been overpriced for the last 4 years.

[Gimmemorebubblez]

@pete007

Ok....but really do you think that the Xbone is the better deal and if so why because Im pretty sure I can counter every claim you make.

[TripC50]

I agree that PS4 is best but I'm going the PS4+Wii U route. Nintendo brought me to gaming and my heart wont let go.

[Firan]

With that combo you get almost every game there is. It's awesome.

[donman1]

I am also doing the same.

[Reverent]

Same here. I may be a Sony guy nowadays, but I grew up playing The Legend of Zelda so I'll always have a soft spot for Nintendo.

[rainslacker]

Same here. Sony because they've never really let me down. And Nintendo because they look like they want to get back to core gaming with the Wii U. They've fumbled a bit post launch, but I'm sure the system will have many worthwhile games throughout it's lifetime.

[Nintentional2]

why it's not the only option: Killzone will never touch the greatness of Halo, the Dual Shock 4's stick positioning is archaic, the PS4 will never have Nintendo exclusives (Super Smash Bros., Mario Kart 8, Zelda, Xenoblade, ect), Kinect 2 wipes the floor with PS Eye, and I could go on and on about how overrated the PS4 is turning out to be, and why it's definitely not the only option for console gaming.

[Omegasyde]

Here is my retort to your retort

1) Dualshocks stick position is archaic - Opinion based, I can say the rumble feature is archaic. I could also argue that the PS controller has more functionality than Xbones (speaker gyroscope, light bar). Nintendo on the other hand does have have a good controller, but its over 100$ to replace and you can only pair 1 gamepad with a wiiu console.

2) PS4 never having Nintendo exclusives - True, however Nintendo will never have Sony-owned Ips either. Last time I checked Sony owns more studios. Also how often does Nintendo invest in new original games vs Sony?

3) Kinect being better that PSeye - No one is arguing this but where are the buttons? If "I am the controller", do I need to tap my head to shoot lasers out of my gun or do I yell BANG BANG?

[karl]

pls go on...

im sure those are your only biased valid points...

i agree that nintendo is great...

but MS? the funny thing is that u base the greatness of MS by talking about the kinect...

pls tell me about the awesome games the kinect offers that we hardcore gamers cant wait to play

u are a joke dude..

[Kevin ButIer]

@omegasyde

Well said

[Kryptix]

@WiiUsauce
You're right, Killzone might not touch Halo's popularity for a while but you need to know something. Playstation gamers are very well balanced in their gaming interests. They don't just flock to one first person shooter till the next one comes. They're spread out playing different genres because Sony knows there's a lot of creativity to be flourished outside of just one popular game. Take for example; Uncharted...that didn't make Sony stop developers to keep making the lesser popular/known franchises. Because of more exclusives, that means some of them might not even get a chance to be picked up. And you know how that is because Nintendo gamers are also well balanced. I grew up with Nintendo, trust me, you can name so many fun and great games. While Microsoft only has Halo, Gears, and Forza. No wonder Killzone be as popular, not many are able to pick it up due to the other great exclusives Playstation has to offer. The controller is all preference and I honestly don't understand what's wrong with the positioning of the sticks. No one was arguing about the Dualshock 1. And you know something else? No one was arguing about the N64 because real gamers don't care about how controllers feel, that shouldn't be a deal breaker. The deal breaker should be what the main focus of the platform is, how it nourishes your gamer needs. So far, Sony understands the definition of a gamer while Microsoft seems confused. MS has a TV focus now, tried controlling your games with DRM, forcing Kinect on every buyer. Everyone is pretty much buying a Kinect if they buy the Xbox One. I think you need to wake up because you're hating Sony maybe because your parents bought you a 360 instead of a PS3 or you're still stuck in the way past, 2006. Even 1995 if you were into the Nintendo vs Sony war back then. Trust me, Sony is doing right plus the specs are greater, there's a lot of innovation to be discovered with it's power. Take care.

[nnodley]

I never understand why people say the Dualshocks stick placement is bad. People say the left stick on the 360 controller being where the d-pad is on the dualshock is better because you don't have to strain your thumb and it's more natural. So why isn't the right stick where the face buttons are then. If the left stick feels better then the right stick should feel better placed where the face buttons are as well. Just makes no sense to say the left one is better, but the right is exactly where it is on the dualshock as well.

Freaking blows my mind.

[Nintentional2]

@Kryptix LOL, right PlayStation gamers don't just play fps games, and play all kinds of genres?? Really, dude?? Then why is CoD the highest selling franchise on PS3? Why do so many of Sony's IPs flop (Star Hawk, PS Allstars, Sly Cooper, Wipeout, Twisted Metal, ect)? Lol why has Sony closed down countless dev studios (Zipper, Superbot, Liverpool, ect)? Pffff get out of here with that mess, Sony gamers buy and play multiple genres. Yeah right.

[ShaunCameron]

@ Omegasyde

<2) PS4 never having Nintendo exclusives - True, however Nintendo will never have Sony-owned Ips either. Last time I checked Sony owns more studios.>

So?

<Also how often does Nintendo invest in new original games vs Sony?>

"New and original games" = Sony fanspeak for generic knockoffs of (insert popular IP of the day) that they hype up as great just because they're exclusive to a Sony platform.

[ShaunCameron]

Aside from a few hardware specs and 3-4 high-profile exclusives, Sony and Microsoft gamers are largely one and the same. I wouldn't hold my breath for the 8th Generation to be any different.

[RedHawkX]

because the ps4 is the only option and the xbox one is not an option just like failure is not an option.

[showtimefolks]

includes HDMI

Includes a headset

psn-plus offers much better content for free

lets you change hard drive

from what developers say much better controller

better 1st-2nd party support

priced $399

still let's you use cross game chat without having to buy a psn_plus membership

so yeah better system for sure

[dedicatedtogamers]

It's the only option (right now) because it's the only safe bet. There's so much turmoil going on within Microsoft and within the Xbox division, not to mention the PR nightmare they're cleaning up, not to mention they're scrambling to get the Xbox One out the door and the ones who will suffer will be early adopters.

Sure, Xbox One might one day be worth the money for some people, but PS4 is the only safe, rational bet right now. Xbox One is a gamble, pure and simple.

[aviator189]

I honestly don't consider the x1 a gamble at all. Sure, it's 100 bucks more expensive, but besides that, I don't see me having any problems jumping into getting an x1.
And the games ms showed off at e3 were, in my opinion, pretty darn cool. Considering that microsoft stuck with the xbox business after the poor sales of the original xbox and the rrod mess of the xbox 360, I don't see them abandoning the xbox business anytime soon and you also have to take into consideration the immense amount of cash microsoft has under its belt.

Personally, I feel that getting a console or any other gaming devices is all about the games. On that front, I feel that I have justified my x1 purchase.

edit: @below

"No they didn't. They dropped it like a rock after a mere 4 years. A year before 360 launched, support for Xbox had all but dried up."

I said they stuck with the business, not the first xbox..

And like I said, the primary thing I care about is the games and I believe I'll get what I'm looking for and what I saw at e3 this year. I don't consider myself a naive person as I stay pretty well informed on tech bits online on a daily basis. And I can't deny the great 5+ years I've had on the xbox 360, so I'm fairly confident moving with microsoft with the x1.

[dedicatedtogamers]

Getting a console based on the launch window is exactly the sort of naivety that Microsoft is counting on, but anyway...

"microsoft stuck with the xbox business after the poor sales of the original xbox"

No they didn't. They dropped it like a rock after a mere 4 years. A year before 360 launched, support for Xbox had all but dried up.

"and the rrod mess of the xbox 360"

They denied the issue even existed for months. They also dragged their feet on similar, less prevalent issues like disc-scratching and E74 Error. The reason we got the RRoD warranty is because several lawsuits were being drawn up against them. That isn't "support". That's "trying to avoid litigation".

"you also have to take into consideration the immense amount of cash microsoft has under its belt"
I've heard this since the launch of the original Xbox. Wads of cash didn't maintain Xbox support and it sure did ensure years and years of hardcore game support for the Xbox 360, either.

And guess what? Wads of cash hasn't prevented Ballmer from gradually turning the Xbox brand into an all-in-one media brand. The direction Xbox is taking isn't an accident, and the lack of long-term game support isn't due to lack of money. It's because Microsoft wants the living room, not necessarily the hardcore gamer. Xbox One is designed to compete with Apple and Google, not Sony and Nintendo.

[MariaHelFutura]

The Xbox has came 3rd twice and has lost 3 billion in 10 years.

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

The stock holders aren't going to tolerate them getting wiped by Playstation again. With the 360 they had a year head start, being cheaper, easier to develop for, inflating number w/ RROD, media backing and a bigger budget and still came in 3rd. Right now, the PS4 is better, cheaper, launches at the same time, has the media backing and generally offers more for less. So, If everything leading up to now is telling, this generation is gonna be a landslide in favor of the PS4 and theres nothing Microsoft will be able to do about it (like usual).

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

[Grown Folks Talk]

Just like Sony didn't acknowledge the issues with PS2 until they absolutely had to. Lasers going out, reading only games but not DVDs or vice versa, systems bricking after the 1st few hours of use. People are so quick to bring up 125 million install base like people didn't have to buy multiple PS2s.

[Anon1974]

@ Grown Folks Talk. Sony didn't address the issue of the PS2 read errors because it wasn't a huge issue. A few early PS2's had issues that were usually fixed with a lens cleaning kit. Extreme cases could be fixed by opening up the PS2 and turning a screw. On top of that, Sony acted fairly quickly with a hardware revision that added a more reliable laser.

After the lawsuit Sony offered $25 and a free game on top of free repairs or a replacement console, and it wasn't an admission of guilt by Sony that they settled. Sony maintained the quality standards of their product were sound. At the time the problem was considered within the industry norm as DVD players across the board suffered from similar limitations until the technology became more advanced(and other DVD player makers suffered class action lawsuits as well).

There's no comparison between the initial PS2 issues and the 360's issues. To suggest there was is simply dishonest.

[GameSpawn]

Grown Folks Talk

The 360's issues were FAR worse than the PS2 laser issue. Over 70% of launch 360's were susceptible to the RROD issue (something like 30% were rumored to actually fail) because of a MAJOR design flaw that took NUMEROUS console revisions to completely fix.

Also you miss a big difference between the PS2 and 360, the PS2 at the time was a paltry $200, the RROD-likely 360 model was $400-500 (depending on which you bought).

Also another difference with the 360 and PS2, the PS2 laser issue was fixable with a little know-how and some DIY soldering. If you didn't have the ability, many electronics repair shops did.

The 360 RROD issue was mitigated (not repaired) by heating the motherboards to reflow the solder connection on the CPU and GPU, but the connections would just break again after using the console for a short period of time. This is a problem with design and not a single faulty component that can be swapped with a higher quality one that can get the system working again. The whole damn system was a faulty component.

[Death]

@Maria,

http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...

Not sure on the accuracy of this since the 3 billion loss for Microsoft was from the original Xbox launch. The 360 has actually made back quite a bit of the originals losses. The Playstation brand overall has been losing money for quite some time. Microsoft has the ability to write losses off since they have annual profits to offset losses. Sony on the other hand has been selling off core assets to prevent a fifth straight annual loss company wide which is why their stock was lowered to junk status.

If you thought Microsoft investors were upset, how do you think Sony investors feel?

[sAVAge_bEaST]

"Xbox One is designed to compete with Apple and Google, not Sony and Nintendo."

and it will fail on all levels.. this is what happens when you emulate,. instead of create, and innovate..
M$ has obvious contempt for gamers.. it can be seen by their attitude, since xbone launch, from the heads, down to the Trollbots, that monitor these forums.

[GameSpawn]

@Death

The PlayStation division is one of the few Sony divisions that's actually healthy. The PlayStation division only has such a loss on its books due to the PS3 subsidy as Sony utilized the PS3 as a major chess move to get Blu-Ray standardized, and it paid off. Now that Blu-Ray is the new de-facto disc standard Sony is getting a chunk of that investment back in the form of licensing to use the tech (yes they have to share it with the other BDA founders, but they still get a fair percent).

Where Sony (in my opinion) is hemorrhaging money is their Vaio, Bravia, and Ericsson divisions (aka hardware minus PlayStation). Samsung, Apple, and HP have been beating the crap out of these parts of Sony either with a far more capable product or with one that is just as good but half the market price.

Sony BMG (Music) and Sony Pictures (Columbia/Tristar - Movies) seem to be doing just fine, at least break even or slightly profitable.

[NeoTribe]

If it were about games than you would buy ps4. More exclusives, better quality. Last of us saiz hi.

[MikeMyers]

@dedicatedtogamers,
""microsoft stuck with the xbox business after the poor sales of the original xbox""

"No they didn't. They dropped it like a rock after a mere 4 years. A year before 360 launched, support for Xbox had all but dried up."

You're talking two different systems. They have stuck with the Xbox 360. It's going on 8 years now. They have a new design and the price is still $200. There is still life in that system when in the past 5-6 years was standard for a game console. They dropped the Xbox, so did Nintendo with the Gamecube. When you have a dominant player like the PS2 it didn't make sense to keep them around. This generation is a lot different. There are still lots of games coming out for the PS3 and Xbox 360. Most if not all from 3rd party but still lots of games.

"It's the only option (right now) because it's the only safe bet. There's so much turmoil going on within Microsoft and within the Xbox division, not to mention the PR nightmare they're cleaning up, not to mention they're scrambling to get the Xbox One out the door and the ones who will suffer will be early adopters."

Please. Stop with the sensationalism and drama. They dropped the DRM and always online requirements. Microsoft showed a lot of games and exclusives. The Xbox One is a next gen console. Games like Forza 5 will be running at 60fps and in 1080p while being supported with cloud services and dedicated servers. What's unsafe about that?

"Sure, Xbox One might one day be worth the money for some people, but PS4 is the only safe, rational bet right now. Xbox One is a gamble, pure and simple."

A gamble? It will be $499 and will have a decent launch line-up of games. They are also committed to at least 15 exclusives within the first year and have more games in development now than at any time in history for the Xbox brand. They are also investing boatloads of money into the cloud technology, something that will be running on day one. Sony on the other hand has only made promises to Gaikai which won't even be rolling out until at least 2014. When it comes to online gaming Xbox Live has proven they can handle large demands and provide key features and services. They also have great relationships with big publishers. Where they need to work on is the smaller indie publishers. Other than that what gamble are we speaking of?

[YNWA96]

@ Mariahelfutile, why you keeping score.... By 3rd you mean behind PS2, PS2 slim? Sure, Sony scored big, but then they butt fuked you the way they did PS3. Just like you complain about MS and indies, Sony did same with developers on 3. Even a very talented bethesda gave up on PS3. Granted Sony learned from these mistakes and made PS4, but jesus, relax with stats, I hope both thrive next gen, it can only be good for gamers.... You are a gamer right? Or you only play NDP or vgchartz?

N4G, can I have a bubble back so I can respond? You take them away because diks get upset with comments???

[CrimsonSquall]

"I don't consider myself a naive person" what the hell? If the primary thing you care about is games, then you are literally shooting yourself in the foot by getting an X1 over a PS4 not only is it clearly the superior piece of hardware and will have a greater longevity, but it will also have a greater slew of quality exclusive titles. I am curious as a gamer, what games interest u so much on The X1? Also, u can't base your entire buy off of e3, thats ludicrous. What we know as a whole is that Microsoft has 15 exclusives with 8 being new IPs coming year 1 whilst Sony has 30 exclusives in devdlopment, 20 coming first year with 12 new IPs. Facts stated by each companys executives.

[lastofgen]

ps4 is the only safe bet??
um, why?
each system has different games tailored to various people and for me, I'm loving what sunset overdrive, quantum break, ryse, killer instinct, halo, crimson dragon, d4, below, fm 5, black tusk game, titanfall, project spark, and dead rising 3 have to offer.

[warewolfSS]

Yeah I agree. Anyone that misses out on a game because its on a different console is an idiot honestly.

[AznGaara]

You mention the Black Tusk game but they didn't show anything. Just a guy breaking through a building an a Black Tusk logo... How anyone can get excited for that is beyond me. Don't have a problem with any of the other games you mentioned.

[ShwankyShpanky]

Can you or anyone point me to some kind of gameplay footage for Sunset Overdrive? I see a lot of people talking about how awesome it is, but all I've found is a CGI trailer.

The trailer and all its "traversal" emphasis reminds me of Brink trailers. Personally, I really enjoyed Brink, but it really didn't do too well.

[Omegasyde]

@last of gen -
"Yeah I agree. Anyone that misses out on a game because its on a different console is an idiot honestly."

Anyone that buys another 500$ console for a game on a different console which games library is 95% multiplatform is an idiot honestly.

[karl]

totally agree

but the cost of supporting MS wont justify buying their console

id rather miss on their exclusives
but im not supporting the destruction of gaming as we know it.. they want to change things..

and we have said "not this gen"

[AzaziL]

If RRODs start happening again to early adopters like it did for the 360, it'll be the end for them. Even if the PS4 was $600 I'd still choose it because of reliability.

[Gekko36]

@AzaziL - What a load of bollocks - thats fear mongering. I got one of the original xbox 360's and never had an issue, replaced it when my gran tried to riverdance next to it and it fell off the side and got an xbox 360 slim and it was great.

Either system could fuck up in the future you don't know till it hits the streets.

I've gone with the XBOX One on pre-order because I get to take my live account with me and will be able to watch sky tv using voice commands etc.

I love the games from E3, love the snap feature and the speed of the UI. I think the new kinect is phenomenal and I love the idea of the sensor being able to measure my fear and adjust the game AI accordingly.

For me the XB1 has so many features that I am going to enjoy and watch get better over the duration of it's life span.

I feel the PS4 is just a games console with some similar feature. It's marketed as a games machine but it also does multimedia same as the XB1. Both machines so similar things but i do believe that guaranteed kinect means better experiences in the future.

This is one hell of a time for games...

[YNWA96]

Gekko, you need saving.... You speak sensible, honestly and fairly. We will put an end to that! On your knees and recite Sony is great and powerful 1000 times!

[JUDALATION]

If you like Kinect games and chatting through Kinect in a room full of kids...Xbox is the one for you.

However if you like Free to play games (blocked on XBOX) Indie games (closed publishing on XBOX) New and reinvent IPS (The Last Of Us, Beyond 2 souls, Drive club, The Order 1886, New IP from GG) And upgradeable Hard disk ( Locked to the 500 gb on XBOX and its not enough... trust me!) And the best exclusives on consles (GOW, GT, TLOU, INFAMOUS, Shadowfall, Little big planet,) plus free games every month with the potential to rival steam with Gaiki and... steam on console. With the greatest hand held console integration ever(sorry Nintendo)

Also the addition of games that allow cross platform play with the PC (WARFRAME) AND a touchpad for RPGS & Playstation Eye with a keypad coming soon... Its the next best thing to a keyboard in mouse (Although not as good) All at a lower price and loaded with extra free games? Then there is only one choice... The Playstation 4

[lastofgen]

Xbox one is for people who like Kinect games??

Um, rewind back to Microsoft's e3 conference and tell me how many Kinect games they showed off again..

Let's see...there were none, right?

[s8anicslayer]

Xbox one introduction = Tv and voice commands oh and "Teh Cloud". Trying to reason with fantards is like like trying to reason with your non housebroken dog not to sh!t on the floor it's all in vane! Buy what you like and enjoy your purchase don't rain on someone elses parade because they like Pepsi instead of Coke!

[Gazondaily]

@s8anicslayer

Lol@ you calling others fantards. Let me break it down for you.

Lastofgen said:

"Um, rewind back to Microsoft's e3 conference and tell me how many Kinect games they showed off again.. "

See the words E3 CONFERENCE? So why are you deflecting the question?

You kids....

[warewolfSS]

Dude dont bother arguing. You will notice Xbox supporters hardly argue on here because they realize the Sony fanboys are childish and dellisional.

Sony didn't have a good e3, plain and simple. And I'm buying BOTH day 1 because I don't want to miss any games. Watch the disagrees come

[lastofgen]

@s8anicslayer

Um, what?
How in the world am I trying to rain on someone else's parade?? I mean, you do see the statement that I was replying to in which context, right?

And I was talking about the e3 conference, not the xbox reveal. Shame on you for calling me the fantard..

[s8anicslayer]

@Septic,Lastofgen Point is very simple, you can find discounted games from many retailers anywhere digital or hard copy, "Free is Free" and if you argue with "Free" then your just a fantard no matter which way you cut the cake "Son"! Kiddies take things out of context and blow things out of proportion because their minds are very simple and lack knowledge and mostly speak nonsense because they are misinformed and and cannot process fact from fiction just like your replies to my comment!

[Jaqen_Hghar]

Kinect sports Rivals. 15 exclusives in the first year (compared to 20 for PS4) and a good amount of them WILL be Kinect games (they wouldn't put a camera with every box if not). A man will just get a PS4 camera and get all the interface features of Kinect along with any interesting 3rd party game features which can be easily ported. A man will also enjoy more new IPs and more exclusives from more proven developers. Let's not forget that Sony has shown far better support AFTER the start of the gen than MS has. The 360 was great at the start but once they had a user hooked they kinda neglected the exclusives. Meanwhile even in its 7th year PS3 got or is getting Sly 4 (best in the series iamo), NiNoKuni, LoU (GOTY according to most so far), Beyond, Puppeteer, GT6, and GoW Ascension while 360 got or will get...Gears Judgement. No comparison for late gen support.

[rainslacker]

I actually wish they would show how the Kinect will be used for a better gaming experience. It was one of my pet peeves about the conference. All this hoopla over the Kinect, and nothing about how it affects gaming at the E3 conference. But sure enough, MS has smartglass all over the place, although not really in an overt way.

I actually do like some of the functionality features of the Kinect when it comes to the X1 OS and what not, but not enough to warrant spending an extra $100 for the system to get those features. I imgagine every feature they showed could be done with a standard controller or optional remote, with the exception of skype video chat.

I guess what I'm basically saying is that if MS wants people to care about Kinect, they should give us a reason to care, and not just try to get people to care through forced functionality.

[Foxgod]

Why do people keep mentioning warframe, when it was on pc only, hardly anybody mentioned it, or cared about its existence.

And when something is on Pc and XB1, they think its hardly an argument to own an XB1 for....

[dedicatedtogamers]

To be fair, Warframe has a pretty loyal following (as is the case with most f2p games that are above average).

Additionally, Warframe is a 3rd-person game which tend to not do so well on PC and do much better on consoles.

Just a thought. I've put a handful of hours into Warframe on Steam and while I do like it, it's definitely the sort of game that I'd prefer to play on consoles.

[mxrider2199]

bc the dev of the pc version said the ps4 version is better when its cross platform for pc and xb1 the pc version is better bc of the max settings... the only developer that said xb1 vers is better is for titanfall bc of the cloud giving dedicated servers thats it...

[Foxgod]

Because of the perspective of the writer of that article.
People all have different perspectives and tastes, and that what ultimately moves you into buying your console of choice.

I can perfectly understand that people think, hey, i like the sony games, and its a 100 cheaper.

But other people like me think, i like the MS games, sure its a 100 more, but i want to play the games that interest me.

[sarcastoid]

Or you could wait for the timed exclusives to be up and play it on the console made by the people that truly support gaming. But that's your call.

Edit: That sounds troll-ish. I was sincere, I do respect your opinion. was merely giving an option.

[Lvl_up_gamer]

Well I love Halo and Forza....are they also timed exclusives?

You were marked for trolling.

[Gazondaily]

How is that going to work if you want to play Forza? Or Dead Rising 3? Or Quantum Break? Or Project Spark? Or Halo? Or D4? Or Killer Instinct?

And why then wait 6+ months or whatever it is to play Titanfall?

I want to play Titanfall the day it comes out along with all the exclusive games mentioned above.

I can't do that on the PS4.

[warewolfSS]

Or he can do what he wants. Damn dude why do you care so much??? Get off his dick.

[CrimsonSquall]

@Septic the only game that I see actually buying and playing is Titanfall. But it'll most likely come to the PS4 and is certainly not a game that is worth $500 to play first. Sony has already proven to me that they make quality games ( and not just 2 or 3 franchises) so they most definitely have my vote.

[rainslacker]

@Septic

There are comparable experiences to almost every game out there on every system.

Forza ->GT
Dead Rising 3 -> Pick any number of Zombie games
Quantum Break -> Whatever Quantic Dream will do on PS 4
Project Spark -> Little Big Planet
Halo -> Killzone or any number of other FPS(will admit Halo is a lot of fun though)
D4 -> Can't really say...not to familiar with it.
Killer Instinct -> Any number of much better fighters out there. Really? The new KI seemed really lackluster for a fighter. It would be torn to shreds if it didn't have the KI name. Even the earlier Killer Instinct games scored in the low to mid 70's for their time. It was a niche fighter with an extremely loyal and vocal fan base.

Why wait for TitanFall or other timed exclusives? Because the PS4 is shaping up to be the better system. Cheaper to boot. There will likely be more games to choose from as time goes on.

Bigger question is, why jump at early adoption for a few big shinies dangled in front of you? I can answer this with Sony for myself, but I'm curious...how do all you MS fans feel that MS will provide for you in the long haul? Honest question here. Would appreciate a respectful reply based on current and past trends from MS offerings.

I'm not trying to downplay you're excitement for those games, as I feel game preference is extremely subjective. I also understand how people can become very attached to a single IP.

However, what I notice based on comments such as yours, although I generally find you to be OK and reasonable, is that it seems that the people who use them are very closed off to trying other experiences as well. It's along the lines of "[Insert exclusive] is the end all, be all of [Insert exclusives genre] awesomeness, nothing else compares, so it's not worth even thinking of something else because [ORIGINALLY MENTIONED EXCLUSIVE] !!!!". And yes, I will concede that people from the Sony camp act this way at times also.

[thehitman]

Do you have faith in MS that you will still have games that you love on it after 2014? If so what games are they or are you satisfied with just playing cod all year every year?

[Foxgod]

Yes they will, and i dont play COD, dont like it.

MS will not close all those studio's they opened the past 3 years.
They worked really hard to match their first party line up with the competition.

They even have a 100% japanese 1st party developer now, Microsoft Osaka.

[strifeblade]

yeah why would they stop supporting their console after a 5 million install base? they started producing less exclusives after 2011, by then they had around 50 million install base, its only when they introduced kinect really that they stoped producing as many exclusives

[DragonKnight]

@Foxgod: Keeping studios is one thing, using them properly is another. Rare is a perfect example of that.

Also...

"They even have a 100% japanese 1st party developer now, Microsoft Osaka."

You mean the Tier 2 country they don't care enough about to launch their newest console in on time? There's no point in Microsoft having a Japanese studio when they don't care about Japan and Japan doesn't care about them.

[MikeMyers]

"You mean the Tier 2 country they don't care enough about to launch their newest console in on time? There's no point in Microsoft having a Japanese studio when they don't care about Japan and Japan doesn't care about them."

Wow, talk about fanboyism. Not all systems have worldwide simultaneous releases. The Xbox brand has also gotten Japanese support. In fact we've seen exclusive content so Microsoft does indeed think Japan is still a key market. It just doesn't have the same impact on a global scale when compared to North America and Europe for sales.

http://www.computerandvideo...

It would be far more relevant if Sony didn't release the PS4 in Japan first.

[rainslacker]

MS Japanese support is pretty much a joke overall. They get the big publishers because those publishers want to sell their games in the west, and the 360 has too big an install base to ignore. But if you want to talk about Japanese support, then Nintendo and Sony is where it's at. The number of non-westernized Japanese games that come out for both those systems from 1st and 3rd party far exceeds MS "Japanese" support with their 1st and 3rd party efforts. And that's just with the localized ones. If a game is "westernized" then who cares where it's made? If you care about Japanese games, you would want them to be Japanese in nature.

Japanese games have a certain appeal to them. French games have a certain unique flair to them. Most other western games are so homogenized it's almost laughable to call them innovative, outside a few exceptions of course. Not that I really have anything against western games in general.

[Angeljuice]

@Foxgod

Free to play games is a big draw to PS4 for those on a tight budget. You can spend £350 on a PS4 and play them online at no extra cost. XB1 costs £80 more and you need to buy an XBL account to even play F2P games, thats £120 difference already for fewer games. Not everybody has a large budget for gaming and PS4 gives you a lot more F2P games on a more powerful console for a lot less money. It may not matter to you, but it will to a lot of people.

@Septic
Most of the games you listed are headed for the PC, which again lessens the need for XB1.

[Foxgod]

I respected your opinion... until you started to claim toward Septic that most the games he listed are on PC.

He listed only one game thats also on the PC, and thats Spark, 2 if you include Titanfall, but he didnt list it so you are trolling.

2 out of 8....

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Truth be told, main reason why XboxOne isn`t a consideration for me is because my room is way too small for kinect. Why would I buy the console if I wouldn`t be able to use a critical function of it?

[Funantic1]

Unless your room is the size of a closet the Kinect should be ok. My room isn't the biggest. If your room is too small the TV wouldn't be good for your eyes. Plus the flashing lights would strain your brain more and raise your chances for seizures at a real close range.

[Kenshin_BATT0USAI]

Ugh, well, I have a shit load of computer equipment and such in my room. Two desks, a sofa, and a bed. Frankly it's jammed packed.

[GunsAndTheBeast]

Because it's better. What? I'm just being honest. Deal with it.

[Roper316]

to me it's because I have no faith in MS to not do another 180 and put all the BS DRM back in. Since the reveal they have done nothing but misinform people, try to spin everything negative and if all else failed just out right lie about it.

To each their own but I personally feel MS is just bad as a whole for the gaming industry in general especially after they showed us the future they are pushing for.

If that is what the future holds may I forever live in the past!

[fsfsxii]

We'll have to wait 4 years for them to flip the switch again

[xReDeMpTiOnx]

Let me say this first, I'm not a fanboy but I do prefer Sony over Microsoft because of exclusives.

From what I saw game wise from Microsoft nothing really blew me away except Titansfall which is most Likely timed exclusive.

People need to remember all those games shown were running on modified pc's not x1 hardware which makes me think that Microsoft is stumbling quite a bit with the actual hardware.

I'm sticking to Sony because Microsoft revealed their intentions and their intentions are something I would never want in a system regardless of the 180 or not.

Sony has more exclusive coming this year and the launch lineup imo is better. They also have more game exclusive being announced in August at gamescon.

[InTheLab]

PS+, SCEA, upgradeable hdd, no forced cameras, and most importantly, they didn't try to bone their customers. MS screwed up and don't deserve my time or money, but that's not the reason why I choose PS4 over Xbox One.

Sony has gone out of their way to provide you with the best experience whether it's GIVING AWAY FREE GAMES through Cross Buy, or saving me hundreds through PS+, and free online all last gen. They also made a reliable console that has been the work horse for 7 years, while my Xbox died of mild use over 3 years. Superior 3rd party support for accessories instead of expensive proprietary crap like MS' racing wheels. And most of all, supporting the console by giving it one of the best year of releases seen on any console back in 2011 and doing it again in 2013...months away from the launch of the next system.

They made a few missteps last gen but none cost me $300+ to a new console....so yeah, they've earned my respect, time, and money.

No worship here. It's called rewarding loyalty with loyalty...

[AznGaara]

MS has nothing I would buy an X1 OVER a Ps4 for. Will I get one down the line? Sure, when its cheaper and smaller. Right now though the most interesting games of next gen for me are multiplat titles with the only exception being Infamous. Yes, Titanfall is multiplat.

Yes MS had a great E3 and showed a lot of games but remember most of those games are launching within the first year so after your console has been released you'll still be hearing about those same games for another 7-9 months. Which is why half the games they showed were just trailers. It's good to hold some things back for later. They've said they're saving games for GamesCom and that's good but it better not be more trailers. Same goes to Sony. I thought The Order 1886 looked interesting but all that "rendered in engine, using in engine assets" talk really gets annoying. I want to see GAMEPLAY.

To each his own. I have a PC, there's my Titanfall. I'm getting a Ps4 at launch, even though Infamous comes out next year. Why? Because I'm not spending $1000 this holiday on two consoles and I'm getting the one thats $100 less and more powerful. Also cause I think Knack looks cool lol.

[Urzusix]

Personally I think the PS4 has a better line up, most of the games at Microsoft's E3 looked rushed or just cgi videos, like Halo, Black Tusk videos looked like they had been made between the reveal and E3, TitanFall isn't out till next year and its on PC, which suggests to me that the rumors before E3 that Microsoft was spending a lot of money to get timed exclusives was true and we will see most of the 3rd party games on PS4 sometime soon. The fact that Killer Instinct isn't being made solely by Rare show just how much the have ruined that studio @.@

[MasterCratosKong66]

Only option...pretty absurd. Don't get me wrong I am getting a PS4 for sure but to act like it is the only option is silly, and it is hard to understand how any gamer could limit themselves otherwise. There will always be fun games to play and control schemes that are not available on the PS4 and until that stops being the case I will not limit myself to one console.

[PositiveEmotions]

Because its not all about "TV"

[D-riders]

Its because MS showed their hand last generation and showed that thy dont care about the industry, its about money. As gamers we feel that they mae enough toff of us and that we wont be treated like idiots. Sony didn tdo that which makes Sony a definite pick for next gen.
The funny thing is some people are such hard fanboys that when MS was gonn take away ownership of titles and use anti-consumer tactics people were still supporting them.

[S2Killinit]

because it will have better games throughout the generation, if history is any indication.

[o-Sunny-o]

PS4=Great exclusive games, Value, Features, contents, and Freebies!

[Klad]

There is no such thing as freebies in this case! in order to get those so called freebies, who ever is responsible in your household must pay your internet provider!, you have to spend money on the console itself, then pay money to subscribe to the online services e.i PSN, Xbox live!

[mxrider2199]

there are many f2p games which dont require ps+ please use google before you talk about something you dont know about. Any f2p game is not required by plus's paywall

[Klad]

its your only other CONSOLE option if you have MORE MONEY to spend. otherwise, Wii U is your next best option. If Microsoft drops the forced use of Kinect (SPY CAM) and offers a Version without the need for the use of Kinect, then Xbox One will be another option.

[LoveSpuds]

Even if the consoles themselves had parity, why would anyone trust MS after all the shit over the last 2-3 years?

No exclusives outside of Forza, GoW and HALO and then all the XBone stuff.

Just weigh up the track records of Sony and MS and there is only one company that has continuously provided exclusive after exclusive and there is only one company that didnt try and shaft their fans.

[Thomper]

My sub of Edge arrived today (late!) and the story is not as sensationalist inside. Edge are obviously struggling for sales with this cover.

Does anyone else here sub to Edge? Did you notice anything odd about this issue.?

[Larkman13]

@Thomper....Here we go again...and you say im tiresome. So what do you want to gain?

[Thomper]

Hey stalker!

I'm kinda getting used to you following me about....

How about we get you a nice collar and lead....wudya like that, wudya boy??

Good dog.

[Larkman13]

@Thomper
Good one. Using the dog angle(i wonder how that happened). People dont listen to this babel. Thomper has one thumb in his mouth and one thumb in his ass waiting for MS to tell him when to switch. How that taste baby bitch?

[fsfsxii]

Surprising, you own a vita, and have a subscription for EDGE. Man, why don't you get a life?

[Thomper]

Oh, I have a life.. And lots of money... And an Audi....

I have it all... And I have lots of games... And a fracking huge lawnmower...

This site is so funny...

[fsfsxii]

That just proves it.

[Funnymonkey013]

Everything they listed is completely right PS4 is just a better console all around from games specs PS Plus and really exciting free to play games that a u don't need ps plus to play them or online unlike x1 and 360 u would need gold so really it's not free on x1 and 360. Plus lots people agree Sony has the best 1rst party games then MS and pretty much kills ms games at it 2 with higher rating and more game of the year with Sony games. Xbox fanboys I'm going to say this out straight expect ms to keep milking halo gears of war and forza games to no end just like they did on 360 and paying 4 time dlcs and content on it first where Sony keep making new games every few years. Lets just say if UC4 TLOU2 New GOW and few others once come out for ps4 the winner of this gen is ps4 by long shot.

[noctis_lumia]

because its the best console maybe ?

[MultiConsoleGamer]

This article would have been relevant during or immediately after E3. However since the Xbox 180, things have drastically changed for MS. Those of you who have seen the retail numbers already know that I am right.

Edge also has a very well established rep for being a team player for a certain company. Open any issue in the past year and count the playstation related ads and you will see why edge never bites the hand that feeds them.

In short, while I still believe MS screwed up big time they are still far from being out of the race. And if I were an edge subscriber I would be insulted by their insistence that I buy anything just because they said so.

Now if you're a single console owner with purchase justification issues or a fanboy you probably won't agree with anything I have said. Let the slings and arrows fly.

[cunnilumpkin]

if I could only have one next gen gaming system, it would, without hesitation be pc, next ps4, then xbox1, then very, very last, a wii u

most likely I will get a ps4 within a year of its launch

i'll wait for a price drop and for there to be at least 4-5 must have titles

I certainly am not buying a $400 console, a $60 game and paying $50 for a year membership just to play killzone, it doesn't even really look next gen graphically, far behind crisis 3 on pc and the gameplay looks 100% current gen

Bungies Destiny looks awesome, but it will be FAR better on pc and they are already hinting at a pc release

[wannabe gamer]

So we need a website (N4G) to show us a german website showing us a magazine that shows us why PS4 is great......................... ............................... ............

[buynit]

All this back lash the x1 is getting is well deserved IMO...

I unlike most ppl, actually loved the way you can transition from games to tv or any other media. it was so quick and smooth it was awesome and the way you can surf the web while playing or Skype while playing... The damn thing does a lot and it does it smoothly, we'll from what I have seen anyway... I even loved the new kinect! I liked the voice control and how it can recognize you. I wasn't all scared about the whole spying thing either..

Used games was fucked up but I never borrow or lend games so it didn't effect me much at that point I was like just announce killer instinct and I will buy it with the intentions of mainly supporting Sony through psn+ cause I wasn't paying for live anymore and with the psn+ you get so many damn games for free! I would be a fool to pay for live. I was also going to buy all multi on ps3 I was going to do what i did with the 360 for most of this gen..

Then they dropped a mega ton bomb... You can't play offline at all if not checked in 24hrs. Fuck that! That shit sounded like rrod part 2! I loved my 360 but I went through a lot of down time and frustration with the thing. I wasn't about to support something that intentionally bricks, no... Yea my Internet rarely goes down my Internet is very good but that doesn't mean shit can't go wrong.

Yes they changed the policy but just knowing that they wanted to take it that far on top of the other stuff , I just can't forgive that not any time soon anyway, I never say never so I may buy a xb1 but I know it won't be any time soon and the chance is their of me just not buying it at all, better luck next gen ms if your still around.

It's crazy how bad ms messed up this isn't just a high price and bad architect like the ps3 was faced with. This f up is beyond all that, ms shattered their image. I tell you what though it will be interesting to see if ms can pull up and out of this crazy mess.

[MikeyDucati1]

That was one terrible, terrible article. It can be considered and viewed as propaganda. Now why I risk having multitudes click the disagree button (don't care but the act is stupid when the reason is solid), I find that the article only served to further fuel a silly fanboy war that in another instance they would slander others for. The truth of the matter is, Xbox One was just presented very very poorly. The truth of the matter is, Sony also wanted to go this route. Might not been executed the same way, but Sony did file for some DRM patents. So they had some kind of platform in tow. What essentially happened is Sony played one hand in front and one in the back. They very smartly and slickly, waited for MS to come out in full force to see how the crowd would react. That's why their reveal was real short on much information. But nobody questioned that at all. It was fine. Then Sony afterwards (Xbox One reveal) went on the "we are friendly and love gamers" campaign. I like Sony. But I'm no fool. This is a business at the end of day. And both companies want your dollars with the least amount of resources given to have that.

The article was just poor taste and written by an ignorant author who expresses their non objective journalism. You have to view this generation objectively because there is so much brewing underneath the surface. The industry obviously wants to change how you game and how you go about receiving that service. It's not just Xbox One. Gamers actually think foolishly that Sony did what they did out of love. No, they did what was viable for them, not for you. What would increase profit for them, not for you.

The bold truth no one is talking about is that Sony leaves that part up to the devs. If the devs choose to go the route of DRM, Sony isn't the enemy, they are. It's all smart tactics to conceal one thing...

The industry wants DRM but the industry knows it can't outright say it wants DRM. The consumers must be coaxed slowly. Look at EA, they have a bad rep so they don't care, they doing what they feel should be done. I'm not justifying with it or agree with it. They were hoping it would have happened by now (collective acceptance of DRM) but it seems to be taking longer than they expected.

Just think about PSPlus and it's digital downloads. They want you to get used to the idea of buying digitally.

[mochachino]

I don't really care about popularity whether now or in the long run. I'm going with the best games/value which again this gen seems to be Playstation.

IMO Playstation has been the best console 3 gens running now in terms of game and value and it looks like PS4 may be the best Playstation yet.

I say this from a perspective of owning at least two consoles the last 3 generations too in case of any accusations of bias.

[nismo15]

Who would buy a xbone from a company that goes back on its own policies and from a history of a company that ditched its core base for kinect and 3 milked exclusives.. (halo,forza,gow)

[Flotche]

Please who else beside MS and X1 use cloud technology. Even big PC GAME or Studios dont use it. And JokesonYou. When we want to show u the moon dont focus on the pointing hand. U cant limit urselF to E3. And state X1 has a best line up!

[urwifeminder]

I am so glad there are other options if sony were the only show in town I wouldn't play consoles anymore c64 my first look at gaming plus 70s 80s arcade,n64,dreamcast,xbox and xbox one for me plus the fan base seems too much like a brotherhood I like all other companies though.

[xYLeinen]

It's a gaming console mainly with multimedia features.. Xbox One is a multimedia console.

That's how I see them at least.. I live in Europe so I won't be able to use all the features of the Xbox anyway..

[Hozi]

PS4 is easily the only console to invest in. WHY?

It's cheaper than it's competition.
It's sexier to look at than it's competion.
It's got more games than it's competition.
The games looks sexier on PS4.

It has more RAM than it's competition, and faster RAM too.
It's got way better online services and free stuff to get with PSPlus.

It work with PSVita...that's really sweet being able to play your PS4 games at work..or somewhere boring but has WiFi.

It goes on and on...

[MikeyDucati1]

None of the tech specs matters though. PS3 is a very powerful system. Yet, games looked much better on 360. Riddle me that. Here you got a PS3 that is acting as a supercomputer with millions of other users donating their PS time to the folding at home, and Soul Caliber looks better on 360. Go figure.

It's way too early to speculate. People pissed on the Xbox saying that Playstation 2 was king. Then Xbox rose from the ashes. PS3 came out, people dissed that and gave their allegiance to 360 for many silly reasons. Now we've come to the next gen and it's back to PS4 is king and MS is lame.

You would have thought by now and after all those years that we have learned to stop making such early judgements and just enjoy our passions

But no, we always gotta have a Red vs Blue team thing going on. Silly.

[Hozi]

Such is life. No Competition would mean no Innovation. I believe that the PS4 this time around will take the throne from the beginning to end though...it's way easier for them to develop on it than the PS3...so Mulitplats will look better on PS4.