Bloomberg - GameStop Corp., responding to a report about features on Microsoft Corp.’s next Xbox video-game console, said customers would snub any new machine that restricts play of pre-owned titles.
"It would be great if people had to buy more of the thing," says guy who makes money selling the thing.
Nah should be optional. Not a PS fan but I like their strategy of selling an optional external optical drive. Its all about Options and this will let everyone get their way. Cheaper for digital only and then you can chose to pay more for the optical drive if that is important to you.
@Profchaos
But what he describes already exists in the 2 base models. If it is a rumor you can blame Microsoft for really backing it in court but if we are honest we all know it's true.
@Eonjay I'm not denying the appeal of it I can see it being a useful mechanism for allowing gamers to upgrade as needed however until there's concrete proof and not speculation and remember ms still bases that court submitted document off of the same leaks we see on Reddit, 4chan etc I just can't believe it.
The system would be further opened to exploitation and they would need to release an overpriced drive for consumers to buy for it and sure as they do we will hear complaints over the cost of it
Absolutely consoles don’t need disc drives. My house has 2 PS5 digital editions, one since launch. Zero issues with the lack of disc drives. In fact, the digital purchasing lets us all share each other’s games, usually mine, and play the same game at the same time on-line.
If they did then collectors wouldn’t be getting f***** over with discless collectors editions
Lmao
We are paying roughly the same now without the discs. There’s literally collectors editions which are roughly in the same price range that have a disc.
I’d rather pay a little more for something physical anyway
No shock, GameStop is alive because of trading. If they don't have used games on their shelves they are absolutely donezo.
Well of course the GS boss thinks this... that's their bread and butter business. That and funco pops and clothing, though those two were added as a means to supplement the decline in people buying used games or even new games. GS just sucks overall when it comes to gaming. I buy my physical stuff on Amazon or Best Buy.
As for "requiring" disc drives... nah. Not anymore, but i like having them as an option. They had a means back when games actually ran off the discs and were more/less complete. Now they are incomplete and the disc is really an installer with a license to play. If you want to change games you have to take out the disc and put in another. Its more convenient to just use digital. I have been into digital for years now and when the PSPortal comes along i wont even have to go into my game room. I will just play my PS5 from my couch downstairs. I have a bunch of digital installed games to my 5... I'm all set.
imagine next 10 years , the only way to play video games is through the cloud .
i hope when that time comes , i would move on to something else to enjoy .
If it ever goes all digital I’ll be playing my older games a lot more. I have a couple thousand games from NES to PS5 so I’m good. I’ll probably go to the outdoor range more too.
Agree I'd definitely be going retro also tbh I've been shifting over to playing more retro stuff since the PS5 xsx gen started given how much stuff comes out broken and overpriced
If every year is as good as this, I will probably stay. I was growing very disappointed with gaming in the last few years and was not really excited anymore. I think in the last couple of years there was literally zero games that I was truly excited for.
I mostly game on steam these days. Last I checked, you can't find a physical steam game.
Also, the main benefit of physical is for resale value / lending games / making your shelf look cool. I don't do any of those, so I'm cool with digital.
I still have a mostly useless collection of floppy disks from back in the day. Things change over time. Usually, it's for the better even if we can't see it in the present.
The world isn't ready to remove physical yet, but in 20 years, who knows. Maybe we lose discs and go back to cartridges. Maybe 6G defies physics, is available worldwide and has latency equal to a physical console. Only time will tell.
What I can say, is that an all cloud future will not happen if technology is not ready for it to happen. And there is a long ways to go before we even come close.
I have amassed a substantial physical collection. Should this day ever come, I'm going completely retro. For me the golden era was the ps1 in any case and I constantly replay rpgs from that time too on an annual basis.
I've been gaming for 45 years across different consoles, computers, and media. I'm pretty sure that I'll be gaming for as long as I can in any form that's necessary for me to play those games. But that's just me. Everyone got to do what's right for them.
So weird to see the split thought process on Consoles VS PC.
Consoles need disc drives but not PC?
All Digital future is the devil on console but totally fine for PC?
I thought PC was the master race here huh? Rules for thee but not for me?
Their majority of business is built @ physical media, that brings the money to them, what else are you expect him to say.
I only use disc drives for Bluray movies really. Not so much for games unless it's a really nice physical edition
Of course he does… he sells discs in a time when fewer ppl want to buy discs. Consider that discless consoles exist bc market research shows many ppl will pay less to give up something like a disc drive. I mean most computers don’t even have disc drives these days. They are wasteful and unnecessary at this point. And if you actually think a disc drive is protecting you from some corporate bogeyman, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.
I think the next gen consoles will be digital only,
but with optional disc drives for movies and games. that seems to be what playstation is doing going forward. Treat it as an accessory.
That would be great so you don't regret buying digital consoles later.
Not sure why a consumer would be against it. They literally save you money, and you can sell it afterwards if you don't want it. There are no options for that through a digital marketplace. Hell there's still some old games on psn store for full launch price.
From the beginning of disc-based gaming these companies should have made their disc drives (the most likely fail point of the hardware) easily replaceable. It would have saved a ton of consoles from being junked and creating many tons of e-waste.
I don't buy as many games these days, but I still want physical discs, and I'm hoping the rumors of a replaceable disc drive in future Sony consoles is true. It's what we've needed all along. If the drive fails, pull it out and place a new one inside, nice and easy.
Because of this it also means that disc drives shouldn't be mandatory anymore either, since you could just go digital only as some gamers prefer.
Of course he would say that as digital is going to be final nail in GS's coffin. 95% of my games are digital so a disc drive I am fine without. My PS5 is digital.
I personally don't want to buy a console without a drive for me in Australia games can cost at least $30 less on average on day 1 at retail vs digital
For example I brought mw2 for $69 on day 1 disc vs $110 that Activision wanted for digital.
Horizon fw cost me $79 physical vs $125 digital
And Spiderman 2 will again be around $80 vs $125
What I don't like about physical is the game is no longer complete on day 1 as many games run terrible without patching or worse contains nothing on the disc like MW2 or Halo infinite.
Or like many switch games require a mandatory download.
Adapt GameStop.
You can be Netflix or Blockbuster, it’s your choice.
For now, the SSD on my PS5 is the most expensive component, so I plan to never waste it by utilizing a disc drive to boot up a game.
Sorry not sorry.
Much rather have a optional model. Hopefully the rumours about Sony's revamped ps5 is true.
also lovely that gamestop sold these discless consoles than complains about the return rate.
I’m a strictly digital guy but even I wouldn’t want a non disk drive option for ANY console. I don’t understand people who want to take other people’s options.
One thing we can agree on with GameStop lol. Obviously they need physical media, but I think it should always stay the norm forever...wishful thinking.
Really? Gee whiz.
I got some more breaking news. ExxonMobil is against electric vehicles!!
Imagine it. All consoles digital. Games £70+ as they are now. The average person who has a mortgage, kids and bills to pay. The cost of these consoles and VR, gaming is starting to dig a whole for itself.
He just knows his business model would be trash in an all digital space, you cant resell digitital copies.
I just waiting to see the movie about GameStop and Wall street.
I will say most of the games I bought in the last couple of years has been digital but I feel it is important for me to have a disc drive on my console.
Of course he’s going to say that. Jeez. Their whole profit margin has been based of selling used dic based games.
Gamingbible writes: "Luckily, if you’re living in the US you can trade your Xbox into Gamestop, where you’ll receive a hefty amount of cash as well as a $50 bonus for certain customers, just short of enough to buy the PS5."
Lol well, we tried. But you cant save a person from drowning if they wanna hold on to their fur coat.
Im kidding off course.
@Julion0715 @ichdich
So you guys won't change consoles?, give me reasons.
Your answers will probably explain why I'm so f**cking pissed off at Microsoft for buying two large mulitplatform publishers.
It isn't easy right? but you guys don't care because is not happening to you.
No thank you? N4G won't stand for this blasphemy!
SF releases next month hopefully that should give ppl incentive to keep their console. I know there's PC you can play there to but not everyone wants to play on PC.
@Hyper,
My guess is they love either their piece of plastic, their corporate overlords or gaming on the cheap.
Likely a combination...
@hyper
Gamepass and I have a gaming PC so, I can play all the Sony "exclusives " at a higher frame rate and graphical fidelity. Why would I trade my Xbox for PS5.
After adding ABK they will have even more games at a great value.
@bryan
By that same logic what would be the point of having an Xbox? If you have a pc that handles both ps5 and Xbox games you don’t need either.
@lex
I got my gaming PC last year to replace my old PC and I already had a XSX. It's pretty simple.
So, Zero horizon was disappointing and Spiderman/ miles ( got both for $50)are just ok. I might get R&C when it goes on sale.
@Hypertension
If I had time for a PS5 I would have bought a PS5 by now. I intend to someday, but at the moment my backlog is too big. Not only would I have to trade in all my games (for pennies on the dollar) and rebuy them for PS5, but Xbox actually finally has some exclusives coming out in the near future that interest me. I'll get a PS5 whenever Naughty Dog's next game comes out, at the latest.
@itsme
"I can play SOME the Sony "exclusives " years later. Some of them run better, some run worse." - Fixed
@bryan
Your logic is amazing.
Not even close to all the Playstation games is being released on PC, and if they are, it's years past release, and often in a state when PC masterrace people cries anyways.
By logic, you should have a PS5, a PC and maybe a Switch if you're into that crap.
Especially as 100% of the Xbox games is also release on the PC, day and day.
@Jin
Judging by the replies here some of these people don't prefer games :).
On topic, I wish I could trade in my xbsx for a steam deck!
What games? FFXVI is the only true exclusive PS5 has right now and that's going to PC eventually too.
Spider-Man 2 and there’s plenty of great games to play that released over the years. Can’t say the same for Xbox.
There's a pretty decent slate of games coming out this year for all platforms. Armored Core looks great, Mortal Kombat 1 looks great, the info we're getting on Tekken 8 has me thinking it's coming this year. Sea of Stars can't be slept in either. If we're just talking about PlayStation games, Spider-Man 2 and Stellar Blade are expected to release this year and both look great.
I believe jin-sakai has an Xbox Series X (I could be wrong), but I reckon they're interested in those games, along with Starfield. That aside, Mario Wonder, Super Mario RPG, Star Ocean, and Suikoden I and II are all very welcome titles for the rest of the year.
I think no matter what platform you're playing on, there's enough there to generate a backlog.
EDIT: How the hell did I forget Lies of P? 🤡
Darxyde
"Starfield. That aside, Mario Wonder, Super Mario RPG, Star Ocean, and Suikoden I and II"
Enough said. That's my game slate for the rest of the year.
That ain't a deal at all. Trading in a beast of a console for that, I don't think so.
It’s a beast alright. Lol
“Digital Foundry about XSX teraflops advantage : It's kinda all blowing up in the face of Xbox Series X“
I mean, I wouldn't trade in one console for another but instead buy both, prioritizing one over the other based on games I like.
That would be the obvious choice but some might only be able to afford one or the other. And you have fans who will only support their console of choice regardless.
The PS5 is a better deal in the end, I really can't see the appeal of sticking with the Xbox.
"A good deal for those who want a console with games."
Like what? After all that bravado, the only game you could name was one that isn't out yet (Spider-Man 2)
Don't get me wrong, the XSX lineup in pathetic. But lets not pretend that the PS5 is any better. You can count the number of console exclusives for both on one hand.
If you're looking at games announced with release windows, there's only one console to get as it stands if you want games and it's not the PS5.
PS5 has one slow year yes but they will start pumping out games soon and everyone knows the quality of their first party games are unmatched.
Did the Xbox get any legend of heroes games, alot of jrpg type games skip the Xbox so unless your not into those types of games Xbox isn't a good choice at all. Alot of us from what I see have stuck with sony for the longest because they've had a great jrpg catalogue from 3rd party developers that xbox just can't touch. Those of us that enjoy alot of different games will get both consoles , I bought my series x about two weeks ago for starfield. It will only get used for a game here or there, most likely anything rpg related.
Hard to tell who are in the Xbox Ambassador program from some of these comments. But for the masses, the console sales numbers are telling us which way the winds are blowing. XBox is in an important/pivotal moment right now imo
At this point in time If I didn't own a PS5 I would have done this in a heartbeat but I had already acquired a PS5 first before I acquired an XBSX.
I'll stick to keeping both. Gamestop though... seems kind of desperate to take in Series X units. What could they be plotting???
They make pure profit on used consoles. They don’t share any of it. And they’re generally only like $50-$100 cheaper than new.
So they “sell”a PS5, make their small cut from that. Then sell the refurbished Xbox and get to keep all of it. It’s win win. They get a small cut on PS5, and a large cut from the Xbox.
Could be two fold sell as much base ps5 stick before the slim or pro drop and resell the xsx for those after a starfeild machine
PS gamers buy games number one. And they make money off used consoles. It’s a double benefit for them
I just want some games for my series X I have both since release and after weighing the offerings in PS Essentials to Gamepass I quickly realized I Owned anything of worth in both catalogs. And, the things I didn't I didn't see as justifiable for maintaining both subs.
Since then my series X is a legacy machine that I play my old games on and that's it. 3 years ago I really thought from that Xbox showcase we were going to have some great games by now. Instead, it's just been a lot of meh
Yep. That's why I waited this generation to have a reason to buy the Series X. Got horribly burnt buying the Xbox One because I decided they had games I was interested in then they canceled the games I wanted right after.
Was tempted after they had that great showing awhile back and am glad I waited because it would have collected dust for 2 years otherwise. Couple games out and on the horizon that look pretty good. Might be a good purchase in a couple years.
Blah. It’s better to own both consoles than just one or the other imo. I’d never trade in my Xbox for a PS and vise versa.
I don't think it should be necessary for someone to own both. I just wish 3rd party games were cross save and cross play. I don't want to be paying 50 different subscriptions
I never said it was necessary but let’s be real here, if you wanna play any and every game possible on current gen you need multiple ways of doing that. Personally I always buy every console that comes out but if one can’t afford to do that or don’t want to do that then sure buy what console you like best.
If by both you mean Switch and PS5. This is the most common I would guess, I’ve also got a Quest, at some point I have enough toys.
Nope by both I mean Xbox and PS5 although I also own a Switch as well. If you prefer Switch and PS5 then more power to ya. I tend to own ALL consoles…
Ya no. While I don't play the X often my kids play game pass all the time while my PS+++ sits unused. The one thing I will credit Xbox with is getting new game pass games you can play up in your face so you actually see them. On PS5 it's almost an after thought, multiple times I have gone to purchase a game on PS5 only to see it has been available to me in PS+ for who knows how long. I honestly don't know if my kids even know where to access those games.
...honestly, I'd trade my 5 for the Halo Series X. I can always get another 5... the Halo X is one tough cookie to find (for a reasonable price).
Sounds like America right now, just letting anyone into the ecosystem. Sleeping outside hotels and in makeshift tents in the city parks.
We didn’t ask for them, and don’t really want them here.
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I love my series x i dnt need a PlayStation, not all gamers like ps games it’s that simple idk how you guys stay on this high horse of PlayStation is better crap. You like what you like I like what I like. those are my reasons
Scalpers who still have unsold series x units. I can see them trading in for 5s to resell. Then again... both are readily available so I dont think that would happen... but it could.
If I lived in the US and got some strange reason I didn't own a ps5. I would be onto this.
If you main or are invested in the Xbox ecosystem (game library, friends, gamerscore, subs), I don’t know man. It might be tough to just throw that all away. Be easier to just own both.
I will never forget get Valentine's day this year I copped a PS5 for myself lol went into Walmart soons they open at 6am I WANT THEE PS5, yep THAT 1 LOL felt like a kid walking outta the store with it, first game downloaded was hogwarts legacy lol, playing 60fps is great, will get a series x soon that can be use for some good ass multiplatform games
Who the hell would trade their Series with Starfield on deck? Maybe if you had two? Let’s be real, if you don’t already own a PS5 you either don’t like games or can’t afford it.
Maybe that’s what GS is banking on. If Starfield is a mega hit and it’s a big IF then people will want to buy an X to play it and they can sell these X’s and make a nice profit from them more than they would if if they sold a new console.
Get a PC and a Switch and that'd be enough to play everything as long as you're patient.
I’d rather keep my X and just buy a PS5 outright. I would like another PS5 for the living room so this or bf probably the best time to get one.
Ridiculous article. You can trade in your console and then spend just $15 more to buy another console.Who makes these articles and who thinks it is news worthy to be on N4G?
Back in the day, I traded in my PS2 to get an XBox. 2 years later I bought another PS2 and have owned the latest iteration of both ever since.
What a stupidly misleading article title.
If this was the other way around, I wonder if thr comment section would be the same...
I'll be honest as a ps guy, right now you'd be a fool to do this with starfield right around the corner. Wait till atleast you try it
GameStop’s chief financial officer is resigning, in the latest of several executive departures from the video game retailer.
Listen everyone, MS and Sony, if they decide to cut off the used games, and the people who buys used games boycotts the system, both MS and Sony wouldn't care. Why? Think about it. They sell the consoles at a loss anyway which means when you buy a new console they lose money. So the way they receive most their money is through software which used games consumers don't buy new. MS and Sony wouldnt make money from those people so why care what they think? These companies need to make money and developers need to get paid. Hopefully they can come up with a system that can benefit everyone.
Just my three cents on the matter.
The stock market is so dumb. They react to rumors. That story isn't a good reason to sell Gamestop stock. We know nothing about the PS4 and new Xbox. At least wait until we do.
yes...because Steam has suffered so badly from having ZERO used game sales.
...or Gamestop customers will snub Gamestop (like I already did).