Capcom responds to 20 min DMC install

Capcom US has responded to CVG's report yesterday that PS3 Devil May Cry 4 forces gamers to sit through a mandatory 21 minute install time - with little improvement to load times there after.

Just to be sure, we timed the 5GB install process (which you can't opt-out of) on our PS3 retail version and it clocked in at 21 minutes, 41 seconds.

[skagrerrrr]

why will it cost 10 pounds more on the ps3?

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

retailers fault

[marinelife9]

I'm picking it up today and I'll see for myself. Although I don't have a 360 to compare the loading times to.

[Chippathingy]

Does anyone have the answer to that? Let me take a wild guess here....it's because Blu-Ray disks are more expensive to manufacture?

But that doesn't account for all the other multiplatform disks costing the same.

[Real Gambler]

Not sure why some country charge more for some games... Here in Canada, I never, ever, saw one game on the PS3 that was more expensive than the 360 version. Very strange.

Maybe buying online would be the solution. If the stores who are charging more do not sell games anymore, they will come back to regular prices...

[Brixxer600]

That's the million dollar question as far as European gamers are concerned, i've no doubt that they'll claim it's to do with "Localisation", it's the usual answer.

[athlon770]

Typical, it was explained in an earlier post here on N4G that the developer is not charging more for the game, but it is the retailer that is deciding to do this. Nothing to do with development time, BD disk usage, or solar winds, the retailer is charging more because they want too and can.

Here is the link...

http://www.n4g.com/industry...

[ravenguard88]

They're apparently quite expensive to produce.

I remember hearing a while ago that PS3 games were supposed to be $10 more than 360 games.

[fusionboxer]

these guys changed their story a bit. In the first article they posted that there was no difference after the install and now because a capcom rep came on the table and said their is a difference you see CVG saying there isn't, but there is. "But only by a couple seconds of course".

If they couldn't say that in the beginning why should we all of a sudden listen to them now?

[mighty_douche]

meh... its 20 minutes... talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill.

Some of us have been waiting years, whats another 20 minutes.

[KidMakeshift]

And apparently it's "exciting" lol

[craymoogy]

20 minutes is much less than 4 years right?

I can't do the math anymore, please someone help me.

[Scrooge]

As a PC gamer, I don't see what is wrong with an install time. It's probably just a minor problem that the competition is blowing out of proportion just to be able to have an advantage. Every game I play has an initial install time, no problem. When I installed World of Warcraft last november it took 2 hours to install, so what?

[Wraith001]

Yea cool Scrooge but how big is ur hdd mate compared to PS3?

If this trend continues because of low Blu-Ray drive speed i will jus ave to get the exclusives for PS3 and the multiplat on 360, coz i aint upgrading a console!

[rofldings]

Wraith001, or you could just delete the install for games you don't play anymore?

Or upgrade your HDD, 2.5" SATA drives are pretty damn cheap.

[radzy]

starting with 40 gig , about 7 gig for the operating system .
so now its about 33 gigs. install dmc4 (25 minute wait) and -5gigs.
now thats 28 gigs left. install oblivion (another 25 minutes wait)and -5gigs again.
now thats 22 gigs left.etc......
until you have installed about 5 games on hard drive and no space on the hard drive left for divx xvid movies , themes , songs , etc...
THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHI....T!!!!!!

[rofldings]

@Above,

First of all, not all games require an install and some games have it as optional. Uncharted is a great example of a game that doesn't need an HDD install and yet has no loading screens. Epic.

Second, you can just uninstall the game after you're done playing with it. Seriously why keep 6-7 games (pretty rare to have that many in the first place, unless you intentionally go out and buy games that require an hdd install) AND not all games are 5gb as you say ... Warhawk for example was only 900mb?

Last, you have infinite options to fix it - upgrade your hdd, my PS3 is currently a 250gb (originally 60gb model) - I got the HDD for about 90$ (sale).

FYI, I have 14 games (not including PSN games) and only 3 of them require an install (totaling about 10gb) - and 1 game has an optional install (UT3).

[paracardium]

It's the only thing people have to whine about to make the ps3 version look bad. I've never seen a ps3 game take that long to install.. Sigma and Oblivion don't even come close to 10 minutes and it's about the same amount to install.

[marinelife9]

That's a great point. And the load times in both games were way better than on the xbox and on the xbox 360.

[Johnny Blaze]

I was able to get my hands on it for the 360 and I must say this game is great..Never [played 1,2 or 3 but this one has me hooked

[ar]

Do you feel there's parts in the story you can't grasp because you haven't played the other games?

I haven't played the first three and I'm thinking of getting DMC4.

[bruiser81]

I would recommend you buy the first one, it pretty much explains everything. I personally dont even count 2 and 3 just tells about how he and his twin brother rivaled each other and how his brother dies.

[KidMakeshift]

What!

You people need to play the first one at least
You're only missing out

[Johnny Blaze]

http://forums.xbox.com/1828...

It has links to youtube videos of 1 , 2 and 3 explaining the story line...

[ar]

Thanks!

[HardcoreGamer]

its cheap nowadays, you should pick up dmc1, and dmc 3, give dmc2 a miss,

you will enjoy the crap out of those games, they are amazing even today

[LaChance]

5GB and 20 minutes is not worth waiting 1.5 second less when loading.
20 minutse aint alot its true but 5gb on a 40gb dd is alot.
anyways devellopers probaly care less for ps3 gamers complaining cuz thay didnt complain for the 600 dollar price tag so they think its ok to charge 10 dollar more for the same game.Its like a trap

[actas123]

Agree. The fact is, the developer and the publisher both screwed up.
Plus, why this game is more expensive than others? its not like its better or anything. The graphics are inferior to other true next gen games, and don't tell me graphics are not that important. Because if so, why bother and buy a 360 or a ps3 then.

[Legion]

It appears that you are actually getting more time then that. Yes the difference between the 360 and PS3 is only that small amount of time with the load to the HDD. But if you did NOT load to the HDD then the load times on the PS3 are MUCH worse then the XBox 360. (or am I reading this wrong?)It said something like 2 to 3 times the load times without the 21 minute download to the HDD. Because the reading speed of the Bluray? I didn't know that was actually a factor with the Buray disks? Anyone know the actual truth on this subject?

For the record I do like the way Bethesda made it seemless with Oblivion. But didn't Oblivion work on the core system? So why did it need to load to the HDD? Or was that for only the PS3 also?

[CrazzyMan]

So, it`s because DMC4 went multiplatform, that game now has INSTALL and Downloading times on PS3.
Otherwise, it would be like Uncharted, NO install and NO downloadings. =)
So you can blame ONLY greedy Capcom, blu-ray has NOTHING to do with THIS. =]

[actas123]

let face it, the developers screwed up, just like most of Japanese developers on next jen (to date). I think the Japanese should stick to making hardware and leave the software making to the Americans.

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

Japanese are the best developers.

[PopEmUp]

mean lets the American developer screw the gaming world cause all they make is shooter and no replay on other genre beside sport games

btw looking at your avatar you're Liverpool fan well good luck supporting them cause they ain't get any trophies/cup this season because united will take them all and domestic cup bot fa and premiere also uefa cup it time to look at 98-99 again United ftw!!! about the season you're out of the race is only gunner and maybe cheski to come against Manyoo and have great time watching your team been net so enjoy

[Greek99]

So your saying Square Enix sucks? I find that really offensive. Seriously.
Japannese developers are the best developers in the world. They know how to tell a story, unlike Epic with Unreal Tournament 3.

[Myth]

His comments don't belong in the Gamer Zone

[Robearboy]

But 20 minutes is bad, sure you can get a sandwich and a drink but this is supposed to be 2008, not 1984, i shouldnt have to go get a sandwich or a drink, what if im not hungry?

[rofldings]

Masturbate.

[Bathyj]

I literally just laughed out loud.

I do believe he just called you a wanker.

PS,
rofldings
Ok, I got a sandwich, a drink and masturbated. What do I do for the other 10 minutes?

[Gaara_724]

take a dump?

[actas123]

u can always watch TV.

[The Wood]

i mean some trolls who shall remain nameless look for positive comments to crap on for more than 20 minutes an hour. Gimme a break, 20 minutes once is nothing but background install would of helped

[phony force slayer]

that was a great comment. bubbles for u m8 lol

[Skerj]

Install Orange Box on PC and then come back and talk about install times and space.

[bumnut]

yes but thats on pc, not a console

[riksweeney]

It's going to be terrible. The Xbox 360 owners are going to post their reviews of the game a whole 21 minutes and 41 seconds sooner than the PS3 owners.

20 minutes is nothing compared to the amount of time you'll spend playing the game.

[Meus Renaissance]

lol

[Legion]

Ha... that was funny but I don't beleive that PS3 players actually play the games prior to review do they? Don't they just rate it versus what they are told to rate it as?

Just a joke... don't go getting nancy boy on me.

[CrazzyMan]

AND 3,4% is MUCH lower then RROD rates, and PEOPLE complain? You must be KIDDING? Right? =))

[LaChance]

lol , are you seroius ? yeah you right if you aint hungry youre in deep trouble

[Robearboy]

Im suffer from anorexia :)

[Ju]

Yes, yes, deep, deep trouble. Indeed. LOL :)

[CRIMS0N_W0LF]

coming from a pc gaming background. 5 GB and 20 min install is nothing!

Also I strongly doubt it takes 20 min. More like 10 min max. Oblivion installs 5 GB on HDD no one complain but now they are complaining.

Also why worry about 40 GB? PS3 you can change HDD whenever you want and need unlike X360.

[Legion]

Actually the XBox 360 people can switch out their HDD whenever the feel too. They just currently only have the 2 options to choose from. But I can transfer my files to my computer if I want to free up space,,, via my media connection. So that pretty much frees up the need to change hard drives and pay extra money to buy extra ones.

But really... 5GB??? WOw... why does Sony use Bluray again? So they can give you more memory on the disk so that you can transfer it to your hard drives??? This is confusing... the logic is lost to me here.

and didn't we purchase the console systems so we wouldn't HAVE to load anything to it? So we could just drop a disk in and play? What ruin have we brought upon ourselves when we take awy the good things that the consoles give us?

[Bazookajoe_83]

I doubt it is because of bluray read speed, it´s 105mb a second. Could be because the dont compromised the game. And exchanging my hdd on my 360 is more than twice as expensive as exchanging on my ps3. I hate that they ms did there own clip on hd, they are so overpriced and i cant go with a 320gb. I hope someone comeup with a way to open the clip ons and exchange the inner ones..

[ThaGeNeCySt]

http://www.xbox-scene.com/t...

^^^that's a tutorial on how to take apart the HDD on the 360 to reveal the regular SATA drive that's inside.. however, there isn't a tutorial on how to build any harddrive to replace it with yet (nor a way to keep MS from knowing you did this so u don't get banned from XBL)

[Legion]

I was just referencing to a reply to the article:
"Posted by Darren1967
The truth is, CVG, that without this mandatory 5 GB install the loading times on the PS3 version would be 2-3 times slower than the Xbox 360 due to the slower read speed of the Blu-ray drive, which would then become a big issue for PS3 owners. By enforcing an install, Capcom are ensuring that no PS3 owner has to complain about long loading times in a game that traditionally doesn't have any."

Was he accurate or was he full of it? Just pondering... and still pondering why we have so much room on the Bluray disk but are required to load the game to the drive to get XBox 360 load times?

[FirstknighT]

Whoa, I remember I used to do this on my PC years ago. Funny how some things never change.

[nanometric]

...as some people ;)

[Kururo]

And some things do. like a lack of a standard hard drive.

[Voozi]

I dont see what the big deal is...I mean once you beat the game, just delete the 5 gigs off your HDD, or leave it on there and delete it if you need to make space...I mean it's not like deleting it gets rid of your game saves and you can always just reinstall it back on, yea it'll take another 20 min but so what? Just go watch a TV show or surf the interwebs...

[anh_duong]

i actually prefer moving as much onto the hd as possible.. this not only ensures faster loading time but reduces the strain on the blu-ray drive motor, help the laser to last longer and reduces the probabity of disc scratching.

pc gaming has had hd loading since the dawn of time so i don't know what the problem is.

[green]

why is it mandatory for you to install it?couldn't day just make it optional.

Tech guys on N4G,can you please explain

[Voozi]

"Lazy" development on there part, they *could* have made it optional since some other games with hdd installs have had the option whether you want to or not.

But it really isn't that big of a deal dude lol, just go watch a TV show or surf the interwebs for 20 minutes...and you can delete the 5 gigs of data whenever you want and it's not going to affect your game saves as I said before

[jwatt]

I installed games before but it's no big deal I mean you seriously can't find something important to do while you wait. Take a piss, get a cup of water, tell someone in your family you love them or come on n4g and tell everyone your waiting for your game to install.

[Bazookajoe_83]

I have to say as above, the developers have been convenient and not added it, UT3 has it optional and it works great. Some has written it is because of blurays read speed but i hardly doubt it since it´s not such a big or demanding game.

[Ju]

BD is not the fastest driver there is. I am pretty sure, if load times would've been slow(er), we'd have the other articles popping up complaining about the load times. As much as I hate the install, I can accept that. I hate nothing more then long loading times. I could imagine, though, they could have implemented a more elegant streaming solution. Especially because the game is linear anyway. Don't see why they couldn't stream the whole game like Uncharted does. BTW. Uncharted loads, too, if you run backwards (kind a weird effect).

[Neurotoxin]

20 mins to save load times is a fair price to pay.

[Bathyj]

This might annoy some of you young kids.

If you ever had to load a game on a Commodore 64 Tape Drive, you grow up a lot more patient.

[Neurotoxin]

Lmao, Hows about the Vic 20.... some people take things for granted WAY to much. *clutches walking stick and shakes fist*

[Bathyj]

And keep off my damn lawn.

I swear that tape deck was so touchy and temperamental you actually had to leave the room to better your chances of it loading. If you came back too early sometime it would fail just as you walked in.

I know it sounds rubbish, the old mans lost it you say but I swear its true. The day I finally got a Floppy disk drive (back when the disk's were actually floppy) I was in heaven. Quick, reliable. You could put 3 or 4 games on one disk. Awesome.

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