God of War team has 'pulled back' from violence against women

Viewed on a timeline, the God of War series is basically the story of a man becoming a remorseless murder machine. The stage demonstration at E3 was particularly graphic, showing off Kratos going full Hannibal by ripping out a monster's brains. This was the partial inspiration for some developers reacting to the violence trend at the show this year.

[user5467007]

So Kratos could rip a mortal man apart or a man in general but a women in any form is a big no no

Tad sexist don't you think in both ways...

Don't see why it's ok to show a man getting killed or beaten up but for women you have to watch when you step...

and I thought most women like the idea of equality and being treat no differen't to men. Seems we have the opposite here.

It's a hack and slah game where a guy beats the crap out of his enemies....male, female...no human.

[-Mika-]

Your logic is seriousley flawed. Yes we want to be treated equally but we don't want to be treated equally. We wanted to be treated equally in the workforce or in general respect. Not being treated exactly like a male. I personally think it sick that a person would want to see a femaled harmed cruelly in any way.

Anyway I think this is a great thing. In GOW3 there was a part in the game where you had to use Poseidon princess as a key to get through a door. She was innocent and was not a threat to kratos in any way and he just killed her in a cruel way. I really did not like that part of the game and im glad they're pulling back from this. Also if you don't know the scene im talking about. Here the link to the video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[user5467007]

...<sigh>

-Mika-, it's a game not real life.

"I personally think it sick that a person would want to see a femaled harmed cruelly in any way"

Now was there any need for that, don't twist my words I never said anything like that in my comment.

The princess was just a throw a way minor character with no use. Kratos left her, the crank loosened and it killed her...Kratos didn't kill her himself, he just left her because she wasn't important and the worst happened. Kratos has always done that, I remeber the first game when Kratos had to get the key from the captain for the captains quatars, once he got the key he let go of the captain and he went down the Hydras throat to his death.

"I didn't come here for you"

Why should violence against women be "pulled back", it's a video game...think of all the womens heads you've blown off in Fallout in VATs, all the women you've ran over in GTA or maybe the all the times you've chainsawed Anya/Samantha/Bernie in half on Gears of War 3s online.

Jeez...I guess some women just can't handle that huh. I bet if it was a Poseidon Prince you wouldn't give a crap if he died or not.

Bottom line is if can't handle it, don't play it...simple, but all people should be treat equaly, if you can kill men or attack them violently in videogames you should have no problem when doing it if the character is female.

[SeekDev]

It's too limiting to exclude women as enemies (or killable beings) in video games. Kratos murdered his wife and kid (a young girl) by accident, that's quite saddening.

It has a point though, it's what caused his anger toward Ares for tricking him. To have the player feel further sadness for Kratos they could have allowed us to play that scene out, it would have had a greater emotional effect on the player. God of War is an M rated game, so there's no reason why something like that is out of the question. But that's an example of how killing women in games is necessary, and in fact, not any different from killing a man -- what if the wife were a husband and Kratos a female ;)

[TheSaint]

'Your logic is seriousley flawed. Yes we want to be treated equally but we don't want to be treated equally'

Actually this logic is seriously flawed.

You can't have it one way and not the other, you either get treated equally or not. You don't get to decide in which areas you'd like equal treatment.

[helghast102]

"We wanted to be treated equally in the workforce or in general respect. Not being treated exactly like a male."
=
"We want the pros, but not the cons"

Fuck you

[Bathyj]

So women want to be treated the same as men, yet treated special too? Right, gotcha.

I agree with Mike, treating someone different because of their sex is the very definition of sexism.

[ChipChipperson]

When you say someone's logic is seriously flawed, how about explaining what it is that is flawed?
"Yes we want to be treated equally but we don't want to be treated equally." You just pointed how your own logic was flawed. You can't say women want to be treated as equals, but really don't want to be equal because by that logic, you don't want equal rights, you want more rights.

" I personally think it sick that a person would want to see a femaled harmed cruelly in any way." I don't disagree with you there. Getting pleasure out of seeing a female getting beaten,raped,etc. is horrible, BUT like MikeCosgrove just said, it's a video game. It is fiction. The developers aren't advocating violence against women. You can't have these double standards. If women can't be shown falling victim to violence, then why is it alright for men to fall victim to it?

[h311rais3r]

Yea women should be treated equal. That includes physical jobs. Firefighters and policemen NEED to be able to life a certain amount and perform a certain physical way but when women physically can't perform in certain ways you come crying and screaming sexism. I'm sorry but a 115lb lady can not carry a 250lb man out of a burning building. That's 2 lives at risk. If the woman can prove that she can all the power to her. But in general women are not physically built for those types of jobs. Again if she can then yes hire her.

God I hate people like you. "give me all te rights that men have and more!" makes me sick to be honest. It's a proven fact men and women are better at certain things however if one or the other proves the self capable then there should not be a problem.

On topic this is stupid. It's sexist not to include them and only have men die.

[hulk_bash1987]

@Mika
I understand your logic, flawed as it may be. But you have to understand they're just video games, they are not real. To me, women should never be beaten up or abused in any way physically but that only applies to the real world.

[WeskerChildReborned]

Exactly, it shouldn't matter what gender you are.

[joab777]

Women don't want across the board equality and neither do men. It's ridiculous. We are different creatures with our own strengths and weaknesses. Because for so long women's strengths havnt been held up by society for their importance and necessity, many groups have gone wayyyyy overboard to get what they want and it has had many negative side effects. It's an unfortunate situation because now gender identity has been flipped or muddled in an absurd fashion under the umbrella of relativism.

As far as GoW, it's good to know that hitting women remains unacceptable. Though, havnt many women died from floods etc? I really don't have a problem with violence in the right context. It is a part of life and history, as well as historical myths and stories.

[SPAM-FRITTER-123]

A Pimp Named Slick Back won't be happy with this.

[rezzah]

They want social equality, but even if they ask for biological equality it will have to be up to their biological makeup.

[BitbyDeath]

So we won't be seeing any Sirens in this game or do they not count as 'women'?

EDIT: Just read - 'Mortal women'

Well that's different then, their will likely be no need for it anyway.

[GuyManDude]

I'm wondering if it will tie in with the plot at all, or if it's just a decision they made. After killing his wife and daughter, Kratos could have vowed not to hurt another mortal woman again, only to snap and not give a fudge later in the series.

I doubt that's the case, but that would be interesting.

[black911]

Say it ain't So.

[AgreeFairy]

I knew this God of War would suck from the beginning. This just confirms it.

Lots of franchises died this gen...

Tomb Raider
DMC
MGS
Resident Evil
GTA
The "Tales of" franchise
Tekken
Street Fighter
Dead or Alive
Virtua Fighter
Final Fantasy

The list goes on & on. Next-gen might as well be all about new IPs otherwise console gaming is dead.

[Whitefeather]

Only DMC, Final Fantasy and Resident Evil became bad. I haven't played and Tales of Games so I can't judge that. The rest became better.

[Der_Kommandant]

WTF are you talking about?

[Sgt_Slaughter]

Have you even play ANY of the "Tales of" games this generation? Vespiria, Grace f, Symphonia 2, etc. were all very kick ass!

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

Once Again Over exaggerated hate on the XIII series, I"ll admit XIV a pretty big flop. Tales are u serious Vesperia, Graces, and Xilla are great.

[Mr Tretton]

The best art, is non-conformist.

[ITFGaming]

Until men start rising up lol! Did an article on Is the violence depicted in video games the norm: http://www.itfgaming.com/op...

[smashcrashbash]

I would just like to say that if you read any Greek or Roman legends this is the way it was. People drone on and on about everyone's behavior in GOW but that is how it was. This is how the warriors behaved. This is how they killed monsters. women and men where painted as naked or half naked. Just look at any statue of a god or demi god. Women were not treated as equals and there were violent situations everywhere.

That is how the stories were told.So many people are trying to judge GOW on modern standards but you can't.If Kratos stopped and thought about every single thing he did and stopped to think about how he shouldn't kill this person or that thing, then he wouldn't be the character he is. He would be some bleeding heart always lamenting over every death and kill he made.

What is next? No blood because it's violent? Is Kratos going to sit down and talk about his feelings with the monsters? Are they going to start sparing creatures lives because they are just doing what do naturally and it's not their fault? Are they going to make Gaia and Medusa wear shirts and pants to cover up their nudity? One of the reasons GOW was good because it was raw and bloody and didn't hold back, the way a hero would be in Greek or Roman legend.

Did anyone ever read Hercules and how he behaved and slayed monsters? He slaughtered the Amazons when they attacked him.If you are going to begin toning down everything he does then just don't bother.End the series now if you no longer have the guts to go all out. I am sure certain people were just as disturbed when Kratos ripped of Icarus's wings and let him fall to his death and the fact that he let the captain fall into the Hydra and held on to him to climb out of Hades.

So what they are basically saying is that compared to these events him killing the woman was infinitely worse? So the hundreds of deaths to everyone all the blood spilled by Zeus to the Spartans or all the lives Kratos took while he was a general and under Hades rule plus all the lives the Barbarian King took don't bother you but all these things pale in comparison to time he killed ONE innocent woman? So we can watch thousands of men die as long as no women do? Gotcha.

[ChipChipperson]

Let's not forget to add incest to Greek mythology, Zeus also f***ed his own sister, Hera.

[Furesis]

she was his wife as well

[LarVanian]

And let's not forget the amount of women who Zeus had affairs with including one of his other sisters, Demeter.

[hazelamy]

was there ever any violence against women in those games?

maybe the harpy things, but they're not really women are they?

ok, maybe a goddess here and there, but count how many men he killed?
you'd probably need NASA to work out the numbers.

good idea in theory, but in a game where the whole point is to kill as many, um, things as possible is as gory a manner as possible, well, the sentiment seems kind of insincere.
jumping on the bandwagon a little i feel.

and these women in the game are more tan capable of killing him if he doesn't kill them first.

there are games far more guilty of promoting violence against women than this one.

[smashcrashbash]

I think they were mainly referring to the time in GOW 3 when Kratos was forcing the woman to open the door for him and she died as a result of it. They probably see this as abuse against women or something. But I don't see how this is any different from he was forcing the priest to read from the book while slamming his head against the reading stand in GOW 2. Was that okay as opposed to him forcing the woman to do what he said? I

f women want equality in any medium they have to take everything that comes with it. You can't say rip and kill and punch and murder guys but leave the women alone. If you want to protest it in modern setting like Tomb Raider I respect that because it is the a modern setting but GOW is ancient times. It's supposed to be the way it is.

It's a little awkward to watch women get beaten up and punched and attacked the same way as the men but I have watched Storm and Rouge in X-men and Hawkgirl and Wonder Woman in Justice League get serious beatings enough for it not to be too much of a problem for me.

[rezzah]

In any medium it is only okay if men get hurt, not women. That is The mentality of the immature mind.

[clrlite]

I watch situations like this because I try not to give money to people who sensor art in order to be pc. It is uncalled for, except in rare circumstances. If people are easily offended, perhaps they should read the warning label, or reviews.

Not to mention the people who claim sexism, discrim., etc. etc. are often the most messed up and sometimes have ulterior motives.

[SageHonor]

Political Correctness and Sexism

[rezzah]

Why can't they just be logical?

Instead they just try to fix the social aspect of things, which are ever changing. Therefore there will never be a final solution.

With logic everything is understood, just how we know 1+1 will equal 2.

Logically women should be treated the same as men in this medium. Letting opinions based on how "how things should be" will lead to a faulty truth.

[SageHonor]

I agree, which is why i believe there is nothing wrong with women getting killed in games. Logically people should be treated the same. Indeed

[DivineAssault]

well @ least he will get some hot box like in all the others.. He releases his rage in a beneficial way

[rezzah]

I think this is good as a business move. In other words, the less complaints the better the reception and possible sales.

[Sainox16]

All I Gotta say is.. Hahaha can't believe it