Via NeoGaf:
In the latest Game Developer magazine, there is a pretty good post mortem of Stranglehold , and interestingly one of the bullet points under "what went wrong" is Unreal Engine 3.
"Unreal Worked really well in giving art a big head start, but keeping up with the code drops from Epic took up lots of time. We did a big merge of all Epic's new changes into our code base about once every three months. This was a difficult and error-prone task, and at times it took the whole team down for weeks while we worked out all the issues. We lost probably two months of time on the project due to completing these merges. In the end using Unreal Engine 3 was still a win, but we should have done merges less often, and found ways to insulate our content creation teams from the downtime."
TNB: It is thanks to all the developers and publishers who made these games a reality, though you didn't get what you deserve, your hard-work and zeal to do things outside the box will never be forgotten.
Demon Souls underrated ? I don't think so. 1.7 copies sold (VG Chartz) and often considered as one of the greatest RPGs of this gen. I think the game has the recognition it deserves and has nothing to do on that kind of list, in my opinion.
vgtards is for tards. Please don`t refer to them ever again. It`s run by hypocrites who are fanboys. Which company doesn`t matter.
On topic: Demon`s Soul`s does not have extremely high scores in reviews, thus underrated.
I will agree that alan Wake is a bit underrated. For anyone looking to play this game, check out Steam's weekend deal. They've got Alan Wake and Alan Wake: American Nightmare together for a total of $4.00 USD (90% off).
@Kos - I disagreed until I read the last sentence.
Technically, you're correct; "underrated" games are games that were given lower scores than they deserved.
@BattleAxe
Alan Wake underrated? 80+ at metacritic (here: http://www.metacritic.com/g... ) is overrated if you ask me.
I don't have (although I did have one sometime ago, not at Alan Wake's time) a X360 then I was glad when they released it for PC, since I'm firstly an Adventure(/story-driven/tellin g) gamer. It lasted the 1-2 hours I played the game.
Maybe I was mistaken when I trusted this was a more story-centered game - with that I mean the most enjoyable part is the story, not how to unveil it - but as soon as I started it I felt its action nature. And immature story, at least near other games where it (tried to?) fits.
Put it near (for example sake) a Quantic Dream game and it's just a boring and repetitive action game with somewhat elaborated-but-generic story that doesn't make me want to continue to play.
Demon's Souls got decent enough reviews (sitting at 89% on metacritic). It isn't criminally underrated by the critics and certainly isn't by the gamers. I don't think it is worthy enough to put on a list like this. All in all I would say DeS did very well. Oh, it also won Gamespots GOTY award.
89 meta average for a new ip, especially one that took chances like demons souls, isn't under-rated. I followed it diligently. It only dropped to 89 with its last review. And it sold great for an exclusive.
"This Summer, Chow Yun Fat as Kaz Hirai in the new blockbuster hit, "It Only Does Everything" coming soon to theaters.
I'd watch it.
On topic, Demon's Souls is far from Underrated. The game caused quite a stir, got loads of attention, spawned a sequel, and even won GotY! How is that underrated?
My underrated games this gen...
Alpha Protocol
Folklore
Warhawk
MAG
Tenchu Z
Demons Souls definitely shouldnt be on the list, fantastic game, I kinda prefer it to Dark Souls, although I prefer Dark Souls for other reasons, both SUPERB games
Singularity was pretty good and underrated, and Warhammer 40k: SM, its really fun online
I agree with you. Demon's Souls should not be on that list. Initially it was an underground title, but after alot of word of mouth, it's become very popular. On that note, I agree with you in the fact that Demon's Souls is vastly superior to Dark Souls.
But cool, another person who enjoyed Singularity! I thought the game was incredible, unique and very well done. Multiplayer was even pretty fun, though it suffered heavily from lag. Servers were complete ****
A cool game that got forgotten easily. The fact that a majority of Xbox fans have preferential treatment for FPS might also be a deciding factor.
IS "preferential treatment for FPS" Why games like Gears of War and Assasins Creed are the two top selling franchises coming out this generation?
Some of the best games are remembered as being amazing due to having such great characters. It takes a lot of effort to make a cast of characters truly likable. Have you ever considered how much effort goes into creating just one character? They are carefully sketched countless times, modeled and animated, voiced... Their personality is carefully sculpted along with the story, and eventually the character comes to life.
Sometimes, however, developers can get away with skipping some of these steps. Maybe it's a marketing cash-in on a famous figure. Maybe it's use of a franchise license. Maybe the developers were just fanboys of certain people like the rest of us are. Whatever the reasoning, the fact remains that recognizable figures have been finding their ways into video games for years now. Here is a list of the ten most stylized of these figures: the ten that have been blown up into something truly special.
Gackt has quite a few characters based off him in the Final Fantasy series, namely Squall and Genesis (and probably other games). Could have done a little better than mostly sports game spinoffs and pop culture games though, I mean come on, they're a dime a dozen.
The actor Takeshi Kaneshiro as Samanosuke from Onimusha.
The main character from Onimusha 2 was also based on an oldschool Japanese actor.
I'm surprised they put Gackt's Bujingai character on the list instead of Genesis from Crisis Core. More people know about Genesis than Lau, tbh.
Reportedly, two Hollywood writer types are working on a script for the film adaptation to John Woo Presents Stranglehold, which was a sequel to John Woo's Hard Boiled. Full circle, man. Now Hollywood is trying sequels out as games before they make them.
Jeremy Passmore and Andre Fabrizio are currently writing the script (or "penning" it as the Hollywood Reporter likes to call the practice), but there isn't any news of casting. Nor is there any whether Chow Yun-Fat will even be a part of the film based on a game that is a sequel to a film.
Now if only someone will make a movie of Peter Jackson Presents King Kong: The Movie: The Game. It would be Peter Jackson Presents King Kong: The Movie: The Game: The Movie. Awesome.
Pretty cool, that reminds me, I need to finish Stranglehold at some point, pretty good game though.
well the game was actually pretty decent....wouldn't mind a sequel at all..dunno about the movie though unless the director of the game will also be directing the movie
Isn't Stranglehold based off the movie "Hard Boiled"? Or is it just a coincidence that they both include Chow Yun Fat and are directed by John Woo?
Looks like another Developer, who had to work with an uncompleted Unreal 3 engine.
How many devs now have voiced concerns, besides 1 suing?
Really should call these segmetns PostPartum..not postmortum..these games are not dead yet..they were just out..(born)..jeez
I'm not a game developer but I do know about manufacturing and production. When we need to make 100 of something we make a prototype. We work on that prototype until we're happy with it and then we lock it in from changes. We dont make anymore changes and we start to a manufacture copies, all the same, no mistakes.
Unreal engine is still a work in progress. I dont mean its not finnished, but its evolving and always been refined.
Seems the devs having the problems always wanted to keep adding these refinement to the engine but the problem is it was affecting the work they'd already done. It was trickling down the chain. Making changes to the prototype meant fixing things down the line.
They should have got the engine, said ok this is what we've got to work with, and then start building their game without going back and forth all the time.
I hate the graphics they are last gen. I may trade this game in for burnout