They Built a PC Using PS4 Pro Specs. How Does it Perform?

An in-depth walkthrough of how Gamespot built and benchmarked a PS4 Pro-inspired PC.

[UltraNova]

Those fps counts GS recorded are not even close to Pro's abilities. And I dont say that in a good way. The Jaquar cores used in the ps4 are significantly less capable than the AMD FX 8000 series they have used and its the main bottleneck hindering the Pro's fps outpout(and OG ps4), even at the reported 2.2Gh OC.

So i expect even less fps on the Pro unless the devs doing the work on the Pro put down the time and effort to fully optimize for it... but lets face it Sony is the only one who is going to bother to that extent.

That said, I might be proven wrong come November, lets see.

[freshslicepizza]

The GPU they used to compare appears to be able to more than the GPU on the PS4 Pro. If you look at performance on Rise of Tomb Raider the RX 480 can have very high effects turned on and still get 60fos . On the PS4 Pro the effects are turned down to achieve those high frame rates.

Digital Foundry well be a good source for how Pro handles games but it is a bit of a shame if the PS4 Pro still struggles getting the best option of 1080p and the highh frame rates. I don't expect 4k native gaming on most games and that's ok. But if Sony really wanted to compete with the PC I don't see it.

Makes you wonder what is the point if Sony was more concerned about price then why bother?

[NewMonday]

they are using a 5.8 GPU so if you claim they are accurate then Scorpio is in trouble.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"The GPU they used to compare appears to be able to more than the GPU on the PS4 Pro"

Except you actually can't directly compare a dedicated GPU to a GPU on a console that's directly on the actual metal.

[badz149]

I knew this would happen. and from now on, we are gonna see conparisons between the Pro and a Scorpio "equivalent" PC until next year when the Scorpio is actually out.

what else they gonna do, right? the Xbone versions were almost 100% performed lower than the original PS4 already. so how are they gonna stir up controversy and attract clicks other than compare the Pro to their 6TF PC, right?

[trainsgofast]

6TF is good for Scorpio it's GPU is not GCN 4.0, with VEGA it's GCN 5.0. So 6TF is not the same as in GCN 4.0.

"FLOPS can be used as a rough stand-in for gaming performance only within the same architecture.Eurogamer thinks that the next-generation Scorpius uses AMD’s Vega, and Vega is a complete departure from previous the previous GCN uarch. "

http://www.extremetech.com/...

[Kleptic]

@EDMIX

You worded that to make it sound like you can't compare discrete GPU's to APU's, and even went as far as sort of saying apu's are 'better' as they're on the 'actual metal'...Where the actual gpu is within the hardware has absolutely nothing to do with it....AMD has come a long way with APU's recently, but in general, they're still far behind the performance capabilities of even mid range discrete gpu's...

With that; the current PS4 and Xbox One used off the shelf low TDP jaguar core'd apu's with only minor custom tweaks...of which was an apu line that never got going with laptops and X86 tablets like the surface series (primarily what they were designed for)...Pro uses an apu with the same cpu architecture (slightly OC'd), but an all new gpu component in the form of the Polaris series....a FAR more capable gpu platform than the 7800 based current PS4 gpu. PC has that gpu platform available in discrete form...they're...100% directly comparable...

It's the api's used for the PC tests that will paint the relevant picture...If it was not vulkan or DX12 with Async compute...then it's not a comparison worth looking at; DX11.x can't hold a candle to the PS4 and PS4 Pro api as far as making the hardware sing...

but with the newer api's on PC...the single advantage consoles enjoyed for decades (getting more out of lesser hardware)...is becoming extremely reduced...

[GameNameFame]

@trainsgofast

A. There is no confirmation of Vega on Scorpio.
B. No dev is going to make a separate engine for Scorpio. Only engine they will make is for GCN 4 so it can run both X1 and Scorpio both.

[DivineAssault]

Your right about digital foundry showing what the pro does.. However comparing it to a PC wont give anyone the correct answer because sony is using console specific techniques to make the games look nice on 4K TVs.. I wish people would do a little more research than looking at opinion articles on this site.. Anyway, its still going to be a good machine but unless you have a 4K TV, and want PSVR, there isnt much of a reason to buy the pro.. Its for console junkies like myself that want the best possible picture/performance out of their machines.. PC is a whole different topic because the games arent modified to run a specific way for a proprietary build.

[kneon]

But the fact that they are using separate CPU and GPU means that they aren't really comparing apples to apples.

Having both the CPU and GPU on the same die offers some significant performance advantages. The other aspect that they overlook is that the unified memory pool also provides significant performance gains.

Basically you can't build a PC to PS4 specs because such an APU isn't available for PC.

[Kleptic]

Kneon...

They 'can't' build a PC to PS4 pro specs because a desktop APU doesn't exist?...not exactly...

The PS4's jaguar cores would be terrible at a desktop OS in any sense of performance (well, in fact, they pretty much were, and is why the line never took off at all)...their IPC figures are abysmal...The problem with desktop APU's is that they generally need more 'real' cpu cores in order to maintain acceptable performance at typical desktop related tasks, and those 'real' cores are far bigger than what is currently in the PS4...and in the Pro....Bigger cpu cores cause less room for the gpu side of the SoC, and makes heat a bigger issue as well. This is primarily why the bulldozer based APU's for desktops have had very minimal upgrades to the gpu side...

but anyway...no idea where this apu stuff is coming from...APU's do NOT have a performance advantage because of the gpu and cpu being on the same chip...In many cases, it causes additional issues with memory (where as cpu architectures still work better with tighter timings/lower latency of ddr3 or 4, and gpu's better with higher bandwidth and I/O freedom of ddr5, etc....it's an issue with apu's sharing system memory), and DRASTICALLY increases heat management issues...

This armchair console input on gaming hardware is to be expected, i guess. Integrated graphics solutions have been around for a very long time... and not until they were plopped in a console...did people start acting like it's a 'better' option...A modern main board with proper PCI slots, memory controllers, etc...with a dedicated cpu and a discrete gpu...leaves FAR more room for heat management, power input, and therefor performance...The apu's of the consoles were 100% in effort to keep costs lower, manufacturing simpler, and form factor small...in no way some trick to get an advantage over the more traditional separated configurations...

[Corpser]

how much would games on pro be "code to the metal" when the same game needs to run on ps4 standard? who knows how much effort developers are going to put in optimizing the pro mode

[S2Killinit]

Thats what stuck out for me as well.

[Aenea]

People also say that about the Scorpio, that 6TF will be enough since, you know, console optimisations. But this is coming from the same people who argue that it's not a problem to add Pro/Scorpio into the mix for devs since those devs are already used in scaling for Windows, totally forgetting that on Windows there's not the same optimisation...

[fr0sty]

There's a big difference between having to have your game run smoothly on 2 hardware configurations vs. 200... especially when both systems use the same brand CPU/GPU and the same RAM.

[Null]

@Aenea ,
For all we know the PS4 pro and Xbox Scorpio is using the same exact ship clock at different settings. The PS4 Pro is currently using an RX 480 that is down clocked to 900 MHz and I'm going to guess that's for heat and power reasons. The Xbox one could potentially be using the same exact graphics chip because RX 480 clocked at 1310 MHz puts out exactly 6 Tflop of power. I have an RX 480 in my PC and as of right now and according to AMD, for the early parts of 2017, that's going to be the strongest graphics chip they will have. Sony could also raise the megahertz though a software update.. assuming the PS4 pro' s large size is due to a heat sink And cooling.

[yeahokwhatever]

Scorpio's 6TF is going to feel more like 6TF on a PC than 6TF on a console, given the OS it will be running. The ps4 isnt running anything like windows, and thus will be able to get more, pound for pound. That said, the difference SHOULD make the scorpio more powerful overall, but nowhere near night and day. Remember, no games are being made for PS4 Pro that ONLY run on PS4 Pro. The games are still built FOR PS4.

[SirBradders]

Remember how they designed the og ps4 in which the CPU can offload to the Gpu, correct me if I'm wrong I'm no expert but I'm sure that's how it was designed. In hindsight the CPU being crap is still somewhat restricting.

[yeahokwhatever]

You're right. Most of the things people in the past accomplished with the CPU are now being offloaded to the insanely fast GPUs(physics, collision, etc).

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

Pretty much. That CPU they are using is way too powerful, don't expect this comparison to be very close to reality.The CPU in the PS4 is only 1/4 compared to that and the GPU they are using a slightly more powerful too.

[Ysmir6723]

And this amd cpu is weak to an i5.

@NotEvenMyFinalForm i would say definately slower than my old q9650 3,5 ghz.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

@Ysmir6723

The CPU in the PS4 is even weaker than an i3 using the super old Sandy Bridge microarchitecture. It has been proven time and time again by Digital Foundry.

[threefootwang]

I stopped reading after I saw that. I've got an FX 8350 in my rig, it's factory set at 4.0Ghz and factory OC's to 4.2 Ghz. The 2.2ghz speed in the Pro doesn't even come close. Cant believe that's what they used lmao

[Angeljuice]

The original PlayStation had 2 Mb RAM.. At that time it would have been impossible to even switch on a PC with anything less than 128 Mb.

You cannot compare the two systems like for like.

[Captain_Tom]

Completely wrong. The Jaguar architecture is actually better than the FX 8000 line at the same clockspeeds.

The Bulldozer family is garbage, and what they did was actually an underestimate of the PS4's CPU performance.

[threefootwang]

LMFAO

If that's what you need to get by then by all means keep telling yourself that.

Man that's one of the funniest things I've read online today.

[DarXyde]

Keep in mind that any console to PC comparison by part matching is difficult.

Console games are specifically optimized. I'd argue that, even if you got the exact same parts, the PS4 version would come out with better performance for the simple fact that console games are optimized for specific hardware. PC, not so much. There's plenty of variability.

[starchild]

The console will be somewhat more efficient and perform somewhat better than what its hardware would suggest, but this general truth tends to get exaggerated to a ridiculous degree.

This has been proven over and over by PC builds like the 'potato masher' and builds from Digital Foundry which beat the consoles in real world graphics and performance metrics despite not being significantly more powerful.

[Deeke]

I don't see how this is getting downvoted, it's 100% true. The Jaguar CPU bottlenecks the Polaris GPU to the point where AMD had to scale down the GPU even more than they should have.

In SoC or APU form, Polaris GPUs were specifically designed to be complemented by AMD's upcoming Zen CPU architecture. So Polaris + an outdated and underwhelming CPU like the PS4's 8-core Jaguar will cause bottlenecking, regardless of the 2.1GHz overclock.

Developers will also have to make sacrifices in performance because of the outdated Jaguar CPU. Hell, Rise of the Tomb Raider can't even hit rock-solid native 1080p 60FPS because of the CPU bottlenecks.

Expect to see more and more games have to shave off features to compensate for the Jaguar CPU's janky hardware.

[meche334]

People are disagreeing with it but its facts. Truth hurts i guess. Its gonna have better fps and stuff than the OG but that gpu is not gonna be fully used to its top notch potential

[Angeljuice]

Did they optimise the code for those specific components? No !

That will more than make up for any minor disparities in hardware.

[uth11]

Games don't get optimized well in PC world. Too many possible configurations. Developer attitude is if game doesn't run well, they can just buy new hardware.

With consoles developers are forced to squeeze as much performance out of them as possible.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed.

developers are forced to essentially create something on an equal playing field with their competitors , there's not a simple solution such as well just purchase a better CPU or GPU or add more RAM or anything like that.

[Corpser]

Except now we don't have 1 console for de vs to optimize games for, now we have pro and standard . Hey don't like our game's performance on standard? Go buy a pro

[nitus10]

Any developer that adopts the attitude of "Hey don't like our game's performance on standard? Go buy a pro" is IMHO arrogant and at the very least has a poor business sense.

Say as an example you are the developer of a particular game and you have a target potential of say 45 million PS4's and say 5 million PS4pro's. Do you think that the developer of said game would be stupid enough to say something like recommending the PS4pro over the PS4. It would be even worse developing a PC game for high-end PC's only stating that we won't support medium end PC's (where the real money is BTW).

[Nathan_Hale53]

They get optimized fine. That is such BS. I hear this argument all the time and it simply isn't true. At times the devs are lazy and release a game and it runs poorly, but it almost always gets fixed. NMS, despite the game being trash, was fixed quickly and the Dark Knight was fixed, although it took awhile. Most times, it releases perfectly fine. Lesser theoretically performing cards out perform the current PS4 and One. The 750 ti paired with an i3 outperforms the consoles and the 750 ti has a theoretical performance of 1.3 TF. You act like the GPU companies don't optimize their own hardware, which they totally do. Nvidia is like console level when it comes to releasing quick patches and optimizations and AMD isn't to far behind either.

[Loktai]

the 750ti at 1.3tf... would have to be paired with a 0.5tf CPU to be comparable to a ps4.... the ps4 is 1.8tf, in total meaning CPU and you total. not just it's gpu.

[Nathan_Hale53]

No, that isn't how it works. TF is raw GPU performance.

[maybelovehate]

Maybe not always. But games like Witcher 3 run circles around their console counterparts. Same with BF4 where I can get triple the frame rates while running a higher resolution.

[kevnb]

thats at least partially a myth, mostly comes from last gen when pc gamers were running 1080p and comparing performance to consoles running 720p and lower.

[Loktai]

no it doesn't it comes from the last 20 years of PC and console gaming. a ps2 was 300mhz, with like 32mb of memory, the ps1 was 25mhz and had 3d acceleration that took a PC many times more powerful to compete ... it's not a myth. look at PC ports of console games for instance where the game was developed with certain hardware in mind. build a PC with 2005-2006 hardware and try to run a game that looks like uncharted 3... or the last of us. Games in a consoles lifespan usually look better and better because devs. learn the hardware. PC tends to leave the old hardware behind. many smaller gsmes, big mass market games like WOW, and such will run pm VERY old PC hardware but almost always you'll find that the dev. did not sit there and optimize a mode that will get the most possible out of 3-5 year old PC hardware at the expense of lower peak performance on newer hardware. they will program for what people have, to be playable, and they program to take advantage on some level of the newest hardware features, but they do not optimize for specific, aging GPUs. this is why some PC enthusiasts get pissed when games lead platform is a console.

random OLD example of console optimization. the dream cast ran most games at 480, 480p with a VGA box. take grandia 2. the dream cast was 200mhz, 16mb sys and 8mb video memory. ...

if I get the PC version from like 2001, or whatever... it runs like crap on any resolution but especially funny since I have a 550mhz, 32mb video 256m b sys men PC built in . 1999... it cost me a lot at the time. the dream cast was 200mhz and a couple hundred bucks. it held its own with PCS twice as fast... or three times even. it wasn't only because they ran a RISC cpu, the gpu was a pvrg2, which was also available on Pc, and was much weaker than the g400 max my PC has. And much worse memory , and less of it by like 10x.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

probably not as good. consoles run customized APIs and silicon so they can be extremely efficient and closer to the metal since the hardware is always the same (similar to why iPhones always run silky smooth). This lets them squeeze every ounce of power out of them.

edit: this this not to say that PCs can't be better - Im just simply stating if you took the same hardware off the shelf for a pc it would not run as efficiently - 4.2 tflops of gpu probably goes a bit further on ps4 pro. That said, you could get a PC up to 12 tflops and it will smoke a ps4 pro and an xb1 scorpio

[Ysmir6723]

or 19 with sli 1080s oc.

[kevnb]

its actually pretty close, other than that cpu overhead. Thats how consoles can get away with jaguar cores running at slow speeds.

[starchild]

Yep, a lot of people don't understand this. On the GPU side in terms of things like fillrate and rasterization you're basically going to get what you're going to get. The less abstraction in console APIs and such mainly affects the CPU side of things. The consoles have very weak CPUs, while most PCs have very powerful CPUs in comparison. This negates a lot of the advantage these consoles otherwise would have had. Real world benchmarks of budget PCs compared to consoles bear this out.

[GamingTruth]

Well with the fact that im not seeing anything on any settings of what im seeing on my 1.8 tflop ps4 normal being smoked by any pc, sony with the money it would cost to build a 12 tflop platform would destroy pc for several years to come.

[Movefasta1993]

'GamingLies'

[TheOptimist]

Gamespot doing this? There is a huge console bias. Steer clear. We know what they did with Overwatch.

[Ravenor]

PC people, they arent defensive at all. Specs on a console dont relate directly 1:1 with pc hardware.

[TheOptimist]

And yet they used an FX-8350, instead of which they should have used some 4th gen i5 which would have been enough to demolish the FX-8350. And seriously, they had a budget of 630$? That's ridiculous for the config. On my own, I could build a 500-550$ similar performing PC. This is just very misleading. PS4-similar PC, nowhere near 630$. At max 550$, that's all.

[Nathan_Hale53]

They used an AMD processor because that is what the PS4 uses. I could build using a cheaper 8 core AMD CPU and an RX 470 performs better than the PS4 pro in theoretical performance at 5 Tflops. A 480 is a bit overkill.

[Psychotica]

That's the glory of the PC, I can get the best hardware I can afford not just what they hand to me in a box..

[Red_Renegade]

you buy a console for the exclusives you can only play on what's in the box.

[yeahokwhatever]

I buy consoles for the lack of online "hacking"(cheating) and for the fact that I haven't dedicated my life to video games. It makes no financial sense to me, a grown-ass adult, to blow thousands of dollars every couple of years on "a new rig" in order to stay a length ahead in the dick measuring contest of nerds. And don't try to feed be n00b statements like "you can upgrade just the GPU". To that I say, STFU. Its never worked like that in the past, and it never will. GPU interfaces change every number of years, same with RAM types and CPU socket types. When its time to upgrade your GPU, its time to upgrade your entire machine.

[nitus10]

@yeahokwhatever

I do have a high-end PC however I am not a PC gamer. I have the best of all worlds in that I have my PS4 (can also do this with my PS3 as well) connected to my spare HDMI port on my IPS monitor and I can toggle between PC and PS4 in seconds depending on what I want to do.

The problem you find with PC's is the fact that many people go cheap initially and then they find that they have to upgrade to keep up with the latest games. It would have been more cost effective to get the best when they first got a PC and when I say that I don't mean go and buy a brand name PC based on hype. Building your own may cost slightly more but at least you get what you want. of course, you do really need to know what you want (there are lots of web sites that can help) and going "cheap" is not the best way to go.

if you are not into PC gaming which I am not you can just use your motherboard's video graphics if supported. I have a Skylake motherboard with onboard graphics so I put most of my PC cost into the processor (Core i7) and 16GB of DDR4 which will maybe be obsolete in about 10 years or more. Sure I could have purchased a high-end graphics card but why would I bother since I would never use it properly.

All up my PC consumes about 40W (my monitor consumes 20W on top of that) when doing simple tasks like web surfing and an additional 5W to 10 W when watching a video. If I am doing photo editing (video editing can really hammer the system though) and office work I hardly notice any increase over 40W. I should also mention that I don't run a Microsoft operating system.

My only recommendation to console and even PC gamers is to consider getting a decent 4K monitor of at least 27" in size that will support HDR10 (what the PS4 and XBslim support) which has at least a one HDMI Port (two preferably) and if possible optical out. Obviously, do your homework and don't cheap out if you get a better deal for a $100 more.

Many readers on this site think they need to get a 4K TV for their gaming needs but IMHO this is the wrong thinking process. As an example say your household gets a new 4K TV then you really do have to ask the question who is going to use this TV and what for. Great if you are the only one but two or more in the household will definitely lead to conflicts, hence my recommendation for the gamer to consider a 4K monitor.

[TC731]

"omfg i can play uncharted 4 with a ps4! it's an exclusive!"

*disregards the literally thousands of more games on Steam than PS4*

[blawren4]

Yet the same game can be played and the same amount of fun for a fraction of the cost. The glory of the PC is paying more for extremely diminished returns. No thanks

[Psychotica]

Since pc's are used for non entertainment things as well they are the better buy.

[TheOptimist]

Forget the multi-utility. These guys haven't seen 60 fps, so well, they speak without experience. Rather not argue with them.

[GamingTruth]

so i can play god of war and horizon zero dawn on pc, also uncharted 4?

[yeahokwhatever]

You can buy a 200$ machine that you can basically accomplish every non-gaming related task with ease, unless you're someone who needs to edit lots of video or audio. Also, in case you haven't heard yet, the year is in fact 2016. We have these magical computers living in most of our pockets that can literally accomplish every non-gaming related task regularly encountered. Tell me, when someone says "hey I sent you a link on FB" do you pull out your phone, or go home, boot your PC, and look that shit up?

[nitus10]

Well having both PC and console is the better way to enjoy gaming.

What is really the most important in having a PC and console is the monitor and the ease of switching between them (mine toggles in about 2 to 3 seconds). It also best to select a monitor that is comfortable on the eyes to use. Some people would say that for a monitor the bigger or the highest resolution the better. It's more complicated than that and this is why you should always do your research and don't be swayed by hype.

[Tzuno]

The article is a mess, where are the graphical tabs with fps and temps and power, pff info is all over the place thrown.

[gangsta_red]

They built this city on Rock n Roll.

[Trekster_Gamer]

They built a PC using PS4 Pro specs and then tried to load up every single exclusive to the PS4 and sadly none of them would run...

[thisismyaccount]

"While we tried to recreate the PS4 Pro environment as faithfully as we could, we want to reiterate that our experiment isn’t likely to be precisely indicative of the PS4 Pro’s true performance."

PS4 Pro for $399 and close to true 4k reso. (checkerboard rendering)

versus

A pc for $630 bucks and without any OS or any input controller your pc is worth shaite. Real cost would be around $700 to 750. Come back with a full fledged pc for $399 (case, psu, cpu, ram, gpu, hdd, controller, OS) and then lets see if said pc can do any 4K or close to 4k ;=)

Someone already has archived it 24h ago (dont give them any more clicks, its shaitey and every pc gamer knows better what to buy or whom to listen. An FX8350 in the year 2016?! Even as an AMD fan myself, i could not recommend this to anyone. For proper 4K on the PC you need to invest a lot more)

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At NotEvenmyfinal form

Since when does the Price factor not matter anymore?! If that were the case, the PS3 would have sold twice as much during its infancy. The PRICE is the ultimate answer, you like it or not and it´s certainly not "going off a tangent" here for 99% of the people on this planet, the price is the most important factor in their purchases.

How can you claim, that the price does not matter and it´s mroe about the performance between the two? IF that were the case, why didnt they put a 980Ti or even a Titan, if performance was their main goal/stat. They didnt, they tried to build one with similar specs and they ended up paying $250 more for it.

Why should we be neglecting the price at the end of our "objective" criticism/comparison? It´s just impossible to get a PC running games at true 4K (some even at 60fps like Fifa, NBA) and most at 3200 by 1800p or even at 1440p 60fps with Supersampling like TF2 for $399, this article and others of the same ilk are the evidence.

These type of article only hurt the PC gamer, telling some that they can get a PS4 slim like PC for $299 and play all the games for 5 years to come. For serious PC gaming your first investment has to be over $1000, else ya gonna upgrade your gpu every 2 years or so.

I´m still happy with my 280x OC Edition, can play anything (not at ultra, but i dont give a wet fukc about ultra settings anyway. the gpu is from 2013? and based on the best chip in years the Radeon 7970 Ghz. launched around 2011!!!)

PRICE is the ultimate answer, no matter HOW strong and sexy the PS5 will be .. if the console is costly, nobody´s gonna get it. That simple ...

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

You're going off a tangent dude.

The point of the article is not comparing ratios between price and performance but how games would look running on a Pro.

But their build has a much stronger CPU and a slightly stronger GPU too, so it is pointless.

[kevnb]

the thing is im sure you buy a pc every now and then anyway, probably for atleast $500.

[MetalNCarnet]

All this means is that the PS4 is a way more efficient machine than a PC with similar specs (We have known this since the PS2 era). Just look at Uncharted 4 running on a machine that only has 1.84 teraflops of GPU power. The Pro will have DOUBLE that. Oh the possibilities (looking at you last of us 2).

I mainly use my PC to game (GTX 1080, 4.4ghz core i7 cpu, 16GB RAM, 500gb SSD). I get to see all the pretties there. I use my PS4 to play exclusives. I used to have a xbox one, but since all future exclusives will be PC as well, I no longer need one.

[TheOptimist]

There is a difference between price and specs. Do not confuse them.

[MetalNCarnet]

Price doesn't mean much to me. I got money.

[kevnb]

the pc performed quite well actually, and a 480 isnt even all that expensive. Uncharted 4 looks so good because of the artists mostly, its not really technically amazing... but the artists did a fantastic job with what they had and put a lot of work into things like animations. I mean everywhere you look in uncharted 4 has something that interesting to see, games more technically advanced often have nothing interesting to look at (crysis 3).

[JaXion5]

People still do this? lol

[deathtok]

Tough to do a comparison like this... the game builds don't compare too easily because of the different libraries and optimizations applied.

PC games have to be massively compatible with different hardware configurations unlike consoles.

I'm excited as everyone else to see what PS4 Pro can do but I'm skeptical that we'll find out via this method.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

This thread is just full of speculation and most notably a lot of back and forth "It can't do that, yes it can, no it can't, then neither can that one, says who..." comments. It amazes me how many experts we have visiting N4G on all sides of the console wars coin.

I say...lets wait for actual hands on with the hardware from these sites before we cast an opinion in any direction. That will after all be definitive proof one way or the other.

[Mrveryodd]

Now build one for the same price and then see.

[DivineAssault]

Sony is using tricks to get the 4k look on games, the FPS will remain the same as regular PS4 games.. The pro is only to make the resolution look better, run games a little smoother, and for a more slick VR experience.. It wont run native 4K on AAA titles.. Its going to be a better build than current PS4 consoles, but will run the same exact games with no exclusives for it alone.. Scorpio will be the same way.. Nothing will be exclusive to the advanced machines.. However, scorpio MIGHT run native 4K games if pulled off correctly.. Im buying the pro because i have a 4K TV and plan to get the PSVR.. Im not expecting it to be a next gen console or anything though.. Scorpio too if MS decides to make exclusives I personally am interested in.. So far, i dont want anything they have other than maybe 2 games.. Dont want gears or halo games in the slightest.. It will be a nice 4K bluray player that gets some cool indies and a few games i want.. If scorpio plays 3rd party better (which it should) ill get those on it too if the price is right.. People, look at digital foundry on youtube and see how the pro performs from professionals.. It will explain what the pro is and how it makes games look on 4K TVs.. This debate comparing it to how a PC performs wont give you a proper explanation on how it looks/runs..

[SmokingMonkey]

Doesn't play Horizon, TLOU,God of War, Dreams etc.

Give me the Playstation.

[Movefasta1993]

There's PS NOW on pc mr fish cake.You can play god of war and tlou on it. ANd the rest of ps3's library on it.

[opinionated]

How does it perform playing Sony games? It doesn't...

[nitus10]

I am a PS3/PS4 gamer and have been for years. I also have a high-end PC which I don't use for gaming, hence I don't have a powerful graphics card.

IMHO the article was very fair and in many ways praised the PS4pro potential specs.

[FlyingFoxy]

Digital Foundry said ROTTR ran between 40-60 fps in their hands on PS4 Pro video, they said something about a CPU bottleneck, but it dipped to 40fps minimum. GPU's on PC don't dip that low not even the old R9 290x if you look at benchmarks running 1080p maxed which is what the game was tested at on the PS4 Pro.

Consoles do indeed have better optimisation because of being a more closed system, but in reality it doesn't make a large difference because if you had a PC GPU 10-20% more powerful than that then it's still going to show. And it doesn't cost a lot more to get a much more powerful one like a 980Ti or GTX 1070.

[MasterCornholio]

Sounds like the best option is to just lock the FPS at 30. Which is an option with the Pro.

[kevnb]

they already mentioned most of these games aren't native 4k, I guess gamespot missed that somehow? anyway, im impressed with the rx 480 considering its price.

[ninjahunter]

Pretty solid build it's in that sweet spot for 1080p/60 gaming. For a few extra bucks you can get an i5/970 variant which is probably worth it for the consistency in performance between games. Not sure what Sony was smoking about that 4k gaming nonsense though, they aren't even pushing half the numbers it takes to get a "real" game running at 4k properly.

[jmac53]

$400 for $630 worth of comparable components is pretty good.

[nitus10]

What is even better is the article also mentioned to their credit that they did not factor in the cost of the OS which would probably add an additional $50 (OEM prices) upwards. Yes I do know that Windows 10 is free if you already have a Windows 7 or 8 license.

I definitely do agree that $400 (also includes HDMI 2.0a plus cable) is pretty good value for money.

[Mithan]

These are articles are stupid and accomplish nothing.

[spoonard]

The level of willful ignorance in this post is...not surprising.

[jmc8888]

The article makes many mistakes. The author of the article could of easily done more to match the reported specs, but didn't. Kind of amateurish.

He should of gone into his bios and underclocked the processor to 2.2GHZ. The FX8350 runs at 4.0ghz.

The PS4 Pro's GPU has been rumored to be an underclocked version of a RX480, down to 911 mhz. That's another thing he could do to make it more accurate.

He also made mistakes by turning on stuff like SSAA at 4k. Simply shouldn't be used in a benchmark analysis of PS4 Pro.

He also should of noted that Mordor is a 2 year old game, and that while getting better performance from old games is nice, the point of buying a console is mostly important to what comes ahead.

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided is a much more accurate representation of how games will play in the next 2-3 years, as the ones coming out are as much or more demanding.

If the article did that, you'd roughly find out the raw power of the PS4 Pro. This is the most important number, because this is closer to the real world performance for the majority of games.

Sure some games will get coded to the metal, but the vast, vast, vast majority won't. The simple fact is very few games ever get this sort of love and treatment. It's also a fact that the overhead on PC's, especially with DX12 is far less then it used to be, and consoles hold back a much higher percentage of resources then PC's do. A PC doesn't hold back a couple of cores when you play the game. It doesn't hold back 2.5 GB's of 8 of a GPU either. Plus the background processes of a console are utilizing what is reserved. This isn't 15-25 years ago. The situation is much different now.

[Negativecool]

They put an apple in an orange. How much does it taste like an orange? I fixed the title for you.

[DoubleM70]

Waste fo time The Pro is going to run better than that PC. Did they mention all the system resources in a PC? The Pro will be a dedicated gaming machine.

[zb1ftw777]

The xb1 apparently is rocking a 10 year old pc graphics card.

Yet Forza Horizons 3 beats the shit out of any PC driving game i have ever seen.

In short, PC comparisons are entirely and utterly useless.

[Movefasta1993]

Horizon 3 is on pc lol but i get you.

[NextGenCeo]

When some kind of smart peoples build a PC with 399$ and get better performance FPS and resolation than PS4 Pro so i can say they are right!
When some poeple build a PC with 299$ and get better performance FPS and resolation than PS4 Slim model so i can say they are right and make sense!

Until then those argument or news just for garbage bin...

(ESL guy here sorry for English)

[nRicosS]

Next article should be
"Built PC using PS4 Pro price"
Interesting to see, head to head performance

[discmach]

Ignoring the optimization angle - Windows 10 doesn't exactly have a low overhead. That'd be using a fair bit of resources in the background.

[glenisahat]

Kinda cool a story I submitted made the front page!
Personally, I'm not gonna get the PS PRO. It seems too much in limbo -- not TRUE 4K and not able to fully utilize it's power due to developers. Seems very middling to me and not worth the money.

[Deeke]

100% misleading and irresponsible information here. Desktop video cards DO NOT ever equal the GPUs in consoles. You can't build a PC with console specs; consoles use highly customized, scaled-down hardware that's specifically designed for that console.

This kind of comparison needs to stop. You can't slap in a RX 470 into a PC, run some benchmarks at 4K/1080p, and think that's how the PS4 Pro is going to perform. Also, the PS4 Pro does NOT use an RX 480; the hardware is closer to a scaled down Radeon RX 470, but the PS4 Pro's GPU will NOT hit the same performance as a desktop grade RX 470. I still can't believe sites are saying the PS4 Pro "uses an RX 480 equivalent GPU"...it's just embarrassing.

This is extremely misleading, irresponsible, and GameStop/Eurogamer and everyone else needs to quit doing this kind of thing. This will just confuse console gamers in the long run and build up even more hype, leading to huge disappointment when the PS4 Pro ships.

[FreakyFox]

How can you build a PC to that of a console which has a custom chipset?

Totally disregarding the word CUSTOM like it means nothing to them a still believe that they are comparable.... they are not.

[jznrpg]

Keep on hating on the PS4Pro , I will be playing it really soon! Less than 2 months!!!! Anybody know if TLG has a Pro mode? Not that it will change my purchase of it just wondering.I have Horizon, TLG , Persona5 , Mass Effect and a couple others preordered through amazon they give 20% off games if you do and even 20% on collectors editions . And the PS4Pro of course-Some games I will take the 60fps and some the 4k, onstead of buyomg the slim like every gen I would rather buy an upgrade so this is perfect for me. Can't wait

[mastershredder]

Again, the pseudo product enegineers swinging their mouths again. It's like those "know it alls" at a car show meet up. No grasp on architecture, reasoing/logic....just horse power. Sigh. This will a fun thread to watch.