IGN: Questioning Sony's 'Welcome Back' Program

IGN: "Sony's plan is easy enough to comprehend. This week, Sony will bring a limited version of the PSN back up, allowing gamers to finally login, play games online, access their friends list, and more. Most notably, however, is that the PSN won't yet accommodate the PlayStation Store, which is the single aspect many gamers on the PSN (like myself) miss the most. Additionally, Sony intends on paying customers back for their trouble with yet-to-be-determined free "PlayStation entertainment content" (presumably games or movies) and a month of free PlayStation Plus for both PS+ subscribers and free users alike.

So the fundamental question that arises now is simple: Are we as PlayStation 3 gamers getting what we deserve? "

[LOGICWINS]

"It's just that by giving PlayStation Plus to everyone, there's no differentiation between those of us who were into the PSN experience enough to pay for some added services as opposed to a vast majority of PSN users who opted not to. Gamers who paid for a service they were not able to access are getting the same treatment as those who never paid to begin with. That's an unsound way to deal with what, in essence, amounts to PS3's most loyal fanbase."

You get an additional free month if ur already a PS Plus member. This is a GOOD thing. The reason that EVERYONE is getting a month of PS Plus for free is because PSN was down for EVERYONE. Don't worry, once the month is up...you can go back to "paying" for PS Plus and retaining your elitist PS Plus status.

Lets be real here. The only reason your complaining is because you don't like the fact that more people may be joining PS Plus now and you no longer feel "special." Thats sounds extremely childish to me.

[Motorola]

I see your point. Id also like to add that the "revenue" they will be making off of new customers to PS plus, might not be that much. If PSN has alot of dupe accounts, you can automatically knock those off the list of new PS plus users. However when you take what makes PSN stand out (being free) into consideration, not many people will buy it. The people who want Plus PROBABLY already have it.

[pixelsword]

Ignorant, IGN.

*leaves thread*

[artynerd]

Only Sony could turn the most massive online security breach into an advertisement for a paid online subscription service and not have their fan base cry foul.

Sony is like "Hey, remember that free online gaming service we screwed up so horribly... wanna start paying for it now?"

They screw up and their customers lose twice over. If I didn't despise Sony fanboys so much, I would probably feel sorry for them.

Enjoy!

[jke82]

i just got an email from best buy saying their database with email addresses and names and regular addresses with phone numbers was comprimised (ill post an image on a reply once im done at work) they arent giveing me any free best buy merchadise, no free anything, just an email saying sorry...

now at least with psn haveing lost the same info im getting free merch from the psn store and a free month subscription for a paid service...yah im not seeing how im getting screwed if any thing best buy stuck it in deep on me but thats it.......

[Hawth0rne]

to artynerd

sony is not asking people to start paying for there psn service. You can either continue useing the normal psn or go to plus and get the extras they have for those users. The whole point of what there doing is just to give something back to the users for there downtime.

[Army_of_Darkness]

What the hell are you crying about?!?!
Sony messed up, apologized, improving their security system and giving us all free stuff for they're downtime!
I don't see anything telling me to pay for anything extra?! If i do, its optional after my free month is up. You know like when you download free demos, then wanna play the whole game cause you like it so you'd end up buying it later;-)
why don't you get upset like that with developers advertising their demo to you?!

[Treyb3yond]

Ahhh artynerd, the typical Sony hating nerd. People can't love a company which they find gives them the entertainment they want with a system which serves their tastes??

Well cry me a river. Oh you "despise" Sony fans? Ohh you poor, pale, sensitive little wretch. You probably even praise all these f*cking little idiots who think they're in the V for vendetta film.

Cry more you wimp. Cry.

[showtimefolks]

and i stopped caring about ign a while ago for their hate articles to get hits against both xbox360/ps3

[Morgue]

Like I've always said. IGN is short for IGNorant.

[DWOM]

true words my man!

[H8GRIP]

IGN, IGNiting flame wars again... Typical

[ssj2gohan83]

@Solderone

Look no further than MS/Nokia deal. When MS gave Nokia 1 billion dollars to develop and distribute phones for Windows Mobile 7 and to drop development for their upcoming Maemo and Android platforms. If MS did this in the mobile phone market. Who knows what kind of payout MS has done in others to prevent or hinder competition.

http://www.geekwithlaptop.c...

[HolyOrangeCows]

IGN: Your source for all tabloid gaming news and FOX news investigations.

[-Ikon-]

When I wanna c.b.s ( see bull s*** ) I turn on channel 2, I mean IGN!

[Undeadwolfy]

Hahahaha I'm so using that one!

[DanteKnightsTemplar]

Very well put, LOGICWINS. people need to grow up.

[miyamoto]

thanks for quoting them & saving our precious time & giving that site their desired hits.

Having the PSN up & running is good enough!

And you bet we PSN users are going to hoard all the freebies we can get from PSN Plus after the two week drought!

[Ares84]

Yet, you haven't paid a penny for PSplus ever in your life and you demand to get that from Sony because you can't access a free service for two weeks.

Did you know that we (PSplus) users can't access our accounts for two weeks that we have PAID for.

And you are crying and demanding??? GTFO dude! And all who think this is fair!

[Reefskye]

@Ares84

you haven't paid for your account you paid for PSN plus, your account was free, you paid for an upgrade.

[Ju]

BTW: All the hoarding doesn't help you, because it expires with the PSN+ subscription. So, either pay after that month, or loose all games you got for free through + (or buy the games). Still, you can get all Full games trials for free and play them all, and you can get all the games and try those for free.

[Hawth0rne]

@ Ares84

i read this comment and no where on there did i see that there was a demand for sony to give plus to us non plus users.

[snaz27]

logicwins.... Well i think your logic fails! I've paid for ps+, not to be elitest but because i liked the deal! Now i've not been able to use the benefits of this deal! So the time i missed should be given back! Simple! And then on top i should get the free month everyone else is getting! What the fuck is so hard to understand about that? The amount of agrees you got just reduces my faith in the human race! It's like a tv service, say you got the minimum package, you pay 10 pounds a month, i got the extra large, cos i like those programmes! I pay 50 pounds a month!... The antenna gets hit or something and tv is down... They come back later and offer everyone the same deal, a month free extra large! Now how is that fair exactly? Please do enlighten me! You know what fuck sony! I'll be avoiding their products like the plague next time round!

[Ares84]

You will get more disagrees than agrees because there are more regular PSN members than PSplus members and they all think they should be treated the same. It's like a mob really.

EDIT: @Below

No, I'm not done with Sony at all. I just think that this is absolutely unfair! That's all.

[Dee_91]

so u want a extra 2 weeks for psn+ members .. thats understandable
but Me personally dont think normal users should get psn+ if sony was a western corp we probably wouldve just got a avatar and a theme or something and told us deal with it

tbh I would be cool with that ..

how ever i think its more than fair for non psn+ users getting psn+ and absolutely fair for psn+ members

if your done with sony because you feel non psn+ members are getting treated too well you need to grow up

[snaz27]

sorry where did i say i'm sore about psn members getting plus? That's fine by me, and i can see why they would think it's a nice litte bonus! I'm pissed at sony! Cos they don't seem to realise i've already paid for 2 of those 4 weeks they are oh so graciously giving me! But honestly it's like sony is god sometimes round here lol... They can do no wrong, it's actually pretty scary sometimes.

[Dee_91]

Ohh okay I see what your saying now
Like the psn+ members only getting back the 2weeks they paid for already while non psn+ members are getting a full month

when you look at it like that it is kinda lump sided

Yea if they want to give everyone psn+.. psn+ members should get a extra week or 2 so itl be even
even tho thats true you making it worse than what it really is
its not that serious lol

[Ju]

snaz27, cry me a river, seriously.

So, as a bean counter you realistically only get 2 weeks as a PSN+ subscriber and those "other low lives" get 4 weeks which don't deserve it? Is that what you are saying?

Technically, you are eligible to get your 2 weeks back, yet you get 2 more extra. Stop complaining.

Non-subscribers get a sneak peak for 4 weeks. No hurt no harm. We can only win. People can buy more content, it doesn't cost Sony a dime but could win over some non subscribers. And who ever does not subscribe within that month can't get any goodies - because those expire with your subscription. So what's the big outcry? You people are just greedy.

Well...common practice for all "new accounts" in all kind of businesses. Ever complained why new a contract gets a better deal than old ones? Same shit. Get over it.

And BTW: I am a subscriber.

[gamingdroid]

It does seem lump sided, but it is nothing new.

For instance, if you are a new customer of Netflix you get anywhere from 2-4 weeks free with no obligation, while current customers get nothing!

Point being, it's lump sided and it sucks, but it is better than nothing. Frankly, I'm surprised free members are getting anything at all. It is unusual and pretty generous albeit with a marketing ploy.

[jke82]

how about a math lesson snaz
psn+ 50.00$/year
365 days in said year
equals out to 13.6cents perday
those two weeks your crying about
a whole WHOPPING 1.91$
your crying about LESS than 2 dollars

so heres what ya do, go search your car and under your couch cusions and when you find about 2$..call it a gift............

YOUR WELCOME

ungrateful kids..........

[snaz27]

i don't care if it's a couple of quid's worth or not! If you are ok about paying for nothing then that's fine by me, afterall it's your money! That has no basis on my opinion! Cos you're not bothered i shouldn't be bothered? Yeah ok then! Retarded kids!... Tell you what's a great idea, why don't you just send sony a couple quid every week? You know cos it's nothing, hell you could even put me on your mailing list if you like! Lol...

[Ares84]

I hit the agree button without reading your whole comment. Than i realized that the first part wasn't even your comment.

And I wholly disagree with you and everyone who thinks this is fair.

This isn't fair and this isn't about us PSplus member feeling "special" as opposed to non-PSplus members.

It's just subscribing costumer vs non-subscribing costumer. If you think that they both should be treated equally than you are mistaken my friend.

Why should I who pay a subscription fee get the same treatment than you who doesn't. I put more money into Sony's pocked as opposed to you.

That is why you have 1st class seats on Airplanes, you pay more, you get a better seat. That is the way it is supposed to be.

You pay more, you should get more. You pay less, you should get less. It is not fair to people who pay more to get the same as people who pay less.

It is absolutley unfair to PSplus members what they are doing.

Obviously someone who isn't a PSplus member thinks it's fair because they get as much as us, these hyenas. These are the people who where too cheap to shell out money for PSplus and now they think it's fair that they get a slice of the pie for free???

To be honest, I don't really care if they get a free month. In fact I was trying to get everyone I know into PSplus because I think the service is great. I don't have that sensation of feeling superior to people who don't have PSplus but I think you would have that feeling since you mentioned it which I find very childish.

I never expected ANYTHING from Sony as a compensation since I don't hold them accountable for the problem they had to face and we had to endure. But since they are offering compensation there should be a difference between PSplus and regular PSN users. And that would have been fair.

[mastiffchild]

How do you KNOW you put more money in Sony's pockets just because you're a Plus subscriber? I've got three PS3s ,three kids(numerous other consoles and a gaming rig too)and regularly have to buiy multiple numbers of the SAME game so they don't argue/can play co-op/whatever. THEN they all(as do I) have PSPs and we ALL, for example, play MH so, again, multiples of the same game.

With the number of games i buy, the number of consoles I've paid for and the fact that game sharing works well enough for our PSN needs anyway I don't see the need fore Plus but have found the PSN being down JUST as annoying as you have. We'll all get something and as it;s something you already want and I, frankly, don't who's getting the better deal again?

Sony have to draw a line somewhere(as with DCUO accounts of which I've two)and it's NEVER going to appease EVERYONE and wasn't the main issue here that our info was compromised>? Well that's ALL of us isn't it? We can NEVER get the time back and I'd rather they offer nothing to be honest and just allowed the lost paid for time back for Plus/DCU users but as everyone suffered they have seen fit to do what they have-and it serves them a purpose too.

But. again, I could just as easily claim to pay Sony more than you do and as I don't want or need Plus the free month is SURELY a bigger boon to someone who wants it already, no? Can't we all just wish they get the damn system running again?

Free users whining about comp, Plus users crying because they're MORE Sony and deserve more than free plebs! Come on-how were they going to please everyone? Is it fair? No, and I'd love my lost gaming time back but that's not going to happen and at least you won't lose any cash over your precious Plus sub, will you? Thing is the disc based games with online halves are currently only giving HALF their value. See-it's never gonna be fair to everyone so can't we drop it all?

Also, we're YET again moaning at Sony when the hackers who did the deeds of evil seemingly avoid any culpability at all. FFS, I'm getting sick of all this.

[Ares84]

:D

I got 2 PS3's but actually purchased 5 by now. 3 for myself (one sold). One for my sister and one for one of my friends. My personal PS3 game collection is a 226 games NOT counting DLC games and all purchased at full retail price. I constantly buy games for my sister as well who's current collection is at 50 games. I have two PSP's as well, not many games though. I have a Sony Bravia LX900 52". $5000 TV from Sony. My blu-ray collection is at 400 movies not including the collections such as LOTR, Spartacus, Planet Earth and so on. But if I'd include those I think I would hit close to 500. I have a camcorder from Sony, can't recall the model number atm (at work now) but it was $1200 when I got that. Also have a two sony cameras. One was $500 the other $1500 with two lenses. I also have a Sony home theater system which cost me $800 when I got it.

SO, I can play that game too you know but this is pointless.

Not everyone has as many Sony products as you and me. I think we can confidantly say that the wast majority if non-PSplus members pay less to Sony than the majority of PSplus members.

You have to take care of VIP first.

EDIT: @ below

Because I've been paying for that first class seat for months now and people just get it for free who never even wanted it.

[ravinash]

How does everyone getting a 1st class seat effect you who has already paid for a 1st class seat but then get an extra month in that 1st class seat?

If you were trying to get people onto PSN+ then this is a good thing, because now they can expereance it first hand.
Maybe more will take it up when the deal ends.

As for those who are already on it, you get a months free.

[stu888]

get a life... the fact you've got 200 odd games shows you need to get out more my friend.

I couldn't care less that you think its unfair

The way I see it, us non-PSN+ users get 30 days free + other free content! BRILLIANT!

Why do we deserve it? Because when we bought our PS3s part of the system is that we can go online. the PS3 'only does everything'. That has gone, so we have a right to compensation. Sony can see this.

If PSN+ should get a better deal, fair enough...

Sorry, but I can't stand the losers on here who are always going on about how much AMAZING things they own and how they have the latest games.

Bragging on a site like this is the up there with the saddest things ever.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I'm a PS Plus subscriber. I am not looking for any compensation at all. I couldn't care less. I am not here to absolve Sony of any lack of security, but I also am not the type of person to sit with my hand out and demand reparations. I just want PSN back. You, however, cannot sit here and say who has put more money in Sony's pockets. A non-subscriber could very well buy 3 times the amount of content as a subscriber, and YOU wouldn't know the difference. Sony wouldn't even know the difference, hence why we all get the same "compensation." And on a plane, you have to pay for tickets regardless. There is no free vs paying customer.

[sobekflakmonkey]

I kind of agree, I think gamers are way to greedy, and feel way to entitled, and I believe that only PS+ members should have gotten that free 30 days, honestly, if you think your entitled to that free 30 days and you have NEVER even had PS+, I would consider you very childish and immature, and the only reason people are disagreeing is because they don't have PS+ and they just want free shit because they are greedy bastards..even though they never paid for it in the first place..

[stu888]

You seem to forget I splashed out £400 when it first came out! I payed for the online because I bought the system - so did you! The fact that there is an optional extra is meaningless.

I'm not greedy - they say the best things in life are free!

[jke82]

2$ PEOPLE YOUR BITCHING ABOUT 2$

ways to make 2$ back
-lemonaid stand
-panhandleing at your local corner store
-hold will work for food sign at interstate off ramp
-ask random people for change to make a phone call at a pay phone(they still have those?) shouldnt take more than five mins
-press elevator buttons for people at local hotel receive tips
-collect underpants
-????
-Profit!!

man ya act like sony should give you free shit for life. be grateful you can afford internet and a gameing console at all

[Hawth0rne]

homestly i dont understand what the big deal is here. Iv been reading and reading these comments andi cant understand what all the complaings about, so what non plus users get an extra 2 weeks we should all be happy to get anything at all considering all the free online gaming weve gotten.

To all those people who think what sony is doing here is unfair i think you are taking this a little to seriously. You should just be happy its comeing back online and that we dont have to Pay 2 play.

[ndl1531]

all i hear is whining wa wa waaaaaaa if i was sony i whuldn't give any of you little girls $hit . stop your beeyoching and be happy the service is coming back up at all dam crybabies . sony gets hacked by cyber terrorists and they'r still humble enugh to offer free content and some people still dont stfu?

[BubbleSniper]

100th agree here.

IGN up to those old tricks again!

sensationalism crap and more dookie.

IGN just bored till CoD3 come out so they can get naked and prance around while givin it high 9's or 10's.

[YodaCracker]

@Scary69 "I thinks is reasonable its better then what 360 got when Live went down for 2 weeks. IGN has failed in gaming journalism and should look for another job."

There is NO WAY you can even compare the two situations. First of all, LIVE was not completely down that holiday season. It worked for many people. It worked on and off for others. This PSN event is on a whole other level. Tens of millions of people's personal information and credit card numbers have been compromised.

This is easily the biggest disaster of this generation in the video game industry, even worse than the RROD. It is going to cost Sony billions upon billions of dollars and will lose them tons of present and future customers. How can you compare a whole network being hacked and shut down, to a network not working for some people due to an influx in new customers?

[jke82]

CC numbers were encrypted as was the user ids the only thing they got were addresses
(oh no they hacked info the couldve gotten from the yellow pages now they can steal my identity /s)

.... without access to the encryption keys (which the hacker doesnt have) it would take decades to break the encryption by force....my credit card expires this december...i doubt there is much if anything to worry about... be a gamer not a fanbitch yoda

[zeal0us]

old saying but goes a long way

"don't look a gift horse in the mouth"

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I still don't even know what that means. I hate old quotes.

[scotchmouth]

KwietStorm,

Google is a stones throw away.

[jke82]

^^^^lol^^^^^
search stones throw away too that way you can kill two birds with one stone....HAH..

[scotchmouth]

Your name couldn't be more accurate good sir. I agree. It was one of the first things i was thinking as i read the article. "elitist"

The following should be read in Roland's voice from borderlands:

"Nailed it!"

[BABY-JEDI]

It sounds to me that this guy just likes whining. No matter what Sony does he would still dig up something to complain about. Grow up whining boy.
; P

[Rageanitus]

This is IGN remember.....

[Areeb11]

The website who everyone questions is now questioning something of it's own accord. The Irony is so lethal I could write a gothic metal song to this.

[SephireX]

Its not childish but a fair point. PS3 plus members were paying for online whether normal members were not so they deserve more compensation. They should have two months free.

[--------]

.
Whenever I mentioned that I wasn't a member of PS+ I got hate Disagrees from the elitist idiots who think that just because they pay for something that we don't want, they're better than everyone else.

I'll take the free subscription on all 6 of my PSN accounts, but after that I won't be joining...I'll just carrying on not paying for things I shouldn't have to pay for thank you very much :)

[NewShadow101]

Wow LOGIC u just won urself a medal for being awesome :P nice saying Logic nice saying

[liore]

I bet u 50 pounds they give away kz3 dlc for free and a movie from Sony studios

[callahan09]

They're not going to give away any games or movies that aren't distributed by Sony. By giving away Sony products, they're just foregoing an opportunity to make money. By giving away non_Sony products, they're not only still foregoing an opportunity to make money, but they're also SPENDING money, because the owners of those products aren't going to just say "Hey, yeah, sure, you can give away our game/movie for free!"

[Focker420]

Well considering the KZ3 DLC had only been on PS+ for like a week before the breach, I'm certain it will be on for at least a couple more weeks.

[Non_sequitur]

I'm guessing if a video is included it will probably be a rental.

[xAlmostPro]

liore

All of these comments and you're so sure you're right?

I'll do the bet, 150 pounds though :)

[KwietStorm_BLM]

I bet you double, that whatever they give away, people will complain anyway, as per the PS3 community rules.

[Octo1]

I agree that a 30 day trial for PSN plus is a bit of a weird move since say you do download a "free" game through plus, you lose it or "no longer able to play it" if you let Plus lapse.I see what Sony is doing here and I in my opinion it's a bit of a head scratcher of a move.
On a personal note I thought PSN being down this long would have affected me but it has not. I used this time to be keep up on my trophy whoring by buying a few bargain bin games.Even a few of my friends who do nothing but play BlOps are doing okay to my surprise :S All that being said I am looking forward to having PSN back.

[rob6021]

Well that is true, but that argument completely forgets about all the other services PS Plus provides:

Cloud game save storage
Automatic Game update downloads
Qore online magazine (with freebies/early demo access)
Discounts on a large selection of software.
Free Time-limit trials of certain Full games.
Free Avatars and Dynamic Themes to keep.
Early Beta Access

[Ju]

These features only apply as long as you are a + subscriber. All this will be gone after the month if you don't subscribe. I am curious about the discounts. That I don't know. But why not. You got a month to buy them all...

[hetz15]

yea, this past week I've been playing counter strike and beating portal on steam. Now, I'm planning to beat Half Life 2 lol.

[Ares84]

Giving 30days free of PSplus to everyone is to get more people to buy PSplus. I bet you anything that at least 40% of the people will subscribe to PSplus after this free 30 days and this is what Sony is counting on. They are trying everything to get back what they lost.

[Dee_91]

Oh
I thought it was because PSN was down ...

if people want psn+ afterwords good for them if they dont good for them

[Philaroni]

Funny I never saw anything like this when XBL was down for a good week or more and all MS did was give out a crappy game no one heard of. Just odd how we never see rant articles like this left and right for the issues other company's have.

[Chocoboh]

XBL wasn't down for a week for every user, M$ was just having a server overload and information wasn't compromised either. Stop being a fanboy.

[fedexas]

Chocoboh : It was still down. Does it matter what happened? It was still down.

IGN is full of it, just like the other sites looking for a way to constantly attack Sony.What matters is what Sony is doing about this. Why the heck don't they question the hackers? Why don't they ask what the heck these hackers want that they have to drag customers into this ****?

[jrbeerman11]

big difference, i dont have to change my credit card number and check my credit score every month for next year because xbox live went down.

give me a break dont bring xbox getting overloaded for a couple days . Id rather know my information is safe than get a freebie for 30 days, give me something permanent.

xbox live also gave the days for free.

sony is using this to sell something which i think IGN has a good point about. the point is that giving free month of plus service is something that wouldnt be a bad idea even if all this hacking nonsense never happened.

[UP]

jrbeerman11: you dont check your credit/debit card activity frequently? That is insane. Your info can be stolin at any moment without you even knowing from anywhere not just the internet.

[jrbeerman11]

i do, my wife was a victim of identity theft...so i know.

its a nightmare, try it sometime.

[Ju]

We don't even know what was the cause for the XBL down time. Server overload was the general understanding and yet there was no official word what really happened. And M$ got away with it easily. Unlike others.

[Chocoboh]

Nothing new folks, just IGN jumping on the hate train.

Haters gonna chuu chuu

[liore]

Ign and gametrailers are so biased every video review I see that is multiatform is shown on the 360 version EVERY TIME

[jrbeerman11]

what if it is better? and no not every exclusive was said to be better on xbox...

FF113 certainly was said to be better on ps3, also said that mass effect 2 was better on ps3 which I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH. was so upset i spent even more money to convert systems for 3, the game had the worst loading times and the slowdown was unbearable.

the problem with xbox 360 being claimed to bet better exclusive isnt ign or gametrailers fault, it was the developers making for 360 and porting to ps3.

believe it or not ps3 was much harder to develop for at first, and still has some issues, crytek had a great interview talking about the issues that it creates. that being said the tools are finally caught up and now ps3 isnt a chore for devs so thats about to change.

[chadwarden]

IGN = short for IGNorant.

[InLaLaLand]

BA.BA.BA.BA.BALLIN!!!

[slutface]

so ign is demanding more compensation? wtf is wrong with them...sony absolutely didn't have to compensate for free service but ign is questioning if its enough..wtf

[---stone---]

If Sony were to have given everyone a 32inch 1080p 3d, 120hz led tv. IGN would bitch and further their disdain for Sony by saying it isnt good enough, it should be the latest and greatest 55in Sony tv.

[hetz15]

it's free and some still question the decision. it is free for pete's sake.

[thebudgetgamer]

funny how netflix and gamefly do the same thing, yet no one angry about that.

[fossilfern]

I had to log in to say how stupid this article is. The service is free, meaning you pay nothing for it UNLESS you are a PS+ sub or one of the DC players. But now IGN has the audacity to question a good will gesture ?

[slutface]

this is a new low for ign

[fossilfern]

Its a total joke, the amount of hate towards Sony is unreal. But 5 years to build in Wifi, faulty hardware, over priced online service with a stupid fund system to buy games is perfectly fine in IGNs eyes ?

[jrbeerman11]

i am ps3 player first, but u guys, it isnt as simple as losing a free service for a couple weeks.... its the fact that they didnt encrypt the personal files and credit card numbers because they were cocky.

that is why people want more, not because free psn was down.

[lodossrage]

the credit card data WAS encrypted.

And no, people want more simply because they're greedy and think they're entitled to stuff. Plain and simple

[jrbeerman11]

http://www.computerworld.co...

there isnt a yes or a no according to this article. as well as this one..

http://techland.time.com/20...

and this article says same but now that government is involved, apparently some are claiming 2.2 million credit card numbers with names and addresses were stolen from database.

I did find that sony claims that credit cards were in fact encrypted and no cvc codes were taken, but also said not to rule out possibility of credit card numbers being stolen.

so i was half wrong and it doesnt really change the fact that people could by trying to steal my identity so sorry a couple free games or a service i will never use will not make me feel better.

so im not ready to go WEEE ALL HAIL SONY i get sonic the hedghog 2 for 30 days and free updates for games I may or may not own!!!! but apparently i bought a boat in costa rica, and a new house in new zealand.

see my point? im not sayin i want more freebies, i really dont want any, its just that this crap doesnt make it all better.

[lodossrage]

ok, let's say for example they stole your credit card numbers

So tell me, since they ARE encrypted, tell me what they can possibly do with xxxx xxxx xxxx xxxx.

See those x's? THAT is what your encrypted credit card number looks like? And as for identity theft, please. You can get all your information right of the internet white pages.

And nobody ever said "it makes anything all better" What IS being said is no matter WHAT sony does, people still want MORE! And blatantly honest, all they really have to give people is better security. How people ACT entitled to stuff from a FREE service is beyond me

When this happened to Microsoft when people got credit card data stolen UNENCRYPTED from xbox live through bungie.net, where was all this outcry?

Amazon, Mastercard, and Capital One also had this same problem. People need to get real and realize this HAPPENS!!

[skrug]

@jrbeerman11

the CC numbers were encrypted, with 128bit encryption.

Passwords are hashed.

Sony are saying that just as a precaution.
"Hope for the best, plan for the worst"

Image below is what a Sha-1 hash would look like.

[LondonMediaOS]

Artical from IGN= Sony Rant!!!

[DeeZee]

I feel like these sites are writing the same article, over and over...an over.

[SuperbVillain]

If your not paying for anything,you don't deserve shit!...I don't deserve anything from Sony because I was not effected by this hack,and neither does anybody else who wasn't effected.I like Sony because they do things like this,they do things they don't have to,and people are questioning this?

[Game0N]

wow ign has hit a new low sheeesh

[Aussiegamer]

Nah think they hit bottom when they gave gta 4 a 10, ever since then its all been meh. lol

[Game0N]

your absolutely right...in retrospect what the f*ck was that all about?

[solidjun5]

I'm sure there are more levels of fanboy hell they can achieve.

[PHiSHLoC]

Damn IGN really has a hard-on for Sony...holy crap I never seen anything like this before. Sony should tell them in the words of BIG PUN " Get Off My Dick". Without Sony these assholes won't have shit to talk about. Strap up kids safety first.

[Rybakov]

who they hell would wanna question it....they did a nice gesture for us especially considering they don't have to do anything for us

[ElementX]

The thing about free PS+ is that the free content you download for the month is only valid while you subscribe! Your "free month" of Plus is basically worthless!

[lodossrage]

only the FREE game stops being valid once the sub ends.

you keep:

any games you bought at a discount
dlc
avatars
themes

Plus on the PS blog they said they would be giving people a free game regardless. What that game is of course I have no clue. But hey, free :)

The cool part is those of us with plus already are getting an extra 30 days

[Arksine]

Not really, that only applies to full games. The rest of the content you keep, as well as any games purchased with PS+ discounts.

One month is plenty of time to download and play a game or two that you likely otherwise would have to pay $10-$15 for. Sounds like a pretty decent deal.

[Focker420]

Worthless?? You get to play some extra games for free. Who cares how long it lasts?! Oh and the KZ3 DLC that will still be on PS+ (when it goes back up) will be yours to keep. No re-subscribing required. The only things you can't keep is the free PSN game and the cloud storage. Everything else is yours forever. There is a bunch of stuff people will get right off the bat from their free 30 days, no strings attached.

[R_aVe_N]

The service is free they don't owe people shit.... The only people they owe anything to is the PS+ people. These other jackwagons can go suck an egg. If you want to give me something you can start by banning IGN consoles that would make me happy bunch of ass clowns!

[lodossrage]

their are some people that will always moan and whine saying "they're entitled" to stuff. Even from a FREE service.

It's just the sad reality of human nature. Always wanting something for nothing

[-MoOkS-]

buh, buh, buh, teh IGN are biased!11!!!!1!!1!!

Valid points. All sony is doing by offerning free ps+ for a month is gaining more subscribers in the long run. Thats hardly saying we are sorry for the mess we have caused; It's them just taking advantage of the situation and using their consumers yet again

[fedexas]

If you don't have a PS3...then why are you here?

[Killman]

Oh Mooks, you are just too predictable.

[Focker420]

Using their consumers??

So giving everyone access to a paid service for free for 30 days as well as a bunch of free content is now considered 'using' them?!

Wow you really need to get your mind checked, the delusions have now completely clouded your rationality.

[P_Bomb]

PS Plus is in ADDITION to a free exclusive game per region, which works out to 3 free games for me personally just to start. I'm already a Plus subscriber anyways, and I'm not even complaining. People haven't done their homework regarding this welcome back campaign and neither have IGN's talkback by the looks of it. The fact PSN is not even up yet & some people are complaining that free ain't free enough is just pre-emptive trolling.

[DWOM]

KILL HIS BUBBLES!

[oghost85]

I'm so glad I stopped going to Ign for info after listing to their pod cast for many years it became abundantly clear that these guys sounded like snobbish, overachieving, self entitled punks! that seem to care more about going to bars. dressing up? RYAN Cough* Clements Cough cough.lol these guys are supposed to be "Gamers" LOL.

[Raider69]

At the beginning no one cares,if Sony didn't offer nothing,now that Sony is giving something for free the vultures want more.I call it greed!

[oneDMAC]

Yet another douche bag who feels like they are entitled.

[rob6021]

Yea this guys argument about PSN+ being given a way a bad thing because he loses his sense of entitlement shows that exactly. You'd have to guess how that sense of entitlement plays itself out in his review scores - because he certainly values it a lot and wishes to protect it, and may wish to 'reward' a company for doing it.

I am a fan how these guys are disclosing every event they attend in their blogs, however this stuff should be mentioned in their reviews - not where a user has to dig for them.

[mamotte]

So, let me see if I get this right. IGN got a free system, somehow it colapsed, and now IGN wants to be compensated for not getting his free service. I'm asumming they want a free limited edition PS3 with a "enjoy your free service" slogan, and a copy of every AAA game for the next five years.

Because, you know, when a friend of you offer to wash your car, and let some garbage under the hood, you should stab him. It's common sense.

[deadfrag]

Ign greg miller haves two faces!

[IHateYouFanboys]

personally i think the free month of PS+ for all is a HUGE copout.

theyre just giving you a demo for a month basically. im not going to pay for PS+ after the month is up, so i essentially get nothing to keep - maybe a lame avatar pic or something.

not that im complaining about not getting anything - i dont even care if they dont give me anything. but i think saying theyre giving us all this free stuff, but then with a tiny disclaimer saying you lose access to the free stuff after a month unless you sign up to PS+, is completely wrong.

sony royally f$%^ed up, and now theyre trying to profit from it by giving people "free" stuff and then ripping it away after a month? unbelievable.

[awesomeperson]

Have you considered a job at IGN?

[Undeadwolfy]

+1

[KingofGambling]

because of IGN I refuse to read, but I have a question for them.
Gamers: Questioning IGN's credibility as a Game Journalist

[CharlesDCI]

If Sony's plan is easy to comprehend then why are they questioning it?

[Ethereal]

Thats it! I am officially banning IGN. No more clicks from me. The stupidity of the articles on that site are amazing.

[Franky7]

WTF!?...is this f-king guy 12 years old?

[IGAMEHARD]

who misses the ps store the most????? gtfoh, terrible article

[etowntwo]

This coming from an Xbox owner ...

but is't it free to make abd have different accounts on ps3 .... i wonder if every acount gets the free stuff?

[Krimson-Rage]

If Sony offered every PSN user a sack of gold we'd STILL see wall to wall whinging in certain quarters...

[denero1]

gosh to follow a company without any thought is scary :\

[Veeger]

What else would you expect from XGN?

1 month of PS+ will be more than any bank charges for replacing CC. AND Sony promised to repay that in some areas (probably in US as Americans are those whinning, are you THAT poor people?)

[b_one]

hm, strange, ive got mine exchanged for free, but im from EU..

[CoryHG]

I could care less about reimbursement, I just wanna put in my scorpion code for outfit and fatality.

[Lindsey]

I'm just happy we get anything. It would be nice if PS Plus members got a little more, but I'm still getting a month free for a two week outage. That's really not such a bad deal.

[MaideninBlack]

The sooner people realize that IGN and sites like it ONLY care about website hits rather than honest reporting and thoughtful reviews, the better.

Stop pushing every lame IGN article to the front page. You're only feeding the problem.

[buckley]

No way... IGN saying something negative about Playstation. Unheard of.

[devilhunterx]

NEVER FORGET!

http://ps2.ign.com/objects/...

[Loner]

Thank god there are still some journalists out there with the balls to ask the tough questions
Kudos IGN

[buckley]

This is a tough question that no one else is asking?

[PiR86]

This guy's a real crybaby

[clindiesel]

ign should stop questioning what sony does and get back to reviewing games.if it wasen't for sony and microsoft they wouldnt exist.

[RAmar101]

i have a feeling that what ever feature was omited upon re-boot IGN would have said thats what we wanted most.

ie. if browser was offline IGN would have said we kinda miss it its unfair on ps3 owners blah blah blah

if vidzone was off, IGN would say we really loved vidzone and we want it back.

imo IGN are an orangutan butt hurt journalists, as so are thier specific fanboy followers

[InLaLaLand]

I thought that some people was like that with the OtherOS situation.

[Darkshader]

PSN+ members who are demanding that they should compensate for the 2 weeks they have lost for not connecting to PSN should grow up. SONY is giving 1 month free access, that is more than 2 weeks!!!

Now if you feel that it is unfair that non PSN+ members should get a 1 free month PSN+ too, it is up to SONY because they all want PS3 owners to be compensated. And i think it will be easy for SONY to manage all PSN accounts for giving 1 month free rather than picking each owners who is subscribe in PSN+ and give them additional 2 weeks or whatever freebies SONY would want to give.

[Shuklar]

IGN is the Fox News of the gaming world. No seriously...they're owned by Fox News. What a joke!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Inzo]

Inzo: Questioning IGN's "review" system.

[yojimbo_slice]

I'll just be happy to play online again.

[PSWe60]

Jesus Fuck, people are such bitches. PSN is down, PS3 is now worthless, I can't go online...blah blah blah.
A few ideas folks:

GET A JOB!
Go out...WITH PEOPLE!
Watch Netflix
STOP WHINING!

Why am I the only one who doesn't seem to be horribly affect by this? Sure PSN is down and some of my games are now unplayable, but I have a life. You guys, presumably, have lives. Whatever Sony descides to reward us with will be fine.
Last time I checked PSN is free. The only ones who should be pissed are the gamers who have the PSN Plus service. That's it. Get on with your lives. It'll be alright.

[NavySeal74]

Im a psn plus member personally i dont want anything but psn to be up so we can all play online again.

Just been catching up on games offline that i hardly played.

[Darkseeker]

"So the fundamental question that arises now is simple: Are we as PlayStation 3 gamers getting what we deserve?"

Considering they don't have to give you anything whether you're a PSN+ or a free user, this is much more then we deserve.

[InfiniteRetro77]

IGN, why dont you stick to your patriotic duty of only supporting the american dream, i mean ream which is the Xbox 360 and f#$k off. do the world a favour, ban all keyboards from your offices so further dribble isnt needed no more.

[alousow]

is ign working with ms? its like all good exclusives from sony ign kinda give them a low ratings, but when is xbox exclusives its always high.

[dalehitchy]

im not to fussed about what happened with PSN, but i laugh at the comments of some of the PS users!

Sony are blantently giving out a month of free plus subscriptions in the hope that they get more paid users. It's not a bad thing at all... but guranteed if Microsoft did this... ud be ripping on them... calling them Micro$oft $$$$$

Sony fanboys really are way to loyal...

[xX-PEIN-Xx]

Is it any wonder? we all know they hate Sony...

[emkize]

Sony, doesn't owe you whiny ass bitches anything. They didn't hack themselves. It's generous enough of them to give you assholes at least this.

If anything, the coward-bitch hackers are the ones who owe people an apology, as well as compensation. And we owe them a swift kick in the nuts x 1,000,000,000.

Be glad that Sony is doing anything to compensate you spoiled little bitches.

[CrimsonAng3l]

Hey at least you guys get something so i don't know why some people are complaining about this even if you are a PS Plus subscriber. Just be glad that you get to buy free games, movies, etc for a whole month.

[Ima9er4Life]

Its not a big deal for me that psn was out of service. I'll just kick it with my kids in wife, go out. But it does suck when I get home everybody sleepin and my psn is out. Its coo tho cuz I'll just play other games other than online. Everybody fucks up, I'm a mechanic/tech, and shit doesn't go right all the time. Its life complainers, stop cryin and bitchin about it cuz you don't know that in life, ain't nothing perfect. Don't listen to ign, their mostly bias (lovin there geeky Micronerds Xbox360), i got one too tho, gears 3 is fun (beta) but not a HUGE leap foward at all. Its what I thought, Microsoft lazy

[gamingisnotacrime]

this whole PSN fiasco is a non issue for playing
Dragon Age Origins and DA2
GT5
ME2
3Dot Heroes

and so on

loving it

[The_KELRaTH]

It is for my GT5 as all my B spec drivers are set to remote and I can't change it (real shame too).

[The_KELRaTH]

I only signed up for a years PSN + a week before it all went tits up (what's the chances eh lol)

While there was free download items that were limited to being active for the duration of the subscription i.e. Killzone 3 map pack, there was also a few really good dynamic themes that were totally free as well as quite a few heavily discounted games so it's not all subscription limited as the media would suggest.

Sony decides what will be subscription free or totally free but it seems the media are making decisions as though they've already been given a factual list - which they haven't.

Seems like IGN is just playing the What If game so maybe we should too i.e. iF IGN stole our data from PSN, What iF they're selling the data because there's not enough of us linking to their web pages to give them ad money.
..........

Surely the only way we can decide if it's a fair deal is when we know what that deal is!

[NoSuchSol]

What we deserve is to see the hackers prosecuted and receive jail time. They love to say that they hurt Sony for targeting them, but they are A. Hurting the millions of PSN users, and B. DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL!!

With PSN being down for a while now it's a nice gesture to give free content and at least add a month back on to my Plus account. For non Plus users a month isn't going to change anything. *shrug*

[OMEGAXS1]

Is anyone here mad at the internet for allowing such madness to happen? lol. Just be glad you're not working at Sony trying to figure this shit out along with dealing with all these complaints and demands.