Phil Spencer may have just answered what platforms we're going to see Elder Scrolls 6 on, and one console is notably absent.
You don't spend billions on a company like Bethesda to share your toys.
The huge take away people should get from this is to never, NEVER, trust the words coming out of an executive's mouth. They are not your friends. They are not one of us. They are the face for business decisions, which are purely profit driven. Stop holding them up like they're people of morals. They're people of greed. It's their job.
They are all like that، all looking out for their own benefit, despite what they say
,sony make deals for console exclusives Microsoft make console exclusives no difference. only microsoft have the money to do more lately.
Every time an exec (or politician) gives a non-answer or act like they 'don't know', you can bet that they already know exactly what they are going to do but just don't want any bad press surrounding their decision or their answer.
Microsoft buys console exclusives*. Let's not sugar coat it. But yes, none of the suits are for us gamers.
" ...NEVER, trust the words coming out of an executive's mouth..."
No, you shouldn't trust words coming out of an any (Microsoft, Sony, Apple, Google, etc) executive's mouth.
... but did Microsoft ever say they would release Elder Scrolls 6 on Playstation?
Honestly, so much fuss about nothing. Microsoft purchased Bethesda, they can do whatever they want with them. People really need to stop bitching about Bethesda.
Literally said they want to reach more gamers (literally advertised this), had no intention of removing games from gamers, no plans to limit existing IPs. All things said during the CMA and FTC hearings.
Also, how is me saying "NEVER, trust the words coming out of an executive's mouth..." different from what you said? You essentially said "No, but yes." Why?
I think those comments were open to interpretation - I always understood them to mean that they were supporting already released games - ie. the MMOs and DLC for stuff like Deathloop.
@Shinoff2183
You can't cherry pick... He also said case by case basis. If you look at the totality of the situation you would have to be brain dead if you think a company would pay all that money not to have some exclusives
Politicians and CEOS speak the same language.
If you put words in a certain order, you can insinuate something, while at the same time leaving wiggle room if you are ever pushed on what you said..
Same way Trump gets people to stage a coup without him saying the words.
I honestly wasn't expecting ES6 on PS, but I have a PC if it piques my interest.
I said if because Bethesda hasn't done any advancement in the decade, and I've see starfield...it has reinforced my belief that B is just overrated.
NOW if MS announced Obsidian was developing ES6, they couldn't take my money fast enough.
Sorry Phil I think he was just saying that already, only you took it a personal attack on your beloved Microshaft
like sony right ? jim ryan lied many times and you said nothing . where did Microsoft said they was gonna keep making BGS make games for PlayStation ?? what if sony some how make Bungie make games only for PlayStation. are you gonna say the same about sony lied ? i bet you wont
What part of "an executive's mouth" was unclear? And as I said above, Microsoft said they want to reach more gamers (literally advertised this), had no intention of removing games from gamers, no plans to limit existing IPs. All things said during the CMA and FTC hearings.
Man the whataboutisms coming out of your comment. But mom he did this! Bro no corporation is your friend you shouldn't trust anyone.
Yes absolutely don’t trust them. They say what we want to hear around the time of acquisitions but as soon as they take control the company they can do whatever they want
MS started a very bad trend of buying publishers. Sony will react accordingly and buy what they can afford (square capcom sega etc)
Is this your first time dealing with exclusivity? Like, why the PSA when anything first-party becomes exclusive to a publisher?
Did you get this way with Spider-Man?
"Microsoft said they want to reach more gamers (literally advertised this), had no intention of removing games from gamers, no plans to limit existing IPs."
I know what your talking about. The internal rumble within MS by possibly making everything exclusive. That's just internal talk about plans and internal speculation.
They never announced or said future games were going multiplat, never unless you know something that I don't.
They said future ips will be on xbox older games or legacy titles were multiplat. That was their final decision not internal talk and speculation like all companies do.
*** I know what your talking about. The internal rumble within MS by possibly making everything exclusive. That's just internal talk about plans and internal speculation. ***
These were statements confirmed during the CMA/FTC hearings and were confirmed to still be their plan. And they literally advertised the 'more games in more gamers' hands' during the CMA process. Advertised it. So, no. That's public-facing confirmation.
"These were statements confirmed during the CMA/FTC hearings and were confirmed to still be their plan."
Not saying you're wrong but unless you give facts MS would immediately have gotten shut down in court for going back in their word and lying.
"And they literally advertised the 'more games in more gamers' hands' during the CMA process. Advertised it. So, no. That's public-facing confirmation."
You know exactly what they mean when they say that. Since Quantum Break in March 2016 the first Xbox published game to go PC. Then they started working on cloud and play anyway, GP came in now you can play on TV, tablets, Phones, handhelds/Steam deck ROG Ally. This is nothing new everyone knows what they mean by getting their games in more hands as possible. If you thought that included PS then I don't know what to tell you.
*** Not saying you're wrong but unless you give facts MS would immediately have gotten shut down in court for going back in their word and lying. ***
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"Since we announced our intent, our actions have demonstrated our commitment to bringing more games to more people on more devices. This includes numerous signed agreements to make Activision Blizzard’s games, Xbox first party games and Game Pass all available to more players than they are today. I’m proud of our efforts to expand player access and choice throughout the process. This deal has already been cleared to move forward in 38 countries, and we will continue to work toward timely resolution in other jurisdictions."
"We embarked on this deal with a clear vision for meeting players where they are, and with today’s decision by the Court, we take an important step forward in bringing this vision to life."
Yes they are doing that many devices. They agreed to support legacy Bethesda titles on PS, COD being on PS also. That's it, that's what was announced to us. Where did they say ES6 and future Bethesda games are going on PS? They made it clear 2 years ago after they bought Bethesda.
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Unless GP hits PS then the games will remain on Xbox PC and everywhere else besides PS or Nintendo.
I honestly thought you knew all this already.
@Christopher, let's not assume all executives are as myopic about the destruction of their competitors or controlling a market absolutely. Sure they all want to compete but Microsoft is unique in that they believe they're wealth entitles them to monopolize any industry they're in and if they can't they'll bounce. I doubt very much if you poured through James Ryan's emails, you find him glibbly talking about strategies to take control of Nintendo and how it would be "good" for Nintendo.
I get the idea that there are lesser evils, but they're all still evil and oftentimes they're lesser only because they haven't had a taste of greater power yet but would do the same if they had it.
So much for Case by Case i cant wait till Destiny 3 drops and Sony only Puts on on PC and Ps5. When that day comes i will make sure to have all these articles ready to go!
Speaking of which..is destniy 2 servers removed or something. I downloaded ps5 version of destiny and couldn't connect like at all
It won't just be Destiny though. I have a feeling that most Bungie new IPs will be exclusive to Playstation and PC in the future especially after these Microsoft leaks
They said when they bought Bungie that all games would remain multiplatform. They could have put Marathon on PC and PS only since it was announced after the purchase. But didn't because they weren't vague about their wording like using Case by Case.
except, if the reporting is true, PS/Sony have zero say as to whether a Bungie game is or is not released on other platforms. It's one reason so many people were scratching their heads at the deal with Bungie. PS offers Bungie the necessary funding they absolutely needed, but Bungie still retains rights to develop games on whatever platforms they so choose. Now I'm not saying Bungie will never make an exclusive, but if the reporting is correct that would be their decision, not Sony/PS.
Thats the Bungie pull for you. Damn nice move on Bungies part remaining in control like that
Sony has Every right an can do what ever it wants with Bungies Ip and the studio if u think otherwise u stupid as hell
Tbh I actually feel like Sony is seeing the dollars these games make and wants Bungie focussing on these MMO multi play games so they can take in that loot box money.
I'm actually very worried about Sony tbh as the sudden pivot to majority spending on online games is worrying.
As someone who has always enjoyed PlayStation for the single player experiences every gen since the PS1 I don't know how much is left for me in the future plans
Sony would have to do a contract as they did with COD. Otherwise there's no point in xbox putting it on PS.
Profits from the largest home console market, who needs that? No point at all to sell to the largest market in consoles. None. Unless you're purposefully losing out on potential cash to push your subscription service and nothing else. Unless your goal isn't profits, but control of where the industry goes and ensuring you control that element as well as are the only provider of the backend for said element.
"Profits from the largest home console market, who needs that? No point at all to sell to the largest market in consoles. None."
OK that's literally the whole point of competition. You have a big dog and under dog. Under dog wants to chip away at said Big dog. That's how it works since the dawn of time.
If Sony bought Bethesda it sounds like wouldn't be complaining about ES6 being only on PS only then. Since they have the largest console market right? In your own words?
Isn't that the point of competition? Should Microsoft forfeit or share every AAA game with Sony because PlayStation is CURRENTLY the largest console market? How else would Microsoft level the playing field? By forfeiting every game to Sony because of PlayStation's install base?
Should Nintendo also put all their games on PlayStation?
You guys have a problem with me replying to "there's no point in putting it on PS"? I also literally said it is about competition.
So, what are you guys replying to? The fact that I pointed out why they would put it on PS? Or just to say something?
I never had any interest in playing Elder Scrolls so it doesn't bother me though I own all 3 current consoles but I'm quite sure most solely PS5 owners don't care either.
How or why are you quite sure everyone else feels the same way about a very popular game as you?
Not surprised in the least, I’ve been saying this since Microsoft started their first rounds of development house acquisitions with Obsidian and Ninja Theory to name a few.
Said I wouldn’t expect the Outer Worlds2 to be on PlayStation so why would I still buy the first game. But I was told just to buy it anyway and enjoy it and maybe the next will also come to PS.
Since then I’ve not bought any game that was owned by a company recently purchased by MS as I didn’t want my money to help fund their exclusives that I would not be able to play.
This is just the fruition of those thought from years ago, so no I’m not surprised in the least.
Yeah no shit. You spend billions to buy a big name pubiisher who makes some of the most well known and best selling RPGs in the world and you want those games to be on a competitors platform?? No one should be suprised.
Starfield sucks...it was Bethesda only new real IP since fallout and elder scrolls were actually bought IP I believe.
Bethesda needs to come crashing down. Devs should move into other companies to help keep Bethesda like games alive.
I wonder what Sony is planning to counteract all the losses. So far they've been incredibly quiet.
I mean "sucks" is an exaggeration. It's a good game in many ways. But it certainly isn't a genre defining or generation defining experience in the way some prior Bethesda games have been and that people were hoping it would be.
I don't know why this is suddenly make news because in that same testimony (even as said by the article) Phil said "the game was at least five years out and platforms were technically to be determined". And in Phils own words today, the leaks were from years ago and lots of things have changed. So if it is true and no PS5, for a game still 5 years away, who's to say things can't change.
Hey, this you from 91d ago?
"Microsoft supports its other platforms including PS5."
As a consumer this is awful news, like all the exclusivity bs is awful for consumers, but as a corporate business makes sense, 1st party games should be exclusive, Nintendo does it and Sony too, we have to get used to the idea that Bethesda and in the future Activision will be 1st party studios for ms...
No suprise. Honestly when zelda ends up on ps5 or last of us on xbox, then you can be mad. But it will never happen. It's just hypocritical when nintendo n sony by studios.... crickets. Microsoft, who's in last place, makes something exclusive after studio purchase.... all hell breaks loose. Stupid.
We all heard the noise about Spider-Man and still hear it even though Microsoft had first choice but said no. Yet Xboxers still bring it up even knowing the truth but choosing to ignore it to make a point. Plus Spidey is in Fortnite, Midnight Suns, and Avengers sooo Xboxers still have actress to playing as Spidey. No exclusivity there. Every. Body. Wins.
Why is Sunset Overdrive still not on PS even though Sony owns the studio? Probably because none of the PS fans care and all you heard and still hear are those damn crickets.
Sony took no games away with any acquisition, they made new intellectual properties exclusive.
I'm sure the people that want to play a Starfield reskin will find a way to play this.
these kinds of decisions will cost microsoft in the long run.... you think bethesda would have made ps5 versions of theses games if they weren't profitable? The business problem with gamepass is so many free games it takes like a half a year of subs to get 1 game purchase out of someone.
MS spent money on acquiring studios to develop its own portfolio. They can do whatever they see fit with ES6.
As I've more years behind me than in front I have to say this console war is a bit of a damp squid if you take the money involved away
Back in 1984 I remember being in the electrical store eyeing up what commodore 64 game to buy and all I did was snigger at the graphics on the back of a spectrum 48k cassette tape ( go ask your dad ...back ? Ok ) and I can tell you the blood was flying that day as me and a pal fought a group of speccy owners .. spit.. apparently one of them got a paper cut off the cassette inlay
I could go on about the absolute bloodlust of the Atari St having more games than the holy Amiga but that machine could p.ss 5fps easily
Have you seen a floppy disc (is your dad still about ? )thrown like a throwing star across the aisles of Tandy
I'd love to tell you more but the nurse says it's lights out
lol how can you ps guys be mad at this?
Sony literally pays for a few months of miserable 3rd party exclusivity all the time.
This isn't at all different. In fact, it is more justified since Bethesda is now 1st party.
Also after all the bad blood between MS and Sony on the recent FTC stuff, no way they were going to stay in amicable terms. I'd wager MS may become a bit more aggressive, maybe even Sony as well.
Besides, do you really want those games on playstation? They've been always the worst ports!
I think I remember getting Fallout 3 for PS3 and hating it so much that i returned or traded it immediately.
It's not a surprise to me, nor do I actually care. Loved Oblivion and Skyrim but my tastes have changed over recent years and I'm looking for something different from my RPG's. That said, if it turns out to be sufficiently different enough from the typical Bethesda template, but still be engaging, I'll no doubt get it for PC.
Yeah, we’ll see. Is XBox even gunna still be around by the time that game comes out?
Hopefully not.
I'm no fanboy of any console or brand, but I can only see Xbox moulding the industry to how it thinks it should be, rather than what the consumers want. I don't think Microsoft and Xbox are good for the industry at all.
MIcrosoft has spent billions buying Bethesda and Activision. MS may benefit in the short term from the existing projects but it won't be long before their investors will de demanding a return on the investment that will push these companies into product that generates money quickly but which usually means mediocre games. In the meantime Sony will continue to follow a formula that has served it well for the last three generations of console. For an example, see how Spider-Man 2 performs next month. With multiple teams within most of their existing studios Sony will continue to make produce games that ensure Playstation remains popular.
I'm not shocked I was never under any illusion that new releases would be multi platform.
However I just wish they would be honest instead of stringing people along just straight up say hey Bethesda is a first party studio now so instead of waiting X years we will just say yeah ofcourse es6 is exclusive
All commentary around released still coming to rival platforms to me equated to re releases for example the original doom, quake games getting a re release on modern platforms as that's hardly a drawcard for Xbox or Skyrim something that people will go hmm yeah I remembered playing that game oh it's on sale cool I'll grab it.
I never for a second thought the next iteration in any franchise would come to PS or ng switch.
At most when es6 is 10 years old a multiplat release may drop
I'm not surprised, aftee reading some of those court documents its clear Microsoft is privately obsessed with defeating and or driving Sony out of the gaming business. There was no way any new Bethesda games come to playstation, no loss for me personally others may feel they're missing out. Publically Phil Spencer the liar spreads all sorts of fake platitudes like "when we all play together " nonsense but we know what a scumbag he is privately from his emails.
This goes to show that Microsoft Studios cannot create interesting IPs anymore and need to buy them. I will never ever see a Bethesda, Activision or Blizzard game being "brought to me by Microsoft". They just want control of the market like they are doing with Windows.
This is the big one, and yup, Microsoft minions already hard at work reminding us video game enthusiasts that we should have an Xbox for this exclusive that is (optimistically) three years from releasing. Think I’ll wait and see but thanks for the reminder lol.
I mean I only held out maybe a 2 percent chance it would come to PS5. Cuz Elder Scrolls will absolutely sell consoles and they can’t be bothered to develop their own quality console sellers anymore. Kinda the entire reason they’re buying up half the industry in the first place. Sucks but this is gaming now I guess.
Elder Scrolls 6 and Fallout 5 are still in the ether, but as we wait on the Starfield release date, perhaps Bethesda’s RPG game slowness is a good thing
Becaaaaaaaaaause it isn't a good thing. I mean as long as the games come out good I guess, but 100 re releases is annoying
Because Bethesda is content to keep milking Skyrim over and over. The next Elder Scrolls will most likely release on the next Xbox and PlayStation
Playstation?......
Unfortunately, I don't think so. Not even THIS Playstation, right?
I'd be surprised if Microsoft keeps Elder Scrolls 6 off PlayStation. New IP such as Starfield and Redfall yeah they'll be exclusive to Xbox but Elder Scrolls and Fallout have been on PlayStation and sell way too many copies to be made exclusive to just one platform.
No it isnt good. There is no reason we should be waiting a decade for a game sequel. All bethesda is doing is losing 10s of millions a year and destroying hype for games. At least with microsoft in charge maybe they wont release stuff so buggy.
Skyrim came out in 2011. Let that sink in. It's likely we won't see the next entry in the series until 2025 or later (probs much later). Nah, the slowness is not a good thing at all. Xbox should let other developers in house leverage the IP. One of the best Fallout games in recent memory wasn't even made by Bethesda (New Vegas). Share resources, get more studios involved working on the IPs concurrently.
Use their AAAA studio ! Is it still a AAAA studio because most of them left ? Or is it a BBBB studio now ? I’d bet on BBBB
only thing is we keep hearing how development has become easier yet we are getting fewer games in each series. i don't think 5-8 years is a good time in between sequels/new enteries
IMO it should be 3-4 at max
They take years to develop and then somehow the characters end up bland, the gameplay sub par, the worlds lifeless and the games overall buggy as hell. Not to mention further and further from RPGs every release.
Amidst a sea of projects picked up through acquisitions, the Fable reboot could prove that the Xbox’s old franchises aren’t tapped yet.
No. They spent an obscene amount on Bethesda. If they fail to deliver on ES6, the Bethesda buyout will look like the Russell Wilson trade to the Broncos. It will be the biggest misstep in gaming history. Not to offend Fable fans, but Fable is really far down on the ladder compared to ES6.
Agreed, from a Fable & ES fan. ES has sold millions and millions more units that fable for a reason.
Great analogy. I always felt wilson a bit overrated but he was a good qb. Hes not showing it though.
I agree. The Wilson trade might set back Denver for years. They gave way too much for a QB that has to have a hall of fame D and a hall of fame RB to win. Similarly Bethesda has to have a great modding community because they can't do it on their own.
yeah, i dont know why this is even talked about and it should be obvious. No one even talks about fable at this point.
its gonna be hard, need to see it. fable had such a nice charm to it that i don't know if they can capture again.
fable 1 is amazing but i loved them all.
LOL... this is one of the most delusional things I've ever read. Main Elder Scrolls releases are literally generation-defining games.
Fable? Yeah. No.
I have only recently owned an Xbox console so idk how important Fable is to the Xbox fanbase. If it gets released within the next 2 years, or if Microsoft can get someone to remake the originals that were critically acclaimed, I will give it a try. I wish it success
Of cause it is, the question is will he ban the game not just from Sony gamers but also Steam and Epic too? The Elder Scrolls is a massive IP and has a huge player base, I have a feeling it won't be long before the ban hammer is extended to other platforms, especially if banning Starfield from releasing on PS has worked. MS has shown it can't be bothered to make games, so why not just take and limit access to what's already been built?
Spencer may not even be in that position by the time ES6 comes around
Reckon sales/player engagement will drop if its not on ps. Don't forget Sony/nintendo is the console market and the console market is sony/nintendo . The rest are just smaller players fighting for the remaining player base.
Game is what 4 years away still?
Money talk bs walk rip Bob barker but if price is right it will be on Playstation