Some members of the Xbox Gaming Community have questioned Phil Spencers Leadership regarding some recent announcements.
Here’s my thoughts on whether his vision is right for the console.
The former boss of PlayStation has responded to some recent comments made by Xbox head Phil Spencer in a recent interview. The wide-ranging interview covered a variety of topics, with the conversation at one point leading Spencer to mention that he doesn't want to do "slimy platform things" to force gamers to play games a certain way, which has now prompted a response by PlayStation's former leader.
“Phillip W. Spencer III:"Xbox’s aim with Call of Duty is to give players choice, not "do slimy platform things" that make one option more appealing."
Yet Xbox were the ones who started this exclusive crap with CoD during the 360/PS3 era. This guy is something else.
Yep, some of their fans also parrot this hypocritical line, MS started and popularised that trend, then spent 80 billion.
Pot kettle black.
"MS started and popularised that trend"
What a load of horse poo. Atari was paying for and securing exclusives back in the '80s. It's been around since the dawn of gaming, they're all at it. The earliest one I actually remember as it played out was Sony hijacking Final Fantasy 7 from Nintendo.
Edit: just read the comments again, are ye only talking about COD exclusive deals? If so then yeah, ye're probably right!
Old mcgroin
Just a heads up. Nintendo lost square by staying with cartridge. That's fact. After square pleaded with Nintendo to switch to a larger format. So Sony didn't really hi jack anything.
Last where we're you before Sony even entered cause this was common during Sega vs Nintendo.
Also before that I believe on nes. Developers used to have to sign like a 2 year exclusivity with Nintendo to be on their platform.
Might wanna read up a bit
@shinoff2183
"where we're you before Sony even entered cause this was common during Sega vs Nintendo."
"Might wanna read up a bit"
Might want to take your own advice and maybe read the start of my comment where I said "Atari was paying for and securing exclusives back in the '80s. It's been around since the dawn of gaming".
Gaming didn't start with Nintendo buddy.
@Old McGroin4h
"Sony hijacking Final Fantasy 7 from Nintendo"
Square Enix and a few other developers wanted Nintendo to adopt a disc format over the cartridge which they saw as outdated.
Sony literally came to Nintendo with a business proposition to make a console together, the Nintendo-PlayStation which would utilize that new format. Nintendo being the stubborn guys they are told them no, refused the disc format and eventually that lead Sony to go at it themselves.
Nintendo lost Final Fantasy because of their own choices, they didn't want to grow or evolve...the same issue they still have today in places.
Fact is exclusive deals and timed content is something Microsoft really hammered down on in the 360 days. What Atari did was no where near the same level as Microsoft who had so much money in comparison.
COD deals, games like Mass Effect, Bioshock, Tales of Vesperia, Dead Rising 3, Rise of the Tomb Raider and timed DLC expansions...Microsoft had it all.
Every word out of MS can be flipped on its head to reveal the truth.
"Yet Xbox were the ones who started this exclusive crap with CoD during the 360/PS3 era. This guy is something else."
That's not actually true. Sony paid to keep games off of Nintendo and sega back in day. Plus they payed blocking rights to keep certain games off of gamepass which is probably what Phil may be referring to. Imo that makes them slimey too if we're being honest. At the end of the day it's just business. There is no doubt in my mind that if sony could make huge purchases like Microsoft, they would. You probably won't see sony respond with an official statement because they know they are just as guilty.
"Sony paid to keep games off of Nintendo and sega back in day."
That's not actually true.
Nintendo (and Sega) had licensing of games exclusive to their system way before PlayStation even existed, and both used 3'rd party developers to make licensed games exclusively for their hardware.
You and Microsoft are literally trying to rewrite history.
To be fair here, Einhander, Phil didn't mention Sony by name with his comment, it was just implied.
That said, the practice goes all the way back to the "Nintendo Seal of Quality" that not only limited developers to publishing on NES, but also limited the number of games they could make per year to 5.
Nintendo did it, sega did it was business at the end of the day. Y'all people gotta stop rolling on the Sony did it back in the day nonsense. Always blaming someone and back in the day was back in the day stop going that far back in time.
You're creating a strawman here. Nobody claimed Sony didn't do that type of tactic. He specifically singled out CoD since that's what the whole topic and Phil's statement was about.
Don't be dishonest man
Regardless it's not about who done it first....it's about who is doing it now.
You do know that Xbox does the same thing right. Xbox blocks Sony, Sony blocks Xbox. Please stop crying about gamepass. Thats the root of the problem.
The first instance of this crap I remember is Soul Calibur II. GameCube got Link, Xbox had Yoda and PS2 had Darth Vader.
you are thinking Soul Calibur 4 for the SW characters. Soul Calibur 2 had Link (GC), Spawn (XB) and Heihachi (PS2). Then Soul Calibur 3 was exclusive to the PS2 while Soul Calibur 4 was on 360/PS3... no Nintendo version until Soul Calibur Legends for Wii.
Adding on to what darth said, Soulcalibur II HD came out later on PS3 (maybe Xbox 360 too?) and it included the PS2 exclusive character Heihachi and the Xbox exclusive fighter Spawn but unsurprisingly, Link wasn't included
Soul Calibur IV on Xbox had Yoda (hate fighting that short bastard) and PS3 had Darth Vader but each platform had the other fighter as paid DLC.
True... and yet the kind of 'exclusivity' MS paid for was usually timed. The same things would still come to the PS but when Sony does it they make it so what they pay for stays exclusive.
I get paying to get something sooner, but paying to keep others from ever getting it too... that shit is slimy AF.
"but paying to keep others from ever getting it too... that shit is slimy AF "
So than you agree the Act/Blizz and Zenimax deals are slimy AF becasue there are definitely former multi-plat games PlayStation gamers lost becasue of the aqusitions.
@romulus, the entire practice is slimy, no matter who does it. Especially if the games in question were initially mutliplat and then became paid exclusives through acquisitions or contractual obligations.
As far as I know, MS has not removed access to any existing games for PS gamers. You can probably look to ones that were initially announced but never released until after, those likely shouldnt count because they weren't existing games in franchises that were always multiplatform. We can look to games such as Street Fighter V as a good example of a game in a multiplatform series that suddenly became exclusive and other gamers lost out on. Same goes for Dead Rising 3. Both of which were some back alley deal made between Capcom and the platform holder which YES... those are slimy AF.
@Darth
"True... and yet the kind of 'exclusivity' MS paid for was usually timed. The same things would still come to the PS but when Sony does it they make it so what they pay for stays exclusive."
Like Dead Rising 3? 🤔
Can you blame Sony for paying for exclusives. Ms went and bought up 2 major publishers, many studios , alot of the wrpg market.
Are you as upset ps fans don't get to play Ms 3rd party exclusives as well
@shin... in the grand timeline of things... Sony paying for exclusives predates anything MS did since joining the club.
***As far as I know, MS has not removed access to any existing games for PS gamers.***
In what time frame? Recently? No. But, you know, they definitely have.
And why do we always goal post with 'removed access to any existing games' as if that's the only slimy thing these companies are doing, specifically the fact that Microsoft is buying up massive publishers to control where those games go just like Sony making agreements with third parties (who can say no, btw).
Did any of these companies you mention help pay for development? If they did then what’s the problem? Anything you say darth is just like phil its a90% garbage.
Phil says things but it's the actions of the company he runs that just nullifies all of his statements. You can't call a company slimy for using money to buy exclusives when you do the exact same thing by buying out studios and making their new games exclusives. At least up until the point you realize you're not selling enough and need to put them on that other platform to make the game studios stick around and exist.
There's a difference. Buying a studio you own the actual game. While the other you're just paying to purposely stop the game from releasing on another platform. When you actually own something you should have the right to do with it as you like. Not when you don't own it. And as other's have stated Sony did this back in the day before Microsoft ever made Xbox. It's why I laugh when people claim Sony creates stuff from the ground up. then get upset that Microsoft buys studios. When Sony did the same thing when they first started Playstation. And it's the same with people complaining about studios being shutdown and employees being released. when it's been happening all over the industry. the real issue is game development has jut got way out of hand. Games are too expensive and take way too long to make now a days. It's a whole industry issue.
Yeah...I love how now that's a plus while also limiting IP from other platforms at the same time. What a bullshit slimy car salesman tactic.
Anyone with a brain or memory bigger than a pea can remember who started cod bs
Do you realise that Sony has been making exclusive 3rd party deals since the PS1 (even before the existence of Xbox)?
Claiming that Microsoft started exclusive 3rd party crap is just plain ignorance.
Wait are we pretending PlayStation didn't do paid third party exclusives before Microsoft? Now I've heard it all ...
I feel like it started before that. One can say that Soul Calibur II predates CoD deals with exclusive content for multiplatform games.
I don't really care "who started it" because they all do it, honestly. Just on the merits of hypocrisy, yeah, Spencer deserves to be handed his ass.
Phil was and is the right man for the company he is working for. Slimy..through and through. The Persons as well as the company itself.
Wow so you all really loved corporate scum like Jim Ryan then? All the games as a service projects and no backwards compatibility unless it's an overpriced remaster? And abandoning Twisted metal, resistance, syphon, getaway and all of the other IPs?
And if Phil is so bad why did the xbox showcase/the games he greenlit annihilate PS last presentation?
"You scared bro?"
No one is scared, have you seen the hardware/software sales from the most irrelevant gaming brand in the past 15 yrs aka the green brand...???
Their latest show was so ''AmAzInG'' that they'll be able to sell at least 40 more consoles/games and capture the attention of at least 6 more gamers around the planet...
Phil's a blowhard , and fk Jim Ryan to. I feel Jim's the reason sonys at were their at. Game wise. To say blew the lead is such and overstatement though lol. Ps is still killing Xbox.
Getting moist over a showcase really. ? let's take a short step in time to Redfall and it's epic showcase remembering the part how the AI adapts like never before and CrackDown with the power of " The Cloud "
Young chap it's advertising nothing more nothing less that power mop turbo in the advert will not clean your floor quicker
The fixation on Jim Ryan is a bit creepy I'm not gonna lie pass the phone back to your Dad...foot steps..
Hello you don't know me but that child of yours is showing an unhealthy fascination with an old man please contact child services. Like yesterday
@The Professional, Jim Ryan never portrayed himself to be the savor of gaming or act as if the company he works for was victimized by the evil competition like that chubby dope Philip Spencer. Lol. Ryan almost never talked yet here you are hating on him because the mindless masses told you to.
You xbox fans never learn, always running your mouth about Sony as soon as anything good happens for xbox. Yet after the games release and the sales results are shown, xbox stays dead last in both. It would be wise for you to hold off on the trash talking.
This is what’s wrong with you xbox fanboys. One dig at xbox and all you can see is that the person is a PS fanboy. There’s this thing called neutral where you are allowed to criticize both camps. Here I’ll bite, Jim Ryan is a d*ck for pushing the GaaS pivot within PS. Now’s your turn criticizing the slime Phil Spencer, go on.
Are you saying Astro bot is annihilated? How embarrassing🥴 you're a joke. The Xbox showcase was great. Well done Microsoft. But why does it need to be compared to a 30 minute state of play that was announced out of nowhere 2 days prior?
POS boss for a POS brand with POS fans, that's what xbox is.
So good to see them begging for Sony and Nintendo money and making all their games multiplatform, they are the ultimate losers and got what they deserve.
What trash you must be. Criticizing every fan of a brand you don't like. You're a great example of PS fans and bias. Anyone you don't agree with is wrong and stupid right? You must be a liberal.
I mean your a bit wrong to though lol. And of course just like a true repub, gotta resort to politics. Yall some straight crazy in the head mfs
"Critisizing every fan of a brand you don't like"
"You're a great example of PS fans and bias"
Oh the irony!!!
I was kind of with you, except for the hate in your words, until you said "liberal". What is it with "conservatives" and their anger? :P
Should it really have to be said? Great games are great games, no matter what platform they come out on. Being a loyalist makes no sense. I do give Sony (and Nintendo) a lot of credit for nurturing and growing their first party developers and putting out the great games they do. Sony seemed to loose their way for a few years, hopefully they are back on the right track. I have a gripe with Nintendo and Microsoft, but only on a couple of issues. Nintendo selling us cheap hardware and thereby holding their games back and Microsoft for holding back this generation with Series S. I just want great games with hardware manufacturer supporting them by giving them the most power possible so developers can keep pushing gameplay. There's still so much more powerful hardware can offer us other than just graphical fidelity.
'You must be a liberal'
Hilarious when you're the one in the replies acting like a 'triggered snowflake' lol.
Jim Ryan is literally corporate scum who doesn't play games. Enjoy Concord.
Weren't you just calling out someone else about how demonizing people is bad. Here you are thiugh
Why do you keep bringing up Jim Ryan like anyone is defending him? lol he ain't even part of the discussion. He can kick rocks too. But you acting real hurt like Spencer is your daddy or somethin.
Phil Spencer surely must have the world record in the amount of times a CEO can put his foot in his mouth throughout his career. I honestly wonder why Microsoft even lets him do interviews at all at this point.
He's a nightmare to PR guys like me. The kind of boss that wont stick to the briefing deck and most likely to say the wrong shit or stir unnecessary shit up that will get the Comms team blamed for it.
Phil Spencer is the most dishonest and two faced person in the industry.
And the sad thing is he lies right to Microsoft fans faces and they thank him for it. And then expect everyone else to thank him too.
But he dresses casually and sometimes wears a leather jacket and claims to be a gamer so he cant be all that bad right? /s
Personally, I think he's most honest when he wears a logo t-shirt under his business suit jacket.
/s
Why don't u stay off xbox articles my friend u obviously have a agenda to spread negative vibes on every xbox article if it riles the 52 yr u up so bad my friend stay off the articles
You have a problem with him telling the truth about Phil where everything can be proven that Phil's a lier, misleads and has done nothing for the Xbox brand except kill the brand? So much so that they had to buy up publishers to stay competitive but still be in 3rd place?
The smell of irony is hilarious here 🤣 I mean....it IS slimy, imo, BUT.....Xbox is the one who did ALLL of this during 360 era, which Phil is all too familiar with. Xbox is just BIG mad that they got crushed at their own game so they picked up their ball and went home. Cried to daddy big bucks to fight back because they don't know how to make good games. Convinced daddy to buy the playground.
"Responding to one such article posted on X/Twitter, Layden posted a GIF of actor Will Arnett doing a laughing spit take, clearly showing how he feels about the comment."
Miss that man.
No I don't have a problem with truth u all seem to, sony very guilty of underhanded dealings as well but we wo t mention them I have problem with him on every article spouting negative shit and blatant lies at times
Phil Spencer : Timed exclusive = bad. Buying a multiplatforms studio to make their games exclusive = good
OK...
Okay when sony pay to keep games of other platforms both are bad as each other not taking side it's a shit practice from them both
Skulter I was going to be insulting but when u starting using smiling faces on ur reply I refused u just child hope u had great day at school mt
I'm probably older than you, little buddy. 🙃
Also, why is your comment over here and not replying to my comment? 🤔 🤔
Ironbike mentioning school when it's clear he never finished, based on his language/typing skills. Hilarious stuff.
Maybe it's just me but it feels pretty slimy to buy up half the industry in an effort to take games away from people playing on the competing platform. Spencer needs to take a long look in a mirror.
How can this be considered news? The story consists solely of a single GIF image without any mentions, replies, hashtags, or additional context.
The story is about the response Shawn Layden made on X to a ridiculous comment Spencer made in a recent public interview with IGN, there's plenty of context.
Do you have any evidence that his response was to Phil Spencer on June 10th? Or could it be a reaction to Trump's first speech since the verdict? Maybe it's a response to David Jaffe's comment?
Without specific words, hashtags, or replies to other users or previous tweets clarifying the context, the only basis you have is an assumption and assumption does not constitute news. If you wish to disprove this, please present the evidence.
i think with a little common sense it's easy enough to figure out, pretty sure a former game company CEO responding in the way he did shortly after Spencer's hypocritical comment had nothing to do with Trump or Jaffe and you know it. "Without specific words, hashtags, or replies to other users or previous tweets" you cant confirm that it wasn't directed at Spencer either but if you have any specific evidence as to who or what it was directed at please feel free to present your evidence. Or you could stop being deliberately obtuse and just deal with the fact that this was most likely a response to Spencer's nonsense comment.
"you cant confirm that it wasn't directed at Spencer either but if you have any specific evidence as to who or what it was directed at please feel free to present your evidence."
Hence why, it's an assumption.
As I said, an assumption is not equivalent to news, just as an assumption in court does not constitute evidence.
Now I'm not saying the reaction can't be legit but a NEWS article? well...
It sounds like Microsoft pretty much hired Phil Spencer to destroy the company and its gaming division.
I thought u in bed u needvur 40 winks little fella ,now go to sleep school in the morning .
Both require accounts to play = Forcing gamers play games a certain way. Spencer needs to take the foot out of his mouth. Go back to your padded cell dude.
but buying out major companies and planing ion making the games exclusive is?
giril is the biggest bullshitter in the industry.
he should be very hush hush cause xbox under his leadership is failing in a big way.
guy needs to be humbled.
i knew it wouldnt take him long to take shots at others again.
Ms did have a better showcase and PS seems like they keeping games from us for something else and I'm a PS fan. At the end of the day it's just games and entertainment
Phil Spencer is such a hypocrite, god I can't this guy wish that fat sob would just go away. I see comments in this comment section regarding "who did it first" nonsense. Doesn't matter, Microsoft/ Phil Spencer are the only ones who have been peddling this "we're the good guys, they're the evil corporation who hates gamers" nonsense every chance they can get. No other platform holder/publisher publically pretends to be anything other than a corporation. Hilarious watching a 3 trillion dollar plus corporation play the victim of big bad Sony.
@ einheinder1972
I think you heed to do some research. Sony signed a deal with Eidos to keep console version of Tom Raider off of sega and Nintendo consoles. You may not believe it but it's a fact. Not saying Mictosoft is innocent but saying people saying they started this is BS.
Phil don’t you have enough drama as it is?? You had one good show in the past 15 years. Now you wanna talk about your s**t don’t stink. The PlayStation beast please do it!!! Let’s get back to those crash bandicoot commercials. F*ck peace we bout to crash out.
It was really the Betheda and Activision show he bought and attached yo Xbox to make it look good.
I hate Phil Spencer with a passion. He couldn't make it in politics so he's doing it in gaming.
Hate him for what. He hasn't taken any games from ps gamers. It's not his fault that the company he works for is richer than the other. If you don't like, play or own an xbox what the big deal?
You guys gotta decide on something. First people say Phil isn't doing anything for xbox and then turn around and say I hate him because he is too pro xbox. It doesn't make any sense.
Do you hate him with a passion when he gives sony props when they release a good game?Something he has done many times.
If you hate this man or any other person in a similar position just for doing his job you probably need to find another hobby. Sony doesn't own gaming Industry. It's a free market. Microsoft hasn't done anything illegal to get to where they are with xbox. So why all the hate?
Kinda like when you’re a kid and your losing a game so you say “this game is dumb, im gonna play something else”.
Lmao this is what I expected to see here in the comments 😭😭😭
Hurt dogs hollering 😂😂😂 29315;🤣🤣
So you guys gunna argue over which company is more slime? It’s like choosing the lesser of two evils…
Now repeat after me, class. Corporations are not our friends and don't care about us. If they're acting like they do it is only in the interest of their bottom line.
This goes for SONY, NINTENDO, MICROSOFT, EXXON MOBIL, WELLS FARGO, LITERALLY ALL OF THEM.
Coming from the company that took Halo from Apple, tried to buy Nintendo, hid a huge hardware issue, bought and basically destroyed Rare, refuses to release actual sales numbers and just recently dropped almost 80 billion dollars buying half the gaming industry.
A good friend worked for MS until last month. He quit because he was told that even though his performance was stellar, the current economic climate was not good enough for him to get a raise.
This is coming from a multi-trillion dollar company. Slimy enough for you?
Correct.
crazy thing, If you call out their biased views they start the blame game and all that bull. I’m convinced that there’s literal propaganda in PS games making them hate Microsoft at this point cause there’s no way you come away from the recent information revealed about these companies Especially Sony… and don’t agree with what Phill said.
I fucking hate exclusivity… it’s just another way of saying exclusion and I fucking hate it. 1st party’s I get but 3rd party is fucking lame. If I had it my way there would be no exclusives everything would be day date across all platforms.
But that’s a dream.
"Powa of Da Cloud" - Nothing came out of that
"World's most powerful console. 12 teraflops of Power" - PS5 Basically trades blows with it on multiplatform games and kills it with their first party games
"We're focusing on building world class 1st party studios" - Yeah, I guess by his definition is forking out money and buying studios.
"Xbox top selling console" - When they're selling well
"Hardware sales numbers are not important" - He downplays the importance of hardware numbers when they're not selling well.
The amount of PR and damage control and excuses is laughable. Phil would definitely be suited to join the team at Apple.
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at this point, its just so odd.
yes, this showcase was one of the better ones, but how in the hell do you close it out with the 600 money console and 2 others lol who signed off of this.
like the amount of bs coming from phil and the other one is just .. i cant.
also, did you notice that all of the xbox exclusives are on gamepass day one? like all of them haha how do they even make money off of them.
that being said, why are there always interviews after their shows haha. and the ign livestream was even sponsored by ps5 haha cant make this shit up.
"also, did you notice that all of the xbox exclusives are on gamepass day one? like all of them haha how do they even make money off of them."
By making them available at full price on other platforms like PS5 and PC (those who refuse to use anything else other than Steam)
isnt gamepass on pc too tho?
and some.of the games havent been confirmed for ps5 either xD the exclusive ones i mean.
@ Gold Drake
yes game passes on PC and it's actually very affordable since you don't actually have to pay any money.
With all the recent shenanigans by both platforms I'm convinced I do not need to buy another console. I just need to buy a powerful enough PC to run these games once and I'm all set for the next two or three generations. I wasn't sure with PlayStation but they pretty much made it pretty clear that they're going to release all of their games on PC eventually and maybe you have to wait a couple of years but with the number of games that you can get a high quality and the huge backlog people have including myself there's just no need to be so concerned about missing out.
I've noticed they investing in games to be on gamepass making no money still trying gain new members and its not working. While ps investing in games from asia countries to bring to us.
yeh its quite odd. cause im sure people would have bought games like cod and indiana jones.
oh well.
I mean its clear what they are doing. Right now Xbox still has quite some hardcore fans that you can actually sell an overpriced console to. That won't be possible in a few years, so that's what they will be doing for now.
Yeah, they both might buy the $600 box, but it won't change anything for Xbox as a whole.
Why worry about the trillion dollar company, they obviously have a plan that they are comfortable with, let's say that plan fails (I don't think so but) OK so they cancel GP bc they lost lets say billions= M$ will be just fine. In the meantime we(GP members) benefit= I've been gaming 30+ yrs I've never played so many great games for so little money. Save me the conspiracy stories, Ive been gaming too long, gaming evolves but never dies, devs & new devs come & go, there will always be gamers, so there will always be too much money to be made WITH OR WITHOUT M$, Sony or Nintendo; So it's simply crazy to me how any consumer argues against a company offering easily the most consumer friendly *OPTION in the history of gaming.
Agree, I don't understand why people are worried about how MS or Sony are making money? Like is it your dads company or what? They don't give a damn about you and neither should you.
I must however say, to keep people subscribed to GP, a steady flow of new games must come at all times and it shows that MS games lack the quality that Sony puts out because their games are probably rushed out.
Another thing is that you don't own your games. So the day you cancel your subscription, bye bye games.
this is a forum where people post their opinions.
but im glad ur so zen u dont think about these things.
thourghly agree, im a ps fan but still, i've always said, if you play loads of games, then gp is a good deal. its just for some who only play a couple a year, its not, so the option to buy physical should not go away, however good the deal is , for some.,
Wow 4show,
That was an absolute spot on comment...I agree with it 1000 percent.
By:
1. Hiking up the price of GP
2. Releasing the game on competing consoles
3. Hoping the investors don't notice
I can explain it.
Black Ops is 300GB. Lmao nuff said
If MS were smart they'd bundle BO6 with the new pricier more Storage consoles. The OG S simply don't have enough space. BO6 would be the only AAA current gen game youd have on the drive. So duh more storage is a must for the back half of the gen.The $600 X again duh, the regular X is $450 add another TB for $150 extra
Don't worry how they make money, enjoy the cheap offering you worried about the wrong thing
Umm people have questions after such a big showcase, why wouldnt you do an interview?
Not making a dozen promises 24/7 only to contradict himself a couple of months later.
Sure... a dozen promises....he's doing so terrible...what will we ever do...
Or maybe you're still recovering from the showcase.
Hello- This time last year MS had a good showcase and it was hailed as the thing that would turn Xbox around. A year later, Xbox console sales are dead, GP subscription growth is stagnant and MS exclusives are going multiplatform. Yeah everyone is shook by their showcase.
At the end of the day those metrics are only politics, possibly not all accurate, and have zero affect on how much we enjoy our consoles, with Phil saying Xbox now has more users than ever before in this IGN interview. Sony talking points that try to say "Sony sells more, must be the best" even though the platform is completely boring atm
Ill be enjoying playing all these games for a small subscription price...which Sony can't afford to replicate on PS plus...while you beg for a single game to release for 70$.
I don't know why there's so many Xbox fans out there convinced that somehow the games shown on this Xbox showcase is a jab towards PlayStation. The majority of games shown are coming to Playstation for sure and including Xboxes recently purchased first party those are probably also coming to Playstation at some point which is hilarious. Because this basically means that we are now convinced that if you do like console gaming the better option is to buy a PlayStation. It's inevitable that these games will come out on more platforms because they cannot make enough money off of Game pass to cover the costs of these games so they have to release it on more platforms. Right now it's a standard that they release it on PC so going for PC only is also a good option since both consoles will be releasing their games but if you are just a stickler for console gaming then PlayStation is probably the go to place because eventually all of the Xbox games will make their way to playstation. And this isn't cope since I don't have a dog in the fight.
Sony needs To step up and communicate with us like Xbox does. Look at their recent showcase and look at ours…its a joke. You can knock xbox all you want but they have a plan while us ps5 owners are left playing 3rd party titles and left wondering whats coming from first party.
I prefer 5 3rd party exclusives out this year on PS5 over only Hellblade 2 so far on Xbox.
They're waiting for the Pro reveal. If they save all their heaviest hitters for that, everyone will want the Pro. They also forced Microsoft's hand by having them reveal all theirs first, and by the time the Pro reveal drops, MS will be out of the news cycle.
Frosty,
Wow, killer strategy Sony!! Amazing, such a methodical plan!
It has nothing to do with their awful Gaas push, forcing studios to make games they didn't want to, only later to back track and cancel the biggest one(factions), then scale back the number of them being released, and start all over again. Then while all this is happening, fire the president (resigned my ass), and now have two presidents that are working on cleaning up the shit show.
Nah, that can't be it right? it's the master plan that they have been plotting and waiting for the right moment to strike for years now.....now just wait 1 more year...damn Sony how diabolical of you...I should have known.
If Sony doesn’t speak up like Xbox, will Sony stop selling 5 PS5s for every 1 Xbox? These interviews only matter to enthusiasts who are already locked into ecosystems. They don’t affect sales. Same is true for the showcases. Normal people don’t take time out of their day to watch 45 minutes of game trailers.
If anything too much communicating Sony would of shot themselves in the foot like Phil and MS has. Well PS still got lots of console exclusives and this past year has been good. Still on top of stuff that's not announced yet there's still good games coming such as Lost Soul Aside , Astrobot and Phantom Blade 0 at least by 2025. FF7,Granblue Fantasy, Rise of Ronin, Helldivers 2 and Stellar Blade this year so far I'm happy.
While I feel that the [predominantly PlayStation fanboy] crowd on N4G accuse the media of Xbox bias any time they say anything even mildly positive about Xbox or anything even mildly negative about Sony and/or PlayStation, in this case, I have to agree with you. I mean, Ryan may as well have started making out with Phil right there on the stage with the way he immediately started showering him with so much undeserved praise. The showcase was good, but Phil’s track record isn’t.
Phil is all but saying Xbox is as important to Microsoft Game Studios as Surface laptops are to Microsoft Windows and Office. I would say it’s a crappy job to have but he probably makes more in a year that I’ll make in a lifetime.
"In the end, I've said over and over, I have to run a sustainable business inside the company and grow, and that means sometimes I have to make hard decisions that frankly are not decisions I love, but decisions that somebody needs to go make." Let me remind this shit bag and his lap dog cunt Sarah Bond, "Microsoft has a net worth of $3.18 trillion" Phil is just a disgrace to the game industry period I have no respect for people like this.
Health of the Xbox is it’s on life support since MS is essentially a multi-platform company. No need to add an Xbox when most of the games are available elsewhere
I like when Spencer said : "We are going to support the game on other screens. And you are going to see more of our games on more platforms, and we just see that as a benefit to the franchises that we're building. And we see that from players and the players love to be able to play."
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Phil Spencer confirms that more Xbox games will be available on new platforms during a new interview after Xbox Showcase.
That last article where everyone is having a baby over a showcase is ridiculous because the Xbox showcase was really a multiplat showcase...
@Eonjay
I think people are just happy that they gave us something to be excited about. It being multiplatform stuff makes it even easier to rejoice as everyone gets to enjoy it. This show was really what Summerfest should have been, just with less of an xbox focus obviously.
These shows are fun to watch because we get to be excited about new games.
With that said, I imagine Perfect Dark, South of Midnight and perhaps state of decay 1-3 would be possible candidates for ps5. Doom might also be a given. They didn't really try to hammer home its exclusivity.
@MrBaskerville
Totally agree. I did enjoy SGF though unlike the majority. My personal taste is more eclectic than most. I found stuff at each show to enjoy.
Eon
Come on man, yes it’s multi but as a PS5 and switch owner i enjoyed the show yesterday far more than i did with State of Play.
Most announcements came from nowhere to me, and MGS was a massive surprise to finally see some gameplay.
I’m excited to play some of the games on PS5 one day!
Like i said earlier credit where credit is due.
@Eon
That’s something i have to get used to. I have to see it more like when Ubisoft does their showcase vs Days of Play or Nintendo Direct.
I wished some of these games stayed exclusive. Make it seem like my Series X was a more worthwhile purchase. I use it more for backwards compatibility now so it’s not entirely bad.
Where y'at Obscure? https://ibb.co/qWLK4Zp
You sure have been quiet lately! https://ibb.co/Xk7Y5qj
Elder Scrolls 6 for PS5, please. Also I'd like the Forza franchise, I owned all four of the OG motorsport titles and FM4 is still one of, if not my favourite racing game ever.
NO. This can’t be true. The Xbox influencers on X/Twitter & YouTube who got angry at Phil Spencer then forgave him, guaranteed no other Microsoft games would come to PS5.
@ColtEastwood
@DestinLegarie
@SnapBlastPlay
@MrMattyPlays
@RyanMcCaffrey
@VenomUK
I have seen that colteastwood on x. If you look ul embarrassment in the dictionary a picture of him as a example would be there.
I think people deservidly give obscure a bashing on here. But Colteastwood makes Obscure look like a PS5 cultist haha.
Why forget Sunset Overdrive?
Also there are older titles like Dead Rising 3 and Ryse Son of Rome.
Single-player Bethesda games usually gets better over time with future patches and DLCs
Satya Nadella wants that PlayStation's money, Phil Spinster now is as relevant as MySpace
Phil Spencer (February 15th 2024):
"Looking forward so 4 games no promise beyond that, so if you're on those other platforms and you see these four games coming please don't take it as some signal that everything is coming, it's not."
Phill Spencer (June 9th 2024)
'Our commitment to our Xbox customers is you're going to get the opportunity to buy or subscribe to the game, we're going to support the game on other screens. And you are going to see more of our games on more platforms and we just see that as benefit that the franchises we're building and we see that from players and the players love to be able to play'
I won't be buying any Xbox games anyway, Not going to subsidize their vision of changing gaming industry into streaming everything via a netflix subscription and they are the only choice. Remember when it comes to Microsoft "It's us or no one" You can't complain after they have taken over either.
Especially when they "give" it to Xbox users and expect playstation users to pay full price for it. Like second class citizens.
Ironmike
He will be missed, if he wasn't going to be missed Microsoft wouldn't be putting the games on PlayStation.
Make up your mind xbox guys, do you want to brag about Sea of Thieves success on PlayStation or do you want to cry about all your games going to PlayStation?
So, the benefit of having an Xbox is the option of a subscription service that's more like a buffet and not a deluxe plate. By staying loyal to Xbox means day 1 "free" games of your choice. Xbox is a service.
If rumors are true Xbox is going the 3DO route, Xbox is basically a PC. I mean, since PlayStation caved and started using off the shelf parts to "make it easier on developers", which is a croc as were how far into this console generation and the only devs to really support PS5, kind of, is Insomniac, San Diego, and Santa Monica and we've seen nothing from other devs. PS4 was supposed to be easier so PS5 would be even easier, right? But what've we really seen from Sony first party when it comes to PS5 games? Nothing, they're all still possible on PS4. Xbox? Same thing. Hi-Fi Rush was possible on at least Xbox One X (another lie from Xbox with No one gets left behind). Wow
The original comment still stands, as long as they withold one or two series of games on xbox. Most could come but that still wouldn't mean that you could expect every game to arrive.
I suspect they want people to speculate, because then you don't know whether you should wait for a ps5 port or buy an xbox. Every game is Schroedingers exclusive.
The interpretation of his first comment is not to expect more than these 4 games. The interpretation of the second comment is not to expect any game to be exclusive to Xbox.
His communication is all over the place. The fact that we can't decipher what he means is what people are complaing about. He should simply say, games are coming to PlayStation but we don't have a set policy that applies to all titles. Sometimes less is more.
You can go back further to last year’s Kinda Funny interview with Phil. Microsoft has been slowly getting the Xbox user base ready for this. It’s like the parable about putting a frog into a pot of water and slowly turning up the heat. We will be at boiling when Halo comes to PlayStation.
thats what i mean when i say hes a big bullshitter, girl doesnt rly know what hes talking about.
@purple lol that was a nice 720 doughnut, spin around for a month only to turn his back after the heat died down a bit
There’s this small part of me which wants to think that the reason for Sony being so calm lately, especially after Microsoft’s showcase, is because they know this themselves, and they could know more than what’s being said publicly.
But, Lego Horizon is on the Switch. Why is Nintendo the only comfortable one here. They're not even on PC
Stupid take. The Lego game has been made by a Lego studio with advice on the IP from guerilla games. So part of the negotiations/requirements to make it happen will clearly have been done kind of multiplatform release.
That Lego game definitely exists to get kids to want to buy the proper Horizon games on PS5/PS4 (plus the multiplayer game). It's basically a giant advertisement. And kids love the Switch.
nintendo is comfortable because their first party games sell in the tens of millions.
Sony gives them the PS5's development kit so they know exactly which studios are making games for their consoles, or at least they can make an estimate based on the number of kits requested.
People just loves to talk but in a couple of days this showcase will be already forgotten, and by the way 90% of the stuff shown is multiplatform.
If they wanted xbox cash they would allow gamepass on PlayStation 5
Or just let microsoft buy sony as they could without any issues to there bottom line.
@hof
Are you still in your pre 2010 bubble?
Microsoft is a trillion dollar company without playstation sony would have gone bankrupt years ago that is just facts.
Microsoft q1 2024 made 23.3 billion
https://www.theverge.com/20...
sony all of last year without buying a entire company remember q1 2024 for mircosoft as in spring so sony all 12months made 85 billion.
https://www.macrotrends.net...
Microsoft after buying various companies including acrtivison made 212 billion for 2023
https://www.macrotrends.net...
Sony has not made any big purchases were Microsoft continues to do so in the ai space and gaming space even in the military.
So yes microsoft could easily buy sony and not bat a eye.
Their bottom line is irrelevant a Japanese company like Sony is not going to sell out to an American one so you can go ahead and let that little dream die. Kind of ridiculous to make comment such as yours in an article about the fact more xbox games are coming to other consoles, so who is it that's really hurting for cash here? It's rhetorical you don't have to answer, everyone already knows the answer.
@romulus23
Hurting for cash? blinder on maximum
There doing this to make more cash like the court leak that showed ms wanted gamepass on PlayStation to expand its customer base its all about making more cash.
Right now they are losing out on the full pie by having it on the playstation store but if they buy sony then ms get's 100% of the sale.
Also a japan company not being owned by america? LOL you really do not know what happened after the 40's do you
Or want happened to Toshiba recently
If they toss a bag of billions at sony japan they will accept it
It seems the idea is to have other platforms(PS and PC) offset the cost of game pass.
Xbox users get the games on game pass while others pay full price.
Gamepass seems to be Xbox's idea of "exclusive".
These guys are so inconsistent with their messaging. It's difficult to know exactly what they want to do with their games. I've stopped caring. I just focus on the games.
This. When I saw day one on gamepass for every game I asked myself how will they make money? Answer: release on PS5 and get your sales from there and if lucky leople will sub on PC and XBOX. To ensure consistent subscriptions, space out the games. Either way MS has well and truly effed itself and Phil is a snake standing there pretending they all exclusives.
It doesn't make any sense. I'll readily admit that Lego Horizon on the Switch is messed up.
I see it this way. Gamers are upset for Xbox for going multiplatform, PlayStation has been looking at PC, The Show ended up on Xbox and Switch and neither Xbox nor Nintendo stood up for the industry to say "look, that's not how we do business here. That's up to Sony and we respect that because we see it the same way." And maybe Spencer was that desperate for something quality with a reputation to dig himself out of the hole he got himself into. So there's all this stress and strain but, nobody, not gamers nor publishers noticed little ol Nintendo sitting in the shaded and shadowed corner, like Nintendo didn't seem like much of a threat so everyone saw it as the safe fallback to seem unbiased or like they had blinders. But, Sonys releasing on PC with two games on the Switch now and Xbox is going more and more multiplatform every day. But again, why on the Switch and not on Xbox? Why bother going one way? Because Nintendo agreed to a Zelda movie deal? I think everyone's underestimated what Nintendo is really up to. Nintendo is the ONLY console manufacturer who is solely on Nintendo hardware and has always been so. Nintendo Switch is closing in on the PlayStation 2 hardware overall sales and Nintendo is that close and if they can keep the Switch around long enough, will claim lifetime sales and then announce the Switch 2.
Ya gotta admit that a console that has really limited games where the story is always the same with very few IPs is doing that well..... Why? And now, it's neutral ground for PlayStation and Xbox? What sense does that make? Is PlayStation sore over the fact of Activision? Phil Spencer basically lied under oath (not that an oath actually means anything these days, especially for a business man that someone's found a way to justify the lie and his integrity by saying it was an ignorant omission or something like that, it's Washington State, what more would you expect) but, it's odd. Nintendo is sitting nice and comfy..... It's suspicious
Zelda on 3DO, Mario on PC... you are just too young to remember. Probably too young to remember Nintendo ports to Nvidia Shield TV too.
Also, you dont think that means Diablo, Call of Duty 6, Doom, Elder Scrolls Online, the stuff that's already usually on the hardware?
Hold up! What happened to "xbox doesn't have any good games argument"? I'm all for more games going to other platforms. Microsoft had a great showcase of games yesterday. Even the hardest sony fans had to admit it. Good job Phil.
Well the thing is.....they hardly had any. For 10+ years the whole of the Xbox one gen they failed to bring great games. So they bought a bunch of publishers that had established franchises and now they have great IP's.
I disagree. Microsoft has always had good games in my opinion. It's all a matter of opinion. Yes, they did buy some studios but so have sony. Who cares. I just want good games on my console regardless of where they come from.
Well what happened is they bought other studios that had the good games. As long as MS doesn't get too involved with those games they should turn out good.
Basically they bought their way to successful IP. You give me the same amount of money and even I can own these devs and say I make good games.
But the funny thing is you say what happened...someone tells you and then you say you disagree. Very dishonest of you
I disagreed about them not having great games. Of course they bought studios just like Sony has bought studios. It's been happening throughout the industry for a long time now. It's not that big of a deal to me. Devs need publishers and vice versa. These huge AAA games are very expensive to make nowadays. You guys can't be mad at Microsoft because they didn't force anyone into those purchases. Let's not forget sony has used their money to do similar things. They bought columbia pictures and made some big purchases too. Yea, I know it's not gaming but they don't get a pass because it's basically the same thing just a different industry.
I mean they did have to buy up multiple publishers with some of the top games out there on consoles. Throw in a good 4 to 6 studios as well and bam. Far as saying Ms has no good games. The game show showed the future. It's still slim pickins as of right now what's playable.
Ms purchased two publishers with extremely good selling ips. Stop the bs dog.
Funny on X. Last night lots of Xbox fans where rejoicing about the amazing showcase. Some of the same ones that where rejoicing are now angry at Phill for saying this. I completely understand why though.
So many have not realized xbox is just the new sega but these "fans" were not around for the days after dreamcast.
I remember 2001 and 2002. There are many similarities the only difference is XBOX is drawing it out and not being direct about it. Sega pulled off the plaster and immediately took the plunge. And today Sega is thriving.
@hof
For real?
Sega has shutdown there entire arcade centers in japan only made profit from recent sonic ip and has had bad games launches back to back.
There gambling rooms have kept there light's on
https://techraptor.net/gami...
46 billion yen every quater is only 292 million with game budgets/staff they are not thriving but surviving.
There sales drop 70% in 2020 also
https://www.tweaktown.com/n...
Thanks Phil for putting even more game on Playstation. I'll support you and buy them on Playstation lol cheers
it was a shock but some clung to the copium that it was only going to be 4 games.........c'mon now, the trajectory was clear to those reading the room. MS can make more moola putting their games everywhere like sony potentially could but sony's priority is the hardware and its customers in contrast to xbox who don't mind putting their priorities elsewhere.
We'll see. I think he's referring to Doom Dark Ages, Elder Scrolls Online, Call of Duty 6. Doubt it's Forza, Halo, Fable, Gears of War or anything that's gonna still move some Xbox hardware. Once Xbox moves those, Xbox fans will ditch Xbox so they can't go THAT far
I follow a guy called Tom Warren I believe his name is on X. Now I always take rumours with a heavy dose of salt especially when it comes to X. However, He has revealed a lot of stuff in the few months I have paid attention to him. I think he was the first or one of the first to leak that Microsoft was bringing a few first party titles to Playstation and even revealed the 4 games hours before the xbox business update.
Pretty much revealed Gears was being revealed at the showcase (he did say gears 6 though) as well as doom and fable a day or so before the showcase.
He has said over the last few weeks about this Project Latitude. A internal code of IP's Microsoft are releasing on other platforms. Recently he has said Age of Empires 2 Definitive is targeted to release on PS5 in early 2025. Age of matholgy at some point and apparently Halo CE Remaster to release on ps5. As well as previously saying Gears of war (didn't say if it's the nearly announced E-Day or a collection of the older titles are in consideration.
Again I take these rumours with plenty of salt. But he seems reliable
Either way I will take Gears. Im actually hoping it will be a collection of the first three games, I can wait for Emergence Day.
I'd take Gears 1and 2, Halo Reach, Banjo Kazooie, and any other old Rare game they feel like throwing around.
i thought it was four and no more
know phil suddenly wants to bring every xbox exclusive to playstation
So let’s say those four surprisingly made them a few dollars. Is it unreasonable to go back to the drawing board afterwards and bring more games over?
95% of games are on both consoles. A few more aren't gonna really matter. These are business decisions. Nothing more. Sony is slowly doing similar things. Some gamers won't like it but it's the way the industry is headed.
Just because they are doing multiplat, that doesn’t mean all games. I wouldn’t be surprised if a majority of the games showed were delayed or not multiplat at all.
only one game I wont mind playing,and that is one of the gears of war. The rest I have no interest in.
Imagine being able to go on nintendo eshop, download fable 1 but the enhanced 360 version, fable 2 lol that would be dope, fable on the go hell yeah
If it is about making money then MS should put the games on as many platforms as possible as it is clear the Xbox base is too small and Gamepass is not growing at the pace they anticipated, so getting your games in more gamers hands is a good thing to me. MS should stop dancing around this and just rip the band-aid off.
I don’t think Perfect Dark will come to PlayStation and if it does it’ll be a year wait at least. Even Xbox understands the necessity to have some must play exclusives on their platform. Whether it’s Elder Scrolls, Gears, or Perfect Dark, timed exclusives in the least bit I’m betting one or more will remain exclusive.
You don't drop 80 billion+ on a bunch of studios and games just to wall them off on your own console that is not selling as well. If Microsoft wants to make the big money they would be better off focusing on the SOFTware part of their business.
100% agree with you. People on here used the same argument but the other way around when they bought Bethesda and Activision. They ain't going to spend $80billion on these publishers just to put them on all platforms.
It's true that Microsoft probably hoped that getting these big publishers would lead to 100+ million gamepass subs each month. Since that ain't happed they need them other platforms.
I saw this reply on by Phil on twitter -
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/...
From his reply, I actually think making it into a single platform is going to be beneficial for gamers especially when PC games come to Xbox One.
Xbox One has been doing significantly better ever since Phil Spencer took the reigns
The whole gaming division within Microsoft is going in the direction by supporting Xbox and PC
The wider question is, what is Xbox going to become under his watch?
Gonna be an interesting few years. He's just recently announced his intentions of creating Xbox hardware with modular design, like PC affords. With him shifting of the majority of Xbox's defining exclusive games to the PC as part of broadening and tightening their ecosystem, you could easily say that Xbox's future in dedicated software and legacy console hardware is over.
Originally the Xbox was created because most people didnt want to pay for extra hardware on a pc just to play games. So they created a package. The Xbox. DIrect X, the whole shabang. There was a gap between average consumer and technology.
NOW technology has caught up, most standard desktops & laptops by default can push 900p at 30fps SO why not create a universal platform, WINDOWS 10 & then treat games on windows the same on xbox.
Thus making the Xbox more like a Steam Box with components you can upgrade or leave standard. You want 1080FPS? Thats standard. You want 4K? You pay extra for a modular gpu. Simple as that. They will just make it easier to install because going the extra step is too much for most people...you know unscrewing 2 screws to take the front of your pc case off and then 2 screws and clip to undo from the motherboard for your gpu and unplugging it from a 12v rail seems to be way over peoples head BUT anyways...yeah thats where its going