"As Gamers, More of Us Would Rather Get PS4 Than Xbox One Due to Games Line-up, Not RAM": QubicGames

Ravi: "We recently had a chance to speak to Qubic Games Public Relations Manager Mikael Bourget."

[GalacticEmpire]

As much as people want to ignore it, the fact is that PS4 will have a much bigger choice of games at launch thanks to a plethora of Indie and fully fledged downloadable titles.

There's a very hateful stance taking shape that Indies somehow don't count and its a particularly disturbing byproduct of the console war hate.

A game is a game.

[Gozer]

Most people couldn't care less about indie games, because 95% of them are garbage. Most people want AAA blockbusters. No need to pretend that indie games suddenly matter. The last thing I want to play on my new $400-$500 console is a game that could run on a NES.

@ parasite
Ive played plenty of indie games and I stand by my original post. With the ratio of good v/s bad indie games, Ill take my chances of an indie game actually being the best game I have ever played.

@narc
No my opinion doesn't matter any more than anyone elses. If someone wants to spend $400-$500 on a console to play indie games that's their choice. I don't care. But I know most people would rather be playing something that the hardware was actually built for.

[Parasyte]

By taking that extremely closed-minded stance , you are shutting yourself off from what have the potential to be some of the best games you've ever played.

[n4rc]

And what if you have played them and still feel that way?

So what if people don't like them? does your opinion matter more then others? Besides to you of course.

[Idba]

Well then why did MS suddenly try to become so indie friendful?

And I'd choose Killzone, Knack, Driveclub and a ton of F2P games over Ryse, Forza and DR3. But i've gotta say DR3 looks awesome.

[kneon]

But a lot of the supposed AAA blockbusters are also crap, and you pay $60 for them.

Great games and crappy games come in all shapes and sizes.

[believeland6]

I kind of agree with Gozer. First off I do really like Indie games. I think it is a great way to have different varieties on a system. However, most gamers, which are semi-casual now, want AAA games. I think indies are great to support, but launch titles should be your big guns to persuade people why your machine is worth the 400-500 dollars. With that being said, I'm still sticking with Sony. Do I wish ND and SM would have had launch titles? Yes, but I know they are coming and make great games, which is why I'm sticking with Sony still. I know Sony will get the AAA games out, but I do think it was smart for M$ to show the big games even though they probably had to to get rid of the PR disaster.

[malokevi]

Blunt, but echoes my thoughts exactly. I've played plenty of indie games on my 360... and at the end of the day, regardless of how much critical acclaim they get, I can't help but think "well, that was a waste of 10 dollars".

With indie games I usually see no replay value, and often times I can't even get through a single playthrough. Unless something really shines, I'll be sticking with AAA offerings in the coming generation.

[WeAreLegion]

To The Moon
Amnesia
Outlast
Thomas Was Alone
Hotline Miami
Bastion
Limbo
Braid
Don't Starve
Castle Crashers
The Binding of Isaac
Gone Home
Jacob Jones and the Bigfoot Mystery
Fez
Faster Than Light
Minecraft
Journey
Papo & Yo
The Walking Dead
Sound Shapes
I-Fluid
And Yet It Moves
Surgeon Simulator 2013
Dear Esther
Kentucky Route Zero
Magicka
Nexuiz
Roller Coaster Rampage

These are a few of my favorite things.

[abusador]

Thank god!!!! i dont have to just expect indie games then! My number one game that im looking forward to next gen at launch is Killzone which to me is the best looking next gen game and most promising. After that comes Drive Club which i am very interested in and Knack and resogun l;ooks beastly. Ill also be diving into Planetside 2 and a few other FTP games. I am definitely looking forward to indie games like Rime and Transistor. And whats to come which is Infamous easily the best looking next gen game and looks to be an awesome exp., followed by Deep Down!!!! which is up there in my most anticipated and Witcher 3 which is multiplat.

Sorry man but im with the Ps4 because of the way they treated me as a gamer backing ps3 with awesome value and even better hardware and ips not found on other systems that always exceeded or broke the mold! And honestly i prefer Ps4 line up over Xbones any day. Ryse does nothing for me and Forza well its another Forza. Dead Rising 3 looks interesting but repetitive and lococycle lol wellllll The indie game Rime actually interests me more than most those games. Titan fall is maybe the only thing i would say interests me on xbone.

[king_george]

@Gozer

No offense but if by "most people" you mean just yourself then fine but dont assume everyone else thinks like you. Speak for yourself thanks. And stop trashing indie games because alot of them are actually better than some of the supposed "AAA" games out there. Journey (game of the year from a few credible sources) says hi. And you're high on crack if you think it can run on NES

@johndoe11211 below

I agree 100%. Especially the part about supporting them and wtf was he talking about being able to run indie games on nes? Close minded people like this just piss me the hell off. Its one thing to not like indie games (which i would be ok with. Everyone has an opinion), but to go on and say that the majority dont even care for them.... well screw that. Dumb way of thinking

[johndoe11211]

Your close minded, uninformed, idiotic stance on indie games is a cancer on gaming. Please try to run Journey or flower or flow on a NES.

These are the games and companies that help drive the gaming industry. Weather it be on ps4, xbox one or wiiU, these deveopers need, no, deserve our support.

We as gamers should unite regardless of what platform we play on and support these developers. Their games are fun, cheap and provide many memorable gaming experiences. Some have even won awards.

This is the first time that I think I've ever said this but, you should probably keep your bloody opinion to your self because we don't care to hear it.

[True_Samurai]

@Idba MS been indie friendly they were trying to weed out the wack ones that try to copy other successful Indies. Sony are just now becoming indie friendly how come they weren't friendly like they are now in the ps3 era?

[DragonKnight]

The truth is that, when it comes to indie games, PS4 fans are rubbing it in the faces of Xbox One fans because PS4 has more of them and Xbox One fans are hating on them and dismissing them so it looks like the Xbox One has more games at launch than the PS4.

What I know for a fact is that Sony supports their consoles for the long haul, Microsoft does not.

[AlexanderNevermind]

If this gen has taught us anything its that Sony will have the best exclusives. That coupled with the more powerful console gives Sony the edge imo. Indies are a great addition but do not factor nearly as much as the Sony exclusives.

[GiggMan]

Sony could have taken the easy route like Microsoft did and save some of it's PS3 offerings for the PS4 (pulled a Ryse for example)

They could have saved The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, and Gran Turismo 6 for the PS4 launch and this would be a non issue PS4 grand slam. Lucky for MS they didn't and I'm glad they are sending the PS3 out with a bang and have content that is exclusive and built for PS4.

[GalacticEmpire]

@ Gozer, Was going to tear your ignorant viewpoint apart but like 10+ people beat me to it lol, thanks guys.

[Pogmathoin]

Indies are a nice bonus Galactic, but I do not spend $400, $500 on a system to play indies, anyone saying they do are full of shlt. As I said, its a nice and sometimes surprising bonus. I want the big game, the Fallout, Skyrim, COD, Battlefield, GTA or whatever.... thats what its all about. You can launch with a 1000 indies, I will still maybe play a handful at best, so as far as I am concerned, they should not even count as a launch title. I have Ipad, surf the net, check out sport apps, game news apps and so on, and maybe, play a game from the 1,000's of games available. I am not knocking indies, they are nice, sometimes unearth something amazing, loved War of the worlds, old school die and learn a 1000 times game.... but I want the blockbuster....

[Pogmathoin]

John Doe, you put up a good valid argument, and I agree with you as for supporting the indies, even if I do not buy many, but when you resort to saying keeping your idiotic opinion to yourself, that lets you down big time and does not validate yourself, making you look no more than a petty fanboy. Please do not act like the majority here. You make sense and construct a very good argument, which I appreciate. The future blockbusters come from todays indies, and I hope they keep pumping them out, but right now I fear a 1000 clones... Journey was amazing... and so different... we need more of those.... Minecraft... well... still playing away on 360... I hear you argument, but keep it above the others... Bubble up too...

[Kuse]

Totally agree.

[monkeyDzoro]

You are stupid. You are the cancer of this gaming community.

AAA games need a lot of money, a lot of work and development, and they have strict deadlines, and your hunger for AAA is what lead to empty and shallow experiences in most AAA games this gen. AAA games need a rest to be good.
And this is where Indies have the lead. They arent narrowed to those limitations, they allow more creativity and fun.

PS4 has all of this. Ambitious titles who are trying to take new paths : KZSF trying to be more open; DC with new realtime mechanics; return of classic platformer Knack. A huge bunch of F2P and free Indie games through the huge valuable PS+.
Moreover, MS with X1 tried to f**k with us. "WE can't change policies with just a snap". Retailers claiming : 5 PS4 for 2 X1. The next day, MS : "180s incoming guys".

NO ! They'll learn it the hard way. There's no chance I'm buying an X1 (with Kinect), until it dropped around $300, which means near 2017.
SOny with its PS4 offers AGAIN a better value for your money than MS.

[Pogmathoin]

^^And that is the ramblings of a demented fanboy ^^

[Boody-Bandit]

Typical rhetorical don't have it so I don't want / need it / not important.

Sooner or later their side pick up the ball and add it than it's hunky dory / I never said I didn't want or need it but just that it wasn't that important / necessary.

I will take ALL the games I can get (big budget, small, independent, block buster, etc and so on) as long as they are fun to play.

[scott182]

Good thing PS4 has AAA blockbusters coming out at launch too. I prefer indies in many ways though.... There is something about those games like Journey and Flower that are so simple yet almost life changing they are so good.

[Mystogan]

Exactly. 95% of indie games are crap. Indie games are overrated by Sony fanboys because some vocal indies "hate" MS too.

[reko]

@gozer

typical bs comment.

[CYCLEGAMER]

@Gozer,
I totally agree with this, even though some Indies are fun, I am NOT buying a next gen console for them. They can be easily ran on a cell phone, or tablet, and my 360, and ps3 have plenty of Indies.

It is time to see what the future brings, I have been gaming for a while and I can say that if I had to choose RIGHT NOW, I would go with the xb1 for is launch lineup of games.

[CYCLEGAMER]

Half of these people (on this site expecially) are all of a sudden in love with indies, because their system of choice will be full of them. Where was this LOVE for indies when the 360 adopted the concept and brought indies into the market for conosoles? You people are full of it. lol

[The_Con-Sept]

@gozer: I can pull up the indie page on my ps3 to find titles in the top 10. Most of which I own. Many others on my list do the same. I own well over 30 indie titles which is one fifth of my entire library. Ignoring indies only prevents progress.

[GribbleGrunger]

I'd just like to request that X1 fans keep up with the hate of the Indies. Don't stop, please. Tell your friends, your associates, your families and spread the hate online as often as you can. And if you could Tweet Indie devs to tell them you don't want any of their 'inferior' games on the X1, that would be even better!

I support you entirely in your campaign of Indie hate. Help make the PS4 the place to go for Indie titles. Thank you.

[Gozer]

@Gribbegrunger
The 360 has all assortment of indie games. I guess sony didnt get the memo. If you are so in love with indie games, you can have the lot of them. This includes such award winning titles as Try Not to Fart, and The vibrating Controller for the ladies. Enjoy, if you think indies are so great, you can have them without any argument from me. Everyone knows that you dont buy a 400-500 dollar to play indie games. Just because the ps4 hasa weak launch line up and is depending on indies to fill the gap is no reason to result to slumming with garbage indie games. Take them all as far as Im concerned.

[staticdash22]

You are extremely close minded, and it disgusts me as a gamer.

[DigitalRaptor]

Oh god. The things that Xbox fantardism is causing for this industry is beyond expressible.

The fact that you think most indie games are garbage is your opinion and your opinion alone. It has no impact of the fact that games we've seen from the indie scene are more original, creative and unique than 95% of AAA games at retail.

This whole indie hate is a recent development and I can see why.

[johndoe11211]

"The vibrating Controller for the ladies" Exactly what kind of BS DISRESPECT is this??? Are you freaking insane??? Keep your bu!!$h!t talk off of these forums buddy. Who do you think you are bringing disrespectful comments to women like that in these forums?? This site is about gaming, where the hell did that come from? Keep your perverted thoughts to yourself.

[king_george]

Jesus everybody please bubble Gozer down. This guy is a clown and is so closed minded and hateful its just laughable. If ur gonna still sit there and call indies "garbage" when literally MILLIONS of people enjoy them then you arent fit to call yourself a true gamer. if you dont like them FINE but dont spit in the face of everyone that does. Im not a fan of certain games but i dont go around being a di*k to everyone that loves said games. GROW UP A LITTLE

Bubble down Gozer guys he's a joke

[FamilyGuy]

Who are you to claim what "most people" think or want or care about?

[nukeitall]

since when has indie games ever been a system seller.

The vast majority of them isn't something I would spend a dollar or heck 5 mins.

I take the console with the games I want to play on, and that is AAA games on Xbox One until I see a indie game I want.

I haven't found one yet, but if that is all you got to play then well....

[DigitalRaptor]

This is f***ing hilarious.

So now we're seeing the usual suspects negating the kind of games that they touted throughout the Xbox 360's lifespan. Most recent of which - State of Decay and Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons. Both excellent (INDIE) games. Now that for some reason, Microsoft doesn't care any more, and Sony's care for games of all types has reached critical mass, "95% of indie games are garbage"? You can really see the motives behind this sudden lack of interest, and it won't last long once indie games drop for the Xbone at some point in 2014, and its gamers start picking them up and rating them.

I suppose the majority of these idiots spouting the "95% of indie games are crap" rhetoric have played 95% of indie games out there? Right? I mean if they'd ACTUALLY done that, statistically they'd have found a TON of games they probably would've liked.

They somehow think they know what every single indie game offers in terms of gameplay and style even though they've probably played not even 1% of all indie games and failed to realise that despite appearances, they're all unique, more creative and more innovative than most AAA retail games, because indie developers are not under the same strict rules and time constraints of AAA publisher demands. There is no sacrifice to a creative vision that would be butchered by a business conscious or audience sensitive company like EA.
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@ nukeitall

Hahaha. you've seen Killzone: Shadow Fall, you've seen DriveClub, you've seen Knack, you've seen AC4, you've seen DC Universe Online, you've seen Blacklight Retribution, you've seen Warframe, you've seen War Thunder, you've seen Call of Duty Ghosts, you've seen Battlefield 4, you've seen Need for Speed Rivals.

Yet you actually went ahead and used the phrase "but if that is all you got to play then well...". Good god, you are desperate to make things looks bad for the console that is in the best position for the entire gamut of console gaming:

AAA, free-to-play, indie, MMOs. Whereas Xbox only has..... AAA and we all know where most of those games came from.

[garos82]

How the hell do you have so many bubbles.your "opinion"is blatantly wrong.try playing resogun on your nes and let me know how it goes

[Syanara17]

I agree with Galactic Empire, The indie games are going to make a difference when it comes to next gen. I don't think they should all be placed in the same teir as AAA titles however they do deserve their spot and with PS Plus we could see a lot of indie games show up in the instant game collection. This will become especially true after the PS4 has been out for a few months. No im not spending $400 on a PS4 for the indie games, but the indie games are a great bonus and addition to the PS4 library that will make a serious effect on the buying decision for many people when it comes to next-gen.

Indies games are not an insignificant part of the games industry, in many cases they make a lot more money than AAA games when it comes to profit ratio. They do matter and are a source of a great deal of creativity in the industry as a whole.

[maniacmayhem]

What I find funny is that Xbox 360 had the indie channel for a long time now and Sony fanboys dismissed it saying all the games were crap and they wanted their AAA games only.

Now that Sony has all of a sudden embraced indies for their PS4, now indies are the second coming.

It is truly amazing how this site operates and what bandwagon to hop on when a certain company deems it cool.

Nintendo has also opened their console up to all indie devs, but the perception here is that Sony has been doing it since day one.

I mean heck, here's a recent article of indies for this week on 360:

http://n4g.com/news/1374245...

Looks like the indie games are still going strong for 360 and yet everyone is patiently waiting to play indie games for the PS4 when it's released?

And if indie games are all of a sudden so important why not game on a PC where more than half of that PS4 line up comes from?

[mediate-this]

To be fair, most people gobble the fun addictive games regardless if they are snes graphics.

[Eonjay]

With PS4 you get more AAA games and more Indie games. You just get more period. The thing that disturbs me about Xbox proponents is that they try to make the fact that the PS4 has more of everything seem like a bad thing.

[VENOMACR1227]

Thank you, someone with some brains. Just for fun I looked around on Xbox Live at the Indie game section and laughed at almost all of them. I wouldn't pay $1 for any of them. Even if they were free I wouldn't waste my time playing a game someone developed in their basement. Personally I'd rather pay $60 for a real game rather than play a game with a stick character jumping on platforms or something uglier then Atari games.

It's all personal preference. Some people love Indie games, some don't. But I could careless about Indie games.

[Infamous298]

I hate when people say xbone have better launch lineup, ps4 alot of unmentioned games that i am excited for like war thunder and planetside2 etc., and we all know after microsoft get some sheeps on their party, they will stop making exclusive for the xbox one and rely on 1 or 2 games seqeual for sales and then they will make kinect games just like they did with 360.

[Volkama]

Indeed, "best games" is subjective.

Similarly it's annoying when people state that the PS3 had better exclusives than the 360 as a fact. That's subjective too.

[pyramidshead]

I absolutely laugh when people love to downplay PS4's launch line up. It shows great insecurity, not to mention the HUGE irony in the fact that having a supposed mediocre line up has not affected interest in the console or people's willingness to pre-order it.

Seems to me the launch line up is more than enough and if the XB1 launch line up is so amazing why isn't it doing it any favours?

[Godmars290]

More like Sony has more, possibly far more, experience as a first party game developer than MS.

There's also the point that while MS have reversed their policies towards indies, they're still in the act of getting those polices together. Their console will be out before their indy policy is up and running. Meanwhile Sony's have been in place for some time.

[mhunterjr]

Not many of these Indie games scream
"Buy this next gen console" to me. I've seen very few that wouldn't be equally impressive on ps3 or xbox 360.

I think the importance of indie support is being over stated at this point. The only indie title that really has my attention at this point is titanfall... and like most of the other indie titles folks are gloating over, it will also be available on pc.

This generation will play out just like the rest, multiplatform titles will be similar on ps4 and xb1. And the only differentiator will be a handful of exclusive AAA titles, and services.

[Gridloc]

I guess I was unaware that titianfall was an indie game. Might want to tell that to EA.

[malokevi]

A game is certainly a game. But I'm not buying souped up next-gen hardware to play sidescrollers/platformers. I'm buying these consoles primarily for the AAA game offerings.

So, a game may be a game, but to suggest that all games are made equal is foolish.

It's a matter of preference. Maybe there are people out there who are primarily interested in Indie games, but I'm not one of them. So, by my standards, no... indie games don't count. Not as far as incentive for investing in next-gen hardware.

It's more than a matter of counting the number of games. It's a matter of counting the number of games that are interesting to you, and determining which are of the greatest interest. It's not like people don't consider indie games to be games... that's a ridiculous notion.

"bigger choice of games"? yes. Greater choice of AAA exclusives? Not so sure about that one...

I'll be getting PS4 at launch. But, apart from Killzone (and Driveclub, only because it's free) I can't think of anything that I'm particularly interested in.

However, I'm having a hell of a time deciding between Froza, KI, DR3, Ryse, and Crimson Dragon... with Zoo Tycoon as a "we'll see".

[DeadManIV]

The future of playstation is always bright - take a look at what we got on ps3 - the future will hold loads of triple A games AND Indie games - there is something for everyone. Also what you said about indies is kinda offensive - speaking as an Indie Dev. Why would you judge my games because they are Indie? You should definitely count me

[malokevi]

Offensive? OK there, bud. I'm entitled to my opinion, and I don't really care if that offends you.

Put up or shut up.

[Xsilver]

u really have a hard time deciding between Crimson Dragon and the rest of games really crimson dragon http://dualpixels.com/wp-co... this game smh are you serious.

[malokevi]

@Xsilver

While you pick out an image file taken from a single frame, I have actually put the time into reading about the game and what it offers in terms of GAMEPLAY! Which is the reason why I'm interested in it.

We aren't all graphics whores.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

It's not about all games being made "equal." If you have fun with a game, what does it matter how big the team was that made it? Sidescrollers and platforms? Warframe, Blacklight, Outlast, Daylight, Everyone's Gone To The Rapture, Amnesia, War Thunder. Do these look like simple Sidescrollers to you? The keyword is variety.

[Xsilver]

@malokevi please get that BS out of my face gameplay of that game is just uninspiring i wasnt referring to the graphics BTW its a on rails game and xbox fans wanna insult indie games but praise this GTFO.

[malokevi]

I could just as easily reverse that statement and throw it back at you.

http://www.xbox360achieveme...

Easy to be dismissive when your an Xbox detractor and a troll who doesn't care enough to learn about a game before dismissing it outright.

And calm down, already. Who are you trying so hard to convince?

"i wasnt referring to the graphics BTW"

so... what was the point in posting a single screen shot? ...lol

[Xsilver]

@malokevi that screenshot was to make sure i got the right game and i wasn't missing something that clearly you're seeing and i'm not we both know you're the troll on this site lol ,i've seen gameplay of that game and if you have a problem choosing the other X1 exclusives over that then i don't know what to say a on rails Kinect game especially since it looks like child of eden but with dragons i mean if thats your style go nuts. but ill take indie games over kinect games any day of the week thank you very much.

[CanadianTurtle]

@malokevi
I agreed to everything in your comment except when you mentioned Ryse. That game is probably the worst demonstration of next gen gameplay most of us here has ever seen. Seems to me that you really have no interest in gameplay like you claim

[GTgamer]

@malokevi cares about gameplay but wants Ryse and Crimson Dragon this guy is hilariously bro stop calling people trolls when your a troll.

[LiViNgLeGaCY]

Crimson Dragon? Now I KNOW you're just biased. That game didn't just look bad graphically, it looked incredibly boring as well.

[DeadManIV]

Often on these comments purple acknowledge that ps4 is more powerful but then they say the xbone has a better launch lineup, well, the people have spoken

[infectedaztec]

A game is a game....but if you had a choice of playing TLOU (imo the best AAA game on the PS3) or Journey (the best indie game imo) which would you chose?

For me AAA games are worth so much more than indie games. I hear you replying 'but you can have AAA and indie games on the PS4' which is true - for me though MS offer the best AAA experience whereas Sony offer the best indie experience. Theres nothing wrong with that and yes there are some good AAA and indie options on both.

For me though I want Titanfall over Octodad, I want the Order over Below. I will always go to where the best AAA games are. For me (and its fine if your opinion is different) its XB1

[Taislin]

If you really go for best AAA titles, you should buy a PS4. The amount of AAA exclusives Sony had in PS3 is ridiculously higher ( and IMO more varied and generally better)than Xbox360.

[dcj0524]

I'd obviously choose Journey. I support ThatGameCompany to the end. Their games are absoloutly incredible. I enjoyed The Last of Us but Journey is something special.

[Funantic1]

Nothing but AAA here. I don't do indies.

[DigitalRaptor]

And you are exactly what is wrong with the industry and its reliance on bloated AAA budgets with rinse-repeat gameplay over fresh ideas and creativity. This is where Sony and the other companies like Valve who pioneered the way people bring their games to gamers, have it right.

I suppose you only listen to the musicians on the big corporate labels like Universal, Sony BMG and Warner? I suppose you only see the big budget explosive blockbusters, rather than the films with actual substance, over style and tremendous budget costs?

[RadioActiveTwinky]

The funny part is some people dont even realize they are playing an Indie game. It is only when they are told that they are lol. Just like WeareLegion Posted. Those are all indie games.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

And a good game is a good game, whether it's exclusive, multiplatform, indie, digital download, or "AAA." Like you said, it's disrespectful that certain circles in the gaming community will completely disregard an entire group of games, just because they're indie or f2p, as if they don't exist.

[stavrami]

russian roulette is a game also but its still frowned upon

[Blaze929]

oh lets not pretend people are going out to spend $399.99+ to play some $9.99 indie games....

lets not pretend indie games have somehow become system sellers all a sudden.

lets not pretend that indie games have been winning game of the year awards

lets not pretend gaming websites care about indie game focus when featuring articles and discussions.

lets not pretend. Know why? Because majority of people DO NOT CARE.

I still to this day don't know what the PS4 launch line up is 100%. Excluding indie games - because I personally, do not care. As far as disc based $59.99 titles go, you all really think PS4 has a better launch line up?

Killzone Shadow Fall is hot and I'll definitely be picking that up. I won't take that away from Killzone. But that's all.

[GalacticEmpire]

Lol

Screaming "NOBODY CARES!!" because you personally don't care is one hell of an argument.

Meanwhile Octodad is grabbing the attention of casual consumers at expos all over the world.

Indies matter, they may not have the bestest of the best gwafix but the experiences are just as deep, if not moreso, than most AAA titles.

[king_george]

Just because YOU personally dont care doesnt mean OTHER PEOPLE do not. And i want some hard FACTS to prove this bulls*** that some of you people keep saying that the "majority" of people dont care for indies because i can tell you right now that me and a lot of people i know DO love indies. Its a huge benefit to have them on ur console of choice regardless of which console that may be

[DigitalRaptor]

Awww... You are so desperate to downplay indies cause it's one of the strengths of the PS4.
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" lets not pretend people are going out to spend $399.99+ to play some $9.99 indie games...."

They're not. Indie games are a part of the overall lineup.
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"lets not pretend indie games have somehow become system sellers all a sudden."

Like the previous point, they haven't. People buy a gaming console for the scope of what it offers.
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"lets not pretend that indie games have been winning game of the year awards"

Is it just me, or did The Walking Dead and Journey not win GOTY awards just last year?
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"lets not pretend gaming websites care about indie game focus when featuring articles and discussions. "

They are. Whenever a new indie game is announced it appears on the feeds on IGN, Gamespot, Rev3, TheSixthAxis, and the majority of sites that report gaming news across the spectrum. These sites are also getting interviews with indie developers and writing previews of indie games in amongst the other AAA games.

Just a handful of recent articles featured on the home page of these sites. I could've posted a lot more. And nearly all of these are all in the past 24 hours.
http://www.ign.com/articles...
http://www.gamespot.com/art...
http://www.edge-online.com/...
http://www.gamesradar.com/s...
http://www.computerandvideo...
http://www.computerandvideo...
http://kotaku.com/steam-ear...

If they don't care, then why do they post these articles? And why do so many large gaming sites report on Kickstarter campaigns, when those are indies making them?
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"lets not pretend. Know why? Because majority of people DO NOT CARE."

The majority of people don't buy gaming consoles at launch. The majority of people don't read gaming websites. The majority of people don't care whether a game is "game of the year" or not.
--

You are just so full of crap. So to summarise...

Indies are NOT a system seller. You need to get this around your head. What is a system seller is DIVERSITY and VALUE. No one is pretending that indies are PS4's saving grace. They are a piece of the pie. Sony has more than the holy trinity. Just like PC, PS4 has the options that Sony has decided to allow for.

AAA, free-to-play, indies, MMOs. See what I mean?

Shouting "no-one cares" is pretty funny when more people have pre-ordered the PS4. More people (when asked) are getting the PS4, and PS4 will be the leading console of this generation in terms of popularity and support. And this is regardless of a launch lineup that you personally see as better. Most of us hold the ability to observe historic trends are well aware that launch lineups have never been the judge of any new console.

[TheTwelve]

Sony has invested far more into games than its two rivals, and at it's impossible for them to catch up unless Sony decides to slow down. PS4 is coming off of some serious PS3 momentum, which is something people tend to forget. This gen isn't a brand new start for the competitors. The WiiU and X1 are results of how their previous systems ended the last gen.

[GalacticEmpire]

This is the root of the Indie hate, PS4 has loads of small studios on board and Xbone doesn't. Ever notice how all the people hating on these small teams are Xbox "fans".

[3-4-5]

Launch titles are even, but over time from what I've seen, I'm more excited about the potential games coming to PS4 than Xb1.

I've been an xbox gamer from the beginning but the choice was easy for me this gen.

Eventually get a wii U as well, but not until smash is out.

[UnHoly_One]

It has nothing to do with the "console war", but my personal opinion is that Indie games are mostly junk and have zero effect on my purchasing decisions.

[Hicken]

Most AAA games are junk, too.

Edit: And if anybody doesn't see all these MS guys now saying "indies suck" after praising them all this time on 360... I don't even know what to say to that. Almost to a man, they're disregarding indies, yet you could likely look back through their comments to find them praising the same indies on 360... if their accounts are old enough.

Of course, nobody- or very few people, anyway- is buying a next-gen console SOLELY for the available indies. But you'd be a fool- and I see MANY of them here- to not include them in your judgement. They're still games, dammit.

Or do they only count when they're available on the system you want?

[UnHoly_One]

They only count when they are good.

Which is about 1 in 500 indie games, in my experience.

[Hicken]

Have you played 500 indie games and only found 1 to be good?

Cuz I don't think I've played that many(certainly, there are likely some I don't know are indies), but I've found far more than one in that smaller number to be good.

If you've played a Half-Life, The Walking Dead, Minecraft, and Journey, you'd have to have played 2000 indies. to find just those four.

Have you played 2000 indies?

[UnHoly_One]

Hated half life, hated minecraft, hated journey.

Walking dead was "ok".

And no I haven't played 2000 indies, but I was also being hyperbolic a little bit, obviously.

[isarai]

Saddest and most annoying part is just about every journalist and internet show hosts/guests ignore them to. There's a MASSIVE shit ton of games that'll be there at launch compared to any other launch lineup ever, yet no one wants to acknowledge that they're there when it comes to comparing the two consoles launch titles.

[BallsEye]

I actually take XO on launch thanks to better lineup IMO. Indies? I couldn't care less, especially that I can re-create all of these or even some really huge AAA games in Project Spark (which is free). Picking up ps4 probably next year when something will come out that will get my attention.

[strickers]

You people are an issue. You represent Bieber, Soap Opera and the middle of the road. You are short sighted and lack any spark . Glad there are more and more than want varied, interesting and exciting smaller games, while still loving the carefully chosen AAA. The future is all games

[BallsEye]

@strickers

I don't watch TV, I don't listen to happy radio songs and I don't give a flying F about some american teen with gay haircut. I'm in development myself (graphic artist) and I am all for independent studios but I wasted so much cash on such sh!tty games that made totally no sense that I just don't care anymore. If I see some good indie that really looks like talented people are behind it, I just might give it a try, but it will be 1 among 300 bad titles. Now I'm gonna cash out around 800 euros for the release date so I expect some awesome next-gen titles there...later I might try some less WoW-factor stuff. It's matter of prefference.

[Pain]

Indie games are great.. brain dead Xbox defence force are not.

go play in traffic trolls.

[Automatic79]

From general conversation that I have with friends they are not buying these systems for indie games. They are buying them for Triple AAA titles. I personally think that both systems are going to offer great indie titles but I have to agree I am not buying an Xbox One for Indies. I am impressed with the launch lineup and beyond that is why I choose xbox one on day one.

Also I read many comments when it comes to games that come out on Xbox one like titanfall that I can play that on PC. Why is that not said about the indie titles coming out on PS4. Practically all indie titles can be played on PC right now. No disrespect to PS4 gamers.

[Rimeskeem]

Lol and people still call it the indie station for some reason

[sigfredod]

Agree 100%, even if the PS4 was weaker on specs and only 4 gddr5 ram, i'm still choose it for the games, 1st party publishers from sony simply rocks

[Hanso]

same for me brother

[hankmoody]

Yeah but... Xbox One has the better and more interesting launch line up. At least to me, it does. Even if I was a PS4 loyalist all the way, I'd still say the very same thing.

[hollabox]

Yeah 1st party games is something MS has let slip away with only a handful of blockbusters. Unlike this generation MS will not have the multiple platform advantage making the system an harder sale for $500.

[SniperControl]

That is your personal opinion, to me there is not one 1st party game i like on X1.

"Even if I was a PS4 loyalist all the way, I'd still say the very same thing."

What a fanboy thing to say!

[hankmoody]

My stance is, I'm getting both but I tend to favor the Xbox side. This current gen, I've got the Xbox 360 and the PS3 sitting side by side but I just generally prefer the Xbox over the PS3 for multiple reasons. Most of my gaming falls through the 360 with my PS3 getting more usage for Netflix, Vudu and Blu Rays. I really do try to sit on the fence in regards to the XB1 and the PS4 and observing both, I've narrowed it down to the XB1 as my primary choice. The PS4 is an impressive system no doubt but I'm just not seeing the games there to catch my attention. That's not to say that they won't arrive at all which I'm sure they will but until that time comes, I'll be playing on the XB1. It's hard not to sound like a fanboy when you're trying to defend your opinions on here but hopefully this gives you a better idea of where I'm at.

[Majin-vegeta]

"This format war, if you want to call it that, is a marathon, not a sprint," Gara said. "We're coming out of the blocks in a strong position, but we're conscious that is nowhere close to job done, and we have to continually improve the proposition, proving what PS4 represents."

-Fergal Gara

Nuff said.

[Lboogieskells]

I respect your opinion, but I'm not interested in any of the Xbox One's exclusives except for KI. There are so many more games I'd rather play that will be playable day one on the PS4.

Outlast
Resogun
Samurai Gunn
Killzone SF
Driveclub
DC Universe Online
Injustice
Warframe

This is my "perfect day"

[hankmoody]

Thanks for being civil about disagreeing with me. There's no reason why we all can't give our opinions without being rude to one another. Bubble time!

[strickers]

Good for you. 2nd Rate best em up ( and always was), Dead Rising games look good on paper but are dull. Forza is a good game but not for me.
PS4 has far more variation and huge numbers of announced , quality looking games....... in my opinion. Regardless of system. Some XB games look good, like Quantum Theory

[Idba]

The thing is that there are sooo many F2P games on the PS4.

Deep Down, Resogun, Planetside 2, Blacklight and Warframe just to name a few.

This and the price gap is the reason i chose PS4. Im 14 and i havent got shit, so since February ive been saving up and the only game im buying on launch day is BF4.

[jhoward585]

I Would Rather Get PS4 Than Xbox One b/c Sony show us game demos while MS show us very little game demos.

I like to see what I'm buying before I buy it....

[infectedaztec]

Yeah I loved the demo for the order at E3....

[Deathdeliverer]

Infected you obviously have not seen The Orders gameplay screenshots. They have demos of that, jus not openly yet. When you see that it looks just as good as that trailer you will have to recant. Reminds my of Gears of War in on of the shots with really high detail.

[infectedaztec]

Screenshots of gameplay does not equal demo...my comment was in response to jhoward586 claim.

[jhoward585]

@infectedaztec

YOU:
Screenshots of game play does not equal demo
----------------------------- -----------------
ME:
Screen shots?? That's real funny.

At E3 MS showed a bunch of trailers and very little game play footage for most of their games.

we haven't seen any game play footage for Quantum break, sunset overdrive, halo, titan falls(running on x1), etc.

we get very little 3rd party game play video ruining on the x1.

Need I say more???

[CanadianTurtle]

@johoward585

I absolutely agree! The gameplay trailer for The Order 1886 was outstanding! Oh wait....

[okmrman]

i have to feel the controller first before i decide
i have a ps3 and the joystick is horrible, not to mention the triggers

which is why i stuck with the 360 for all of my gaming, especially online.

if the ps4 controller feels better ill definitely get the ps4 over the xbox one

[OrangePowerz]

The controller feels a lot better.

[okmrman]

thats your opinion
ill decide when i feel it
thank you

[OrangePowerz]

That the PS4 controller feels better compared to the PS3 controller is pretty much a fact. I haven`t seen anybody who tried the controller at any event saying it`s on par or worse than the PS3 controller.

[hankmoody]

It all depends on the player. I don't think it makes sense to claim that one controller is outright better than the other when it really comes down to the individual player and their comfort with it. I prefer the Xbox 360 controller over the PS3 Dualshock simply because the 360 is weightier as opposed to the Dualshock which feels a little TOO light. Then again, there's people that swear by the Dualshock over the 360's controller. At this time, both controllers are getting a ton of love. I'm really interested in checking out the XB1 controller and seeing if it really does make playing Forza 5 an amazing experience. I'm also interested in the Dualshock 4 to see what the touchpad brings to the gaming experience. There's a whole lot to discover next month!

[bunt-custardly]

I feel humbled and perhaps a little elitist getting both consoles when they launch, but at least it's an investment to last many years of gaming.

[IcicleTrepan]

Same with me. I'm not so impressed with Sony's launch lineup - I think Xbox One has the stronger launch lineup - but I know Sony will be bringing some great games over time (as they both will) and so I got both systems.

[Deathdeliverer]

I am also going to have both consoles on launch day. While I plan to get all multiplats on my PS4, unless I have more friends on XB1 getting a particular game, I cannot miss out on top notch exclusives. I am among a very few people left to have the illness called beingagameritis. It will only get worse when I go on vacation next month to medicate myself from the 14th to the 26th. Constant doses of Killzone, Knack, Killer Instinct and Dead Rising 3 (the latest strain) will be amongst the medications. Pray for me. The current medicine from my vita, wii u, ps3 and XB can only keep me healthy for so long...

[obelix01]

There are just no ps4 games that interest me. Zero. The only game I really wanted to play on Ps3 was The last of us. I do plan on eventually getting a ps4 when it has more interesting games & I'm not talking about Indie games. I'm not saying the ps4 won't be a great console, because it will be. However Microsoft just has the exclusives I want as well as a great online experience that's already been established. This is just my opinion. I'm sure I will get plenty of dislikes. Oh well.

[Taislin]

If TLOU is the only game you really wanted to play for PS3, then I think you should look trough the library again. TLOU isn´t even in my top 10 PS3 games.

[Deathdeliverer]

How can anyone say that the online experience is better on XB1 when they have not tried it yet? Every online console has been completely different when it comes to the online interface as the one before it. For better or worse there will be changes. If you believe for one second that Live or PSN will be the exact same as last time, you probably haven't been gaming for long. Sure it stands to reason that if it wasn't broke don't fix it, but look at windows? (Windows 8 is so confusing) Look at Demons Souls Online compared to dark souls (Way better in Demon), Look at the 2013 Camaro compared to the 2014? (I think they ruined it) Point being that things change. I cant judge or choose a system or anything for that matter on how it USED to be. I look at the 2 consoles for what Ive seen, what the developers are saying because they have seen, and what a bit of google research can reveal. Whats new, changed, the same, and even the INTERFACE is unknown on XB1 ver. of Live. A bit more has been explained about PSNs changes but we are still in the dark. Bottom line, its cool to say your opinion is live on 360 is better than PSN on PS3 or that online was better on XB than PS2 or gamecube, but impossible to declare one better than the other because of past iterations. Look at how close MS was to having DRMLive. That itself was a HUGGGGE change and validates my entire post.

[DigitalRaptor]

It's just how they work. They look at one generation, and expect that Microsoft are this untouchable corporation that will never f**k up anything they are doing. I've seen Sony stumble enough times to know this is never the case or expectation to hold.

It's the same default belief they had that Xbone multiplats would be better.

It's the same default belief they had that Xbone would be a stronger piece of hardware.

It's the same default belief that the Xbone would have better support.

It's the same default belief that the Xbone would have more exclusive DLC.

It's the same default belief that more people would buy an Xbone and that it would be more popular.

It's the same default belief they had that Sony were going to fail and exit the industry.

It's the same default belief they have the Xbone in-house developers can compete with Sony's.

--
These guys are so caught up in in Microsoft's ecosystem that they can't look at the areas that Sony has easily caught up with and surpassed. They look at current PSN and think that because XBL had cross-game chat, PS4's network is somehow going to be this network that they just can't get on board with. I just see it as these people are so invested in XBL that they are blind to anything else. And it's true. Most of them have indicated that they actually believe it's a PS3.5 that only plays games and that online is not an area that matters to Sony.

[Deathdeliverer]

I agree with you raptor although it's a 2 way street. Early on people assumed PSN multiplayer would still be free and touted it as fact. We all know how that went. Admittedly I myself see more Xbox fans singing that everything will be the same, fact still remains that gamers on both sides are guilty of closed mindedness. Luckily Sony has cleared a ton of fog on their side. Cross game chat, paid multiplayer for games that aren't free, next to nothing behind the paywall for gamers like my dad amongst other things. Oh next month will be blissful.

[Salooh]

Games are all about taste . So it's not a bad thing if you prefer X1 exclusives , as long you are fair with judging ps4 exclusives. For example : some blind fan boys will say the graphics in second son or shadow fall is not good. That's just dumb.

I'm the opposite , i prefer Ps4 exclusives over X1. MS don't have a good history with exclusives , that's one of the huge reasons that makes me avoid buying X1. The only 2 games i'm interested in are titanfall and quantum break which have a high chance for coming to the pc so if i want to play them i will buy a gaming pc not X1 .

[isarai]

I find that just about every person that says that has not really looked extensively at sony's library, they just glance at the biggest exclusives while the huge library of amazing exclusives get overlooked. there's an exclusive for everyone on Plsyatation, you just gotta look

[OrangePowerz]

Launch lineup I would probably give to the Xbone, but Sony has the better studios and many of them didn't even show yet what they work on.

And if the last 2 generations anything to go by than MS will reduce their support for core gamers in a few years like they did on the original Xbox and 360 where they started of with plenty of exclusives amd later focused on casual games and their usual 3 franchises and barely anything else.

[us_army]

Where we can look is history. Look at the last 3 years on both PS and Xbox platforms. Look who had more games, more variety of games, and more original IPs.

There is nothing wrong with another Gears of War and a Halo, but this runs dry to many people. That is why the stereotype of Xbox gamers being people that buy COD, NBA, halo, and gears and thats about it is even a thought.

In the long haul Sony has some of the best studios out there, and seeing what ND and Sucker Punch can do will go a long way.

Now, with a different argument, why are people hating on things that they havent played themselves. Me personally, I have had alot of hands on time with both, and PS4 controller is up to par with X1 one now, if not better in some regards.

As for games I will simply say this, Forza was amazing, looked and played great, and definitely won me over, yet Ryse felt so clunky and did not look next-gen (not enough to justify 500$) and Deadrising had framerate drops that a blind man couldve seen... On PS4 people are missing out on Killzone as this one looked to be the most next-gen game I have seen yet thus far. Stunning! DriveClub was fun, but wasnt forza, and Knack is a good change of pace. Assassins Creed 4 looked better on PS4 as well, and Ubisoft has stated that development was smoother on PS4. So, until people can test things out, and give a rational opinion, do not make a decision based on brand loyalty. I know which one I have decided upon, and it has been a long story of winning my wallet, and it goes all the way back to February.

[Haules]

Launch lineup I would probably give to the Xbone really?

PS4 10 Launch games

Killzone SF
DriveClub
Knack
Resogun
Warthunder
Blacklight: Retribution
DC Universe Online
PlanetSide2
Warframe
Tiny Brains

Xbone: 6 Launch game

Dead Rising 3
FM5
Killer Instinct
Ryse: Son of Rome
Zoo Tycoon
Crimson Dragon

[Deathdeliverer]

You forgot Injustice Special Edition (all dlc and updated GFX as a PS4 exclusive and Octodad. All I know is that KZ, Drive C, and Knack are paid off as well as Dead Rising. I cant find anywhere to preorder Killer instinct box version so I can get the Original KI(arcade ver.)

[lifeisgamesok]

I'd say the Ps4 has Killzone SF (just being lenient) DC universe, and Warframe

Those other games don't look so well but with respect to Sony

Uncharted will be phenomenal

[DiRtY]

Yay $2 sidescrollers or free to play games...

99% of the indie games suck. #Dealwithit

[etownone]

Xbox One has a better launch line up.

It just does.

The only thing on ps3 that looks great is Killzone.

[MCTJim]

I agree that the X1's launch line is better..but I will be getting the X1 and two games at launch...1 exlcusive and one cross platform. Ps4, only game is killzone. My wallet wont allow for more than that just before the Christmas Holidays.

[Stevino123]

What about Infamous? Beyond Two Souls? The Last of Us and Uncharted? It's a shame, because you're a biased piece of - I'll stop myself but, since when was the 360 Graphically Superior? They can't even get 900p on Battlefield, so why say that? And these are all facts, and is proven by many comparisons. You make me sick.

[etownone]

Wtf you babbling about?

I just saying that I believe the Xbox One has better launch line up then Ps4.

That's it... And you go naming ps3 games? Lol

Go play in traffic kid. You obviously got issues.

[Stevino123]

You just said "The only thing that looks great is Killzone" Which makes me believe that you possibly could have some mental issues. Clearly, you have never seen a PS3 game. Are you saying that Uncharted looks bad? Or The Last of Us?
Beyond: Two Souls looks terrible? God of War? These aren't just "PS3 Games" They are IPs, with sooo much potential with the PS4 coming out. And it's sad, because Xbox doesn't really have any exclusives after launch, other than Halo and Gears of War. The Specs don't even compare to the PS4, I mean, Honestly, it seems like you live under a rock. Get your head straight, then come back and talk to me.

[etownone]

@Stevino

My bad... I was talking about the launch line up...

I meant to say, the only game that looks great for "PS4" IS Killzone.
(not ps3)

[Hicken]

Pay attention to your own comments, "kid."

"The only thing on ps3 that looks great is Killzone."

By the way, the only thing on XB1 that looks great is Forza(relatively speaking).

[deathstriker]

Neither of their lineups are all that great. There's really no reason to get a next-gen system this year other than the experience of getting one IMO. Knack and Ryse look lame, I don't care about driving games (Forza/Driveclub), and Killzone has never been all that good. DR3 could be good, but it's not worth an immediate purchase.

[strigoi814]

its all about the spice of having best first party studios, Sony did put their trust and money on theirs

[Hanso]

ps4 for me easily. Why?
Because:
Sony Santa Monica
Naughty Dog
Sucker Punch
Quantic Dream
Nippon Ichi
The Tales of Jrpg Devs
and many more..

[JuniorCE]

Me too... My favorite games are from first party studios... :-D

[IcicleTrepan]

The tales of series is one of the big reasons I enjoy my PS3.

[Volkama]

What is the best tales game to play for someone that hasn't tried any?

[chrissx]

Everything about Ps4 from exclusive games to the controller to its power makes it the logical console for any true gamer

[FrigidDARKNESS]

I doubt there is some credibility to this article some bad reviews from playstation gamers on ps4.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[strickers]

Those are mostly bollocks . I've seen most of the console launches and PS4 looks very good. Pad is outstanding

[brew]

Having Killzone SF at launch is pretty BIG , and having inFAMOUS Second Son in February is HUGE. What if things were flipped ?

Xbone launch and Q1 exclusives -

Halo 5 (looking good)
Driveclub
Knack
F2P and indies
Alan Wake 2 (looking amazing-open world) - February
-
PS4's launch -

Gran Tursimo 6
Dead Rising 3
Killer Instinct (or Bloody Roar if you will) - DL game
Crimson Dragon - DL game
Ryse - lol

I'd be sticking with the PS3 until Killzone+inFAMOUS showed up myself , and I'm sure most Xbone fans would be thrilled to have Halo 5 at launch and Alan Wake 2 early , and wouldn't be craving the PS4's great launch lineup of GT6 , DR3 , KI , C.Dragon , and Ryse (lol).

[lifeisgamesok]

I'd get Rime and maybe Outlast but that's enough Indie for me

Ryse
Halo 5
Quantum Break
Dead Rising 3
D4
Black Tusk game
Fable Legends
Titanfall
Killer Instinct
Max and the Brotherhood
Forza
Sunset Overdrive
Project Spark

Probable future exclusives

Crackdown 3
Gears of War 4
Alan Wake 2
Conker

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Former Epic president Mike Capps joined Remedy on Alan Wake board of directors.

[lifeisgamesok]

That's cool I really do hope they make the sequel after Quantum Break but who knows, Quantum Break might be so good that I might want them to make a sequel to that 1st lol

It's such a great time to be a gamer

What do you think Microsoft Japan studios are working on? Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey would be nice as well as Jade Empire

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Lost Odyssey would be awesome. I'm expecting an MMORpg and or action adventure style game.

[strickers]

You are listing imaginary games, from unproven devs. That's the true mark of a fanboy

[AceofStaves]

That's one of Sony's greatest advantages over the competition. Not only does it have a strong slate of support from small-team devs, it has a decades-long history of delivery incredible so-called 'AAA' exclusives. It's not as if the PS4 is only getting indie and FTP games. If it was, then the bitching about indies would have a point. But it's not. There will be plenty of big exclusives as well. The smaller games will prevent the drought between 'AAA' releases.

That's why I prefer the Playstation brand. It offers me the most varied gaming library, so I'm sure to find something to my taste.

[bub16]

Im choosing PS4 because its clear where Microsoft want to take gaming

[Pingasmobile]

It's stories like these that just aren't needed.
We know that the Xbox One is more catered to people who don't play video games. Their push on TV integration, fitness programs, and Kinect proves this. That said, we need to let people be able to choose what they want without having to go to great lengths to justify their purchase.

[MightyNoX]

Hmmmm

*looks at Xbox One trailer showcasing NFL*

*looks at PS4's trailoer showing games*

As a gamer, I know I'll be picking the PS4. :)

[drsfinest72]

I still say Xbox one is a better console for my preference

[Sadist3]

I'm not choosing systems, I'm choosing games because that's what I usually play. Doesn't matter what system it comes out for

[isarai]

People who dismiss indies are not gamers IMO, a gamer should be looking for good games and shouldn't give two shits about it's budget or where it comes from let alone what label is put on it. to me indies are on equal ground if not higher than the biggest AAA games in the industry because they are products of passion and show great creativity and give gamers what they want without insulting there intelligence. A game is a game whether it's indie or not, and PS4 has far more games coming to it most of which i am highly anticipating

[srd4484]

Gamers aren't paying $400+ to play Indie games.

[isarai]

i am : /

The Witness
RIME
SOMA
Transistor
Outlast
Everybody's Gone to the Rapture
FEZ
Contrast
Abe's Oddysee: New n' Tasty

Are all higher on my anticipated games list than any of the AAA games besides maybe the Order, but i don't know enough about it to really place it anywhere. And i also know dozens of people in person that think the same and even more online.

[McScroggz]

Yeah, it's too bad Sony doesn't allow retail games to be played on the PS4...

[JuniorCE]

I must say Sony is doing a fantastic job... So much content and for free... With the PS+ :-D Even if you don't buy a game, you are going to get a 15 days trial on PS+ for free... Well done SONY!

List of every game that will be available on day one.

Available at retail and as digital download from PSN Store

Assassin’s Creed 4: Black Flag
Battlefield 4
Call of Duty: Ghosts
DriveClub (PS+ edition available at launch)
FIFA 14
Just Dance 2014
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Knack
Lego Marvel Superheroes
Madden NFL 25
NBA Live
NBA 2K14
Need for Speed: Rivals
Skylanders: Swap Force
Injustice (only on PS4)

Digital Download from PSN Store

Basement Crawl
Blacklight
Contrast
DC Universe Online (Free with PS+ at launch)
Doki-Doki Universe
Flower
Hohokum
Minecraft (Free with PS+ at launch)
N++
Pinball Arcade
Planetside 2
Pool Nation Extreme
ResoGun (Free with PS+ at launch)
Super Motherload
Tiny Brains
Warframe
War Thunder

Pre-Installed
The Playroom

On day 1... I believe that the PS4 has the lead!!!!

[Stevino123]

Gozer, what is Minecraft? Slender? Amnesia? N+? And a plethora of others? What are they? Indie GAMES, they are all games and we play them, and you can't say you don't like them. Sure, AAA Blockbusters are cool and all, but it's still just a game. I don't know why everyone argues, because we all know that the games we usually get are multiplat, haha.

[KingKevo]

The games, yes. and not just for the launch or launch window, but way beyond that. If the 360 has taught us anything, then that MS might eventually give up on good and/or new IP's some time after the launch while Sony keeps supporting their platform with great and new titles and I guess that's what a lot of people are expecting to be the same this next gen. MS does mainly rely on 3rd party games and exclusive deals (like CoD DLC or even games) to sell units and focus on other stuff while Sony's focus will be games mainly.

[Izzy408]

I could care less about indie games. Most of them go unnoticed anyways. If wanted to play indie type games I would cancel my next-gen preorder and settle for an Ouya.

[sak500]

If you own a smart phone you can play all these and 10000s more.

[jessupj]

It's correctly said "I could NOT care less".

Saying it the incorrect way you did actually means you have to care at least a little.

I trust now that I have pointed out the grammatically correct way of using this statement, you will use it correctly in the future.

[Izzy408]

Mr. Matthews, my old english teacher, is that you?

[SilentGuard]

I'd rather get the PS4 because it doesn't require me to spend an extra $100 for a worthless accessory I have no desire for.

[slampunk]

Why isn't Gamingbolt a banned site..... Every day Rashid puts up a flame bait heading article on N4G with little to no substance!

What a bottom of the barrel scraping website..... Boycott it people.....

On subject topic, both have a lot of good multiplats, but as someone getting both XB1 is winning in the first year IMO for exclusives....

[sak500]

Good for you. But I'll carry my achievements and friends list to xbox1. No need for half cooked online or achievements / crappy controller / updates taking hours / when you have already enjoyed 8 years of great games and online content and best exclusives and Multiplat games.

[slampunk]

I have no idea what your reply is meant to mean in reference to my comment?

I'm getting an XB1 and i was commenting on Gamingbolt being a shit website!

[jessupj]

...inferior multiplats and exclusives.

I fixed it for you.

[urwifeminder]

Got through my gaming life without sony no need to start now no game they have has ever made me want one.

[McScroggz]

No offense but what kind of games do you play exactly...

[urwifeminder]

Should google games on other platforms sony is not the only one who makes games.

[McScroggz]

Out of the history of PlayStation if you really haven't found one game that interested you then either you just started playing games yesterday or you're trolling. My guess, the latter.

[urwifeminder]

Born in 1973 been gaming for a long time I just hated its popularity a lot of games I don't even know about on the sony systems I just shut off when people talk about it now.

[Max-Zorin]

I plan on getting both. Gamers game on. Fanboys die!

[SaulGoodman]

Amen to the article's title. I'm getting a PS4 because I like their games. Examples: Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, ect. That said, if I feel like buying a Xbox in the future, I will. Hopefully without the damn Kinect.

[BobBelcher]

Gamers (who are 'core' enough to have accounts on gaming sites) are actually the minority compared to people who own gaming consoles, so while this might be true according to the minority, no one can really speak for others.

[McScroggz]

Personally I love the variety in both retail and indie/downloadable games for the PS4. One thing I don't understand is why so many hear indie for the PS4 and automatically assume it's some random selection of games off of Steam. Most, if not all, of the indie games for the launch window of the PS4 were carefully selected for their quality. Sure, it may still be a mixed bag for gamers (some LOVE Beyond: Two Souls and some HATE it); but to me I feel like indie games are unequivocally the most creative games in our industry and instead of having to slog through hundreds to find the games Sony is selecting them for us! How is this bad? Plus the PS4 has some pretty sweet looking retails games to offer as well.

It's all down to preference really. Microsoft has some good looking games. So does Sony. But let's stop acting like only retail games count because my favorite game from last year was Journey. Or maybe The Walking Dead.

I think you get my point.

[jah-Fu]

Definitely does not reflect that here.

[stellarock420]

i love indie games.think about it where did the creator of uncharted start off doing he was making indie games for years before naughty dog came into it. most people in game design they all started off making indie games.so think about it you see a indie game on psn it looks interesting but you don't buy it for the simple fact its an indie game take note of this most indie game devs work for them self so money made from there game pays them directly in witch helps pay for the next game and to make it better maybe the next uncharted we wont know if we don't buy or even play indie games because that is where our uncharted the last of us halo call of duty battlefield that is where they come from.so play indie.no need to play what you don't like but play what looks cool what interest you.there is no need to be selfish and dont play and or buy an indie because its an indie game.then look at the other side of indie there are devs that have been making AAA games for years they go home and make there own games the games they want to make for them self or there own vision of a grate game then they get it on psn or live and make a little money or give it away from the pure love for video games. and who knows that little game it could be seen buy anyone played by anyone it could be the next big game.so i ask you to think about all of this when your thinking about that AAA game you want or this awesome game that came from nothing just like uncharted did to becoming a AAA game of the year.so play your indie games and play your AAA games it don't matter just remember where your game came from how it started off.thank you for your time to read this.

[Dowie]

i'm personally more excited about the potential behind the studios that sony own but have yet to make any announcements.

Naughty Dog, Media Molecule and SCE Santa Monica are all big cards held by sony but they've yet to play them. Those three alone could offer AAA exclusive games that will easily sell the ps4.

PS4 looks amazing at the moment but the future looks even better.