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PS4 RAM: Sony Didn't Lie, Let's All Just Hush-Up About It

GaminRealm: "New rumors surrounding the PS4′s RAM have surfaced this past week claiming that 2-3.5 gigs of RAM will be dedicated to the operating system. These reports have thrown gamers and tech-heads alike into a flux, with YouTube, articles, and message boards being lit up by this controversy. But why?"

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Rearden1094d ago

Even if the PS4 uses 2GB of RAM for the OS, that's a lot, lot more than the PS3, which uses under 50 MB.

MariaHelFutura1094d ago TrollingShowReplies(52)
CEOSteveBallmer1094d ago

This SPOON guy is a joke I'll quote him: "Titanfall look volumes better than Killzone". Im sorry but even an xbox fan would admit Killzone shadow fall is leagues better than titanfall graphically!!. Titanfall is a current gen game but with a next gen counterpart on xbox one. I saw the full trailer on E3 and im dissapointed. it has flat textures and still has jaggies. Even the Last of us is slightly graphically better.

HammadTheBeast1094d ago

Agreed, it's running on modified Source engine (2004) so it should tell you, the original CoD devs haven't really left their roots.

IcicleTrepan1094d ago

I'm getting both systems, and to me they look about on par with each other.

MRMagoo1231094d ago

Looking at all the screen comparisons skips linked above the ps4 games look miles better, look at the shots of ryse vs infamous lol they are shameful to took at because it makes the xbone ryse games look like it is really just a port from the 360 imo, i think anyone saying that ryse looks better should seek an eye doctor.

Thomper1094d ago

I think Titanfall looks better than Killzone, and when I say that, I mean it looks like more "fun"

Lets not forget kiddies, Titanfall is nowhere near finished yet, so hold your horses!

Spoons1093d ago (Edited 1093d ago )

Wow... you completely missed the point of my post. In fact many people have. I don't have any convictions regarding who beats who in graphics I was just saying it is obvious that Maria selectively chooses her examples wisely. So much so that she picks the crapiest pictures of titanfall to match the best pictures of Killzone.

But when I do that the reverse way, even a game like killzone looks like crap compared to titanfall.

Have you been following me at all. I'm not even part of this stupid "war" (first world problems). I am not getting a new console because I cannot afford both.

But since I started visiting this site to get information on next gen I have seen Maria spewing completely biased arguments.

And guess what, I major in Law, and a lot of arguing is involved. I can tell when someone is being very biased. I just hate to see her talk all this nonsense that is clearly opinion based when people literally take it as fact.

I'm trying to show people how opinionated she is while cleverly disguising it as facts. A few articles ago I exposed one of her fallacy's in her comment yet she still got over 100 likes? Really?

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TomShoe1094d ago

Great article.

I have to agree with you about the fact that the specs and power of a console only matter to a certain degree. A console should really be judged by your experience in using it.

This rumor was probably blown out of proportion that the fact that Sony has been nigh-invincible since E3. People that have had good experiences with Microsoft (not fanboys) have been hearing nothing but bad news about their own machine, and when the competition finally appeared to have a chink in their own armor, they were willing to jump on that flaw immediately, so they could have something tangible, something objective to hang their hat on. This doesn't excuse Sony people either, because they should quit slandering a console that's already been panned nationwide.

All these rumors and crap don't matter. We'll find out who's really superior come launch day.

pacostacos1094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

good article... no matter what the ram whether 4,5,6 games will look great the same goes for the xbone. People just want a higher number so as to say were better than the competition without understanding how ram actually works and how the other components and software contribute to the overall picture. I have no idea what Sony has done/ given to individuals for them to have (some sort of) passionate loyalty to a piece of unreleased plastic. Such loyalty to the point of downplaying and/or lashing out at every piece of news for the competing platform. Both consoles will be great each will have great exclusives and no matter the Winner will always be Gamers!

Shok1094d ago

Exactly. You seem to have understood and caught every single point I made. Thanks for reading!

iconic561094d ago

Games will be great.

But one of the reasons why we obsess over numbers so much is that we know for a fact, financially speaking, Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony want their consoles to stretch as long as possible... spokespersons are saying 10 years.

10 years is a long time, and the better these "numbers" are, the further the industry can evolve with these consoles before games tech starts becoming apparently stagnant. We'd be fools to think PC gaming isn't effected by this.

Even though potentially cloud-computing could really help prolong the life of these consoles, despite the fact that Cerny doesn't think it'll ever be a factor and Microsoft does. Extra ram alone could be a deciding factor of how well these consoles handle all that cloud-processed data coming in.

DARK WITNESS1094d ago

you say that as if the MS fans are more reasonable about their loyalty to their bit of plastic.

I have been on xbox live gold for 8 years, last gen I owned both systems but used my ps3 for mostly blurays. This gen the ps4 will be my main console and now look at it more and more as an outsider when I look at xbox fans they are just as bad.

You are right and I do believe it's the whole picture of hardware, software, talented devs etc.. etc.. that will see the long term success of the systems and it's taking all of these factors into account that has lead to me shifting over to the ps4.

both sides have their fanboys who are just as passionate and loyal to their respective bits of plastic.

pacostacos1094d ago

theyre not but hardcore sony fans are by far the worst this still stands true today
http://www.destructoid.com/...

theWB271094d ago

They didn't lie. But when they announced the ram why didn't they say how much was used for what? Cerny announced there would be 8 gigs of ram in the PS4. Then stressed and stressed and stressed how much of a gaming machine this was. As if they weren't wasting any power on superflous operations like the X1 was.

It was misleading is all. Which is what Sony is good at. Make a broad announcement and not go into details.

KwietStorm1094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

There was nothing misleading *in the very least.* You, for whatever reason, took it that way just because, they stressed that it is a gaming machine? Oh and because Sony is apparently good at being vague? That's your reasoning? You truthfully are sitting there saying that 8GB of RAM is a broad announcement? The OS obviously has to run on something other than hot air. Realistically, it doesn't matter how the numbers are divided, because we're just the end users of a proprietary gaming system. People just want to hang onto the teraflops and the ramz and the compute units so they can beat their chests about how dominant their console is. These numbers do not mean anything for the gamers in this sense. That stuff is all for the developers, and the PS4 and Xbox are both very capable of running quality games, regardless. If Sony was being broad about the RAM, than what is Microsoft? I cannot stand the gaming community at times. Truly can't deal with the politics introduced, ever since the internet went mainstream.

theWB271094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

The very definition of mislead is- cause(someone) to have a wrong idea or impression about someone or something.

When it was announced the system would have 8 gigs of ram they didn't tell what was used for what. If specs didn't matter, then they wouldn't hold an event as big as E3 in order to announce these machines. If all this mumbo jumbo about specs and ram and herts and whatever wasn't important then we wouldn't be informed of anything now would we?

The reason information is released to the public is because we want to know what we're buying. We want to know why we're spending as much money as we are. We want a reason to upgrade from the systems we have today. Knowing how powerful the systems are is part of that equation. Knowing what the system looks like is another part, knowing the interface is a part, knowing the controllers, knowing everything we can about the systems is a part of gaming. Specs included.

So the numbers DO matter to the gamer just as much as the games matter. We want to know everything about our machine of choice.

If you can't stand the gaming community for wanting to know what they're buying and getting behind then you can Fish it and quit the internet. Believe me, the internet will go on.

I honestly don't think most of the users on here really get offended by what another random person on the internet chooses to game on. It's called a debate, it's fun, we go at one another. At the end of the day, I doubt too many people's days are ruined by someone choosing an X1 or PS4.

@AznGaara
Like Microsoft went into detail about the Cloud? We know how the developers are using the cloud. That's the part that matters. The developers are coming and telling us how they're using it and that matters more than what Microsoft can say.

AngelicIceDiamond1094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

@Storm "Realistically, it doesn't matter how the numbers are divided, because we're just the end users of a proprietary gaming system. People just want to hang onto the teraflops and the ramz and the compute units so they can beat their chests about how dominant their console is."

Well said, Well freakin said.

The same stuff happened when PS360 were introduced and its funny how quickly people have forgotten about specs when they were both finally out.

Only to be reminded by "Lens Of Truth" from time to time. "Console A version looks better than console B version!"

News flash people, you aren't thinking about GDDR4 5 6 7 8 10 RAM when playing badass next gen games.

drsfinest721094d ago

its definitely misleading. just like when you buy a HDD . it says for example 40GB HDD then in fine print that it would be less than that caues of the OS and stuff. the average joe would think hes getting all 40gb

AznGaara1094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

Like how MS went into detail with "The Cloud" right? Please, don't single out Sony for doing something that both companies do.

Actually here's how vague Sony has been:

"We would like to clear up a misunderstanding regarding our "direct" and "flexible" memory systems. The article states that "flexible" memory is borrowed from the OS, and must be returned when requested - that's not actually the case.

The actual true distinction is that:

"Direct Memory" is memory allocated under the traditional video game model, so the game controls all aspects of its allocation
"Flexible Memory" is memory managed by the PS4 OS on the game's behalf, and allows games to use some very nice FreeBSD virtual memory functionality. However this memory is 100 per cent the game's memory, and is never used by the OS, and as it is the game's memory it should be easy for every developer to use it.

We have no comment to make on the amount of memory reserved by the system or what it is used for."

KwietStorm1094d ago

Yes, that is the definition of misleading. But we are talking specifically about the supposed misleading RAM situation, which there was none. As I said, the OS quite obvious needs RAM in order to operate. I have no clue where the 7 gigs for games even started from, but it's completely ridiculous to think that some of it would not be reserved for OS operations. And when I said the number don't matter, I'm talking to the degree that this whole lunacy has turned into.

theWB271094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

It is lunacy, but I use it for a good chuckle cause I know at the end of the day I'm hoping my lucky stars I can own both consoles again next gen like I did this gen.

@AznGaara
We've known about how the developers were using the cloud since the system was introduced.

We found out about the ram a day or two ago.
The PS4 was announced in February. 5 months ago.

Microsoft announced the cloud and developers are letting us know how they're using it.

Sony announced the ram, the devs didn't come out and say how much they were granted to use. Neither did Sony.
There is a fundamental difference there. We know what the cloud is being used for. We didn't know, until a day or two ago, anything about the ram other than there being 8 gigs worth.

AznGaara1094d ago

Wait wait so when a Dev says "the Xbone's cloud is used like this" you go "Yeah MS doesn't have to say anything"

But when another Dev says "you don't have to worry about the Ps4's RAM" you go "well Sony hasn't specified" Please...

Ezz20131093d ago

and the fact that Most dev did deny that 4.5GB Rumor
all of them are using from 5GB to 6GB out of 8GB

it's really more like

Dev says "the Xbone's cloud is used like this" he go "Yeah MS doesn't have to say anything"

But when another Devs says "we are using 6GB of Ram on our games"
he go "well, Sony hasn't specified and lie"

AznGaara1094d ago

Yeah there IS a difference, if this were a bigger deal you'd think it'd be a problem earlier. But guess what... its not a big deal. If it were then Devs would have been complaining about it a lot earlier. We'd hear more stories about Devs complaining about it. Thats another point I'd like to make... NO DEVELOPER IS COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS. The only reason why Devs had to clarify how they used the cloud because people were so confused by the whole idea in the first place.

MasterCornholio1094d ago

BINGO

No developer is complaining about the PS4s hardware which is why we shouldn't worry too much about it. If they were complaining about the RAM amount, CPU or GPU like some Wii U developers then we would have a reason to worry about the system.

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joefrost001094d ago

I would agree with you about sony making broad general statements and then let there fanboys and the internet try to interpret them
But they didn't lie to be honest I dont think anybody with common sense about computers would have even believed sony if they did say 15 min of video recording, streaming, OS, ect would all be done with 1gb of ram if it did it was going to be slow as s**t
MS was upfront about there's but they are the one with the secrets LOL

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Megaton1094d ago

It's reserved for potential OS additions. The current footprint is reportedly pretty low. They couldn't add cross-game chat to the PS3 because they didn't plan ahead with RAM. They don't wanna get caught with their pants down again, so they're being very liberal with reserved space. Simple as that. Besides, 4.5gb of GDDR5 is overkill for games right now. Even 4.5gb of DDR3 is overkill. I think a lot of people don't quite understand what RAM does.

kaozgamer1094d ago

Agreed. That and over time they will reduce the ps4's os memory footprint just as they did with the ps3(I believe at launch it was 120mb and now it sits at just over 50mb).

sAVAge_bEaST1094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

Exactly, Ram is what you are using to do real time data access, from graphics to physics, to sound and lighting.
OS side, it starts big and gets small,, (window's vita_exception.) - The Main Fact is that the Ps4 has room to grow,.. it was built that way.

Don't forgot that Ps4 has a custom Audio card to compress and decompress audio data, taking away from ram weight.

SpideySpeakz1094d ago

I said something similar to this. People need to chill out. Sony is future proofing their system, and I would do the same.

ANIALATOR1361094d ago

actually they didnt add Cross game chat because microsoft patented the easiest way to have it. Vita has it but its different to how microsoft uses it and probably the same to how ps4 will use it

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hyperfire211094d ago

Wait a second... Did anyone read this guy's article??

"Multiplats will still look and run better on the PS4 as opposed to the Xbox One regardless."

How does he know this? Is he a developer or is he a fanboy himself?

Shok1094d ago (Edited 1094d ago )

Denser, faster GDDDR5 RAM vs. DDR3
2 of the 8 Xbox Once CPU cores are reserved to the OS.
The PS4 has a stronger GPU.
Ubisoft has already confirmed AC4 will be the best console version on the PS4.

Why wouldn't the multiplats look better?

PFFT1094d ago

We will see once the game releases if this still hold true or not. Ive heard that before and once the game released the outcome was a totally different story.

hyperfire211094d ago

Hmm.. By the way Ubisoft mentioned ps4 will have superior immersive graphics and wind simulation. They did not mention whether compared to current gen or xbox one specifically.

Are you a dev? Why do u care how many cpu cores are reserved for the OS? You should be arguing these points after the game launches if by that time you even care anymore of these spec wars.

Benchm4rk1094d ago

Did you have a link where they confirmed that. I remember reading something similar but I interpreted what they said differently. Don't remember them mentioning the Xbox one. From what they said I thought they were comparing the ps3 version to the ps4

gamertk4211094d ago

All we know for sure is Halo 5 will look better on XBox One and Uncharted 4 will look better on PS4.

joefrost001094d ago

yeah like they confirmed watch dogs would be better on the xbox one I read both them statments and I still think they were in both cases comparing them to current gen

Thunderhawkxbox1094d ago

Lol of course they gonna say it they got Sony money in their pocket and he was comparing ps4 with this generation console not Xbox one read first

BG115791093d ago

You should add that the PS4 even has dedicated processors for the OS and the sound treatment...
It may not look much, but it's two things that the main processor won't have to deal with.
It's the small things that make the difference...
Bigger/better processor.
Better/Faster memory.
Little helpers for the mundane tasks.
More memory for gaming, 6Gb comfirmed, and the OS may still shrink, like in the PS3.
The PS4 seems to have all the advantages for gaming.

And don't talk about the laggy cloud, ok, it laggs!!!

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