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Xbox 720 Devkit Specs Detailed, Includes 16-Core Processor, AMD Radeon HD 7000-series GPU

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''Discrete sources have confirmed to Xbox World Magazine that Xbox 720 devkits were shipped to various developers in March, and have detailed an impressive set of specs for the next generation console.''

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mrshooter2k124820d ago

Powerhouse console confirmed if true

JonahNL4820d ago

Don't overestimate the next generation, though. Various companies have mentioned that the graphical "jump" to the next generation won't be as big as the one we had in 2005.

I hope the next generation will focus on proper multitasking. With 16 cores that's more than possible. Each core can handle a specific task.

PLASTICA-MAN4820d ago

That is cool to read. So even the multiplatform games will look phenomenal, let alone exclusive games.

limewax4819d ago

That's some serious fanboy glasses there Carlito, You really think MS will release a console weaker than the current gen.....So why would they even release one? There would be no point.

And by the way the Wii-U below PS3? Dream on, I can link you to some pages providing info showing the Wii-U is expected to be at around 6x the power of the current gen, reliable sources. But that would break you heart

Mr_cheese4819d ago

@limewax that's not going to be true. Devs have been reporting that the wiiU will offer the same graphics as a ps3 but won't be capable as much.

Ocelot5254819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

what are you talking about ? Firsly : even single core cpu's can handle multitasking (trough timesharing for example, this isn't the 80's you know)

secondly, the current gen can already do proper realtime multitasking, on the PS3 you can spread 14 threads (6 vector processors, and each one can handle 2 threads at once + the PPU) and on the 360 6 ( 3 cores, 2 threads / core).

Dante1124819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

LOL, 16 cores? I wonder how much this will retail for if true? $600-800 console confirmed.

Also from the article

"Discrete sources at GDC also confirmed to the publication that developers expect Sony’s Playstation 4 to be more powerful than the next Xbox, and that various studios are aiming to unveil their next generation software at E3 2012 in June"

Calling BS on this article. If the PS4 is gonna be powerful than this (16 is already kinda unlikey) what will it have, 32 cores and 4 GPUs lol?

MAJ0R4819d ago

SIXTEEN CORE PROCESSORS for $600-800? Try over $2,000. The i7 990x is a 6 core proccessor and it retails at around $1,000. I just refuse to believe this.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel...

Dasteru4819d ago

@MAJOR:

That doesn't mean anything. AMD already has an 8 core CPU for $250

http://www.newegg.com/Produ...

Also cores are only 1 small aspect of determining how powerful a CPU is. Simply having 16 cores doesn't necessarily make it more powerful than another CPU with half as many cores nor does it automatically make it more or even as expensive.

Also remember that this isn't being released til the end of 2013 based on current rumors and with the evolution of computing hardware every 4-5 months. chances are the CPU used in Durango will only cost MS about $50 per unit in bulk, If that.

NewMonday4819d ago

this could explain something:

"..Kinect 2 could chew up four whole cores tracking multiple players right down to their fingertips, so it’ll need a lot of power.”

is their a possibility the NexTBox could rune a closed version of W8? that would be one curve ball

MaxXAttaxX4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

"Discrete sources at GDC also confirmed to the publication that developers expect Sony’s Playstation 4 to be more powerful than the next Xbox, and that various studios are aiming to unveil their next generation software at E3 2012 in June, regardless of whether “Microsoft and Sony are ready or not.”"
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So we will be seeing next-gen games and tech demos this E3 already?
I know it's a rumour. But I also hope to see new info on next gen systems.

superrey194819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

16 core processor? I don't think so... not even $1000 pc cpu's have more than 8.

@dasteru

4 core Intel i7's smoke AMD's 8 core cpus.

IaMs124819d ago

i could see this coming true. Just because its 16 cores doesnt make it the best thing, it just means it can multitask very well. Its engineering, maybe this redesigned console with 16 cores may not be as fast as a 4 core CPU but it might be more efficient at handling things.

arjman4819d ago

Carlito, you're fanboy-vision shames your namesake, Carlito Caribbean Cool, you're not cool (spits apple in face).

Dasteru4819d ago

@superrey19: For general processing yes they do and that is exactly my point, More cores does not necessarily mean more powerful or more expensive.

As for gaming, it has been proven time after time that most Intel CPU's only give a slightly better performance in games, Most games simply aren't coded to fully utilize all that extra processing power. I remember when the i7 980x first came out there were some bench tests that showed it getting on average about 2-3fps better than the Phenom II 965.

meetajhu4819d ago

You got they way wrong on how multi core works. Every thread of job is evenly distributed among all the CPUs.

OccludedGamer4819d ago

is this really what were expecting? check out the price on it, how is that possible?

http://www-03.ibm.com/syste...

fr0sty4819d ago

Dante, you don't have to have more cores to be more powerful. Case in point, current 6 core PC chips are a good bit more powerful than the 8 core cell that launched in 2006 was. The reason being, Cell's cores are not full fledged processor cores, but SPUs (essentially DSP's). So, there is nothing saying that the 16 cores in this rumored chip will be full fledged cores, or that each of those cores will be all that powerful. You can't just take a number of cores and extrapolate overall power from it.

esemce4819d ago

Yeah better Ai, physics and 1080/60fps.

BattleAxe4819d ago

PS4 is definitely being designed by aliens.

decrypt4819d ago

Its called getting console gamers hyped. This has been done before only to under deliver significantly.

PS3 was supposed to play games at 1080p and 120 fps, see how accurate those statements were.

You could have a 32 core CPU, ask any PC gamer it wont make difference in games. What really makes a difference is the GPU.

All of us PC gamers know AMD makes crappy CPUs, yes they might have 8 cores however they get out performed by dual cpus from intel when it comes to games. Now if they are saying 7000series GPU, it can mean anything. It could be a 75XX - 76XX GPU, which tbh is pretty gimped.

Console gamers should really be asking for more transparency, they always tend to get fooled when it comes to hardware and specs.

DeadlyFire4819d ago

With rumors we must take this with a grain of salt. As for the 16-cores. Do they mean 16 threads or 16 cores? If 16 threads then its a 4 core - 16 threads its Power7 CPU if 16 cores then its definitely Power8 CPU. As for thread count for 16 core Power8. I expect at least 4 SMT threads per core which equates to 64 threads. Unless this means Power7 8 core times 2 for Xbox 3.

sikbeta4819d ago

16 Cores? It's a beast! Welcome home XBX3 :D

zag4819d ago

The CPU would be utter hogwash.

The 360 uses a 3 core intel CPU.

The Cell chip made by IBM is a PowerPC chip by design.

Currently intel don't make any 16 thread or even 16 core CPUs, this even goes for the server/business side.

They do make 8 core CPUs that have 16 threads but these CPUs are around $2500USD and not sold to households.

Having 2 threads per CPU isn't the same as 2 cores, and probably slows the core down as i has to deal with 2 items at the same time.

I've seen benchmarks of twin optron 8 core CPUs in 1 system with tri-crossfire setup with the fastest GPU cards at the time.

and the CPUs weren't the bottle neck it became the motherboard itself as it simply couldn't push enough data around, the CPUs never got to 100% and the GPUs never did as well.

Even when overclocked it it didn't make any difference.

When you have a multi-thread program run on win7 perm then that program is able to use all cores without any problems as it's windows that handles the threads not the program.

alas I highly doubt this xbox will have 16 threads or cores.

nveenio4819d ago

I don't believe this. Unless, of course, they're using a processor like the CELL. Which would be ironic if it's true that the PS4 will be x64 based. Can anyone say "role reversal"?

DARK WITNESS4819d ago

I love it when a new gen is about to start and all these stories start to crop up and all these great conversations about specs and all that.

I an't got a clue about all the tech talk and specs, but it's great reading and it's me all excited!! I just can't wait for the end result, but at the same time I am not looking forward to somethings like the amount of milking and crap.

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GamingPerson4820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

fake..

@ZidaneNL
ok! but more kinect is bad..

JonahNL4820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

CPU's for consoles are custom made and are by far not as expensive as standard, retail CPU's that we can purchase.

NCAzrael4819d ago

@ZidaneNL

There is absolutely nothing different on the manufacturing side of CPUs for consoles that makes them any more cost efficient than CPUs for PCs. If anything, the manufacturing for a console CPU is less efficient (note: I did not say more expensive, there is a difference) thanks to the fact that they don't have a mass market to ship to outside of the console manufacturer. All that "custom made" means is that they don't follow any current manufacturing specs, which means that they have to dedicate an entire fabrication line to a new architecture and get nothing out of it in return.

dark-hollow4820d ago

1- make an article about a non existent console.
2-make the "leaked" specs sounds very strong or weak to attract hits.
3-say its from a "trusted source"
4-????
5-PROFIT!!! LITERALLY!!

ProjectVulcan4820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

Yup. a POWERPC chip with 16 cores isn't really believable either for this console- plus everyone talking about threads then they are a very distinct thing from hardware 'cores' which was clearly said in the article.

The largest and fastest Power7 is an 8 core. It does have 4 way SMT.

Developers don't want to spread their code over 16 cores and 4 times as many threads. It is fairly unrealistic to imagine a console with even a 16 core version of a POWERPC this year or even next year.

Even a custom part with that many cores does not fit into IBM's roadmap.

More cores has never always = better too. Focusing on the numbers of each core or thread versus the actual capability of such a core and CPU as a whole is a mistake.

Tr10wn4819d ago

^ yup i remember the Pentium 4 era where no ones believe in dual cores, thats impossible they said, lets lol now, Microsoft had the money to do it if they want and if they make a deal with AMD then is possible, still a rumor IMO.

ProjectVulcan4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

When did no one believe in dual cores in the pentium 4 era? Who said it was impossible? I would love to see you show us where you didn't just make that up Tr1own.

There had been embedded duals for a very long time BEFORE Pentium 4, and in fact it was a PowerPC, POWER4 as the first non embedded dual core, over a decade ago now- just as Pentium 4 launched.

Microsoft's money is not relevant in the case of this article, it is about IBM. Because as i pointed out, there are no single die 16 core POWERPC7 designs around to be in a devkit right now (as claimed saying the 16 core CPU, singular) and no 16 core POWERPC designs expected for at least a year....

Clearly then the idea the machine will have a 16 core POWERPC chip is rather suspect IMO. If the architecture was not specified as POWERPC then it is not impossible or unbelievable as there are other chips around. But as it is an architecture that doesn't exist right now but is apparently in devkits already then colour me suspicious.

adorie4820d ago (Edited 4820d ago )

lol 16 cores!? http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Doubt it's true. Sounds like that is specified for devkit only and not what they will be putting out in the retail sector.

stragomccloud4819d ago

I'm thinking someone mixed up cores with threads. 16 simultaneous threads is very impressive though, none the less.

SantistaUSA4819d ago

It is more likely to be 8 core cpu and 16 threads, that's more believable anyways.

NeloAnjelo4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

Yes, but will there be games to play? We don't need 16 core for Kinect games. Give us some core games Microsoft.

hazardman4819d ago

Earlier rumours this yr. said the kinect 2 would have its own processors, would the extra core have anything to do with it? I'm not a tech wiz, just trying to gain some knowledge...

oNIXo4819d ago

Kinect games are for core gamers. Haven't you seen the Xbox line-up for the next year?

stragomccloud4819d ago

I remember when the first Kinect was supposed to have it's own processor...

ruiner44824819d ago

Wasn't everyone complaining about having 7 different threads to code for the ps3??

kaveti66164819d ago

PS3's devkit didn't automatically spread the work among the 6 SPUs.

360's devkit had a compiler that did.

Malice-Flare4819d ago

confirmed is the antithesis of rumor. besides, i beginning to think MS and Sony are letting 3rd parties run their mouth because they know something's going to leak eventually. might as well FUD it...

tee_bag2424819d ago

Well I hope its true. I'd like to see the next gen console/s have some impressive specs. They need to be to last a 5-8 year cycle. I don't mind paying abit more for quality future proof hardware. What I don't want is a console with mid range consumer PC specs.

Blackdeath_6634819d ago

if you read the whole article at the bottom it says,
"Discrete sources at GDC also confirmed to the publication that developers expect Sony’s Playstation 4 to be more powerful than the next Xbox"
we will have to wait and see which console is the powerhouse but you completely disregarded the possibility of ps4 tech being even stronger.

The_Con-Sept4819d ago

16 cores? HAHAHAHA!
Radeon 7000 comparable? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (ffb)Nvidia again?..(/ffb)
Blu-RAY! (There isn't enough space for that many "HAHA"'s.)

This is a total HOAX!

Seriously with an educated guess add that up in your mind how much per unit that will cost.
(ffb)And remember Microsoft needs to make a profit off each unit sold like the 360. And be POWERFULL.(/ffb)

16 cores? They mean the Wire Speed processor? This is new technology. No price set yet. Best estimate?

3,000 a piece. (Remember... HIGH END PROCESSOR...)

But lets say its a 16 core processor with each core at only around 1.1 GHz per CPU... Then 900 a piece. (And only comparable to an Intel i3 dual core @ 3.8 GHz each.)

NVidia is probably the GPU choice this go around since it is "comparable to the Radeon 7000 series." Since this GPU doesn't have a name and is new technology... Best estimate?

600 a Piece to start.

Blu-Ray....... (Where to begin?)
Would Microsoft actually consider paying royalties to a competitor? REALLY? Ok lets just say they really go with this choice.

75 a piece.

So if it is a super duper upper decker makes you feel like your eyes just got salt and peppered....

4 grand per unit.

3 thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine US dollars!

Seriously.... this rumor needs to be killed before someone gets embarrassed....

adorie4819d ago

don't forget, the cost of hardware is substantially lower for these gaming companies since they are usually contracted to buy in bulk.

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yourfather4820d ago

now that's stupid
maybe the medias can say nextbox have AI next time
rumors lol

360GamerFG4819d ago

If you're going to troll, at least do it in English.

torchic4819d ago

what exactly was he saying? o.O

Nyxus4820d ago

Sounds a little too good to be true... but I hope it is!

DA_SHREDDER4820d ago

Now when it comes to a machine that only does third parties, the saying, might as well just get a pc comes to mind, especially since even their "exclusives" come to pc too. So you xbox fans that already can't wait for next gen, guess what, next gen has been here for years already.

jaymart2k4820d ago

And only very few games look leaps beyound the consoles.

When 90% of the games are leaps ahead then will talk.

Heck, most of the developers still haven't maxed out the graphics this gen.

Arnon4819d ago (Edited 4819d ago )

@DA_SHREDDER

You are clearly butthurt.. and..

@jaymart2k

I'm going to assume you don't even own a gaming PC. If you did, you would know that 90% of all games released on the PC DO in fact look better than their console counterparts. Hurray for no proprietary hardware!

"most of the developers haven't maxed out the graphics this gen."

Yes they have. In fact, they did that a few years ago. All they've been doing at this point is tweaking various parts of their engines within the bottleneck.

SPAM-FRITTER-1234819d ago

@90% of games not been miles ahead

if devs built a game for a £3,000 PC, PC games would be pushing out CG graphics. but would you throw all your money into making a game for people who use a £3,000 PC...i wouldnt.

make a game and design it to work on an avarage PC and you sell millions. make a game for a £3,000 rig and sell thousands.

a lot of PC games look console quality because devs can not go around making games that cost millions to only sell to the nvidia 680,i7 990 gamers.

also with PC devs seeing how well console games sell they have to make equal looking games to stay in business.

dark-hollow4820d ago

Who knows what exclusives the new Xbox will have?

Remember that the 360 had three good years of exclusives. Hopefully they continue making exclusives after that this time.

Gamer19824820d ago

like 5 websites have different specs now this is getting silly. Some say 8000 series like the orbis is rumoured to have (these are going for 700 though make more believable?). But 16 cores really??? I doubt it for one serious reason. PRICE! MS will want this to be market ready at launch which means they will want it to be cheaper than sonys console from day one like the 360 always was. That was there edge with 360 and will be with there next console. 16 cores will definitely push it over the edge.

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Activision Forces Adverts into Call of Duty Black Ops 6 and Warzone Loadouts

With the launch of Call of Duty Season 4, Activision quietly put adverts inside loadouts for Black Ops 6 and Warzone, sparking a backlash in the process.

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lukasmain16d ago

Putting Ads in a pay-to-play Premium title? Well done Microsoft. Well done /s This is really scummy.

jjb198115d ago

This game will never change because these sweatlords love buying up all the skins and bundles that become obsolete the following year. They're the ones perpetuating Activision's greed.

VenomUK15d ago

If Microsoft introduces adverts into its other games I hope it can do them without disrupting the immersion of the game world. So for example in the new Fable game it would look out of place if there was a billboard advertising Cadillacs.

A far better way to do it would be to have a wizard conjure a 'dream cloud' in front of your character and then in the cloud you can see the Cadillac car and see the text with price and availability and hear a booming sales voice promoting the car. That would work so well as it wouldn't be a billboard and completely, 100%, fit in with your character's adventuring in Albion. Doesn't that sound so much better?!

crazyCoconuts14d ago

@venom, or how about our of 100 farts in Albion, 1 of them has a Cadillac pop out

VenomUK14d ago

@crazyCoconuts That’s undeniably off-beat - but it could really work!

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Xbox's first-party handheld has been sidelined

Xbox's handheld ambitions continue unabated, but the focus is shifting towards improving Windows 11 for third-party handhelds — for now. The Xbox Series X 'Melrose' successor is safe, with development continuing at full pace.

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shadowT18d ago

Is there really a market for handhelds next to mobile?

Vits17d ago

If they run the same games as the main home console, then yeah, sure.
But if they need specially tailored games just for them? Probably not, unless there isn't a home console for comparison (see Switch).

RaidenBlack17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

I am kinda low-key happy this happened.
Dont want another Series S situation (games to be designed from 4 to 12TF scale and not 10 to 12TF).
Hope PS follows suit as well. Tablet SKU sharing with console for 10th gen, will just continue the cross gen -esque development/design phase/nature.
Want a proper 20+ only TF rasterized next-gen plz (+ frame-gen and the lot).
If anybody wants to continue the cross-gen, the Series S|X, PS5 will remain for that. And Switch 2, if you gotta go even lower in the TF range.

ABizzel117d ago

Yes and No. All of the PC handhelds combined have struggled to sell 7 million units, which would be a flop for any “console”. So the market is extremely niche because of price and target market (the informed hardcore gamer / casuals aren’t picking these up).

These handheld PCs are $500 or more, and offer at best Xbox Series S performance levels, so it’s best for MS specifically to just partner with ASUS, instead of investing millions if not billions.

Sony can make their own with custom AMD hardware due to their partnership, and stronger global brand for hardware. But even then it brings the question, of being a lower resolution PS5, and what does that mean for PS6 cross-gen (likely another generation where the first 3 - 4 years are just upgraded last-gen games).

Kosic17d ago

Imagine a Wii U style console, where the tablet doesn't rely on the console it's self, you download the game on the console under the TV and play in 4k glory, then you can remote play, get some unique game features if using both console and handheld in tandem. Then you can download the games in 720-1080p to play on the go, continue your progress, and continue on the TV when you get back.

Sony could get away with this due to exclusives, and that would be a reason for sales. Look at the portal.

I can picture seeing new hardware having some sort of GPU dock, where the handheld runs 1080p, and the dock has additional hardware to bring in 4k/60 specs.

I do think handheld gaming is going to be a strong future, imagine Nintendo release a new upgraded GPU dock for the Switch 3, every 2 years. More frames, sharper graphics on the same game for an extra £150 for a dock with a built in GPU chip. Console cycles doesn't have to be renewed, just the hardware can be improved by them reselling docks to us again and again with small/yearly upgrades like mobile phones.

GamerRN17d ago

Did you just imply that Sony can make a better stronger handheld than Microsoft? You do realize we are talking about Microsoft, the tech giant, right? If Microsoft can't make one that's cost effective, Sony definitely can't...

Brand and market share means nothing when you are a trillion dollar company

ABizzel116d ago

@GamerRN

It has nothing to do with what company can do it, or what company can spend.

For anyone taking a basic business class there is a term called ROI, and Xbox home consoles are selling at an all time low, meaning their ROI on a handheld is a risk that doesn’t make sense, even if they can afford it. Businesses are there to make money and it doesn’t make sene for MS to invest in a handheld that’s a companion device when their current home consoles they’ve spent 20 years working on are at an all time-low, when they can invest with little risk with what ASUS already has to offer.

This is why Sony can build a better device, because they have less risk involved, meaning they can invest more in their own product, and they already have an exclusive partnership with AMD on creating features and hardware. So in this specific case, YES Sony can built a better handheld, due to custom hardware, customer tools, low level APIs, compared to an off the shelf product running Windows or a Window Xbox kernel =.

TheEroica17d ago

I play steam deck primarily... Don't play consoles or mobile. The deck covers it all.

badz14917d ago

@shadowT

The Switch is a handheld, so will the Switch 2. what are you on about?

Cacabunga17d ago

To run native games offline? Anytime

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CrashMania18d ago

Funny to see the alt already damage controlling and having a meltdown with multiple accounts in the comments already.

Sad for MS if true, a dedicated handheld would go down a lot better than a rog ally 2 with an Xbox sticker on it I think.

crazyCoconuts17d ago

It couldn't have succeeded for a number of reasons. Now they've retreated to the Windows front and trying to keep that relevant for gaming. How long before Windows Central realizes there won't be a real console successor to Series X either?

Lightning7717d ago

Except there is. That project is reportedly full speed ahead.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

@Lighting77

So was the handheld until today...

Lightning7717d ago

@outside obviously not since they sidelined it and they wanna see how the Asus does. Are you saying they're gonna cancel the next console?

crazyCoconuts17d ago

@lightning - I'm admittedly trying to box you in here - Do you think the next Xbox console will have Steam on it?

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

@Lightning

Here we go with having to spell everything out.

If I told you yesterday that Xbox was going to sideline the handheld console what would your response have been? Probably something along the lines of "I doubt that since Phil has been talking about it for some time now"

My point is just because they are "full speed" ahead now does not mean that will not change in future. As we have seen with the handheld. Do you understand what I'm trying to say now?

Lightning7717d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Box me in? No you said the same thing you've always been saying for years now. Those are the rumors to have Steam integration.

What about it

If you told me they were gonna cancel it tomorrow it would nothing more than fanboy talking points. I only wait for credible sources not what someone else says.

Also this is the handheld not a full blown new console. The Asus is yet to release and they're waiting to see how that thing does. Critical thinking is my strong suit you should try it some time if you can. But Ok cool well you hang your hat on that I guess. Main New console is gonna get cancelled even though the handheld is a different marketing device than the main the console itself.

__y2jb17d ago

I think there is a 75% chance there will not be another Xbox. There is zero reason to buy one now. No way it can possibly sell more than 10m units after Xbox went third party.

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BLow17d ago

That's what they do. Goalposts shift like the wind.

I'm really confused on why they are making a "first party" device and also have a Rog Ally with their sticker on it. Make this make sense. How is their own device going to be any different?

Your console doesn't sell and they expect a handheld to?

RaidenBlack17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

The Rog Ally one is gen agnostic ... as you deciphered, it was to be the updated Rog Ally but just with Xbox branding. PC handheld with some Xbox features.
The handheld Xbox is/was supposed to be sharing the same gen/ecosystem with the next-gen (10th gen) Xbox. Think Series S but handheld ... it'll run the Xbox OS or whatever the next Xbox will run.
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As for anybody wondering/confused why MS is doing another Xbox console ... coz mainly its the 10th gen of home consoles next, which started wayy back in 1972 for the 1st gen. And MS wanna be part in it, in the 10th anniversary gen of consoles. If they gotta bow out, they can't do that at 9th i.e just before 10th. They wanna stick around till the 10th or the X-th gen and check what the fuss happens.

Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago

Curious as to what excuses the spam was saying. Because prior to this news, the Xbox handheld was used as proof that Xbox is still committed to the hardware space. This handheld being scraped is not a good sign...

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Outside_ofthe_Box17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

@Spam
You can replace scrapped with pushed back if you like. It's not a good sign either way.

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1Victor17d ago

asq3= obscured: “ What’s your source on the handheld being scrapped? “
Read the article from Microsoft own website and one of your favorite quotations site when it’s something bad about Sony.
Oh BTW good luck with your next SPAM account.

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FTC drops case against Microsoft’s Activision Blizzard deal

The FTC has officially dropped its case against Microsoft’s acquisition of Activision Blizzard.

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slate9125d ago

The sweet smell of tax dollars burning

Killa7824d ago

From the unemployment this deal caused, no doubt.

Obscure_Observer24d ago

"The sweet smell of tax dollars burning"

They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start. And yet, still, they´d decided to go ahead and double down on their bs to bleed the taxpayer even more.

dveio24d ago

The IRS demands 29bn USD in not paid taxes from Microsoft.

If we're talking bleeding.

1Victor24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

@slate: “ The sweet smell of tax dollars burning “

The smell of political donations endorsements under the table.
There I fixed it it for you
We all knew Microsoft plan of “10 years of all systems publishing “ and some of its supporters happy that after all the games would be “exclusive to Xbox “ now that things have changed and Microsoft got humbled by the lost of money from CoD going down from OVER A BILLI🤑N to
MILLI😩NS the sales failing of games that would released on PlayStation and be forced by INVESTORS asking for their M🤑NEY to grow faster than the next 10 years it is obvious that it would be a waste of money to continue this litigation.
Edit:@obscured: “ They never stood a chance. It was a lost cause from the start “

Same as your grievance stages.
Have you passed the bargaining stage yet ? Or are you still on the anger stage 🤣

slate9124d ago

I knew my singe bipartisan sentence would bring out the crazies. Thanks for the wall

Astrokis24d ago

Not sure if I’m disturbed or entertained but either way I hope you are alright

OtterX25d ago

I think they're convinced now that MS won't (and can't) withhold releases from conpeting platforms. MS on the street corner now like, "Who wants a taste?!"

PhillyDonJawn24d ago

I wont be too sure of that. Gotta wait and see till after these deals expire

OtterX24d ago

That's how it always starts, "I'll just work this street corner for a short while until I get caught up on my bills..."

Tacoboto24d ago

Oh yeah, they're totally gonna make Xbox exclusives again, with the hardware they're totally committed to selling and making available lol

raWfodog24d ago

As far as I'm aware, the only 'deal' that was discussed was for Call of Duty. Xbox had no obligation to make any of their other games multiplatform. They did that of their own accord.

OtterX24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

**btw, I'm talking about street food vendors, just in case there's any confusion!

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Lightning7724d ago (Edited 24d ago )

I've seen videos and talk a online speculating MS long game. Some think that MS multiplat move is use to appease the FTC so they can buy more and is somehow a move that could get Sony to open up their platform. In other words them going third party and letting their games go everywhere. MS possible scheme and ulterior motives, speculated by Jeff Grubb is that putting Xbox store on PS via regulation Which would hurt PS buissness very badly because that 30% cut would be even less or not a cut at all. MS buys more because they're "playing nice" by opening up its platform to Epic store and steam which would force Apple and Sony to open up their ecosystem to other stores like MS.

If that's the case that'll mean as I said before, PS fans buying Cod on PS via MS store would give 100% maybe even 90% of the money being pocketed by MS while Sony's store front wanes when it comes to third party because guess what? MS is buying more third party and preying off the extreme ignorance of the FTC. Manipulation of the FTC and MS overtaking the PS store and customers

My thing is this. I know it's a opinion and speculation but why does Sony have to open up its store or force them to go multiplat? If they still believe in selling their freakin console then let them do it. If they want to provide the best games and the best content for its fans then let them do it!? Why because the competition is trash at selling games and consoles for 14 years now Sony has to change? MS using the ignorance of the FTC to overtake gaming as we know it?

Again it's just talk and opinion but man this seems very, very possible imo.

dveio24d ago

Well, at the time, I actually did think the FTC and CMA did a poor job in court. But also the judge.

Having said that - it is what it is.

If 75bn mergers in any industry ain't a threshold to deny them, then I don't know what is.

As far as your thoughts about other 3rd parties getting taken over in the future go:

I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher.

But smaller studios ... maybe.

However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft.

That isn't to say an announcement of such couldn't drop on Monday already. Because we today know that Microsoft had approached a plethora of other studios in 2018 to 2021, such as IOI, CD Project, etc.

We'll see. And we can't do anything about it. It's up to trade commissions and then probably courts to decide.

Lightning7724d ago (Edited 24d ago )

"I think publisher buyouts are off the list now. I think it would be reeeeally difficult for MS to win another trial try taking over any other publisher."

That's the thing MS is ticking all the boxes by not have anything be exclusive so the CMA/FTC see that they're doing "fair practice" in games and content distribution. Which technically greenlits more aquisions or it makes it easier for acquisitions because MS is a mega publisher now.

"However, right now I can't see studios out there advocating for a buyout from Microsoft."

Hopefully not but them going multiplat could entice Studios to join MS because nothing is not longer exclusive which means more money for them, studio and teams.

We can't do nothing about it but Sony can. They can block xbox games on their console (lose that 30% cut) but Sony won't do that because that's money that will be lost and Sony runs a buissness. That's the only way to hurt or slow down Xbox.

I'm probably over thinking it as I do these things but it's something we shouldn't just ignore and be weary of MS motives here. I'm keeping an eye on them.

Rancegamerx24d ago

The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up. Microsoft’s multiplatform approach is 100% due to past failures and its laughable position in the gaming industry. Their best attempt was a fluke and a lie, brought on by Sony’s missteps and a poorly made machine that broke down too often.

Sony would never allow themselves to be "forced" to do anything; they control their platform and storefront perfectly fine without the need or desire to add an unnecessary Microsoft storefront. Even if, by some flaw on Sony’s part, Microsoft were able to introduce its store on PlayStation, Sony would adapt rather than collapse. Digital storefront competition already exists (Steam, Epic Games Store, Xbox Store), and PlayStation’s business won’t suddenly "wane."

Also, regulators like the FTC don’t operate on ignorance—they actively assess market behavior to prevent monopolies. Microsoft isn’t secretly overtaking gaming with some ultimate scheme. The industry might be changing or shifting (for the worse, in my opinion), but Sony will continue evolving based on market trends, not because of alleged schemes.

Gaming isn’t about one company "playing nice" or another being "forced" to change—it’s about making money with games, something Microsoft has yet to achieve in 25+ years.

Lightning7724d ago

"The idea that Microsoft is manipulating the FTC and forcing Sony to open its platform is silly and has no evidence to back it up."

That's why I said it was all speculation that's what Jeff Grubb opinion. I made that clear several times. You know what's funny? When Jim was in court ppl got mad at the FTC for protecting Jim Ryan instead of the consumer. Maybe he was right to worry about his business. Now look Releasing Xbox games on PS keeps MS studio an a float. Now Xbox games are all over PS now. Maybe Jim was onto something.

MS is still competing with Sony just in a very different way. The FTC back down mainly means they can buy more and MS next steps can proceed. We'll have to see what happens in the future but I wouldn't be so sure on your stance.

InUrFoxHole24d ago

@Lightning77
MS putting games everywhere is the most consumer friendly thing I've seen a game company do.

dveio24d ago

@InUrFox

What does "putting everywhere" actually mean?

This book has so many pages.

• Xbox was dying in revenue
• Regulators put a 10 year deal on CoD
• Microsoft had to give away the streaming
• Spencer himself only offered 3 yrs initially

And most importantly

• Again, Xbox was dying in revenue

Xbox have the benefit of their actual financial situation giving regulators and courts the impression they release games everywhere, what they actually do.

But for reasons they can't be proven guilty of anything in court.

I'm not judging, it's just what it is.

IF the Series generation would have developed differently and was much more successful, I don't hesitate any second to believe in what Spencer had originally planned to do:

• Make everything Xbox exclusive
• We today know that Spencer had also approached Sega, From Software, CD Project, Nintendo, and even Valve was on their list of buyouts.

MS are playing a card here everyone knows why they are doing it.

Putting Doom "everywhere", which even was it already before it got bought, ain't a MS thing.

It would had hurt them in many ways if they'd put it exclusively to Xbox.

But, no matter what - it is what it is.

Xbox bought themselves back into the game. And I think many people just don't have very fond feelings towards this behaviour, wether on corporate nor private levels.

Let's see how they'll run with it.

In 2030, but most importantly after regulations will have expired we will learn better.

Reaper22_24d ago (Edited 24d ago )

Seemed like a lost cause anyway. Microsoft gambled and it paid off big time. That's what you call a big boss move. Sony played a huge part in the success of that acquisition.

wesnytsfs24d ago

Bout time. Pointless from the start.

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