Yep, I don't think many people still grasp at how large Sony's first party development has grown since last gen.
Last gen you had 125+ million people from around the world buy PS2s for Sony's combination of first party + third party games.
This gen you have the PS3 that has virtually every one of those first party + third party games with the addition of an insane amount of new exclusive first party games.
The PS3 has of course long passed the 360 in Japan. And the PS3 now has passed the 360 across most of Europe other than the UK in just nine months. So by the start of 2008 the 360 is only going to be leading in installed base in just NA, and the UK, and maybe a few random minor countries.
Third party developers are looking at two consoles:
The PS3:
* Selling well in all three major console regions
* Most powerful console by a huge margin: Killzone 2, GT, Uncharted, etc
* Next gen storage - 25/50 gig discs
* Rock solid reliable console
* Open and developer friendly online system - Epic/Unreal, NCsoft games, etc.
vs.
360:
* Dead in two of the three major console regions
* Weak and difficult to use graphics hardware - idiotic too small for 720p 10megs of EDRAM setup forcing developers to waste time writing tile based renderers or just skipping having decent AA in their 360 games
* Gimped storage format that is 1.5 gigs smaller than last gen
* Unprecedented hardware failure rates
* Closed and developer hostile online network - Epic is having to waste a half a year rewriting UT just to work with Microsoft's online network
I have a PS3. It is beating the XB360 in two regions. The XB360 is far from dead in the European region. It is actually quite on par with PS3 sales in Europe. I think the PS3 will win in two regions, and it will be a tie in NA... but the XB360 have made great gains this generation.
In Japan it is dead. In NA it is leading. In Europe it is competitive. Don't act like a frustrated drag queen.
EDIT: @TheMART. some of the games you mentioned are first party titles. if you noticed games like rachet and clan, when that came out people were going crazy for it. so i think its better to show your product now and get the consumer's attention.
People were going crazy over Ratchet & Clank and Uncharted...
Is that why Uncharted only moved 117k in sales? And R&C didn't sold a lot also?
EDIT
To Tanod (below)
So why did Sony need to drop the price of the PS3 in Europe within 6 months from 600 to 400 Euro? Because the PS3 didn't sold like they expected.
Why don't PS3 owners buy games then?
PS3 attach rate @ launch: 1.5 game per unit PS3 attach rate now: 3.6 games per unit
360 attach rate @ launch: 4.5 games per unit 360 attach rate now: 6.6 games per unit
The PS3 isn't doing well at all. Sorry to burst your bubble. Again.
Ucharted outselling a 360 game? Hahaha come on. Halo 3 sold 5 mln. copies in a few months. Gears of War sold over 5 mln. copies. Even Mass Effect outsells Uncharted.
The 360 has been on the market for roughly twice as long as the PS3.
Thanks for showing that the PS3 has a somewhat larger attach rate than the 360 even with your inane Xbot numbers.
The PS3,Wii,360 all have roughly the same attach rates unless you are using vgchartz fanboy fantasy land numbers.
The problem for the Wii though is that even though it does have roughly the same attach rate as the PS3 and 360, it is 90 percent first party Nintendo published titles.
I don't get it. When the games mentioned will release in 2008, why is it now the time to buy a PS3?
It would be smarter to wait till those games release (for example MGS4, GT5, KZ2, God of War 3 and Little Big Planet about all release at the end of 2008), there is a big chance the PS3 price has dropped to somewhere between 200 and 300 Euro/Dollar, you get a rumble controller with the package, Home will be there finally and you can get it in white.
After all that hype with bad customer service, unreliable machine, noisy fan, RRoD, pay for online service, pay for HDDVD expansion when HDDVD figure are dropping.
PS3 are doing well at the moment. There are more games out than what you think. If you dont have PS3 WHY BOTHER POSTING?
all the things you mentioned have been public knowledge but yet it hasnt stopped people from going out and buy the system. the reason for that is GAMES. games that are currently out are driving the console sales not games that will be out.
people were saying its stupid for MS to only show this years lineup i mean look at the console sales do people still think it was a bad idea?
Wrong. All 360's that have a MFR date of October and up, have 65nm chipset and the extra heatsink. No problems of overheating. It has the best gaming experience and a 3 year warranty. Buying a 360 for a gamer is the best move now. A PS3 maybe next Christmas. When the promissed games aren't delayed any further to 2009.
"If you dont have PS3 WHY BOTHER POSTING?"
Because this video saying buy it now and mentions the games for 2008 is stupid, as mentioned above. Get rumble, a lower price and the games when you buy it the 2nd half of 2008. Simple as that.
@TheMart: Agreed 100% +bubbles exactly what i wanted to comment. The damn list of games has been shown since E3 2005 and after 3 years most of the games are nowhere to be seen. MGS, GT, FF all are getting delayed and maybe even land up in 2009 so why the hell would anyone pay $500 to play ps2 games or watch BD movies? When they can pick up 360 at lot less and play great line up of games.
What do u mean alot less? the standard and playable Xbox 360 is selling at 350, which is only 50 dollars than PS3. It makes all sense to pay the extra 50 bucks for the solid and superior machine... Well, unless you are a cow or a mule then ya you'll probably get a last gen 360..
If I was a developer I would not be exclusive and I sure as hell would get on a system where I could sell some games 360 but I agree you should buy one when those games come out and I dont know be able to play them. This is just an ad to get people to buy PS3's so if you have one why are you posting.
sony fans can do all the likke the 360 is kicking sony ass u can type all u wamnt to soothe urself but at the end of the day 360 is owning ps3 hahaha why even replay to this sony kids hahaha they are crying so they get on the net mgs4 old/tekken 5 garabge/ther eno game in 2008 that good coming out for sony ps3
if it wasn't for your avatar, and your constant anti-Sony postings, this would be considered a very valid and un-biased post. I agree with you. With all their big IP's coming next year there really is no reason to rush out and buy a PS3 now. Next year will be a different story.
BTW, I'm not so sure you're right about the 360 overheating problem being solved. And having to fork over 50 bucks right out the box to even play with your friends online is still a rip off.
Alan Wake Gears of War 2 Too Human Splinter Cell: Conviction Lost Odyssey GTA IV the complete story incl. 2 episodic downloads Left 4 Dead Fable 2 Fallout 3 (development on 360) Huxley (40 gamers online in Resistance? What about 5.000 in a city/area and 100 vs 100 battles?) Ninja Gaiden 2
Sorry, you failed. Any game the PS3 would have, the 360 at least has one alternative.
was the "a" too big a word for you to use? and you call other people retards. I bought a PS3 and have now confirmed it is a waste of money. I seriously dont know what you fanboys are on about, the games on 360 are both better and more plentiful. I would love to see a must have title so I could justify this bluray player. I played uncharted and it is an awsome game but very little replay value there so I sold it. now I have only one game and I dont think i will be ejecting COD4 on the 360 for a few months. All multiplats are gonna be on my 360 and only exclusive PS3 games if they ever get released will make it to my PS3 if i dont sell it on craigslist first.
Well that's fanboism in a nutshell. Insecurity. People who secretly wish they had the other console as well and can't afford it, so they bash and hope the other fails, because they don't want to be missing out on something they can't afford.
Show me someone who can afford all 3 systems, and I'll show you an unbiased person who is enjoying themselves. Show me an insecure person with one console, I'll show you a fanboi. Then, a person with one console and a good attitude, not a fanboi...and enjoying themselves.
And no, I'm not talking about just 360 owners. The Wii and PS3 fanboism is ridiculous here also. (although in my observation, 360 fanboism is the worst and the most widespread.)
And particularly on this site. Xbot fanboism and attempts at creating flamefests are started on a daily basis here. What is you people's problem? Are you that insecure? Are you the much of a trollish human being? Are you that broke?
Grow up. And spend your time playing your godsent 360 that you are so loyal to instead of talking about and looking up articles on PS3 to start crap. You are so obviously jealous. And that goes to some of you others with other consoles.
I own only a PS3.
I rarely look at articles on 360 or Wii. I don't need to. And they don't need my comments.
I hardly ever comment in 360 or hd dvd articles for that same reason. Unless it interest me of course. Like lost oddessey. When it comes to that game I do comment on occasion because it was one of the only games I actually wanted on 360.
It does get tiresome when people that don't even HAVE a console like to attempt to find articles just to try to make the console look bad. There are quite a few of them but I won't mention any names
YOU CANT ARGUE WITH A XFAG THEY ARE STUPID THEY ONLY REACHED 4TH GRADE IN SCHOOL BEFORE DROPPING OUT TO PLAY GALO ITS SAD REALLY SONY HAS BEEN IN THE VIDEO GAME INDUSTRY FOR 15 YEARS AND JUST BECAUSE A NEW CHALLENGER STEPS INTO THE RING WITH SONY THE XTARDS SIDES WITH THEM AND ALWAYS BASHES THE PLAYSTATION BRAND ITS PITIFUL AND ITS NOT WORTH SAYING ANYTHING OVER ANYMORE
*Sigh* Am I the only one bored of the constant console bashing on the boards?
Anyway 2008 looks to be a great year for Playstation 3 owners, I hear the console "has no games" a lot funny that because there are so many games I want to get for Playstation 3 I can hardly afford them all.
With Grand Theft Auto IV, Metal Gear Solid 4, Silent Hill V (possibly), Killzone 2 next year is going to be awesome. Although seriously when Grand Theft Auto IV finally releases I doubt I will be playing anything else for AGES.
I was just taking a break from some marathon WarHawk wig-splitting. I must say dayum, because TANOD - you outdid yourself with #6.4. I wasn't even going to comment, but that post was just fuccin' Nuclear. I thought my monitor was going to explode or invoke spirits or something.
That was Epic. Rock on.
P.S. - I love my PS3's & all of that *wonderful 3rd party support! 8D
was impatient waiting for the ps3 release so said why not ( im a gamer not a fanboy )got 3 games tenchu gears and forza . i liked them yes as it was a step above the ps2 which was a system i loved . initially got the ps3 as a blu ray player because with being in the studio recording a lot i didnt have much time for gaming (never went gold with xbox 360 for same reason).got 3 games at launch with ps3 cod3 resistance and motorstorm. all 3 of these games stood up with anything id already played on the xbox. over the past year i have noticed the quality of games are getting better for both systems but the ps3 is starting to outshine the 360.my xbox now has since rrod on me but to be honest the more im seeing of the ps3 the less i care for the 360.yes i am a sony fan i like their games - and after what was the success of their previous 2 consoles i dont get how people can think this will be any less a success.seems to me that xbots will say anything to bring down ps3. all i can say to maybe 1st time buyers is dont be suckered into buying a system that has a defective rate like xbox has , it has good games but system is truly junk.anyway 3rd party support is getting stronger and from mid 2008 onward i doubt it will even be an issue, but to be honest i think most people bought a sony system to play 1st and 2nd party games on it not gonna list them you being a sony fan like myself will know what is coming .you maddens seem to be one of the few level headed ps3 fans in here and bring up some good valid points so have a bubble as it seems your dropping the past while . happy christmas and happy gaming !!!!
You sound dumber than Fart (at least he explains even though without success why he hates sony). Come out with something more original, or are you too stupid to speak?
line up man, 2008 is gonna be a killer year
i've downloaded the WMV files off gametrailers. It WORKS on PS3!
There are actually two TV Spots to enjoy. ;)
I don't get it. When the games mentioned will release in 2008, why is it now the time to buy a PS3?
It would be smarter to wait till those games release (for example MGS4, GT5, KZ2, God of War 3 and Little Big Planet about all release at the end of 2008), there is a big chance the PS3 price has dropped to somewhere between 200 and 300 Euro/Dollar, you get a rumble controller with the package, Home will be there finally and you can get it in white.
Buying it now would be pretty stupid
2008 is Ps3's year then the year after we got final fantasy, it's all over we won
The PS2 has reached 125-130 million worldwide with the single greatest library of games ever for a console:
Final Fantasy
Gran Turismo
Metal Gear Solid
Team ICO Games
Ratchet and Clank
Killzone
Jak and Daxster
SOCOM
Sly Cooper
...
As those gamers upgrade to 1080p TVs over the next five years wonder which console they will be buying...